one of the best UU, rams+ SO+ mangudai = GG but mangudai can get easy DELETED by skirms, because you need lots of castles (STONE) to spam mangudai and spamming skirms isn't hard for a good player with solid economy, dropped 10 archery range is nothing compared to dropping even 8 castles

After all their upgrades they are unstoppable except against non paladin civs and goths in late game. But I guess as mongols, you just have to rush these civs before they get to late games

@@AEGISAOE i go imp 25 mins and have a combo of mangudai with hussar for meat shield and those filthy skirms, combined with 2-3 trebs. Some times add onagers depending on the situation. The key is to have the army next to your trebs and have the enemy units come to you. Else they get defenders advantage. Doesn’t work against goths and palladin civs in late game.

​@@AEGISAOESkirms get deleted by the fast SO and a bunch of hussars and steppe lancers.

@@nshs1234 my point was that I can rebuild my army faster than mongol player can. in most noob games, players dont have the eco no sustain it with endless waves of trash units and in competitive games, viewers don't want to see a never ending trash war, so pro players go for what is best to win the game, But at same time, what is best for their audience to see this is no more voobly times when it lagged, you can proper micro skirms against onagers by not getting too close and you don't go yolo skirms, lol. use your other units depending on what enemy has and what you need to counter but i guess u are more right than me, because, most players have a idle villager here and there while luring the boar, lol, so, having such demands to micro skirms against siege, would be just silly

Like Saracens being bad in Arabia.

Having played Mongols on nomad a lot I really don't think they're bad there.

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@@WSGtr12 Yeah, you can run around cliffs and keep shooting the same target chasing you in circles.

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A true connoisseur behind the keyboard... love it!

This is hands down the best comment I've ever seen on anything. Kudos Sir.

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I had to explain this to a roommate who never plays AoE2 because I was laughing so hard

Khitans civ when

​@@MrShadowThief Khara khitai is a tribe of the mongols

​@@MrShadowThiefKhara Khitai is a tribe of the Mongols

But it would be most rude of them to send their guest Kushluk away...

Tell that to Kushluk

00:54 "They can get you early and they can get you "laid""

*the HU starts playing*

@@atoucangirl Yuve yuve yu...

I think it is a buddhism prayer?

@@totalmadnesman Yep, that is most common buddhist pray Om mani padme hum, not really soviet stuff (not good fun fact, lol)

@@goldenshark7546 What does it say, or mean?

I pray to Sasha Gray.

@@komicsreviewer8505 nah mate this aint it xD

Goth Huskarl: then we will fight in the shade😌

​​​@@bogdanlipan6917Mongols roll up with Onagers and Scorpions outfitted with a brand new "horsepower engines". The future is now old man.

then we shall fight in the shade

Spanish cannon galleons: not if I shade the sun first

Weak? They lack only halberdier, Champions are good.

Easy - you transport allied goth infantry instead. Gl with the micro 😂.

@@perrypougins379 But they don't have Supplies, making them more expensive.

transport condottieri

​@@micahbush5397and no gambesons

I find Mongols are a great counter to Byzantines, Byzantines suck so I guess a lot of civs are a good counter to them but I have never seen anyone mention mongol vs byzantine.

@@doomdimensiondweller5627 Mongols lack good anti archer units. They don't have paladin and miss the last cavalry and archer armor upgrades. Although hussars have more HP they end surviving less arrows. And bizantines are an excellent archer civ with all proper upgrades. Also they have discounted halberdiers to manage cavalry and FU discounted skirmishers to deal with Cavalry archers. Is their slow start that drags them down although discounted spearmen and 20% extra HP in feudal might help a bit. Also in water maps Bizantines are dominant, with all dock techs plus 25% fire rate of fire galleys and +1 range with the Unique tech.

Dah duh duh DUHHHHHH

They where actually nerf fairly quickly after release. What you dealt with is the watered down version of what they where.

To be fair I never use them, not for lack of appreciation, but I prefer the old Huss+Mangudais, being the saved gold in more mangudais, or camels if the enemy I face use heavy cav wich is annoying to deal with mangudais, and have those humpy boys in between makes everything easier. However go melee against swordsmen makes the Steppe Lancer a not so bad option to get trash regular cavalry to add to light cavalry instead of heavy cav wich is more expensive, but only with highly raned armored infantry like Malian infantry or Huskarls, to give sn example

well the old AI was just so bad that you could turtle into win with militia....

I read this in the narrators voice lol

*lunch

Mongolian throat singing and heavy metal is a match made in heaven

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Thankfully, any serious game designer working on a competitive game would not take that into consideration 💀 And that's for the best.

​@@Dr.Happy11"competitive game" blud AoE2 came out before some of the modern game designers were _born_ as for the historical accuracy being dropped the second that you get some balancing problems...why don't Goths or Dravidians get Eagle Warriors? Where are the Frank Camels? That "competitiveness" has run innumerous games to the ground and continues to do it to this day _The_ majority of the RTS players are casuals and they don't care one bit about the game's balance nor can they understand it properly and what drives in casuals? Historical oomph factor, major engagements with fatal siege inclusion, building up tension as you build up the base, beautiful soundtrack and designs, all of this should've been squares and circles if it was all competitive

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@@The-jy3yq A game that is supposed to be played by two or more players that compete against each other is a competitive game. And a competitive game must choose whether it's balanced, or trash. As for the balance, it should be as good as it can get, whilst being asymmetrical. If your idea of balance is "goths inf civ = eagles, franks cav = steppe lancers", then I'm very sorry that you lack imagination. There are infinite ways to balance, yet keeping the soul intact, whilst not falling in the trap of "standardization". Noone has to take the lazy approach, and noone should, in my opinion. Players are drawn to a game due to its "oomph"-ness, as you correctly said. But players only stay because the gameplay is good. In this regard, casual or pro gamers want the exact same thing, and that is a goodass game. I suppose my initial point completely missed you, but I hope you can see what I mean now. To sum up, if you want players for your game , you need to make it interesting and balanced. If you just want buyers to your game, then sure, make it look dope and it'll sell. But it won't ever be a game, but a gacha at best. Aids of empires.

I want my slaw!

He already did one years ago.

I see where you're coming from, but the minimum damage is only applied and the end of the entire calculation and not applied to each type of attack. Against a ram with 180 pierce armor, let's say, it's calculated as: Mangudai: 0 pierce damage + 3 siege bonus damage = 3 total damage Cavalry archer: 0 pierce damage = 0 damage total -> then bumped up to 1 because of the minimum damage rule. The result is mangudai do 3x as much damage per attack. A unit that has its regular pierce/melee attack blocked just ends up doing damage equal to its bonus, as the minimum damage rule doesn't apply. An implication of this is for things like Saracen archers that are intended to have net effect of "+2 vs buildings" is actually then coded as +3 vs buildings. The result is they end up doing 3 damage to buildings in total, compared to regular archers who should do 0 against buildings' pierce armor, but the minimum damage rule bumps them up to 1.

I find Mongols are a great counter to Byzantines, Byzantines suck so I guess a lot of civs are a good counter to them but I have never seen anyone mention mongol vs byzantine.