I somehow barely saw this! I'm glad you were here/there! It's a fun zone to be in for sure 🤓

Convex in terms of a centered PA speaker splay? Ours is 3 speakers - center and two pointing to the left and right. What did you do in your config? I would love some better spacial spread instead of a 3-speaker PA with power-valleys making for aisles between seats. They told me that they got this setup because "we didn't have budget for something better."

@@johnmcvicker6728 we have 6 overhead speaker’s positioned to match the curvature of our stage. In the center we have 2 biamps pointing slightly left and slightly right with an attached fill speaker to each biamp. The last 2 speakers are on the far sides of the room. I tied the left front stack to the right side fill speaker and did the same with the right front and left fill. On the sides of the room the stereo image is flipped but it is stereo nevertheless. I hope this all makes sense!

@@Thereadysetletsgo That's how you can do it. I bet it sounds very good. The separation effect probably helps create a more natural sound rather than single point source effect.

Awesome!!

​ @Dave Rat I feel like someone needs to create a stereo advocacy group lol. I've been an audio fan ever since I was a kid. My dad was into it. Then I was a synth player in an eighties rock band and did sound, and convinced that band to run in stereo. I also did a two year college degree in recording engineering. These days I sing, and we go out and do a lot of karaoke. The sound at these karaoke joints is almost always horrid, and mono. On the rare occasion, probably more by accident than by design, you get a guy running in stereo with an appropriate sub, and boom! It's truly a beautiful thing. In my experience in small clubs, the difference between folks running in mono vs stereo is stark and obvious. The stereo examples not only sound significantly better, you will notice that even in a loud environment, you can still talk to your people in a speaking voice (not shouting) and you can actually make out what the host is saying when he speaks through the system. I don't buy the notion that the impact of stereo disappears in a club environment. I have witnessed its beauty in live environments (my band included) and it really does make a significant difference. It's very difficult to get people to understand this. Most people just don't get it.

The second copied channel with delay trick works well and even for making a guitar "wide" on a broadcast mix, which I do. Sometime it doesn't sound great but sometimes makes for a better open center for vocals to come through nicely. I think it falls under the Haas effect as why it works.

@@johnmcvicker6728 right... sometimes it doesn't work. I also found out that between 20-25ms delay on one side has a bad sideeffekt. If I use it on Clean - oder Acoustic - Guitars, the low F-A (one of them and it depends on the ms) have some canceling out (like crazy timing/waves - phase issues). have a nice day everyone

So, do you have your vocal panned center with that slap delay effect mixed in? I would really like to try this

@@YourHaloCreations Yes. That's how we are doing it.

@@DaleBoyce2012 Thanks for the reply. What would you recommend in terms of processing? EQ, relative level?

@@YourHaloCreations I run the effect flat. In terms of level, you don't want to hear it but you should notice if it is missing.

@@DaleBoyce2012 Thank you, brother!

And of course, your broadcast mix will have to be mixed with more care too and not have the same panning scenario as the room.

@@johnmcvicker6728 correct! Everything will be done separately.

Unfortunately it sounds like only acoustic treatment will help with your situation. If you’re on a budget and can’t afford an acoustician to work with you, build some wooden panels and stuff them with rockwool. There are many videos and links online that can give you some basic tips. Carpet on the floor (if it’s concrete currently) and padding on the seats (if they’re wood pews currently) may help immensely as well.

Are you using Prime?

@@KeyofGtutorials , Yes we are using Loop’s Prime app for now. But I think we are about to switch to Mutlitracks.

@@jasonengle6835 Gotcha. Well I know Prime has the track rig which is an 8 channel output interface that you can send individual channels from your tracks to your FOH that way they can mix them for the house. I'm not familiar with multitracks but I would guess they'll have something similar. Prime also has a Bluetooth foot controller called looptimus which can control start, stop, next song, etc. You can check them out on the loopcommunity website under products.

@@KeyofGtutorials Thank you for the suggestion. I am familiar with those products and we are looking into them. They send midi cues, so pedals controls will work with backing tracks app that have midi I/o. This is something I’d like to see James cover in one of his videos.

It's not stereo unless there are two distinct signals that have variation, so the type of cable on the input side is rarely stereo unless there are 2 jacks

Check to make sure your wireless receivers are set to different radio frequencies.

How do I set them to different frequencies kindly sir

haha love it

Perhaps using a subtle delay modulation (like a chorus/flange) rather than a fixed delay time would reduce that phenomenon?

@@robnilsen Definitely! Anything to change how well the two paths correlate will improve the room coverage more than a fixed delay (IMHO). Adding in a Chorus effect that changes the pitch, tone, or even de-tuning would be the first things I will eventually try if I get a chance. I'm still hoping that some audio engineer will chime in on my comment to shoot holes in my theory.