Hello you savages. Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - chriswillx.com/books/ Here's the timestamps: 00:00 Johann’s Weight Loss 05:11 Is This Any Different to Previous Pills? 11:29 How Common Are Weight Loss Drugs? 15:10 Why Society Has Become More Obese 21:29 Taking Away the Pleasure of Good Food 30:19 Why Not Just Diet & Exercise? 38:05 Most People Are in an Unfair Fight 43:10 How the Drugs Impact Other Behaviours 47:17 Main Risks of Taking These Drugs 52:38 How Weight Loss Drugs Impact Muscle Mass 55:04 Our Appearance-Obsessed World 1:03:53 Johann’s Thoughts After Writing the Book 1:10:52 Where to Find Johann

If i could afford it, i would take it in a heartbeat. I don’t care what the down side is… that is how i have suffered with my weight my ENTIRE life. Now in menopause, I’m trying to lose an additional 30 pounds, and I eat very clean and am very active. It is a living hell to be ruled by food.

In 2011, Hari was suspended from The Independent and later resigned, after admitting to plagiarism and fabrications dating back to 2001 and making malicious edits to the Wikipedia pages of journalists who had criticised his conduct.[1][2] He has since written books on the topics of depression, the war on drugs, the effect of technology on attention span, and anti-obesity medication which have attracted criticism for inaccuracies and misrepresentation.

Im really struggling with this episode & weight loss drugs in general. I have been out of shape many times in my life, but I learned discipline and willpower in this domain of life to overcome this. I didn't always have strong dicipline/willpower, its something that I intentionally trained. I really dont think im special at all. I just learned about healthy habits and, over the course of several years, worked on my discipline and slowly implemented healthy habits into my life. I have so much empathy for people struggling with their weight, and I do think drugs like Ozempic could be a great intervention in some situations, but I really struggle to believe that I and others who maintain a healthy lifestyle are somehow special or have some other worldly will power that obese people dont have. I know many obese people who are very hard working and disciplined in other domains of life. I believe that the vast majority of people have the capacity to live a healthy life if proper education about food, and the reasons why one may be overeating/living a sedentary lifestyle is addressed on a personal level, as well as conciously worked on by the individual over the course of several years. I used to eat terriblely, play video games until 4 am, get 2 hours of sleep, miss all my classes, and hardly exercise. I did that for a long time and just worked slowly to build my discipline and change my habits one at a time. Im willing to believe that there are genetic compenants that make this significantly more difficult for some individuals. I for example have terrible Insomnia, and always have and likely always will. Most of my life slept 2-4 hours a night, but now I sleep 6-9 hours a night. It is such a problem that I have to structure my entire day around optimizing for sleep, or it wont happen. It woukd be very easy to take a pill, but that would likely degrade my health, so Instead I do all of the sleep protocols from Dr. Mathew Walker and i can sleep reasonably well now. IDK MAN.

What if the amount the food you eat reflects the nutrients the body needs to fill the reserves and operate? Satiety postpones because you don't get enough from the processed foods...so if you take a drug that mimics satiety and keep eating crap, cutting the quantity, it will surely end well

It's so unbelievably wild to me that we go through this two-step process of 1) eating hyper-processed, dogshit modern food and becoming obese, then 2) using a highly-advanced modern pharmaceutical product to cure the problems from step 1. Instead, you can just take 0 steps, and eat what a normal evolutionary human would have eaten 50,000 years ago. Meat, fruits, veggies. Maybe throw in some whole grains. Our further divergence from our evolutionary past is a huge problem.

This isn't going to end well.

Chris, please get Tyna Moore on your show to discuss this topic more in depth.

I am almost 72 and never thought I would live this long. I prefer fighting it with diet and exercise.

Ozempic hides health issues that poor diet might initially display as weight gain, it does’t stop people being malnourished, even if they do lose weight, and the vast, vast, vast number of people who exercise a bit more and eat a bit healthier, do lose weight. Never mind that this is seriously harming those needing the drug for its actual purpose of helping those with diabetes.

I've always liked Johann and have bought all his books since his first appearance on the podcast years ago. He's the only one who can make lifetime dependency on a pharmaceutical sound like a plausible solution to our present alimentary hellscape.

Best case scenario a generation or two of people taking these drugs will put the junk food companys out of business and maybe people will have healthy food available to them. I don't mind that path.

We actually do know why people seem to gain the weight back after dieting… It’s because they can’t stick to the lifestyle necessary, and will power isn’t a good way to stick to something. Instead, what you need to do is pick a lifestyle you ENJOY and is SUSTAINABLE.

I've been following Johann Hari since his Lost Connections book. I clicked on this video because I didn't believe this was the same guy based on the thumbnail image...lol I was like , "Wait, is there another Johann Hari??"...lol I appreciate his honestly, curiosity and vulnerability. If you come from a family like his, like I do (also raised by my mom and grandma), you get it. I can see people on here who are skeptical, but when you've struggled with your weight your entire life, these GLP-1 drugs are a life saver, both figuratively and literally.

I've lost 60 pounds over the last 2-3 years.... But I've been following the themes of health and wellness that are consistent across the most reliable platforms (including this one). I've also kept it at a sustainable level. Any major changes I've made have been done slowly and I do not exhaust myself in the gym. This followed getting clean and sober 3 1/2 years ago. Maybe getting sober gave me the faculties to make large changes in my life. 🤷 For perspective, at 41 years old I was 5'11" and 260 pounds... I just dropped below 200. I guess my point is that 2 lb lighter seems outrageous on a 2-year diet.

I took it, it’s both good and horrible, I was 110-120 and even 90 lbs , but recently weighed 150lbs, and I’m short, so I was considered fat. I was rushed to the hospital after three months of taking it. It cause gall stones. I’m a person who walk and run, but eating too much. I noticed my skin all over lost muscle tone and didn’t look right. I stopped and gained 10 lbs within 2 weeks. I have managed to lose it on my own, so this is interesting.

There is no way in hell Ozempic, and drugs like it, don't have horrific long-term side effects. Especially for people who take it for long periods of time.

It felt like I was watching infomercial for Ozempic

So, I'm dubious about Johann Hari, due to his previous issues with plagiarism. I'm listening to the podcast regardless with an open mind, but I will point out that Jay Rayner has completely refuted that he has ever taken Ozempic, so I would definitely say to take all of this with a grain of salt

As a nurse, ive taken care of too many people whos GI systems become paralyzed from this drug. Im still shocked that people choose to take it.

Absolutely fantastic guest. Hope he is invited again soon talking about his take on the War on Drugs and his take on antidepressants.

God. Thank you Chris. I'm 45 with morbid obesity for 40 years. I have a BMI of 63 weighing in at 183kg. I have PTSD from years of yoyo-dieting, bullying, body dysmorphia, binging, purging, starving myself in attempts to lose weight. I don't want bariatric surgery for obvious reasons. I will be using Ozempic soon with a doctor's prescription. I've been following you for nearly a year even though I don't fill out the typical physical demographics of your followers. One day I would like to have a healthy relationship with my "bio/psycho/social" situation; my body and my life. Even after 40 years I have not given up hope. My undying appreciation go to people like you for turning up to make these awesome podcasts. Thank you for continuing to believe in me❤😊

Johan has been on every KZfaq "talkshow"/podcast. And says the same. Exactly the same. It really comes to who is the best host on these podcasts

A routine like Carnivore + 10K steps per day should be able to help most people see great results with regards to losing weight right? I've been fit since I was 14 (14%-12% bodyfat) so I dont fully understand the struggle of losing weight. But taking a drug that has such a huge impact on your body and behavior just on a basic principles perspective cannot be a good idea for the long run, right?

So, in summary, GLP-01 will be a key component in the composition of ‘Soma’. Horrifying.

Great guest! I always appreciate the host who doesn't take over the conversation and let's the guest speak.

Although I enjoyed listening to a perspective that usually wouldn’t show up in my feed, I do wish this guest was a bit less biased. It was pretty clear that this conversation wasn’t in the middle.

Chris is gonna hate most of these useless negative comments. This was a really balanced take on the pros & cons, if it felt like a sales pitch to you you weren't listening to the parts where he outlines the negatives.

Something we aren't talking about is the additional societal issues, such as women in the workplace and work outside of home for all in Offices. There is no time to cook fresh for all in family. Also, the impact of the pill for women in hormonal balance.

As someone with BED, I am envious of those that used these drugs to address the disorder. At this point I'm dealing with sunken cost after "getting in shape" the "hard" way and would only take it if I regained the 60 lbs I lost.

I have type 2 diabetes and all the people taking it for weight loss now it’s very hard to get my medicine 😊

Really enjoyed the conversation, though have a lot to think and say about it, its was indeed a brilliant talk. Noted the amount of swearing by Johann, and I love him for being so true to his talking nature! Well done Chris for such unique and intriguing questions.

It has been a game changer for me

I enjoyed this interview and I feel like there were many interesting and challenging parts to it but the one bit that really, really stuck out to me was, "this is an artificial solution to an artificial problem." Yeah, no kidding. He said it himself, the state of food today is unrecognizable to what people two generations back would even call food and it is getting worse. This wasn't some natural phenomenon due to changing climates or shortages of food or anything like that. Corporations saw money to be made by - as he said - "manufacturing" food, regardless of the harm their products ended up causing. This is a greed problem. This is a society problem. This is not a biology problem. I know very well what being obese can do to a person and how it not only can shorten their life expectancy but rob them of so much more. In a situation like that, someone telling an obese person with type 1 or type 2 diabetes to "just go on a diet" or "use some self-control" is like telling a house fire it needs to turn off the stove. They are kind of past that point and something needs to be done and done quickly. For them, I see this as an emergency measure that even with any negatives - and there always, ALWAYS negatives with drugs like this - the pros likely do outweigh the cons. But so many of these conversations just stop there and that isn't really solving anything. It is always about the symptoms and never about the real disease. And why is that? We all know the answer. I don't even have to say it. For people who need this kind of treatment to drastically and quickly improve their health or face terrible medical consequences, I am all in favor of it. But for those who want it for nothing more than vanity... I do not believe in outcomes without cost, actions without consequences. The entirety of life and existence is nothing but a system that has said in every possible way - action and reaction, behavior and consequence. Modern society has utterly rejected that basic principle - this is literally a pill you can take in order to try and subvert that truth. There is always a cost to pay. Whatever it is they'll always try to make a pill for that, too.

GREAT podcast!! Nice to see you did not feel obligated to shame the author but actually listened and encouraged him to freely share and be transparent. I just saw a podcast that did shame him, boxed him in a corner and was punched in the gut a couple of times!! This is a controversial subject and it can be rather reactive for many people. Really nice job Chris Williamson.

95%+ people who say they can't lose weight, can but won't. Like he said, he could lose the weight but he always put it back on. I hate putting people who actually can't lose weight, and people who choose not to, in the same category. Either way if you want to take the risks of a new drug like this so that you can avoid eating properly and exercising an adequate amount as a perpetual habit, all the more power to you.

High-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), also known as glucose-fructose, isoglucose and glucose-fructose syrup,[1][2] is a sweetener made from corn starch. As in the production of conventional corn syrup, the starch is broken down into glucose by enzymes. To make HFCS, the corn syrup is further processed by D-xylose isomerase to convert some of its glucose into fructose. HFCS was first marketed in the early 1970s by the Clinton Corn Processing Company, together with the Japanese Agency of Industrial Science and Technology, where the enzyme was discovered in 1965.[3]: 5

I think we need to consign BMI to the history books... mine is 37.9 (so considered very much obese) but my A1c measure is 5.3, despite my GP assuming and almost starting to treat me as a type two diabetic. People can be large without being unhealthy. The state of the NHS in the UK is abysmal. Instead of taking a few extra simple measurements we should look at someone and assume by that visual inspection what they need.

Johann is absolutely efective on his arguments, his book about focus changed my perspective

Chris is great at breathlessly listening to his guest. No interruptions.

The food we eat has very little nutritional value. Even the produce and meat are depleted because the soil is not balanced and the animals are fed junk. Our bodies are craving what they need, which used to mean food. Now where can we get nutrition?

This guy is actually a spokesperson for O . Just listen to him..

I have not read all the comments so this may have been stated already. The answer is to clean up the highly processed junk we call food and get back to whole real food.

Best discussion I've heard, on ANY topic, this year. Great interview and discussion. Thank you.

Mounjaro can radically change your diet. I’m eating Whole Foods lots of organic vegetables this week I added purple sweet potatoes and that was a treat. Mounjaro can completely change you I’m in the pool doing water aerobics or swimming 9 hrs this week, I was stationary before. I burned 7400 calories this week on top of my normal crunching tdee weight loss goals. My appetite hasn’t changed. I’m still hungry I just refrain during fasting hours.

You’re right Joel, I never thought of the weight loss, I was just thinking about the addiction aspect. I did not realize that it had such a strong effect on addiction and compulsive behaviors.

An average person relying on Ozempic to lose weight rather than improving his or her lifestyle, and doing the work to be healthier, is really off-putting to me as a personality trait. I’m finally starting to lose weight after years of various attempts, just be cooking more of my meals, increasing my veg and protein intake, and walking a little more. The formula is simple for most people.

great timing, I just finished Magic Pill.

Like all good interviewers, Chris stays out of the way for most of this and lets the guest speak; much appreciated.

I think mounjaro and ozempic are great, definitely much better then getting surgery!

This was a riveting episode. I've been fat as far back as I can remember, so I can not only relate, but empathize. Over the past few years, the "health issues" are popping up. So, I am going to ask my doctor about these drugs. Somehow, it feels like a letdown because I've always believed that I should be able to overcome this problem. I never have.

I get the considers but this is an easy choice for those who medically need it. Changing the food system isn’t going to happen overnight. Unfortunately u have to fend for yourself.

This ain’t rocket science the dude was literally pounding KFC 🤦🏼‍♂️

I know a bunch of people will just bitch and moan and say it's BS but I personally found this informative and glad to have the information. I probably won't ever try it but thankful for the information on all the subjects.

Chris is exceptionally sharp and lucid in this episode. Not sure why but whatever he’s doing created an even sharper episode on the whole. Even though I’m a huge fan this episode seems markedly more excellent.

Oh dear. Hari has been called out for plagiarism, was wrong about depression, and is basically wrong about this too, or at least trying to drum up a scare while admitting the drug was good for him and for a vast majority of people currently suffering with obesity. Jay Rayner, for example, has already gone on record that he never took Ozempic, he just once wrote a column explaining why it didn't interest him. This particular "inaccuracy" is repeated at about 23:50 in this interview.

Obesity and being overweight is so bad, there is no way these drugs are worst than being obese

Tirzepetide has changed lives for those who never feel full or have constant food chatter in their heads. It isn’t a fix-all but gives you a window to develop the habits for health

I cuss a lot. Watching this podcast episode convinced me to try to stop.

What happens when you walk in the dark , you can't see where your going , so more than likely you are going to bump into something that can hurt you . And that is the problem there's not enough light , to see where your going .

Very good journalism. Well done 👏 👏

Awesome interview. Very informative.

SUCH INTERESTING DISCUSSION - I love hearing his opionoin as a NON doctor and actual user, this gave such good insight and jut literaally literally made this epsiode SOOooooOOOOOOOoooo goooodddddddd

I feel like the people who are commenting on here seem like fat shamers. Diet & exercise do work for some people. I have battled my weight my whole life. Dieted & lost 15 lbs at a time only to gain it back. I don’t say I never eat bad but I’m not a glutton. I gain really easy. There are some people who can eat whatever & not gain. My husband is a type 2 diabetic. Most type two diabetics are diagnosed bc of lifestyle. He was offered Ozempic by his dr years ago but he decided not to use it. He knows his type 2 is bc of his personal choices so people wanting to lose weight & keep it off using a drug like ozempic aren’t taking a drug away from a type 2 diabetic. It isn’t an absolutely necessary drug for them either. At least people are trying to do something about their health before it be becomes a larger problem with health implications. I’m looking at trying to get on a drug like this. I don’t want to wait until I’m type 2 before I get some help.

The issue I see is that it stops working if you stop taking it. So basically, you need to spend $1,000 a month for the rest of your life? If you are actually going to make lifestyle changes to loose weight, then you don't need this drug in the first place.

im on mounjaro. part of me is a bit worried that i'll never be able to enjoy the terrible food i used to eat ever again because the drug has had an effect on my eating habits and wants. but if significantly reducing my enjoyment of bad food is the cost of losing my weight and starting to live a healthier and more fulfilling life then so be it. i think i've ate enough bbq chicken wings and drank enough oreo milkshake for one lifetime...

This guest is Exactly who he describes as the problem. He is a man of means who could afford an excellent gym membership and could probably even hire a personal chef or dietician. - yet he "needs" ozempic to avoid heart disease.

I just 30 lbs in 3 months! Although I did this unaided. I didn’t use a drug I used willpower. It’s horrifying that so many people need to inject a medication as they lack the willpower to make appropriate lifestyle choices. If you don’t want to be obese stop eating so much. Fasting helps develop will power in a natural way.

This would have been a great 10 minute video

he has ozempic face. he liked being skinny so much he was willing to drug himself forever to feel that way. instead of working at it for a life time. it's a life style. i don't care who you are you can lose weight, you can gain muscle, you can get healthier. you don't need drugs to do it.

If you'd like to better understand dieting, check out the book. Good Calories Bad Calories. My sister lost 140 pounds in 15 months a few years ago and she's kept it off without any issues. It's amazing what ditching artificial food does for the body. There's no need to be hungry to be healthy.

Does he actually talk about the bad effects or does he just say buy my book, like the Breaking Points interview?

Nina Teicholtz is the most comprehensive investigative journalist on how we got to where we are and how to fix it. She wrote a book called, "The Big Fat Surprise", I've heard DR's say this book changed the way they practice medicine. It's changed the way I eat for two years, I've lost weight and am not on any medication. Way better information and non-biased unlike Johann Hari.

Really missed it with the gunshot analogy. Gunshot wounds almost never require amputation.

Thanks for the information. Stumble upon your channel during your interview with Dr. Peterson. Appreciate your insight in many issues. Hope this will push the discussion on food industry for better food for us.😊

I’ve never been a fan of Johann Hari but I’ve been seeing him in so many podcasts lately that I was definitely curious. It seems this drug has only good miracle things about and it sounds like Johann is being paid to say it.

There's a huge amount we don't know.🤨 Go do some sprints, I guarantee you'll be fit. While being aware of your diet, and making healthy choices. I believe diet will be a challenge as well and will most likely account for a balanced weight more so in the long run.

This was wild to listen to, felt like Chris didnt push back half as much as he could/should have....

Now I know why it's called the Food & Drug Administration. They profit from both ends

Taking the drug isn't dealing with the underlying cause which if dealt with would give the same results. The cause of obesity is psychological. The excessive consumption of certain foods and weight gain are effects of an issue in the mind. These drugs do deal with one of the effects (weight gain). Will the people who take these drugs become dependent on them for life?

Triple G has helped me get to a weight where my CPAP therapy somewhat works for my complicated sleep apnea Miracle drug

Very eloquent and credible knowledge.

great podcast. He is such a great speaker and does his homework. I do worry about people that take this drug don't change their way of eating just not eating as much junk food. Dr should give the patient a nutritional guide or a healthy diet. For example eating Keto or Carnivore helps with satiety.

Chris was so locked in for this convo

Call me crazy but the rat test isn’t that just taste. We wouldn’t eat broccoli enough to make ourselves fat if that’s all there was if you eat food for fuel, then you stop if you eat food for emotion you don’t stop if you get joy from food you don’t stop if you eat when you’re sad you don’t stop we eat for every single reason to celebrate if we’re angry if we’re happy but it’s about taste it’s about emotion. If you eat for fuel, you will stop when your tank is full, but we eat emotionally and toasty. I don’t think it’s the brain. It’s the tongue.

I maintained pretty normal weight up until the age of 58, but I did it by being extremely active in martial arts. I estimate I burned 1200 cal per day working out bike riding and martial arts. At 57, I had to give up martial arts as my joints and bones could no longer take the punishment. I was extremely strong and I switched to other exercises but have the same issue: at my age of 71, I get overuse injuries if I push too hard ar the exercises.

Great interview.

Fantastic interview and great talking points. My wife is on Ozempic and has made a tremendous difference in a positive way. She has lost over 50 pounds so far! Life charger from all the years of dieting not working

Weird. Recently: Saw Johann on DOAC, then now here. Saw Nuclear Annie on here, then over on DOAC.

Awesome and insightful, both men are incredible

Wow that was such an informative interview! I learned so much listening to this. The thing that I think was failed to mention was how much the drugs cost. I believe it's about $1,000 per month in the USA! I don't want the drug but I know people who spend that money to lose the weight and after stopping, because they couldn't afford it anymore, have gained all the weight back again. It's definitely a wealthy person's game

Amazing watch, thank you

0:00: 💪 Significant weight loss journey initiated by a party invitation, leading to a transformation in 2022. 5:34: 💊 The history of weight loss drugs reveals the dangers of popular but harmful medications. 11:36: ⚠ The widespread desire for weight loss drugs raises concerns about societal dependence on medication. 16:52: 🍔 Impact of shift from fresh Whole Foods to processed foods on satiety and health. 22:46: 💔 Unexpected gesture at KFC triggers emotional response, highlighting struggles with weight and self-image. 28:02: 💊 Comparison of weight loss methods: drugs vs. bariatric surgery, with potential risks and challenges. 33:36: 🔬 Biological set point theory suggested weight regulation akin to body temperature control. 39:03: 🍽 The impact of today's food environment on weight loss and willpower in relation to food. 44:40: 🐭 In experiments with rats and mice, drugs with no caloric component led to a significant decrease in self-administration. 50:33: ⚠ The significant health risks of obesity, including a higher chance of developing cancer, are often underestimated. 56:48: 💃 Impact of changing beauty norms on body image perception among girls in the 1960s. 1:02:10: ⚠ Potential long-term effects of environmental contaminants on prenatal exposure are concerning. 1:07:56: 💀 Diabetes poses a greater risk of premature death and severe complications compared to HIV. Recapped using Tammy AI

Great episode and great guest!

Thank you, great info, great insight. I can't say I agree with everything that has been said, though.

When they talked about that side effect of not feeling much pleasure from eating... That's basically how i've always been.I love it though.I can regulate my weight to whatever i want easily and eat super healthy,because why not ? The taste doesn't really matter to me anyway.

They're going to be so many more side effects come up as time goes on.

This was very informative but one problem I see for the future is the food companies that make millions on selling ultra processed foods. Many the insurance companies too.

My mom took it for diabetes. Really started messing with her capacity to eat, in particular meat. Also feels off and upset stomach frequently. She's been on it for a couple years and now trying to get off.

When you look away from the screen the video sounds like an audio book