Monarch 10EE Restoration 1: Removing the Bed of the Lathe for Grinding

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Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org

2 жыл бұрын

Monarch 10EE Restoration 1: Removing the Bed of the Lathe for Grinding
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@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 2 жыл бұрын
Cool. I have been looking forward to the 10ee project! "Dont get too excited"... to late for that.
@BajaBill7
@BajaBill7 2 жыл бұрын
You should convince Keith to CNC it!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 2 жыл бұрын
@@BajaBill7 Hell no. That would be like airbrushing the Mona Lisa!
@daveash9572
@daveash9572 2 жыл бұрын
It's a lovely looking machine, which I bet will be super nice to operate. ...but I'm willing to bet that you'd pronounce the word Monarch in a completely different odd way @RotarySMP, given the way you pronounce the word Linux 😀
@robertlewis2
@robertlewis2 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed having Lance join you for this episode; the two of you make a good team. Please do more collaborations with him.
@SciPunk215
@SciPunk215 2 жыл бұрын
That potentiometer deserves it's own video !!
@metalslingr
@metalslingr 2 жыл бұрын
25:23 I kept waiting for that apron to fall! 😂
@rogerfrizzell6418
@rogerfrizzell6418 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Keith, I have a shop tip for you, that i have used in my shop for years. When you are doing a tear down of any kind. Get a box of quart zip lock bags for the shop. As you tear something down, Use the bags to store the bolts and label them from where they came from. This way during reassembly you will have a reference to where they came from. Enjoy your channel.
@johndebrular979
@johndebrular979 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing the Horizontal Boring Mill restoration project. As always, so many projects & so little time.
@markloving11
@markloving11 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve never clicked on one of your videos so fast!! I’m looking forward to this rebuild series
@clydecessna737
@clydecessna737 2 жыл бұрын
I love the art deco shape.
@ScottDube1
@ScottDube1 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see this go back together!
@philhammond5908
@philhammond5908 Жыл бұрын
Lance will be the traveling lathe guru.
@deej19142
@deej19142 2 жыл бұрын
Great editing Keith, love this series!
@garys9694
@garys9694 2 жыл бұрын
This was the lathe that I ran when I served my apprenticeship back in the '70s. I have represented a machine tool distributor that represented Monarch as a sales guy. I saw proposals to reman and update the electrics by Monarch in the $65K range. When I ran them their electronic drive used vacuum tubes about 12" in height, of course, that's all gone now. These are the Rolls Royces of machine tools. As smooth as silk and absolutely dead accurate. A guy couldn't blame his machine.
@jimc4731
@jimc4731 2 жыл бұрын
If I am correct this lathe was DC variable speed. Wondering where did the DC come from? I know in big cities at that time DC was available. Perhaps the DC was generated in the machine? Can you shed some light on this? Thanks, JIM
@russkepler
@russkepler 2 жыл бұрын
My 1956 10EE still has the original tube drive. 2 C16Js for armature. 2 3C23s for field. 0-245 vdc for armature followed by 120-25 vdc on the field (field weakening gives 100:1 speed range - 40 to 4000 rpm useful range before backgear) It looks like much of the ELSR on Keith's lathe was stripped - that was the top bar through the saddle to the box on the front of the headstock. It's a cool system to help you thread fast or to thread or bore in a blind hole. Hope there's going to be Moglice for the saddle. I did mine that way almost 20 years ago and it holds the same accuracy it had after I rebuilt it.
@jamanjeval
@jamanjeval 2 жыл бұрын
This video shows old mercury filled tube rectifiers. I don’t know if this is exactly what was used for this lathe, but I’ve seen old electric cars where these were used in the battery charger. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aNZ0ltlnzJeqdWQ.html
@russkepler
@russkepler 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamanjeval There's only one mercury rectifier in the 10EE tube drive, a smallish EL1C. The thyratrons used for the motor armature and field are xenon and mercury vapor respectively.
@jimc4731
@jimc4731 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamanjeval Thank you, JIM
@russelldold4827
@russelldold4827 2 жыл бұрын
The two of you were having so much fun together!
@iteerrex8166
@iteerrex8166 2 жыл бұрын
If Mr Rucker ever wanna get rid of it, it’s mine. I call dibs. 😁
@pauljoseph8338
@pauljoseph8338 2 жыл бұрын
FINALLY!!! We’ve been waiting for years for you to begin this restomod!!!
@johnalgar4747
@johnalgar4747 2 жыл бұрын
Soo happy to see this started! It will take some time, gotta wait in line of course but at least its now in the line.
@paulmace7910
@paulmace7910 2 жыл бұрын
Tell Lance he needs his own channel.
@CornishMiner
@CornishMiner 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why, but that was an absolute joy to watch.
@yorkyswe
@yorkyswe 2 жыл бұрын
Boy, this was one of the most interesting videos I have ever watched! I can't wait to see this lathe being restored, I just love the old machinery and how well it was made compared to modern stuff.
@terrybush4270
@terrybush4270 2 жыл бұрын
Eagerly awaiting this series. Thanks for sharing.
@kentuckytrapper780
@kentuckytrapper780 2 жыл бұрын
I just finished my model A monarch, looking forward to the restoration on yours. Very interesting. Great video Keith, keep'um coming.
@ricko5123
@ricko5123 2 жыл бұрын
Way cool, I would love to see that. Much love for the Monarch for the beauty like a Hindy that most young folks have no idea about and should. I love seeing the younger generation learn of our skills and get to use it...
@ancienttraveller9297
@ancienttraveller9297 2 жыл бұрын
A beautiful machine of solid design from yesteryear.....exciting project....thanx for sharing....
@jimc4731
@jimc4731 2 жыл бұрын
It would be a nice “ object de art “ just sitting in the shop all painted up! JIM
@adamlumpkins2000
@adamlumpkins2000 2 жыл бұрын
Love the restoration videos Keith!
@rightwinggunslinger1
@rightwinggunslinger1 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome. A pleasure to watch
@GeorgeWMays
@GeorgeWMays 2 жыл бұрын
Great way to start the week. I love watching other people work. Coffee and a couple of clicks, voila, a great video. Thanks, it's appreciated.
@KristopherGrove
@KristopherGrove 2 жыл бұрын
Super excited about your 10EE restoration!
@wilsonhardy2100
@wilsonhardy2100 2 жыл бұрын
It’s nice to see you and Lance working together. Collaboration is awesome!
@slawnski
@slawnski 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you get to the 10EE! Looking forward to the eventual restoration.
@NiftyMCD_Australia
@NiftyMCD_Australia 2 жыл бұрын
Hilarious! Both maneuvering to be the one to do the most! Lucky no elbows or foul shots taken. Such great sportsmanship and cooperation.
@Likeaudio
@Likeaudio 2 жыл бұрын
These are some blockbuster restorations you've got on the go!
@lancebaltzley4770
@lancebaltzley4770 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Keith, Always love hanging out with you!!! I got to learn some of the differences between the round and square dials. Safe travels, I know you will have blast up there!!!
@terrycannon570
@terrycannon570 2 жыл бұрын
looking forward to this one Keith. The Planer and this lathe are my kind of interest. Thanks for sharing with us. Hope you take us thru the grinding shop and the grinding process.
@deedeeindustrialsuperprecision
@deedeeindustrialsuperprecision 2 жыл бұрын
The specs will be hard,.0005" over all on the bed grind, .0003" concave on a 5" face cut, and more, I did post the blue publication factory specs on the fake machinist forum. The best craftsmen in the world built, and still build these. Wow, what a challenge!
@rhipp100
@rhipp100 2 жыл бұрын
Lance very nice of you to help all the folks you help a good man. Keith looking forward to the series.
@giannirocco7492
@giannirocco7492 2 жыл бұрын
Been running my 10EE since 1988 so I'll be paying close attention to all videos on this one...thanks!
@elsdp-4560
@elsdp-4560 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed.
@ericsandberg3167
@ericsandberg3167 2 жыл бұрын
It is really going to be a great series of vid's seeing this 80 year old machine come back to life and make chips once again.
@RookieLock
@RookieLock 2 жыл бұрын
Lance is a great guy.. Very helpfull !
@akfarmboy49
@akfarmboy49 2 жыл бұрын
EE is my favorite lathe I’ll be following this project
@Dobbo2958
@Dobbo2958 2 жыл бұрын
I have no idea why but. like many others I have really been looking forward to seeing this beauty brought back to life.
@tonybaggett1984
@tonybaggett1984 2 жыл бұрын
So glad you decided to restore that lathe! Felt so sad when you said you may not after getting the other lathe.
@montysmith2753
@montysmith2753 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Keith, boy this couldn’t have come at a better time. I just took delivery of my first lathe and yes it is a 10ee.
@robertbamford8266
@robertbamford8266 2 жыл бұрын
Managing parts - always my biggest challenge when something takes a day or two. Years? Wow! 90 minutes of work in a 36 minute video. Practically real time. Thanks for the video.
@ydonl
@ydonl 2 жыл бұрын
I really, really, hope Keith can follow through with the goal of making this one near perfect! He's so pressured under normal conditions, he tends to work toward "good enough", and that's a legit approach. For this one... it deserves extra special precision attention! :). Looking forward to it, when it bubbles up on the to-do list.
@RobertKohut
@RobertKohut 2 жыл бұрын
Nice!! The floor does get further away the older you get... :-)
@thisolesignguy2733
@thisolesignguy2733 2 жыл бұрын
This made me remember my grandpa when you said "i need a big wrench" "what size?" my Grandpa's line would been "Ohhh about a 10 pounder" lol
@wolterswarwagons7451
@wolterswarwagons7451 2 жыл бұрын
I will be following this rebuild pretty closely. I have a 10EE in great shape, 3, 4, and collet chucks. I am trying to get a floor poured in my new shop building so I can set and level my lathes. All $300 purchases needing rebuilt. I also picked up a K.O. Lee grinder to rebuild. At least a decade worth of work, lol. I really enjoy watching and rewatching your videos and can't wait to get mine out there. I will be binge watching for a while!!
@glennstasse5698
@glennstasse5698 2 жыл бұрын
Of all the machines these guys have a 10ee is the only one I covet. Will be a great series.
@jobkneppers
@jobkneppers 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job, nice machine, nice cooperation! Thank you Keith! (I would number the shims under the bed and check if other ones are attached to the top. Maybe critical to end up with a true turning lathe again) Best, Job
@craigmccuistion4896
@craigmccuistion4896 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Keith! I have been waiting for this day. I’ve got a 10ee that I’m restoring. It’s a process for the home gamer anyway, so we can all just follow along and know that you’re going to do it right and bring this great old machine back to better than new.
@donmittlestaedt1117
@donmittlestaedt1117 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Keith.
@xdrfan
@xdrfan 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see this one Keith. I was hoping you would do a real before and after (grinding/scraping) comparison of some key measurements but I know that’s not always possible - especially when it’s not a functioning machine.
@tjh44961
@tjh44961 2 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine has one of these, and I've used it several times, particularly for making model fasteners, because he had a 5C collet chuck for it, along with a nearly full set of hex collets. It just made it all so much easier. It does require a mindset change, though, because the dials are direct-reading, unlike a normal machine lathe.
@frankward709
@frankward709 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool a lot FUN
@ricko5123
@ricko5123 2 жыл бұрын
I need friends like yours Keith. Everytime I have a project all my friends seem to be on vacation or call me with a cough and fever coming??? Lucky You!!!
@AndrewGrasberger
@AndrewGrasberger 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 1943 10ee too, it came with a car transmission as a replacement for the motor/generator if you can believe it but I switched it over to a VFD. Will be cool to see the same machine completely restored.
@stephenstrohacker7863
@stephenstrohacker7863 2 жыл бұрын
Awe Keith you don't like living dangerously? LOL. With collecting antique tractors I've got one that got stalled in restoration since 1993. Life got in the way as did health, fire, death, etc. It's all straight forward to go back together again though.
@Randallvgc
@Randallvgc 2 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh… the day I have been waiting for. Good plan of attack. Hope the next episode is than later. Good luck
@paddlefaster
@paddlefaster 2 жыл бұрын
I'm brand new to Machining and was just given a monarch EE. I'm looking forward to watching you restore it. My first impressions of my lathe is that they are an electrical nightmare LOL. I have the square dial version.
@makerspace533
@makerspace533 2 жыл бұрын
My 10EE was built in 1961, it is quite different. When I got it someone had removed the electronics module (Thyratrons and drivers) and replaced it with a very lark Variac. It had terrible speed regulation. I designed a solid state speed controller for it and it has been working great for the last 23 years. Your compound looks perfect, usually the left corner has been chewed off a bit.
@davekummer6587
@davekummer6587 2 жыл бұрын
to professional Machinist saving American history thank you
@radicalanddangerous
@radicalanddangerous 2 жыл бұрын
I foresee Lance coming back to help with the scraping of the bed.
@thetwostrokerebuilder
@thetwostrokerebuilder 2 жыл бұрын
Run across your channel couple weeks ago. I really enjoy it some neat stuff and have learned alot about miling. Very interesting wish would've got into it years ago a small lathe would be so Handy. Might get one someday 🔧🔧
@jimward1197
@jimward1197 2 жыл бұрын
Please provide more information on the DC drive in your plan. Great video... long awaited.
@catfishgray3696
@catfishgray3696 2 жыл бұрын
KEITH AND LANCE, GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO, I CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU TO GET STARTED ON THIS PROJECT, PET THE CATS AND DOGS FOR ME... SEE YOU ALL NEXT TIME...
@daveash9572
@daveash9572 2 жыл бұрын
I do find it entertaining, the way you chaps pronounce "monarch" - like Monn-ark, where we in England (which actually has a monarch) say it more like Monn-uck. For what it's worth, I'm no fan of the monarchy in Britain or in principle, but I would love to understand why this word is pronounced so differently on different sides of the Atlantic ocean. Fascinating video as always!
@tomondulich8113
@tomondulich8113 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Keith, I pulled the mg set on mine and made a rectifier bridge and feed it with a 300volt variac . less than 100bucs and it works beautiful
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 2 жыл бұрын
Great instructional video. I cut my teeth in 1956 on a 1936 16 x 48 Monarch and know what quality machines they built then and now. I hope you made lots of digital photos to help during reassembly.
@briand01
@briand01 2 жыл бұрын
Game plans are Good. GOOD LUCK
@vitamint01
@vitamint01 2 жыл бұрын
The whole time I was going...does it really need to be ground? But kudos to Keith..."it's the way I want to go with the project". You do you Keith, no regrets! Can't wait to watch the series.
@Stefan_Boerjesson
@Stefan_Boerjesson 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this entertaining video. On those machinist meetings there are competitions, how to center things in a 4 jaw the fastest. Maybe there could be competitions about how to strip a lathe? How to assemble it....
@MorseB
@MorseB 2 жыл бұрын
I'd enjoy a video of remaking that lead hammer. It's a simple project but sometimes that still makes a good video.
@JoeyG1973
@JoeyG1973 2 жыл бұрын
I love the art deco design and pieces of these lathes. I know someone that has one just sitting around.
@samuelirons5548
@samuelirons5548 2 жыл бұрын
Do you know if it has a taper attachment?
@frandiminic3559
@frandiminic3559 2 жыл бұрын
I had a little bit of time working with a great man that is grinding bed ways for over 30 years and he told me that they were actually grinding the bed ways convex, so the middle was 3-5 microns taller than the ends to compensate the weight of the carrige. This was in the early 70s and it was controlled by an NC computer.
@WilliamTMusil
@WilliamTMusil 2 жыл бұрын
Hiya Keith
@andrewkoetz3933
@andrewkoetz3933 2 жыл бұрын
Gtta love "Blind Man's Bluff" when taking apart, or reassembly of something.
@MyLilMule
@MyLilMule 2 жыл бұрын
Fun to watch. But now we have to wait again. lol. I wish I could get to ArnFest this year. Hopefully next year.
@TBJK07Jeep
@TBJK07Jeep 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I picked my 10EE when I did. 1939 Sundstrand, however the original pump was replaced probably in the 70’s or 80’s. The original Westinghouse 3 hp motor was still in it & functional when I replaced it with a 5hp single phase. I didn’t want to be that guy who killed the 82 year old motor. You video is urging me to get back into the garage, I want to strip & repaint it.
@russkepler
@russkepler 2 жыл бұрын
Keith - make sure the grinder indicates on the ball bearing gib ways front and back as these have to be parallel to the bed ways. It might make sense to clean up the feet where they contact the base at the same time to get rid of the wae time shims. Have to scrape in the 2 if you do that.
@lukemeisenbach1964
@lukemeisenbach1964 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't think there was any sheet metal anywhere on that Monarch but there it was, right on top of the headstock holding the oil fil screen.
@russkepler
@russkepler 2 жыл бұрын
There are also a couple of splash shields in the headstock.
@altonriggs2352
@altonriggs2352 2 жыл бұрын
Love these restore videos. Let's get dirty!!
@garytotty3971
@garytotty3971 Жыл бұрын
just to let you know in advance. Monarch used two different electronic drives on the double E. If it has tubes in the drive there is little chance of repairing it. The other was solid state, and at least you can still buy some of the parts, but nothing from Monarch! I learned the hard way on this. Ended up replacing it with a Euro Drive, but was low on power. Last I heard the only tubes you can get are out of Russia.
@joeheilm
@joeheilm 2 жыл бұрын
I think Lance was refering to KB electronics. I love my KB vfd. Cheers
@ogaugeclockwork4407
@ogaugeclockwork4407 2 жыл бұрын
Glad the gearbox turned out to be fine! Didn’t sound promising when you initially got some water out!
@mr.ranyhomemade2466
@mr.ranyhomemade2466 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see your show and how repair for old lathe. I should have this at home.
@DRNewcomb
@DRNewcomb 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully, as the lathe is reassembled, you will give us a good explanation of what the various parts do.
@plane-o-1292
@plane-o-1292 2 жыл бұрын
You might also want to watch his other lathe restoration videos.
@robertpearson8798
@robertpearson8798 2 жыл бұрын
I was hoping for a quick peek inside the gearbox but I guess I’ll have to wait a while.
@danthompson6007
@danthompson6007 2 жыл бұрын
At the end of the video you say there are 4-5 other lathes you would put in the same class as the 10EE…would be interested to hear what else makes your list…in any case thanks for the video, looking forward to this restoration 👍🏼
@martineastburn3679
@martineastburn3679 2 жыл бұрын
If you need 6l6's High power tubes I have a number of almost new stock. For a new system I'd do a 3 phase with VF unit to set the speed. DC would have to have a waveform drive to have torque at low speed. Lots of things to consider.
@ericmcrae7758
@ericmcrae7758 2 жыл бұрын
Good call to get help from Lance I am sure you will do the same for him.
@billmorris2613
@billmorris2613 2 жыл бұрын
Good morning from SE Louisiana 20 Sep 21.
@jrrymiller
@jrrymiller 2 жыл бұрын
A comment on the drive: There are two basic kinds of DC electric motors: series and shunt. Series motors have enormous starting torque and the speed is controlled by the load. Automobile starting motors are of this type. You note a high speed sound of the starting motor when it does not engage it’s load properly. Electric fork lifts use this type of motor. Series motors use the load to control the speed. Vacuum cleaner motors are of this type and although they are AC they need to be attached to their fan to control the speed. The other type, shunt motors also have high starting torque but they control their own speed and do not need a load to prevent run away. Armatures have very little resistance, a locked rotor will quickly pop the breaker. But these motors also are generators. As the armature turns it generates a voltage opposite to the applied armature voltage and at some speed the voltages will balance and speed increase will stop. This idea is sometimes referred to as “back EMF” and misunderstood as a bad thing. When the motor slows because of a load then the voltage being generated is reduced and the motor will draw more current to carry the increased load. I know that the Monarch 10EE Motor has a series field in addition to the shunt field but the effect of this series field is secondary to the basic operation.
@t.d.mich.7064
@t.d.mich.7064 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best lathes ever made! Ole you got to do is, change the ole.😅
@tilliesinabottle
@tilliesinabottle 2 жыл бұрын
I used to want a 10EE untill I saw this video... Now I Really want one
@LocoFabandMachineworks
@LocoFabandMachineworks 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this one to start. I have a early 40s round dial here that’s on the back burner (in Australia) and this could be some great incentive for me to make a start on finishing it off (bed is already ground). If anyone has a top side cover of a round dial type 10ee for sale let me know as mine was missing when I purchased the machine
@BillySugger1965
@BillySugger1965 2 жыл бұрын
Keith, if you can show the bed grinding process, that would be awesome!
@crichtonbruce4329
@crichtonbruce4329 2 жыл бұрын
I believe Kieth filmed the grinding of the ways for the planer.
@valdemarpedrosa1982
@valdemarpedrosa1982 2 жыл бұрын
Keith, cant belive you hammer a tappared pin in a shaft without a good wood wedge counter support!
@paulcopeland9035
@paulcopeland9035 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreylee7184 ...Go away!
@kensherwin4544
@kensherwin4544 2 жыл бұрын
15:34 Lance: "I'll have all this knowledge I don't need." Is there anyone among us who has not done something for the first time and learned how, just to never do that again? All of us become chock full of useless knowledge (and other materials, of course) yet we keeping acquiring more of it. I would wonder why but I know it's just a symptom of our sickness. I wouldn't have it any other way.
@louispole6285
@louispole6285 2 жыл бұрын
It's a sickness from which I'm not sure we want a cure.
@Hoaxer51
@Hoaxer51 2 жыл бұрын
@@louispole6285, I don’t want a cure, I enjoy learning about these things too much! We learn these things and never use them but a lot of times the knowledge of how a system or a principal works can lead to problem solving something that doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the original idea. It helps with problem solving so it’s good to know how things work!
@CatNolara
@CatNolara 2 жыл бұрын
Question is, are you sure you will never need it again? Will it maybe even come in handy for more or less related stuff?
@millomweb
@millomweb 2 жыл бұрын
We did matrix multiplication at school. Yeah, that was really useful for NOTHING !
@ricko5123
@ricko5123 2 жыл бұрын
Ken, the machinists is the best and the worse person that should ever go to a garage sale, flea market in the Midwest and or an estate sale. We always go and then say I have to have it and then the next machine and tooling is seen. Wives that live us and hate us all the same day. Everytime I buy another she just happens to remind me of ALL those Honey-Do's I haven't finished and promised to do...What a life!!!!
@bigtrev8xl
@bigtrev8xl 2 жыл бұрын
I feel there'll be some "scraping" involved 😉😉😉😉👍👌
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 2 жыл бұрын
The Monarch bed ways were hardened at the factory so only precision grinding will be required to make it as good as new.
@bigtrev8xl
@bigtrev8xl 2 жыл бұрын
@@ellieprice363 Hahaha, it was tongue in cheek LOL
@daveash9572
@daveash9572 2 жыл бұрын
Is that the chap who was measuring the flatness of surface plates a year or two ago? Useful chap in any case.
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