Left Mormon Church After Second Anointing - Tom Phillips (MS Classic)

Left Mormon Church After Second Anointing - Tom Phillips (MS Classic) | Ep. 1917

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26 күн бұрын

In this compelling rebroadcast (first time on youtube), we revisit John Dehlin's 2012 interview with Tom Phillips, a U.K. convert and former LDS stake president whose close friendships with LDS leaders like Harold Hillam, Gordon Hinkley, Russel Ballard, and Jeffrey Holland likely led to the invitation to receive the religion's most exclusive ordinance, the Second Anointing. However, Tom's journey would soon take an unexpected turn after taking part in the secretive ritual which would have repercussions for his place among the community and even his own family.
Since the original episode, an intriguing twist has emerged: Tom's son, Alan, has ascended to the role of General Authority in the Church, despite his father's well-documented disaffection. This development adds a poignant layer to an already complex narrative of faith, doubt, and family dynamics within the LDS Church.
Whether you're hearing this story for the first time or revisiting it with fresh ears, Tom Phillips' journey continues to resonate, raising thought-provoking questions about faith, truth, and the accountability and privilege of Mormonism's top leaders.
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@janjacobsen8182 24 күн бұрын

This interview breaks my heart. My family shunned our father after he discovered the truth about the LDS religion. He has since passed away. Now that I know he was correct, I can’t apologize for not taking the time to listen to him.

@jenlebel617 24 күн бұрын

💔 So sorry, I hope you can find healing ❤️‍🩹

@pattyhugenberg-ph6cv 24 күн бұрын

Bless your heart.

@texastornado5517 24 күн бұрын

That is hard, though I’m sure he knows. Please tell your story. Help others NOT treat their loved ones poorly for losing their faith.

@ash1eygf 24 күн бұрын

im so sorry

@paysonstudios 24 күн бұрын

Yep! My mom warned us before she died. No one listened.

@suthatheplee2777 24 күн бұрын

IMO, this is THE most important Mormon Story podcast ever. This story exposes sooooo much and reveals that there’s an “inner circle” and privileges for the elite members. And that says A LOT about what tscc really is.

@Cocoon68 22 күн бұрын

What is tscc short for? I see that a lot but don’t know what it meant

@TheKeck 21 күн бұрын

@@Cocoon68 The So Called Church

@suthatheplee2777 14 күн бұрын

@@Cocoon68 the so-called church

@markbillietravels 24 күн бұрын

This man reminds me so much of my husbands story. Total faithful rule follower wanted to be better advocate for the church. Finds the lies, I accused him of being possessed by Satan 10 years! I finally saw the truth as well separately while serving in Stake RS . Great respect for this man and my husband. The church is a horrible lying money making machine that holds families hostage.

@trembletea 25 күн бұрын

Great interview, I listened a few years ago. Tom was so sincere at every stage of his faith, deconstruction, etc. I really hope his life has been good in the years since.

@jmt1335 22 күн бұрын

“No one has come after this lost sheep.” That, dearest reader, sums it all up. Someone who gave their best, their time, their talents, their family to this organization…. Is just discarded because the truth is inconvenient. I hope this re-upload gets 100s of 1000s of views. Thank you, Tom. You’re a hero.

@tamicox990 24 күн бұрын

This man was obviously in a lot of pain and felt very abandoned by everyone. I hope things got better for him.

@virginianielsen3480 24 күн бұрын

I love that he points out that he’s only in the church because it’s true, and for no other reason. I can’t fathom people that ignore things they know to be wrong just to stay in a group, unless of course their only possible support structure comes from within the church and they can’t afford to leave it immediately. It seems like many people would rather take the blue pill and look away from any problems rather than go with what they find to be truthful.

@jeangarde841 24 күн бұрын

Can’t wait for an update 9 years later! Great episode 👏

@mdaddy4ev 25 күн бұрын

Best episode ever! This opened my eyes years back. Hope Tom is doing well!

@steevenhyde3505 25 күн бұрын

❤

@steevenhydetercero 25 күн бұрын

❤😊

@AlanZabriskie-tr2uj 24 күн бұрын

This interview was with Tom in 2015 just as the Church began to collapse in Europe with the revelation the internet brought about. Amazing the amount of regression that has taken place in one decade.

@katem6673 20 күн бұрын

The second anointing has been a huge shelf breaker for me.

@emptynesters2520 20 күн бұрын

♥️**WE LOVE YOU TOM!!!**♥️ and John, we can’t thank you enough as this IS the very episode that convinced us we had been lied to our whole lives! Bless you Tom & John for bringing this very important truth! We love you both!♥️♥️

@GaliSinatra 24 күн бұрын

Brilliant interview! It's so sad to hear that his family's devotion to him is conditional. I hope you can get another interview with this insightful man.

@ksparks689 23 күн бұрын

Great interview from a man who sounds like integrity means everything to him. The problem with learning the truth is that the church taught us to care deeply about honesty and truth. When we find that we were taught half-truths and outright fictions, we feel betrayed.

@heathersmith483 21 күн бұрын

When he started to get upset I could relate! The anger I felt that I have been lied to all my life! I’m 61 and I remember being in primary and having to memorize the articles off faith and the one that really stands out is “Being Honest, True, Chaste, Benevolent and doing good in All things” ! Then to realize that this church lied and hid the real truth and the whole time I felt so guilty and never good enough as a wife or mother! There Is Nothing True about this church!

@lydarose8823 20 күн бұрын

Same. I'm 67 and was deeply involved. I felt like I could never measure up. It was exhausting and when I found out the truth I was so angry. Still working through it.

@elliek5350 18 күн бұрын

How is Tom doing these days? Thank you for rebroadcasting his story. Thanks to Tom for such raw honesty and integrity.

@AlanZabriskie-tr2uj 24 күн бұрын

It's not just the sheeple in the Church that are delusional the Second Anointing shows that the Brethren that are the real deluded ones thinking that they can lie cheat and obfuscate without any consequences from God. This so called "ordinance" makes pure mockery of the principles of repentance and the atonement.

@chadwickgordon5817 24 күн бұрын

Repentance and Atonement for what?

@Hallahanify 23 күн бұрын

It's straight up blasphemy for them to say they decide someone receives exaltation. I'm not even religious but I'm offended that they would do such a thing. Salvation is judged by God not man, LDS church is a mockery of Christianity

@dehende07 24 күн бұрын

Any church that allows you to shun your family is not a church that you need to ever be a part of.... So sorry this has happened to him

@salindariebow8175 24 күн бұрын

This episode was greatly influential to my husband and myself 5 years ago. I cant thank Tom enough for sharing. Sending all good juju to him for healing among his family.

@DougVandegrift 24 күн бұрын

This episode was such an influence on me. I’m with Tom!

@janetlynn1708 24 күн бұрын

I learned a lot from listening to this most interesting interview!! Thanks for everything! I hope Tom is feeling better and doing well. We need men like him! (and you, John)

@jameswalberg3265 24 күн бұрын

A great episode. Holds up so well after 9 (!) years. This shows what a pro JD was and is. Consisentt and high quality brand.

@iamjustsaying1 24 күн бұрын

Excellent episode. This is a re-listen for me, and is well worth it. It references a 1st hand account of the 2nd annointing, which lay members dont even know exists. He tells about the lies and inability of even apostles and prophets to answer for the church's fraudulent truth claims. And he demonstrates the behaviors of those who refuse to listen to the problems and choose the church (not God, but *The Church*) over their loved ones. This organization has a fine gloss to it on the outside, and it fools many. It's dangerous and false, and I dont blame this man for calling it a cult.

@michellemilne3315 23 күн бұрын

Ruben J Clark said, “If the church is true, it cannot be harmed. If it is not true, it ought to be harmed.” The first part of that quote says if it’s true it cannot be harmed so why is everyone so afraid to look at it? Seems maybe they believe on some level it’s not true. I feel so bad for Tom that his family is choosing the Church over him. That they won’t even be open to “look”. It reminds me of those Israelites who wouldn’t look at the staff Moses held up to be healed.

@rachelcoates9041 24 күн бұрын

The truth always wins. Thank you to Tom and John for following your heart and your common sense. This interview is so important. I hope that people listen with an open heart and mind. Thank you both for all you do.

@rhutabaga420 20 күн бұрын

When someone makes a claim that has no hard evidence to back it up, the burden of proof is on them. If you tell me there's a big elephant in the kitchen, I'm going to have to see the elephant to believe it's true. Awesome interview

@janinemaxwell4297 24 күн бұрын

I am so glad I left the church just before my eldest son turned 18 what finished it for my 17 year old was he went to early morning seminary for 4 years and the last year he was in and out of hospital with Asthma and the bishop wouldn’t allow him to graduate and also his seminary teacher set up mini auction you got play money by remembering scriptures anyway another boy went and made copies of the money and my son wanted a quilt the class had made and right up to auction day he had the most money so I didn’t bid on anything else and when the quilt came up this other boy outbid my son and there was no way he had more money but the seminary teacher didn’t want to do anything about it because that family might stop going to church. So that was the final straw for him. My shelf broke when my ex came out as gay and I found out the bishop and stake president knew and neither one thought to tell me my ex was told go on a mission get married in the temple and his gayness would go away.

@Jsppydays 23 күн бұрын

Tom is absolutely correct on all of his points. Everything he he is talking about was part of my journey out of the church. Listening to this conversation I have zero respect for brother Holland. Why can you say brother we love you unconditionally and I will pray for you. Nope nothing like that. And as far as his wife is concerned she is a very sad woman to give up her family and her children grandchildren stability for a religion. Nobody I know of that has any common Sense would give up the stability of their children grandchildren and future generations for a religion.

@jeffedmundson2044 15 күн бұрын

I hadn't listened for a while. This was a good one. As to length of episodes they are fine. I drive from Hermiston to Boise on a regular basis and these are a great way to spend the time. Tom sounds like a gracious, intelligent and well spoken man and he was a pleasure to listen to. Sorry about all the friction he has with his family. I could speak to that but I won't.

@lindokuhlemabanga2399 25 күн бұрын

Best episode ever

@bonojennett 24 күн бұрын

We need a follow up! This was one of my first Mormon Stories episodes that I listened to years ago. Where is he now?

@jancooley4963 24 күн бұрын

Interesting hearing that Hillam was always an ass, after knowing what he did later.

@shermannorton8723 24 күн бұрын

This really hit me hard. I got nauseous hearing about how Tom was treated by his family. It's every doubting or ex mormons worst fear. The church really does an exceptional job of dehumanizing anyone who's not a perfectly faithful member. Brainwashing people to the point they can turn against their "loved" ones the second a doubt is expressed.

@user-ip3lo2zx6w 23 күн бұрын

Reading about Tom Philips kicked me over the edge - so important to have truth tellers

@TheRobblue 16 күн бұрын

So pleased I listened to this again, what a wonderful man, incredibly sad that his family have chosen to treat him so badly...and I'm still angry that church leaders have been so uncaring but sadly not surprised...

@bknecht298 19 күн бұрын

Tom, for what it's worth seeing this interview last year pop up on my you tube feed healed my marriage in a way that I didn't even know needed to be healed. Thank you for your bravely. ❤️

@brettneuberger6466 24 күн бұрын

I’m only an hour and 20 min in, but to keep things in perspective, let’s remember if a Jehovah Witness or Scientologist were to describe a similar ritual in their temple, to most here, it would be entirely insignificant, if not a bit comical. I’m sure the experience was and is touching, but Apostles and Prophets in the Mormon church are literally no different than every other human on earth. No judgement here, but It’s pretty funny when you see it. Old guys just playing pretend in their minds and people believing them. 😀

@chadwickgordon5817 24 күн бұрын

My thoughts exactly. It always has and always will drive me crazy how “the brethren” are put on a pedestal by the members. Even during this interview “oh yeah, I played tennis with him in college”. I just don’t get it?

@eleesab4883 24 күн бұрын

This interview is incredible, thank you.

@user-ri7xo7uv1q 23 күн бұрын

I imagine Tom Phillips is feeling so betrayed by the GA's because he was a somebody in the church. I have noticed the somebodies of the church who lose their faith have a large expectation of being considered personally. We the nobodies in the church never expected anything from them when we left. In fact we hope for them to leave us alone. If they had no interest in us when we were active members why would we expect anything after we leave.

@beckyburnett8641 22 күн бұрын

Thank you for re-broadcasting this episode. So sad shunning people for how they believe. The church is not about families.

@janetbrockman3729 23 күн бұрын

When my first husband and I were both active, I used to get mad if he did something “wrong” according to church teachings and promises, but if he had ever said, “I don’t believe.” I would have respected that. When I stopped believing, my father respected that and loved me as much as ever.

@paullovegrove583 24 күн бұрын

I remember many years ago being told in the Temple visitors centre in Hawaii being told about the lack of horses and no evidence of the production of metal etc. At the time I brushed it off thinking that evidence will turn up. One day I woke up and now I’m listening. The only difference is my children did listen to the evidence and stayed away from the church. There is hope that things will change for the better.

@cynthianelson9244 24 күн бұрын

Listened for the first time. Amazing👏🏻 Thanks John.

@mormonstories 24 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@sharryh 16 күн бұрын

A fantastic interview. Loved hearing all the details about LDS. Earth only 6000 years old, so hard to believe anyone would believe this. Being honest, it was clear to see that Tom was still struggling with the lose of faith and seeking validation from the Bishops and Elders. I do hope he let go of that battle and found some peace.

@gagagoose2878 17 күн бұрын

Tom’s family couldn’t discuss his concerns about the Book of Mormon vs scientific evidence because they know that they don’t have a logical argument, in essence they’re sticking their fingers in their ears and going la la la. They have to banish him because he’s a reminder that they don’t have Truth behind their beliefs

@ginawhite4808 17 күн бұрын

I am heartbroken and fully understanding of the anger, disappointment, & sadness that is on full display in Mr. Phillips voice. To have faith in a God used to seperate a family is the worst example of where "faith" can lead peoole. 😢

@susanaanderson3150 22 күн бұрын

What a great interview. It is so important that hear what is really going on inside the inner circle of the leaders of the church. Sadly, when you are in the church, people are so conditioned to ignore what is so obvious about the false claims of the doctrine of the church.

@lisagrace6471 7 күн бұрын

What if i had been willing to listen to this when it came out? Man....knowledge changes everything.

@micheleaustin794 24 күн бұрын

Thank you... excellent interview ‼️‼️‼️

@maxjenkins7139 24 күн бұрын

What does brother Phillips think about the lack of transparency of church finances?

@jake8882 20 күн бұрын

Tom, you are brave and courageous. I love you for it. I needed to hear this.

@Qiseeker 24 күн бұрын

I admire you both so much for your humility and integrity. What an amazing interview and it is such a small world. Elder Wayne Peterson was my mission president and I love that man so much. When I woke up to the deceptions of the church, Wayne is one of those who I felt sad to disappoint with the newly discovered truth. However, if there is a God out there, He or She or It would be disappointed in me if I did not use my ability to reason and have the integrity to follow what is truly found. Keep up the great work!

@randoms7113 24 күн бұрын

I have an ex friend, when we were kids , we told stories. He later used our stories and made up a religion , saying he found plates and translated them by god. It’s a restored branch of Jesus Christ, oddly gaining respect in the LDS church lol. If that can happen then Joseph could have easily had stories since childhood and merely wrote them later as the Book of Mormon.

@user-ri7xo7uv1q 23 күн бұрын

I am surprised Tom Phillips had such a honest experience in the church. As I grew up in the church I was always aware there was and inside truth and an outside truth. Covering up the inside truth was part and parcel of being a member. I knew the inside truth would not hold up to scrutiny. Not because of later revelations of the history of the church because I didn't have that knowledge then but of things like polygamy and blacks and the priesthood things like that which we were taught by example to cover up. Mr. Phillips seems to have not had that experience somehow.

@user-eu8nm2dc1y 17 күн бұрын

Such a great interview. Tom is inspiring. You were hard on him with you playing" Devils Advocate, I was upset at you, lol, but Tom's responses were clear, concise and very rational, logical and true. Elder Holland did what all the leaders do now. No real rational answers. All they can rely on is their warm and fuzzy elevated emotions. No answers. Nothing logical. Then they basically shame and threaten that you're listening to the devil and will lose everything by doing so.

@kiuakakirstine8257 24 күн бұрын

I'm not mormon and have never been, but I'm intrigued with mormon stories. The rituals is fascinating and yet so scary. I don't believe in God, Jesus or the Holy Ghost, the only thing I believe, is that most religions are cults.

@sweetgrassviews5841 23 күн бұрын

What we know now is you cannot just drop all that information on your family after you’ve had time to process not believing your faith. He sat them all down and told them and kept reaching out to them just telling them all these truths. I can see how is family reacted this way. As much as his wife didn’t want to hear it he should had a conversation with her first and discussed how to go about telling their adult kids which he should have done maybe one on one. Also easing into why you don’t believe. If they want to hear tell them if they don’t respect that that leave it alone. They don’t OWE you a conversation, as much as you would want to have one. I recently left Christianity and my husband still believes. It’s hard to not make snide remarks, but DON’T. It gives off an air of you think you’re better than them because now you don’t believe. DON’T force your new found beliefs on them or anybody. I feel extremely sorry for him but him trying to force conversations and emails did him no favors. Hopefully he is able to make amends with his family. But it’s seem he wants them to believe the truth and leave the church (which they should) but that’s not our place to make someone follow us even when we know it’s true.

@sharryh 16 күн бұрын

I agree with you. The desperately seeking validation was painful to hear. Making nasty comments, does give a quick ease of the pain, but unfortunately brings it back two fold. I hope he found peace.

@wwrk25 24 күн бұрын

About the year 1983 our Ward exed a family when it was found out the husband was receiving revalations on who shoud become one of his many plurl wife. Upset many ward members. Disfellowship. I often wondered how they kept such a sensative event out of the public news.

@biglc034 19 күн бұрын

When Tom was getting upset about all the gas lighting, lies, racism, and fraud of the Book of Abraham it really hit home for me. I went through the same thing. I too am alone, now. The only member of my family and friends no longer in the church.

@Hallahanify 23 күн бұрын

It seems that perhaps if tom had received a proper scientific education he never would have fallen for the book of mormon. Maybe its just the time of his life he finllaly thought about it

@victoriaquentino5836 24 күн бұрын

A man of integrity.

@callumbrasher8048 21 күн бұрын

It's fascinating how things change. When I was active in the church and believed everything the church taught I'd go looking for like minded Mormon youtubers and I'd avoid anything that felt it could go against my beliefs (because that's what you're taught when you're mormon/ taught to avoid anything and everything that may conflict/ oppose your views of Mormonism, and it's like what your taught alongside the way your mind works goes against you, I think we as humans naturally don't gel with what contradicts our world views, e.g. our minds have confirmation bias and whatever story we tell it, is the story it'll try to confirm to us, and when we find things that go against that story we naturally ignore it, though alongside that being growing up in Mormonism and having that as my identity it makes sense that it's easier to avoid things that may tear apart my Mormon beliefs because it hurts to have your identity and entire world view/ perspective torn apart, so avoiding things that disagree with what you believe is like a form of self preservation, the only trouble is there's no way of knowing how much or little your immediate beliefs are hurting or helping you, and you can't really see it unless you challenge those beliefs which when those beliefs are tied so strongly to your identity and world view can cause a lot of pain because you're also challenging your own identity and how you view the world.) Anyway in short when I stopped attending and became less active I now have a lot of interest in channels like these that talk about the experiences of those who have left, and perspectives of those that don't agree with traditional Mormon views, pr completely disagree with them altogether.

@Pam-sw6um 22 күн бұрын

Your podcasts are SO interesting to me! Having never been a mormon, but raised strict protestant, I just don't understand religions at all!! What does all this business, programs, and dogma have to do with true spirituality? We don't need churches or bibles or books that are mythical in my opinion! Should we not be thinking about just helping others and being kind and uplifting our fellow humans? And the secrecy? It is ridiculous. And the expense of religious churches and buildings rather than feeding and medically caring for those in need. I rather lean toward eastern teachers, like Buddha. (Buddha was a teacher, not a savior). This man is so brave and honest! If all humans would live by truth and honesty, what a wonderful world this would be! I love that he is a critical thinker!!

@donnasumner1218 Күн бұрын

OMG THE MEMBERS ARE HURTING. THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE . JULY 2024

@InternationalMysteries360 22 күн бұрын

First clue, Joseph Smith was a known con man. A loving spouse should be supportive and caring.

@user-it1hc9nn8i 5 күн бұрын

I've personally been present when members would discuss of there is indeed such a thing as a second announting. I have even known a member who had taken the second annoyanting. SRM

@ryaneden1187 24 күн бұрын

Best episode ever.

@naomi-oh3zl 2 күн бұрын

i listened to this episode about two weeks ago - loved it! definitely THE most relevant and important episode ever i think. i remember hearing him mention 19 reasons for not believing anymore. i want to compile a similar list for future conversations and confrontations i will have about “why” i don’t think the church is true anymore. my current list is very short. i cannot find the timestamp for that list, does anybody know it / have the list?!

@LifeAfterBelief 24 күн бұрын

Heart wrenching!

@donasiyanonimpagaritse8147 24 күн бұрын

Sorry to hear this🖤!

@CleverNerdPun 16 күн бұрын

What a powerful, heartbreaking, and deeply important interview.

@tonelove666 24 күн бұрын

Brilliant!

@marthaappleberry8150 5 күн бұрын

I wonder if there is an update on Mr. Phillips' story. Very moving.

@rkn2800 23 күн бұрын

Great episode. Thank you very much. Very honest and a smart introspect on the part of Mr. Phillips. I too no longer subscribe to the truth claims of the Church. John, will you please provide us the citations of the papers Mr. Phillips referenced (Rhodes, the paper Mr. Phillips was given from BYU, etc.)?

@jadeferraris8229 21 күн бұрын

How is he doing now?

@kaitlyn73846 22 күн бұрын

I would love to see the email he sent to his family with the questions. I feel like I would like to draft a version of it for my own family members.

@WhiteArtsMagic 12 күн бұрын

Doesnt matter what he does now, he got the second anointing.... leaving he is still saved in the highest degree kingdom

@kimrae7625 6 күн бұрын

Can’t believe Alan Phillips is a general authority now…well I can actually - I had quite the teenage crush and his testimony at youth conference was quite something even at 15😂

@yourtanktopfriend777 19 күн бұрын

Thank you Tom. You are a brave man.

@anthonyramirez9924 21 күн бұрын

There’s nothing to be sorry about; we’ve all been victimized.

@titinroselim6065 12 күн бұрын

Any church can be happened of anything wrong because people are not perfect, it’s not surprised , even prophets in the bible many doing some mistake . I hope that family can find comfort. I believe he feels something missing in his life .

@dannylarsen4290 23 күн бұрын

Tom is brilliant.

@sweetmotherofpearl 21 күн бұрын

Thanks!

@mr.hermit2433 24 күн бұрын

"All Things in Moderation"... Including Religion.

@kol2456 21 күн бұрын

I would love to hear an audiobook narrated by Tom.

@JSBriggs 14 күн бұрын

Is the Elder Hillam that Tom Phillips mentions, the same elder Hillam that Adam Steed mentions in episode 1809?

@mormonstories 14 күн бұрын

Yep.

@lisagrace6471 7 күн бұрын

Yyyeeesssss! This guy is a genius about the king James language and Quran.

@raindance1962 22 күн бұрын

I t would be good to have a follow up of where he is now with his family and are they all still faithful members. Just curious

@donnasumner1218 Күн бұрын

WE DON'T HAVE THE PLATES BTW 😮

@firebird189 23 күн бұрын

Wow. Just wow.

@mikebuckley46 11 күн бұрын

I love it It could have been a Christian writing to them So he admits Mormons are not Christian’s

@JSBriggs 16 күн бұрын

Reminiscing of listing to the Saber Rattlers from the old intros.

@manchitas3531 8 күн бұрын

So the second anointing is only for the most privileged among tithe payers...

@mai-liisgilde2030 20 күн бұрын

Thank you for posting this. This episode is the most heart breaking and also the most important I've ever heard. I'm so sorry totally innocent and honest people have to go through these things. This show how dishonest people are brought up to be in the Mormon church. As soon as they discover a grain of truth they shun it and call it evil. Then who do they really worship? This church was once called "The Islam of the West", and it's not difficult to see why. They kept women as cattle and worshipped racism, and now they're trying to sweep their past under the rug, lying about it all. This has nothing to do with any kind of goodness, Mammon is their real god.

@alanschannel1495 20 күн бұрын

Love how he mentioned the Twilight series! 😂

@Hallahanify 22 күн бұрын

Is this before dehlin's excommunication?

@mormonstories 22 күн бұрын

Yes

@walkingintruth7936 4 күн бұрын

Cults want blind loyalty - not thinkers!

@Cadwerx1 19 күн бұрын

Elder Holland speaking as GOD in this email ? You would think he would bring God into this email, These two brothers are SEALED together? Is this GOD writing this email? Awesome Interview, Where is the distinction? Everyone have a great day!!!

@rosewilder2043 12 күн бұрын

He mentions being gay is passed in the dna. If somebody would be so kind as to refer me to where that is evidenced. I am exmo raised by a gay dad and have a gay son, both of whom I love very much. I just hadn't heard this until visiting with my dad a few weeks ago and then again here. I'm very interested.