Thanks! Not even 1 year later I noticed your comment!

Glad you liked it. If there is something more you would like to know just ask away :)

Yes I have both and esee5, musso bowie, etc

Thank you! I am glad you liked the video!

Danke Stephan, Freut mich das dir meine Videos spass machen....Habe mir die letzten Tage ein Swiza genommen und mir wieder dein Video angeschaut. Und mach dir nichts vor, 5M Klicks ist schon sehr viel! Glueckwunsch! Du hast die auch verdient! LG Denis

Thank you. The Garberg's handle is above the Robusts and in some points also better than the Outdoor 2000's. As for the 14C28N....so problems with it so far...not a single chip or roll..but then again the edge angle it steep...I will know more after I modify it. But that will take some time since I want to do a more than decent job.

That is true...we always carry a little(lot) more than we need. The rubber handle never gave me any problems. Left them in the sun a whole day...maybe if you would do that day after day after day, the rubber might dry up and crack...that is an idea...and I think I have just the knife to do that with/to :))

Multumesc. E un cutit bun. Nu stiu cum va fi dupa ce ii modific unghiul de taiere... trebuie sa iti dau dreptate: e cam scump! Eu nu mi l-as cumpara...mai degraba Eldris. E mic, da...dar il duc cam peste tot si chiar imi palce sa tai chestii cu el...mai mult pe zi ce trece.

I decided that I will test it in the "long run" with this secondary bevel to see how it does, then remove it and see how it holds a smaller edge angle...but first I wanted to see how it compares to what I hear on youtube... As for the Trapper....it would definitely be a better choice than the Garberg...as you said..the handle might be better on this one...as for the steel, I am not familiar with Enzo's N690 but their D2 and O1 are very wel heat treated. I expect them to do an excellent job on N690 as well....

Thanks!

it is not a bad knife. and 62$ is a good enough price for it. All I will do is modify the edge angle in the near future, but first I will probably test it against a few other knives Thanks

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Thank you! Glad you liked the video.

thank you. i am glad you liked the video. :)

I think that the 510 is the best allaround knife they make price/performance wise. The Bushcraft Black is definitely a good model. I much prefer it to the Garberg

so far, the only aspect that I like more about the Garberg than the Robust is the handle. I thought about a comparison between the Garberg and the F1 and my Enzo Trapper....that will ahve to come later, after I modify the edge angle of the Garberg. So far, compared with the F1, the Garberg has a fuller handle and it does not chip. The F1's I had or sharpened all chipped no matter at what edge angle I sharpened them. |For the F1 I would choose the leather sheath..a friend of mine just gave me his zytel sheath and told me he has no use for it. He went hunting, it rained and as it was really cold. over the next few hours the knife froze inside the sheath so he decided to only use the leather sheath from now on

About the same as vg10. Less chippy I would say and better than 440

Thank you! I am glad you liked the video. I also could not justify it, not for the price. As for the Bushcraft Black...it is a good knife but once again...the Robust does the same things that the BB does...and as you also said, the 510 outcarves it anyday. I guess that with this new line Mora is trying to do something. And I am not one to complain. But I will stick to what works and when prices drop a bit...maybe I will also get on board and get the newer models. I only fear that they will keep "improving" and forget about the old models that really worked. Like the old 510 with a 2,5 mm thick spine... I wish started making that one again...

+SpartanJohns they want their piece of the outdoor/bushcraft cake i guess. they are well known and have a good reputation, you cant really blame them for making money with the reputation and brand they built. I just also hope they keep the models on which their brand and reputation was built. And while i dont care a lot about the new models except for the awesome Eldris i wish they would stick to their traditional designs. The new robust is imho a step backwards for example. We will see what happens, Mora has always been flexible in regards of reviving old models or doing custom models for special purposes, customer requests or certain shops etc. etc. so i am pretty positive we wont run out of great and affordable Moras.

I have a new 546. It is a good knife but it is not as comfortable as the old 546/511...and by far not as easy to adapt... I thought about the new Robust but I passed...since I really do not think that it will be very comfortable... Same here: hoping that they will still produce the old designs which are inexpensive and great working knives

The heat-treatment on the Bushcraft Black is better than the robust. You will have to re-profile the scandi grind on the BB to make it more acute, but once you do, it slices, carves and cuts effortlessly. The companion will still serve 99% of your needs and remains their best knife to date.

The Bushcraft black has the same carbon steel all the carbon moras have,so I guess it has the same heat treatment.Are you sure it has a different heatreatment? Thanks in andvance for the info.

Thank you very much!

Hi Phil. Sorry for the late reply. out of all my knives....1 and 1? tough! I found my Esee 6 to be the most useful. I can use it for splitting wood, chopping, cutting food....I look at fixblades the way some people look at folders: how useful is it? ESEE 6, imo, best suited for all around tasks.... Folders....here's the pickle.... i think, because they are build so well, i would chose a Cold Steel. Probably my Recon 1 in CTS XHP. because it is sturdy, good steel(softer than Spyderco's but still good) and has enough blade for just about anything you can/want to do with a folder.

Fjallraven Barents. I have been wearing this pants for outdoor activities for over 3 years now. I have a video about them. If you are interested just look it up on my channel

i would say that for 25$ it is a good buy. 3.2 mm thick will get a lot of things done. A "better than average" knife. Mine was one of the first. It might have received a faulty HT.... So you might actually like your garberg even if you reduce the edge angle. And if you keep the innitial edge angle i do not think you will have any problems with it in any situation

Thanks! I appreciate that...I really get a kick out of it, when someone tells me that they found my videos useful and that they bought a knife because of my reviews and that they are not dissapointed by it at all. About the GB replacement. The grind is thinner with the new one which made it easier to work with. I still like the Wildlife Hatchet model. It comes out very often. I will have to give it a "once over" linseed oil and sharpening...so far it has chopped a few difficult logs, helped me out with some light carving...but it has not gone thru the things I put the other one thru...However I like the thinner grind. I suspect that my old one was an exception...lopsided with a thick grind... I have been looking at Fiskars lately, simply because I want to try something new...but the Wildlife Hatchet still comes out with me every time...

Thanks Denis!

i have heard form more people that the later SS versions of the Garberg are better. In itself it is a good knife....i would opt for the carbon steel version and nowadays....maybe I would make it a "scandi-vex" instead of a zero scandi....not sure...

ja, weiss ich natuerlich. es waehre trotzdem gut wenn Mora von anfang an keine sekundaere schneide drauf tun wuerde. weniger arbeit fuer bushcrafter Ja, das Robust steht fuer mich an Erster Stelle, Danach das Bushcraft Black und danach das Garberg. Preis/Leistung Das Robust kriegst du fuer 15 Euro.....das BB fuer 35-50 Euro...und das Garberg fuer viel mehr. Das Robust kann alles machen was das Garberg machen kann... und fuer den preis eines Garbeg kriegst du 6-7 Robust. Um Rostende Klingen mache ich mir keine Sorgen. Wenn du sie trocken haellst....rosten sie nicht so schnell. Mein Robust hatte nie Rost....

I think that the Garberg would be a more capable knife for all around tasks. The F1 is a good knife for sure...but the garberg is a bit more comfortable. I would remove the secondary bevel, sharpen it to a "zero scandi" and play around with how steep I would have to put the micro bevel on. As it comes I think that the Garberg's ede is very stable...as it is very thick. that bothers me..not the stable part, but the "thick" part. A knife better suited for all around activities...The ESEE 4(carbon steel) is a favorite of mine. For bushcrafting purposes...if you already got the Garberg, i would say: stick to it! test it! see if you need more from it... Unfortunately for the Garberg: I think that there is not a single task that the 80$ Garberg can perform which the 15$ Robust could not do just as well...

+SpartanJohns Thanks a bunch for your input! Knowing your channel I knew the ESEE 4 would come up. But what I love about my ESEE 6 I dislike about the 4 (I prefer stainless on sub 5 inch knives, also no coating for me and I dislike the choil on knives of smaller size as well, also I prefer narrower blades like the Garberg over wide blades like the ESEE 4, also I prefer the rather low profile low riding sheaths on the F1/Garberg over the high riding wide sheath on the ESEE 4). As for the Robust vs Garberg: if it is just a knife to use in the backcountry for crafting tasks or similar, the Robust can do everything the Garberg can at least as well. But honestly, when it comes to a knife you have on your belt most of the time in most conditions for most tasks ( that is how I view the Garberg, as a general use knife always on hand, because of the low profile sheath, the durable materials etc) I am more than willing to pay a premium for the better materials and full tang.

In this case I would suggest you find a good knifemaker and get a custom knife. I like the F1, but I do not see it as a camp knife. The handle is too thin. The Garberg is better when it comes to comfort in hand. I wanted a knife that had a handle that felt good in my hand an aprox 4 inch blade out of well heat treated D2. So I looked around and found the BRKT Aurora. I drew it, modified it a bit and had a knifemaker make me a blade. Then I aked a friend of mine to make a handle to my liking. You can see that knife on my channel "My Hunting Knife/Fire in wet conditions...part 1 and 2" If you are willing to pay more for a knife as you want it...this would be the way to go

SpartanJohns Thanks! Yes, a custom would be the way to go but I don't think it's easy to get an overmolded handle on a custom? So I think I'll just work on the edge angle on my Garberg and add a custom security strap to the sheath (similar to the one on the F1 Zytel sheath, maybe I can make on myself with a rivet, a piece of webbing and a button) Thanks again for your input!

The Garberg is definitely "something else" ...just not too sure about the price...If you can get one for 50$ I would say it is worth the money...Always liked the way that the H1 and the SBT looked...considering having a knifemaker make me one...in the distant future...

I talked to Rod Garcia, We talked about how he got the idea for the Skookum, He told me he took some classes from Mors Kochanski, Rod is an avide Moose Hunter, and one day he asked Mors what type of knife he considered best. Mors at that time used a Mora Classic #1, so Mors took his out and said something like this, So Rod and Mors Book created the S. B. T., So when he went back he left his creation on a table, It caught Mors eye, and Mors said who made this, and the rest is history, Heah, It was nice, We got to do this again

But any one that makes that trailing point style of knife is a win, win. ,, .

I have not! I am not to keen on the grind it has...the only advantage that the Kansbol has over the Mora Outdoor 2000 is the multimount system

Any knife can do that. And any knife can fail. My suggestion is: find a knife you find visually pleasing and comfortable to use. Then start testing it. Test it harder than you intent on ever using it. If it does not fail then you got a knife you can rely on. I did this with the ESEE 4 and the Mora Robust. I tried to break them batoning wood. That is really the only way to have a knife you can rely on. Any knife blade can fail if the heat treatment is not done right or the material is faulty.... Testing your gear in a controlled environment is the best way start trusting and know it and its limitations

Check out the Mora Companion. It's a great knife and Amazon has them for less than $15. I have used mine hard for 3 years with no complaints and it is lite weight for backpacking.

since it has a full grown secondary beve, i suggest you sharpen that one....

Up to you. Make it a true scandi and it will perform much better.

sure...you can use it for what you like. but Mora actually presented it to be for scraping a ferro rod

I also like carbon steel knives but I do appreciate the stainless steel ones. it is still dirty from the last outing...i said I would clean it but I kept putting it off. I could have not done that with my carbon steel knives. I imagine this one would have a blueing like the Bushcraft black does..it looks cool but when you shapen it...you have the same problems... Most my Moras are carbon steel..to tell you the truth, performance wise...i cannot tell there is a difference between Mora's carbon and stainles steel...other than the fact that you can strike sparks from the carbon steel with a hard rock....

53 $ is a good price. I think you got a good deal. The F1 is a different style of knife. The Garberg's handle is fuller. If you have the garberg I would not recommend the F1. I like my F1. It is a good knife. But i feel like the Garberg can do most tasks that the F1 can do. Not sure about the steel. I have a Real Steel with 14C28N. So far no problems with that...the arberg gave me no isssues..but the edge anlge is much greater with it. I will modify the edge angle and then have more info on that...but that will be a bit later.

SpartanJohns Yeah, I didn't see a real reason to get the F1. I have always kind of wanted one, but can't justify the price tag. Even more so now that I have the Garberg. Are you going to take off the secondary bevel? I got the leather sheath. The inside looks like it's not doing so hot, so I might have to contact Mora about either getting it replaced or getting the plastic sheath.

you could probably get a second hand F1 which you might get for a good price. It is a nice knife. I would think of it primarily as a hunting/edc knife(if you can carry it). It does a good job and the VG10, although it chips is easy to keep sharp(microchips included) I like the look of the leather sheath. I like how practical the plastic sheath is. No real way to damage it while sheathing the knife.I would like more retention from the plastich sheath because when I carry it upside down the strap does move to the side very easily.. So far I am happy with the multimount. Maybe if you would hotwax the sheath or use some leather hardener it would guide the knife better when going in the sheath keeping it from cutting it. I would e curious about what Mora tells you about the sheath!

I'll have to look up how to do that. I'm fairly new to fixed blades so I don't have any experience with leather sheaths. I would definitely EDC a fixed blade if work permitted it. As it stands, I'm not really allowed to have a weapon at work. I don't think any of my co workers would care, but the second a customer feels threatened by a three inch knife I might as well drop off my vehicle and go home. Suspension without pay. I've been thinking about getting another neck knife since I don't care for the Izula. I just hate spending money on things I don't end up using.

I think that, unless you live/work in an extremely cold environment, kydex is the best choice. for a sheath...Leather looks better but Kydex is more practical. I understand...I have the same issues in carrying a knife. That is one reason why I do not carry a fixed blade. I also had the Izula and carried it as a neck knife for about a year...liked it but ended up not using it as much. small knives are ok...I just prefer folders to small fixed blades when it comes to edc. imo so far, best option for a folding edc is still Victorinox. Everybody knows them, they come in bright colors...red, blue...so people don't feel as threatened by them...

ESEE 4

I, for the most part gave up on carrying sheaths with danglers. They are very comfortable to carry. I still have one, for my Enzo Trapper and for bushcraft purposes I still like to carry it like that.

I had a OD Kansbol. Lent it to a friend who wrecked the handle. I liked the Kansbol! I think it is much better than the Garberg.

@@SpartanJohns I got both garbergs I likem a lot the kansbol slices better tho thinner

@@wolfpacak47 thinner blades are always better for regular tasks, imo

I think i said the same think in the video where i presented my Bone Collector...about edge angles.... I still plan to work with it "as is" just to see when I will definitely feel the need to take off the secondary bevel... The Kansbol seems to be more and more interesting..except for that grind...However I am really enjoying the Eldris! More and more each day...it really is a lot of fun to work with it! Thanks again! ;)

Momentan folosesc un rucsac Tasmanian tiger pe care l-am primit cadou de la un prieten. Cumpar echipamente de oriunde gasesc. Nu am o sursa exacta, de pe net, din magazine, de la prieteni, de pe forumuri...

categoric. Doar ca am cativa prieteni care s-au plans de teaca de piele de la Garberg. iar daca iei teaca de piele nu prea mai ai functia asta de Multimount.

Yes. The Barents. My favorite model so far. Hard to get them over here. Bought these 3 years ago in Germany

I am right where you are about the price I would pay for the garberg...40-50$ I would pay, but not more. THe Buhcraft Black is nothing to brag about...not when you compare it with the Robust which only costs 16 $ and can do anything that the BB does. they are trying to enter the bushcraft/survival knife market and they can do it since everybody knows that they make good knives. The problem is: For me Mora means: Inexpensive knives that work! Like I said in my first video: I think this is a knife aimed at the KZfaq Survival/Tacti-cool community. It's a good knife, no doubt...but too expensive.

@@SpartanJohns BB has more steel, thicker knife bigger tang than a robust, sharpened spine. More comfortable IMO so I wouldnt neccesarily say there isnt much diff between the robust and BB

if taken out of context then: yes. if we look at what they can do then: no. That is my opinion after working with the Robust and the BB

@@JordanMac79agreed, I think the bushcraft is a nice improvement over the companions. Thicker beefier blade, sharp spine, and more comfortable handle.

well..you are wrong. 35 dps. not inclusive. 35 degrees inclusive(in total) would be ok. Like any of my folders or better... This one was just lik my ESEE 4 was when it was new....35 dps...

it surely is a very robust built knife. My main problem with it is the fact that they decided to put a secondary bevel on it.... I have no ptoblem with Mora's rat tang knives...That is why I said that if you only need such a knife for working(not caring how it looks) the Robust model would be a better investment. It is rat tang but I did try to break it while doing normal 'bushcraft tasks' and failed...I still have it...

SpartanJohns thats good to know, as far as me im new to mora and any better type knives i dont even know about 2nd bevel and skandy types i just only knew if a nife was sharp or not, i did buy a shrade at home depot many years ago about 18 years give or take it was made in the usa but useing it for work the tip eventually broke that was the best knife i knew of at that time , now i was looking for another like it and dicovered mora and thats what i meant when i said the full shank but according to their reputation any of them you cant go wrong with especially after going thru a lot of over priced knives here and there only to go wrong, im no expert at all thats why i watch the video's enjoy the knives i orderd 2 more just to try them out and try my hand at throwing, its almost like a hobby and fun and good for work to, i subscribed to you John and like your videos to, talk to you later

if you are looking for an inexpensive knife which is a good workhorse, try the Mora Robust(or Mora Companion HD-almost the same model) . They cost about 15$ and are very good for fine tasks and can handle some serious abuse

cred ca inca mai poti gasi la shopuri online... cauta pe google... eu nu recomand pentru ca mie mi se pare ca sunt cam nesimtiti unii cand vine vorba de preturi... un shop din Germania are preturi foarte bune HKGT.DE

merci fain de indrumare

Mora's "cheap line" is still better than most knives which cost double or triple as much. The Robust, for example, can outcut and outlast some much more expensive knives. This is the reason why so many people like them. I have one hultafors knife...I used it very little....the handle is better on my Moras... I hope that they will stil make the old models and maybe bring ome back...

per side!

SpartanJohns yep that's what I mean thanks. How do you sharpen the m bevel then- just at that 27 degree angle on a waters tone

you find the edge angle and grind from there. i have a video about how to find the edge angle. check it out

SpartanJohns lots if people say they get rid of the micro bevel. I want to keep it so would I just find the edge and sharpen normally ?

Sure....you don't have to get one. But if you do....i think the Companion HD is waaaay better than the Garberg. As for the Bravo....a good camp/hunting knife. And if I would have to chose to buy a Bravo 1 or a Garberg....I would buy the Bravo 1

Mora a inceput prin a face cutite de lucru...si multi le-au luat si au inceput sa le foloseasca in buhcraft

Da!

The Robust is a much better deal than either the BB or the Garberg. But the Garberg looks cooler...like a 510 on steroids...if they just had not put that secondary bevel on it....

thickness yes, edge no

That would be hard ... because even if I like certain knive very much I set them aside to test new ones I buy

what?

SpartanJohns I think he was just justifying the price for those complaining about it, using “you get what you pay for” in a positive manner. I was confused at first too.😊

nu am un profil de canal doar facebook-ul personal.

aha.

nu faceti facebook pt canal?

nu fac. nu prea am timp nici de canal cat as vrea...

a ok

I agree...way to expensive. it is a good tool, very robust and I like the fact that it is stainless steel..it is still dirty from the last outing...i said I would clean it but I kept putting it off. I could have not done that with my carbon steel knives. In this price range it is not far away from an Enzo Trapper. Which is always a good choice in my book.

Mora Waterfemale?

@@SpartanJohns if u say so it’s a proven knife .. I have a lot of william Collins knives also

@@scottsmith6571 i was merely replying in kind to your comment.

always? well...thanks for that great bit of "youtube knowledge". I will try to pass it on...sorry misspelled...pas on it...that's what i meant

Nuancolar Esee 5 sucks though

@@isaiahwince4261 how so?

Nu. sunt de nationalitate romana. avem un magazin decathlon

you're young! you have not heard a lot of things. give it time! as to your question...your channel name is your answer!

@@SpartanJohns My channel name goes for everyone. Also, you do not know my age... I've been around long enough to use many many blades and in my opinion (along with MANY others) the bushcraft black is a great knife, especially for the price amd and the Garberg (especially the carbon steel version) most certainly is a bushcraft style knife that Mora intended on being a "one tool option, which I don't believe in that philosophy. Anyways, just my two cents. I meant no harm or insult. Everyone is different and has their own opinions which makes the world a beautiful place. 😊

​@@nunyabizness3882 re-read your message and tell me you meant "no harm or insult". So now, that you've come to your senses, let's talk! The Garberg has a tip which is more geared towards "general use" as you said. Combining this with the secondary edge which this model cae with and the thick 3.2 mm spine...it is more a hunting/survival knife than a bushcraft knife. The Bushcraft Black is not bad! Has a better tip for woodwork(i still have mine) but it can still not do anything that the Robust(companion HD) cannot. I talked about this in my bushcraft black video. The rubberized handle, while comfortable for a short while will stop being so nice to hold and control if it is hot/humid outside and you have to work a lot of wood(carving or making feathersticks from hard woods) Compare there 3 knives and you will quickly see that the Robust(companion HD) is the best when it comes to price performance. As it can do everything the others do but for a much smaller price. I have all 3 models. And I worked with all of them. I make no money from good or bad reviews. I don't care about subscriber numbers or views. I have a patreon where people can donate if they want to. But that's it. I give my honest opinion based on my experiences, not based on what others say. Sure...some of my older videos I disagree with. And when I find that...i make an update. See my Cold Steel SRK initial and update. I am a really nice guy! In addition to that i love steel, sharpening, testing performance, optimizing tools for a specific task and being 100% honest! All that makes me....very rare! I don't "regurgitate" information like others. I have my opinions and I am not ashamed to say things how I see them. So...no worries...no offense taken. I just reply to comments in the same manner they are written. And as you said: every person is different, we all have different hands and do things differently and hence we do have different opinions. This is truly what makes the world a beautiful place! 👍

@@SpartanJohns Our senses of humor differ, just as our taste in blades seem to differ. That is the beautiful thing about life 😊

Now I will agree the Robust is certainly the best value knife out of the 3, and can do basically the same things. The Garberg or Bushcraft black sharpened at a 0 degree scandi will work wood virtually identical though. Now, try the Martiini Condor Timberjack if you want a wonderful woodworking blade. The scandi bevel is a bit more shallow and mirror polished, which makes it glide through wood easier. It certainly isn't as robust as the 3 Mora's that were previously mentioned, but it's a very sharp wood working knife with a hypodermic needle tip and an ergonomic handle. It does have a rubber overmold so I don't know how it would do working with for several hours. Anyways, have a food one friend.

Yes....except that...NO!