I thought that, but I can live with the whirring for now . . . you get used to it after a while.

I will modify where it requires modification. Most of it is OK.

I once rebuilt a large stationary engine for a customer and that had a mirror underneath it {:-)))

cool

is it coal fired or gas fired? I would not recommend running a coal fired model engine as a complete novice. Coal fires are very unforgiving. What I do recommend though, is watching a lot more of my videos, this is not an advert - just an observation. I have covered at least 95% of the things you need to know in my various video series mostly designed for beginners. You can find most of the playlists here: www.mainsteam.co.uk/mainsteammodels-video-playlist

@@keithappleton Many thanks for a quick response. Yes it is coal fired 5"

Why not watch the series where I modified a 5 inch gauge 14XX Locomotive. even though it is not a "Kingscale", it is very similar. kzfaq.info/sun/PLDV_TkPc48RGxtN2DKjn73HMLe_PMQWgA

@@keithappleton Just watching the final episodes Keith, fascinating, learnt so much just on the 1st viewing. I'm just starting with the springing, as that's mech. and I can do that :-) The springs are definitely too strong so now have to figure out what to change them to, other guys have found the loco derailing, on the ones supplied. I have run the loco on air just to familiarise myself, I will have to fill with water and see what happens, wish me luck

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My advice is to forget the axle pump and use 2 injectors (:-)))

Keith Appleton thanks for replying back to me Keith, I was pretty sure that's how I was going to go but it is great help to get your advice, Thanks mate regards John.

probably about 6 to 8 people?

Yes, that is one of the dummy sandboxes . . .

So many viewers have asked the same question - Here is the answer: The Chinese supplier is a trade supplier. I only bought it because I was working on it here in England and it was a convenient alternative to shipping it back to China.

No, it has the original manufacturer's test certificate and i will be getting a current boiler certificate shortly.

I see a "CE" on the (boiler) when film is 4:00, is correct?

Yes. the boiler also has a manufacturer's test certificate and it is fine.

With a hose. Either in through the blowdown valve (where you let the steam out at the end of the run) or take out one of the safety valves and put the water in that hole. Or with the hand pump in the side tank I guess, but that would take forever.

The hand pump doesn't take long to fill the boiler . . . . .

I covered that in a video the other week ........

Mooncabbage The arrangement is leading wheel, coupled driving wheels, trailing wheels. So a 0-4-2 has no leading wheels, 4 coupled driving wheels, and two trailing wheels. Conversely a 2-4-0 has 2 leading wheels, 4 coupled driving wheels, and no trailing wheels. A locomotive with mutiple sets of drivers not coupled will have two, or more, middle numbers, like 4-8-8-4, which has 4 leading wheels, two sets of 8 coupled driving wheels, and 4 trailing wheels. Or a 2-2-2-0 like Webb's compounds, which have 2 leading wheels, four non-coupled driving wheels, and no trailing wheels. Tender wheels are not counted.

Keith Appleton I think it's fair to say I either missed that one, or was too thick to understand it :)

DAKOTA56777 For clarification for the stultifyingly stupid amongst us, I assume that a 2 refers to a pair, left and right, and a 1-1-2-0 would be a truly bizarro engine. Further, I assume the leading and trailing wheels are idlers, and provide no motive force? Is there a special notation for idler wheels amidships? I really know nothing about steam or diesel trains (or electric ones either, if it comes down to it). I found myself the local train museum not that long ago, and it was all Chinese to me. Unfortunately there was no-one knowledgable around to ask. Thank you for taking the time to reply.

Mooncabbage Yes they are pairs in that it counts individual wheels, so this 0-4-2 has six wheels in total. There is a classification system that goes by axel count instead of each wheel, in which this 0-4-2 would be listed 0-2-1, but it's not as commonly used. Also yes, leading and trailing wheels are idlers, driving wheels provide motive power. In the event of a locomotive with "amidships" idlers, usually those only exist as double system engines like a Garratt or Fairlie type, in which the wheel configurations are joined with a +. For example, an 0-4-2+2-4-0 would have 4 amidships idlers, for the front section they'd be trailing wheels as they are behind the drivers, for the rear section they'd be leading wheels as they are in front of the drivers. As a visual for that, with big "O"s as drivers and little "o"s as the idlers: OOo oOO. These type of articulated engines tend to look very different from conventional engines as the front and back sections are seperated and driven by their own cylinders. So at a glance it looks more like two seperate locomotive chassis being bridged by a single boiler. (Or in the case of a Fairlie type, two engines with two boilers glued back to back.) Also this system is really only applied to steam locomotives, modern locomotives, be they diesel or electric, use a very different system, as the system used on steam locomotives is fairly clunky on bogie driven engines like we have nowadays since they don't have idler wheels, and their wheels are independently driven, not coupled. (Essentially each bogie would be seperate, so you'd have something like 0-2-2-2-0 + 0-2-2-2-0 for your average modern engine if you used this system.)

What does that mean ????

There was a locomotive called the Daniel Nason. It was built in 1858 for the Boston & Providence railroad line. It was displayed at the Danbury State Fair in Danbury, CT for many years until the fair shut down and the locomotive was relocated to the Museum of Transportation in Kirkwood, Missuouri. The "Daniel Nason" is the only surviving example of the "Dutch Wagon" type where the steam cylinders are inside the locomotive frame, a design popular prior to the Civil War. If you look at a photograph of the locomotive, it is an "American Standard" 4-4-0 but the steam cylinders are not visible, similar to the locomotive you are working on now. There is a KZfaq video of it too.

reconphil I think that term may be a little more specific to those American locomotive types, as internal cylinder locomotives were quite common in Britain, particularly in the Victorian era where clean lines were prioritized. There are certainly plenty still preserved in the UK.

Indeed it does ...... maybe I will look at that in the fullness of time . . . .

Yes .......

I thought I said "Thick walled copper tubing" ..... but never mind ......

English people are just very good at making steam engines. It's where industrial revolution happened so no wonder it still has a large community of hobbyists. Smart move of the Chinese imo: if they can market a product with Mr Appleton's stamp of approval they struck gold. Every garden will have a miniature steam track. Environmentalists will complain about all that coal being burnt. Trump will tweet about having revived coal and take credit while Tesla makes an electrified steam engine bundled with solar solutions. In the mean time tabloids are writing screaming scandals about Mr Appleton's spending habits... It'll be great!

This engine is what it is - a mass produced Chinese product. I will adapt this and rebuild where necessary to my specification - I can't really give this engine my "Seal of Approval" at all ....... When it runs properly and everything does what it should have done in the first place I will be a bit happier with it . . . .

up to a quality, down to a price y' pays yer money and you take your choice.

I was kidding of course. But there are pretty successful examples where the community provides the knowhow and combine it with Chinese manufacturing capacity to produce acceptable products for an affordable price. 3D printing is one example.

Are you doing this job for the manufacturer of for someone who bought it and couldn't get it to run?