Morrowind's Strangest Mod (The Return)

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Morrowind's Strangest Mod (The Return)

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I came back to the Emba-5 mod for Morrowind. I don't know why.
Here's a link to the mod - yadi.sk/d/qtif...
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@proteus2103 3 жыл бұрын

That moment when your ebony set is no match for a screwdriver and an adidas track suit.

@STOPSYPHER 2 жыл бұрын

I see nothing wrong with that

@SpaceEmperorGenos 2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, a screwdriver would probably destroy the gaps in plate armor because its technically blunt but still capable of stabbing very hard. Like a reverse rondel.

@indiomoustafa2047 Жыл бұрын

@@SpaceEmperorGenos Yeah oddly you'd rather have that than a sword, especially if you have no armor and the only way you're gonna win is by getting the drop on them.

@jasonfenton8250 2 ай бұрын

Lore accurate

@Dustweaver 3 жыл бұрын

Mod is set in post-soviet state. Mod pulls assets from Stalker. Every time.

@mrpyakovlev 3 жыл бұрын

I guess Fallout: the Frontier is now canonically set in Former Soviet Republic of Oregon.

@t_y8274 3 жыл бұрын

The assets are free to use, and making assets is expensive (and difficult) as hell

@Dustweaver 3 жыл бұрын

@@t_y8274 I didn't say it was a bad thing, I love the Stalker aesthetic.

@Timsturbs 3 жыл бұрын

i think he started on this mod before stalker got released during stalker hype many were building similar postsoviet maps i personally was messing with serious sam editor

@TheVacationist 3 жыл бұрын

@@Dustweaver I lived in Kyiv for 6 years. The guys who made Stalker got it right, it's 100% the way it looks, so there's that. I noticed the interior wood floor texture in the previous video, and it was literally the same as in my shitty Soviet-era apartment (and all the others)

@Capn_Obed_Marsh 3 жыл бұрын

The Sujamma tactic is so appropriate given how it's basically Vodka

@Howlinglider 3 жыл бұрын

Ah, so it's basically water then? The nectar of the gods.

@VS-vv6pq 3 жыл бұрын

You can see the enemy npc:s using the same tactic.

@yegr7763 3 жыл бұрын

It's an alcoholic beverage. By that logic It's basically whiskey and beer is basically vodka. It would depend on what Sujamma is made from. Vodka is made from potatoes i believe.

@Howlinglider 3 жыл бұрын

@@yegr7763 Haha, don't know why, but Sujamma sounds like it would have potatoes in its translation somewhere. Could you make Vodka, say, out of Jumbo Potatoes? Asking for a friend.

@yegr7763 3 жыл бұрын

@@Howlinglider If jumbo potatoes are just bigger potatoes, then yeah. Kurt Saxon had a book or two on alcohol I think, would be a bit dated, but check there for a vodka recipe. You can likely find the book on "archive . org". I believe it was called "Drinks like grand-dad used to make" or something along those lines. Paladin Press may have a book on homemade alcohol although I can not say for certain. P.S. Try moonshine first, it's really easy to make at home I believe, used to know a guy who did. It's made from corn. I don't drink, but do know what most alcoholic drinks are made from and the basic idea behind how.

@NotTheWheel 3 жыл бұрын

at some point someone is gonna make a mod where everyone is just fargoth

@whitecobra9721 3 жыл бұрын

Not a matter of if. But *when* ...

@crybernetics9007 3 жыл бұрын

challenge accepted

@NotTheWheel 3 жыл бұрын

@@crybernetics9007 👀 Do what you were born to become.

@chrisbunting5437 3 жыл бұрын

Where are we gonna find enough rings???

@NotTheWheel 3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisbunting5437 Well my assumption be the scripts and every npc remain the same you just change all their names and make them all look like Fargoth. So you'd still face Dagoth Ur but he'd just look like Fargoth. Fargoth Ur.

@stevej71393 3 жыл бұрын

6:05 There's something deeply disturbing about walking in the woods only to see some guy sprinting at you holding a guitar like a club.

@AydarBMSTU 3 жыл бұрын

Something deeply Russian

@wishing4nuclearwinter 3 жыл бұрын

As the old saying goes: don’t bring a guitar to a screwdriver fight

@Holloway-1984 3 жыл бұрын

Vvardenfell is a former soviet state. It was claimed by the USSR after WW2 but re-joined Morrowind after the dissolution.

@thefuzz457 3 жыл бұрын

Screwdriver is long blade OK. But its best attack is chop, not thrust ....what?

@thesurvivorssanctuary6561 3 жыл бұрын

Don't blame reality for you're crazy! Dog goes "meow", cow explodes into stars and stripes, and it is known that screwdrivers are most effective in a chopping sort of motion!

@poopoobanana8594 3 жыл бұрын

i never questioned to why fargoth is beating the piss out of fargoth

@yeetleslaw8529 3 жыл бұрын

He lost his ring, gets back, and loses it again. I will probably hate myself too, if I was Fargoth.

@Littleandr0idman 3 жыл бұрын

Truly the average gopnik is a force to be reckoned with

@gekyumerising3152 3 жыл бұрын

I used to play Morrowind while listening to metal this would require hardbass and vodka

@fraserjurock7724 3 жыл бұрын

6:46 "We're doing alright for the moment but my main worry is going to be the guy's with the automatic weapons" Best Morrowind quote

@AncientSlugThrower 3 жыл бұрын

When you want to visit the Blue Oyster Bar in The Zone but you don't want to quit out of Morrowind.

@peacfl9610 3 жыл бұрын

Pfp and username of Yes man Talking about the zone Commenting on a video about morrowind Never expected to see these 3 things at the same time lmao...Hail monolith!!!

@TokeyTheBear_AOE 2 жыл бұрын

o monolith

@Internet_Pilgrim 3 жыл бұрын

I legitimately had a jump-scare when you tried to close the gate and he was already there 😅

@MrJaySoN777 3 жыл бұрын

"Shouldn't you be stopping this?" "Right, and the police should have arrested Godzilla."

@StabYourBrain 3 жыл бұрын

This guy running at you on the soccer field gave me a fucking anxiety attack lmao

@OffBrandChicken 3 жыл бұрын

We all know that train noise is a straight rip from Half Life 2 and no one can deny it

@insertusername9755 3 жыл бұрын

Ah, so I wasnt the only one...

@DIEGhostfish 3 жыл бұрын

They both probably use the same stock sound library.

@SpunkMayo 3 жыл бұрын

Most of this mod is a rip

@TheRetroShepherd 2 жыл бұрын

@@DIEGhostfish Nah the thing is, that isn't even a stock sound, it's a very specific modified train horn that one particular railroad in Canada uses, since Valve is so close to Canada I imagine they just went out and recorded the first train they heard

@user-xb1wh5mt4l 3 жыл бұрын

8:54 In Russia, these are called Bomzh (БОМЖ, Без Определенного Места Жительства, No Identifiable Place of Residence). The Bomzh are wandering alcohol-monks who tend to say very wise things.

@ConstantDisciple 3 жыл бұрын

This mod... is kinda fascinating. It recreates a specific Soviet-era military installation in Kazakhstan, which was all but abandoned and left to rust in post-Soviet times (now effectively a ghost town). It is a work of mostly a single dev, who also maintains a verson for Fallout 3 (I think?)

@KleinHeister 3 жыл бұрын

I would love to play the fallout 3 version lol

@HappyBeezerStudios 9 ай бұрын

Fallout 3 feels unstintingly fitting for a mod like that

@user-rd3rf3ft8e 3 жыл бұрын

I doubt you're gonna read this, but this mod actually has a very creepy (maybe fake, probably not) story going around it. There are several Closed Cities in Russia, cities built around strategic objects and named something funky like Gorky-17 or Seversk-22. It is said that after the collapse of the USSR one such small closed-off city in the middle of a tundra was seized by its gopnik (young petty criminal) population, who became de-facto rulers of the place, in complete control of the nukes that were stored there. The army was in disarray in the 90's, and crazier things happened, like navy combat vessels being bartered to Americans for bread, or just cut into parts and for the metal to be re-sold. Nobody bothered to take the city back, and the citizenry couldn't call for help, since communication to and from Closed Cities was always in the hands of the government. The gang who took control over that city called themselves the Вомангеры (like a russianized version of the word Warmongers) and they had three bosses, each with a nickname and a distinct personality. There was Fezky, a guy who was big with computers and tech, Zlo, a really crazy bruiser sadist type, and the third is forgotten in most modern retellings. When the army took control back, the gang was mostly wiped out, but it is said that a survivor called BCD played a lot of Morrowind in prison and when he came out he started the very mod you're playing, based on what he saw as the good old days.

@user-rd3rf3ft8e 2 жыл бұрын

@Felipe Amaral Russian prison, he was doing time in early to late 00's, when most Russian prisons (apart from the hardcore ones like White Swan) had computer classes.

@user-rd3rf3ft8e 2 жыл бұрын

@Felipe Amaral it's not common, not by a long shot, but yeah it kinda happens. Russian torrent pages for kewl games like Stalker sometimes even have comments like "This game is so good if I weren't in prison I'd buy that on Steam" etc. I think it has something to do with corruption. Like, some local official "buys" 200 computers for local prisons, but in actuality buys 20 and keeps the rest of the money, and the inmates are allowed to do whatever they want to them as long as they keep their mouths shut, or maybe computers are used as a way to reward cooperative inmates or snitches. Russian prisons are hilarious. There can be one two cubic meter cell with 10 people stuffed inside, who are fed once per day, beaten and assaulted by all manner of medieval parasites like roaches and rats, and along the corridor there's another cell, where a guy has a personal TV, smartphone and even drugs and alcohol, because he's a friend of the local mayor or something. They are extremely corrupt. Then again, I don't believe the story about the morrowind guy myself. I just read it on a board a few years ago. But it's totally possible in theory.

@NigerianCrusader Жыл бұрын

What was the city called?

@user-rd3rf3ft8e Жыл бұрын

@@NigerianCrusader I'm not even sure the posts I read mentioned that, but I have a nagging suspicion it was either Seversk-317 or Tomsk-317. Not to be confused with the actual Seversk and Tomsk.

@baker099 3 жыл бұрын

The train noise is just the super fast guys letting you know they're near. It's their mating call!

@AFlyingTrout 3 жыл бұрын

Is it me, or is breaking Fargoth as part of the intro now a running joke?

@bigtastyben5119 3 жыл бұрын

No that's just fargoth being fargoth

@AFlyingTrout 3 жыл бұрын

@@bigtastyben5119 damn I guess my Morrowind install is busted then. There's only 1 wood elf sized Fargoth in my game, and all he does is stand around talking about some engraved ring of healing.

@bigtastyben5119 3 жыл бұрын

@@AFlyingTrout sounds like you have a tribunal bug because I'm sure that's supposed to be Gaenor

@AFlyingTrout 3 жыл бұрын

@@bigtastyben5119 oh shit! I better not talk to him then... he'll probably kick my ass

@PRODAt3 3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@raymondnozomi1657 3 жыл бұрын

You asked in previous vid if some russians are watching. Да. Мы смотрим.

@clam3974 3 жыл бұрын

"He's playing Wonderwall in the after life now"

@krabbshaq3751 3 жыл бұрын

this mod looks like something out of a fever dream

@hard_lighter 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Micky. Ozonspeed is the author of this mod. You can find him on youtube. He actually had 4 mods planned but decided to release only one (this one). You might want to contact him if you want to learn more about it. He did speak English (and Russian) in the comments of one other video, answering to some questions. Also, I'm pretty sure it's Russian, not Kazakh. The reason you're seeing weird characters is because your OS isn't set to use Russian as a primary language and you probably don't have Russian language pack installed for it.

@mambetkazah5175 3 жыл бұрын

so how I know, emba-5 was USSR military city, now it is Zhem located in Kazakhstan. And culture of current russia(like gopnik's and other) is actual for all post-soviet countries(I don't know exactly but i sure for Kazakhstan)

@-roejogan- 3 жыл бұрын

So if I install the Russian language pack in windows, do you think it'll work?

@Gabranth2 2 жыл бұрын

@@-roejogan- I think you'd rather need a specific Russian font file for the game I remember we had to do something with the game's .ini file to have an opportunity to change the language we write in text boxes/console

@SkigBiggler 7 ай бұрын

The text is what’s known as mojibake, and it’s the result of attempting to render one character encoding using another. It’s attempting render Cyrillic characters uses the US character set, so nothing is mapped correctly. UTF8 largely solves this, but Morrowind appears to use older ISO ascii standards.

@romanthecomrade6364 3 жыл бұрын

Hey there, I'm Russian. You won't believe me if I say that this mod adds questlines. This mod has ridiculouly high attention to detail, so I'm surprised of dev's high enthusiasm! Have fun😀

@blackout295 3 жыл бұрын

That's great

@dylanmonstrum1538 3 жыл бұрын

Since you're Russian... whats that APYR meme about?

@romanthecomrade6364 3 жыл бұрын

@@dylanmonstrum1538Actually it is "ДРУГ" in Russian, and it means "friend". And there's no punchline, just weird Russian word.

@henriquepacheco7473 3 жыл бұрын

@@romanthecomrade6364 the punchline could be argued to be the conflicting signals of big scary monster and "friend"

@romanthecomrade6364 3 жыл бұрын

@@henriquepacheco7473 it could be, if you all knew the translation. Also it pronounced way different: "DRUG" and "u" sounds like "ou" in "could". Free lesson

@PseudoCompetent 3 жыл бұрын

"I only have a few moments." - An imperial guard, seeing the coming end

@erisk.1707 3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, one of the best out of context lines by Micky "I wanna test out that screwdriver on someone"

@BryanMichaelD3 3 жыл бұрын

You didn't have to make a second video of this mod, but I'm glad you did. I was curious to see how it played with a higher level character, so thanks!

@drastically143 3 жыл бұрын

Damn, the moment when you walked around the gopnik at the gate, it was a real and extremely accurate experience of walking home from school in cities of Russia and the former Soviet Union in the 80s and 90s. (it is important to add that the visual aesthetic here replicates small soviet cities rather than the big and main ones) "Can I get through here or will I have to fight? Do I know this gopnik and can I negotiate with him? Would it be better to go over the fences today?" NOICE!

@Scobragon 3 жыл бұрын

There's something about the Nerevarine getting trounced by gopniks that tickles my funny bone.

@buildinasentry1046 3 жыл бұрын

Mate, I subbed to you not even an hour ago, and already you’ve made a new vid. Grand!

@Oxygen97 3 жыл бұрын

Been binge-watching this guys videos lately, definitely needs more subs.

@DrArku 3 жыл бұрын

Isn't that the gay bar dance music from Police Academy? never thought I'd hear that in Morrowind.

@docholiday5831 3 жыл бұрын

Favorite channel rn homie

@sarahhatesit 2 жыл бұрын

My like 3rd or 4th time rewatching your videos, honestly, something about you is the best! Thank you for being among the best content creators out there Micky, been around since like 10-20k Can't wait till you hit 1 million cause that's where you're headed, you're honestly a comedic genius.

@MickyD 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sarah! Really means a tonne

@Theaura1 3 жыл бұрын

i got into morrowind bc of these videos

@thesurvivorssanctuary6561 3 жыл бұрын

It's a good time, and the memes are pure gold! 😂🤣👌

@dumbguychannel445 3 жыл бұрын

Have fun!

@bongchoof 3 жыл бұрын

It's hard to ingest but if you can get past it and 'immerse' yourself, even though i hate that word, you can look past a lot of the rough parts of the game. A lot of the best parts of the game are the secrets and the sense of discovery. Just be very patient with it and if you need a few mods to ease the transition to use them! Personally, I just can't get into the game. I try. But I just can't. But for what it's worth that goes for all Bethesda games. Fallout 1-4 (yes 1 and 2 aren't Bethesda) and Elder Scrolls 1-5. I _like_ Fallout: New Vegas though. Sorry for the long post about nothing.

@Sunwayhorse 3 жыл бұрын

There has to be another part of this series. Every good series ends with a triology not on a sequel.

@KleinHeister 3 жыл бұрын

I agree lol

@nagatouzumaki3492 2 жыл бұрын

Tell that to terminator fans. But I guess some do like terminator 3 but It seems that majority think that good terminators ended on T2.

@ACHERRY04 3 жыл бұрын

I can't even mess with Morrowind without high speed and a constant effect 1 levitate

@kirillrus7167 3 жыл бұрын

Морровинд похорошел.. Стал таким родным ещё больше, но только я не видел босмеров на улицах с отвёрткой 🤔

@Wired_User Жыл бұрын

You mean you don’t regularly see Bosmer mugging people with a screwdriver in your town? 😂

@kirillrus7167 Жыл бұрын

@@Wired_User Yes, Sir

@oathkeeperofoblivion972 3 жыл бұрын

advice for fighting ranged enemies: they can't deal with even the slightest of jukes, just rapidly tap a and d and they will always miss

@ABCTPA._. 3 жыл бұрын

How English-speakers see Russian language: 1:39

@Drow333Grey 3 жыл бұрын

It is awesome that you chose to revisit the mod with your own character. I really enjoyed this video. Glad you are doing videos you enjoy. Makes it much more enjoyable for me to watch. I wish you a nice weekend 😊

@NotfunnyDude_ 3 жыл бұрын

You're getting subs like crazy

@whysoserious5519 3 жыл бұрын

The song near the end when you get into the friendly building is Jean-Marc Dompierre "El Bimbo" -- I know it from a few scenes in the Police Academy film series.

@jonathanhamilton2504 3 жыл бұрын

The laughing+loading screen kwama got me, that was so random haha

@taliats 2 жыл бұрын

Seeing the Chernobyl power plant in Morrowind is trippy

@braddishv3146 3 жыл бұрын

"Oh, it's the guitar fella!" HA!

@dumkopf 3 жыл бұрын

This was hilarious, Micky. The follow up I didn't know I needed

@nemeros1753 3 жыл бұрын

Every day a Morrowind video.... I can't be happier

@NYGJMAP 3 жыл бұрын

7:48 Oddworld lookin ass lmfaooo I always though that

@testtest-tf9gl 2 жыл бұрын

Walks into an interesting place. "Allright we outa here we outa here".

@jonathanobrien1989 3 жыл бұрын

Its wild how this channel has exploded so far. This is what I need while waiting for TES 6

@potassium7705 3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure agility contributes to how easy it is for you to be staggered and it's only at 44

@braddishv3146 3 жыл бұрын

I discovered your channel a few weeks ago... This content is gold! Never clicked so fast!

@CR-og5ho 3 жыл бұрын

Your videos are brilliant mate. Might be my favourite yt channel of all time. Quality content, keep it coming.

@maomaomi5434 3 жыл бұрын

3:53 you left his shoes on! If that ain't respect for the dead, idk what it is.

@RobDeMann 3 жыл бұрын

It feels like yesterday when you had 9k subs ~ congrats on a milestone!!

@rutherfordmoment 3 жыл бұрын

Glad to see you're channel growing loving all the videos hope you continue the level 1 mournhold videos

@miles1312 3 жыл бұрын

Watching you while I bash out 99 Agility in osrs, keep it up, it's really entertaining!

@bencampbell5468 3 жыл бұрын

>>Calls it Russian mod. >>Mod actually adds Kazakhstan. Checks out.

@janAkaliKilo 3 жыл бұрын

mod made by a single *russian* guy, it adds in the game *russian* town (Emba-5) that was located in Kazakhstan (former republic of USSR). So it's technically a Russian mod.

@aruzhan9664 3 жыл бұрын

@@janAkaliKilo The town isn't russian tho? USSR isn't russia.

@janAkaliKilo 3 жыл бұрын

@@aruzhan9664 Yeah , it was a soviet town, but even after collapse this territory was rented by Russia until 2017 (but it wasn't used as a polygon since 1999). So it's more than enough to call this city russian.

@janAkaliKilo 3 жыл бұрын

@@aruzhan9664 also USSR is Russia + Soviet Republics and most of population of Emba-5 were russians by nationality.

@aruzhan9664 3 жыл бұрын

Archar Gelod Sure, Jan

@syphonfillter 3 жыл бұрын

You were wondering about what your problem is with the knock down; For a level 15/16 warrior type character, 44/46 agility is rather low. Low agility = higher chance of getting hit and a higher chance of getting knocked down when hit, especially when you're being hit with lots of damage.

@karoliszutautas808 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats on 10k subs! It seems yesterday you had only 4k. You really deserve all these subs you're getting, your content is really good! Keep it up!

@MF-R Жыл бұрын

11:15 I dunno, video idea: "Can you play Morrowind with 1000 speed." Or; "How much skooma is too much skooma?"

@Vaultboy2077 3 жыл бұрын

Seen a few of your vids, so happy to have stumbled upon your channel! Good stuff ❤

@bongchoof 3 жыл бұрын

i like the mod. Gives off that Eurojank feel. I love the early 2000s PC graphics style. Each enemy is powerful and presents a unique challenge. Screwdriver guy- High hp, high damage. Guitar guy- Very high knockdown rate, moderate damage. Fist guy- Very high fatigue damage, low damage, impossible to run from. Gun guy- Very high damage, ranged, low hp. And the items you get from each type of enemy will help you with another type. I like how it's set up. It's too bad there's no way to read most of what is going on. If there's a questsline available, you can't do it.

@rmduetol 3 жыл бұрын

8:18 Cheeki breeki. Knew it was S.T.A.L.K.E.R. textures. Amazing game, highly recommended, btw, and the gun is the VSS (aka AS VAL)

@JimboJonesIV 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, just stumbled across your videos less than a week ago and I'm really enjoying your content! I have liked every video I've seen cuz I really enjoy the videos and narration you do! Please keep the videos coming ! :)

@Lostcory 3 жыл бұрын

The key to the boots of blinding speed is negating the blindness

@paulpetroff9856 2 жыл бұрын

Lmfao wonderwall in the afterlife like a mint ghost fence

@NeverhoodZZ 2 жыл бұрын

dude that's crazy, that's literally my childhood

@zachseabass7414 2 жыл бұрын

Original Morrowind is similar culturally to Kazakhstan alright. Especially the ashlander nomads

@sawomirgarlej3133 3 жыл бұрын

Found my new favourite Morrowind youtuber, keep it up mate!

@MikaelGranqvist 2 жыл бұрын

"He's playing Wonderwall in the afterlife now" I'm dead!

@josephcharles2917 3 жыл бұрын

Your channel is great, I'm going to binge watch it but I really hope you get the amount of subs you deserve. Good stuff sir

@MB_PRODUCTIONS 2 жыл бұрын

Cultural learnings of Kazakhstan for make benefit glorious province of vardenfell

@TheDemocrab 2 жыл бұрын

4:56 one of the reasons why openmw is better than the OG engine. A Ryzen or any other modern CPU is mostly going unused because as far as Morrowind cares it's just a particularly fast Pentium III.

@averyzucco220 3 жыл бұрын

There's a mod that replaces every texture in the game with Shrek.

@etherraichu 3 жыл бұрын

"We're gonna do it properly this time" I don't believe you XD

@WaterCursed 3 жыл бұрын

The first few seconds of the video is basically a glitch in the Fargoth Cycle.

@willbeerr 3 жыл бұрын

Ah the guitar vs screwdriver fight, a surprisingly common occurrence in Kazakhstan

@placeholderplaceholder9076 3 жыл бұрын

Your pronunciation of the Kazakhstan is on point!

@jamemuller12 3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t ask for it... but I love that you went back to it. Always was curious of this mod. Also, yes, tons of STALKER asset rips or something. Blue boxes are used a lot for stashes. Stalker is a great game. And seeing someone playing Morrowind this day is so nostalgic! Would you happen to have a good mod list for this day and age? So many got lost when paid mods was a thing for a moment.

@ThatBear6969 3 жыл бұрын

I’d love to see more of this mod

@dumbguychannel445 3 жыл бұрын

You're growing pretty fast dude!

@WhatTheFuckIsAHandle 3 жыл бұрын

Man this mod gives me anxiety

@l34CoNCreepy 3 жыл бұрын

i recognize the music that was copyrighted. its the same music they play in police academy movies everytime the cops accidentally enter the gay bar "the blue oyster"

@ВеселыйКотяня Жыл бұрын

Oh, but the music was so fitting for this mod 😂

@falcon989 3 жыл бұрын

Never bring a rifle to a screwdriver fight.

@revanreborn9658 3 жыл бұрын

For mods, I would highly recommend checking out Morrowind Rebirth, it adds a lot of interesting changes to the game such as expanded cities, new creatures, and lots of balancing changes