the oleander is a flower that represents young love. it's also extremely toxic. do with that what you will, writers.

as a former parakeet owner, i can confirm that the squeaky noises in the beginning of this song gave me war flashbacks

An Oleander is a flower that is toxic in all of its parts. I really like the symbolism in the song with the Toxic Oleander, which when you realize what an Oleander really is you can understand that the song is about someone Toxic.

This song hits differently when you were the person that heard "I'm gonna kill myself if you leave me" almost every week.

I see people putting comments about the lyrics meaning and the different people in an abusive relationship, which I fully understand and think is a good way to perceive it. But when I first listened to the song I instantly thought it was from the perspective of an abuser.

unpopular opinion: this is the most unrrated mother mother song. My favourite, tbh

I was once in a toxic relationship, where my ex was emotionally abusive and would talk about her cuts, and self harm. Whenever I would want to log off (we were internet gfs) she would threaten to kill herself, even if I had tests or if I was sick, so whenever I found this it hit me right in the feels. Now I just listen to it cause it's so good.

This song is told by pov of the abuser, an Oleander is a toxic flower that takes a lot of care to keep alive when not in the wild, kind of like the relationship in this song.

i have dxed bpd, while i don’t consider myself to be abusive and try to never (at least outwardly) express things like “ill die if you leave me” or any other manipulative bs, this song is sooo cathartic since i do feel like the lyrics are at least thoughts ive had but never (and won’t) expressed to ppl in my life. i obviously interpret the song to be from an abusers perspective

In the song, there were two vocals, one high and one low, the higher toned may be a mask for the abuser, making as though he's the good guy, but going further into the song, the "mask" voice slowly disappears (or well, fades out) symbolising that the abuser is revealing their true appearance. But I don't know, I might be overthinking, sorry for the weird English, not my mother tongue

Song with a meaning: *exists* Warrior Cats Fandom: Allow us to introduce ourselves

Has anyone noticed that the songs all transition from one to another? From getaway to far in time to this song, for example

"Hehe haha nice song let's check the comments" "Youwch that's enough reflecting for me"

This song hits me in the feels. Yikes. Ive been the abused and the abuser and either way it makes me cry.

How is it actually possible to dislike this song

I can't quite tell if this song is sung from the point of view of the abuser or the victim. Can anyone tell me?

MOTHER MOTHER HAS SOMETHING FOR SINGING ABOUT TOXIC RELATIONSHIPS, BUT I LIKE IT

You stood beside me when I was out of my mind I broke the glass, and you were there to sweep it aside And if you leave me, rest assured it would kill me I make a mess and you'll be there to help me undress I'll be unclean, I'll be obscene, you'll be the rest And if you leave me, rest assured it would kill me Like an oleander White white leaves, of an oleander White like me I'm like a child in a sty I play with vile I burn you right out, I burned your bible You tried to cry, put on a smile And if you leave me rest assured it would kill me Rest assured if you leave Like an oleander White white leaves, of an oleander White like me Of the oleander White white leaves of an oleander White like me

I’ve been a mother mother fan for years and I absolutely love this song. I got a kitten last week and when deciding names we wanted something elegant and nature themed. When we saw Oleander we knew it was right. It wasn’t until I was getting ready one morning when this song turned on and I freaked out. This is official his theme song. I love the fact we unintentionally named him after this song

Man, this song hits home when you're slowly learning to understand you're an abuse victim who's abuser manipulated and taught you you were the abuser. It's all confusing, it hurts. Be careful dating when you've got BPD, yo, because it becomes real easy for mentally healthy women to prey on ya when you're broken down and already hate yourself enough for your symptoms. I took her gaslighting as absolute truth because, well, I was the borderline, I had to be wrong.

I thank my ex for introducing me to this amazing band, however, I can relate with the lyrics: Our relationship became toxic and codependent after the last... Idk six months, we were both abusers and victims, we would threat each other with leaving or killing ourselves, at some point he would forbid me from wearing lots of makeup, skirts, dresses and even doing my hair, he would get mad if I talk to one of my guy friends, but I couldn't feel bad when I saw him treating his ex girlfriends better than me We never really picked fights, but one day at a party, we yelled at each other (can't remember why), and I wanted to leave, so when I turned around, he grabbed my arm saying "YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE!" when I asked why, he said because he needed me... We broke up almost two years ago, and even though I still kinda look after him (especially for his anxiety, epilepsy and several attempts of suicide), I'm glad I set myself free

I just realized that the very last note of the song makes this song incredibly good at instantly looping the song endlessly if you cut out the couple seconds of silence afterwards. Is this a coincidence or is it a hidden meaning to the symbolism of the song?

I keep having the urge to sing the ‘and if you leave me it will surely kill me’ in the high pitch and everything but 1 I can’t reach that pitch and 2 the voice dysphoria would be real (I’m ftm).. I love this song and band so much

You stood beside Me while I Was out of my mind I broke the glass And you were there To sweep it aside And if you leave me Rest assured, it would kill me I make a mess And you'll be there To help me undress I'll be unclean I'll be obscene You'll be the rest And if you leave me Rest assured, it would kill me Like an oleander White, white leaves Of an oleander White, like me I'm like a child In a sty I play with fire I burn you right out I burned your bible You tried to cry Put on a smile

Jasmin's vocals in this are INSANE 😱

the best mother mother song imo

oleander has to be my favorite out of all of mother mothers songs, close second would be calm me down. eureka as an album has the best songs in my opinion.

I love this song because of the plant. But the second I look it up it's just- "CoViD 19 CuRe?" me- No... it's poison

J'aime Mother mother

the parts where they say oleander have got to be the best beat my ears have ever had the pleasure of hearing

i found this song years ago and it was the first mother mother song i’d ever heard - now i’m a huge fan of them and this is still my favorite song :)

People are saying this is a song about abuse, meanwhile I saw it as someone singing about how they’ve form a bond with someone because they’re suicidal, and the lyrics “And if you leave me, rest assured it would kill me” meant that if the person left them, they’d kill themself because they’ve formed a trauma bond with that person. I still like interpreting it like that though since I do struggle with thoughts like that myself, and that im also quite close with a few people I can’t worth living for

now that I read the comments I think I relate to this song from the "wrong" side of it, it takes like so much effort not to get overly attached to people in a mutual assured destruction kinda way

I was surprised someone was playing this song at a party I went to, now I’m attach to it

2:10 to the end is my faaaaavorite part 😍😍😍

This and Bit by Bit are probably my favorite Mother Mother songs so far since I started listening to em but THIS is the one I keep playing over and over

i always get chills listening to this, it’s THAT good

From my book, Floriography, An Illustrated Guide to The Victoria Language of flowers by Jessica Roux "The Victorian's assigned the meaning of "caution" to the oleander, perhaps because the plant is poisonous, but also because of its association with the Greek cautionary myth of Hero and Leander. The two were in love, and although they lived on opposite sides of the Hellespont Sea, Leander swam across it every night to visit Hero. One night, during a violent storm, Leander died while trying to swim to his love in the rough waters. When Hero saw Leander's body washed ashore, she called out "O, Leander! O, Leander!" and drowned herself to be with him in death."

i'd like to think that they were the toxic ones, but i know that i'm the oleander. after all, the only thing that come from an oleander, is another oleander.

While I've never been in a toxic *romantic* relationship, I had a toxic friend for about a year. We did SRPs despite him being an adult and me being a minor and I had to talk him down from suicide almost every night it felt. He would always be alive the next day, whether I succeeded or not. When I finally blocked him on discord, he made alt accounts with threatening names to send me friend requests. 'Talk to me, Crocus.' 'I know where you live.' That kind of shit. He's been out of my life for two or three years now, all the misplaced nostalgia I had before is finally gone, I see that relationship for the fucking mess it was. All I would say to him now is good riddance.

Anyone ever hear/see the guy's TED talk? he's a frickin genius. Now, I don't like every one of their songs, but what baffles me is people who can't appreciate their music. Sure I can hear possible influences, but can't name one other band that sounds like them (and my music taste is extremely eclectic). And their progression is great. Art is supposed to be about the healing process, about growing, about evolving, not stagnating and dwelling on the same routine for ever. And that's exactly what happens with their music, there's a progression of ever deeper insight on life, a coming out of the dark into the light. If you want to remain in the dark your whole life, that's your prerogative. But I'd rather come to find myself having wrestled that power out of the darkness, that power that belongs to me (and you too), and stand triumphantly above it all. Much love to yall. keep plugging away.

By far one of the best songs. Never gets old. Always has a place in my heart and gives me the chills.

when theyre an oleander but ur an oleander hawk moth 😳😳😳😳

Found oh Ana a couple years ago and I found this song about two weeks ago I love how much I’m getting out of this band, there’s songs for every mood and every taste that I have and I love it

This song is amazing. My take on it is that it (quite obviously) represents an abusive relationship, in which one person manipulates the singer into staying with them by blackmailing ("if you leave me, rest assured it would kill me") ie. They're using the threat of suicide as a means of getting the singer to stay with them. I'm guessing the abuser relies on the relationship for sexual pleasure ("i'll be unclean, i'll be obscene, you'll be the rest), while the singer tries to take care of the rest of the work that goes into the relationship. The next verse seems to be more from the singer's point of view; "im like a child in a sty" seems to be implying that they feel lost or out of place in a bad environment (ie. A dirty pig sty). It looks as though the singer tries a more aggressive approach with the abuser to try to get them to change their ways, show them how the singer is feeling, or try to get out of the relationship (i burned you right out, i burned your bible, you tried to cry, put on a smile). Another option is that it's talking about how the relationship is affecting the abuser. The abuser possibly has their own mental health issues, which seems to be implied though the "you tried to cry, put on a smile". "I burned you right out, I burned your bible", may mean something along the lines of the relationship being tiring to either party, and the bible bit may mean that something which is considered important by either person has been destroyed. The explanation for this verse may honestly apply to points of views of either of the people involved in the toxic relationship. Also, oleanders are really toxic flowers, which obviously symbolises the nature of their relationship or the nature of one of the people in the relationship ( or possibly both). Overall a really neat song with a lot of symbolism! Love it!

I love how the first verse is in a high pitch, as if the person singing it was a child and not fully mature. Small details like that makes this song a whole lot better.

OMG my friend showed me this song she said it would be something I like and omg yes I love it!

So that's because of the deep meaning of the song that people aren't allowed to use it for their animations ? Actually, I know what meaning is behind all of this, I know that some of you suffer and I understand your anger that someone made a thing with fictional characters and this, but do you have to forbid people to do it ? It's actually nicely done most of the time, and it's actually good when it fits the characters backstories. I don't think that the creator of that famous WC MAP wanted to hurt anyone, they just wanted to let their creativity go. In my opinion, it make some people aware of these kinds of these situations after they weren't aware of it. In any ways and especially if it is used wisely. So please, people that lived that, know that it must make you suffer that people make fictional kitties sing on this song and I am hoping y'all get better, but I am just stating my opinion, nothing else. Thanks for reading this (sloppy ?) comment, and hoping you'll understand it :)

I could eat this song up, gosh I love it. Probably the main offenser of my phone telling me “you know if you wanna keep hearing this good you might wanna turn down the volume”

this has been my favourite song for 4 years

ok but oleander>hayloft

Oleander flowers can also symbolize destiny and understanding . It can show that you are sensitive to how other people feel and that you want to make peace in difficult situations. i think this song is about a person who has severe mood swings and lashes out at people but their partner (oleander) is there to help them through everything. and if oleander leaves, the person wont know what to do with themselves anymore. :)

The first three lines sound exactly like the relationship between myself and my best friend. Which is honestly terrifying.

loving p much everything ive come across from this band , so glad to have stumbled upon them

Eureka is my everything and this song I cant describe with words how much I love it aaaa

This hits even harder if you've had this kind of relationship with a parent.

I love this song so much, I named my cat after this song who recently had passed away❤️ i’ll always love mother mother so much

AMO OLEANDER💟

The orleander like another commenter said, represents young love. It's a flower that is so toxic that a single pedal can kill an adult, but is beautiful to look at

this song reminded me of my past with this very toxic person, they constantly made feel like shit and it was horrible

Yess it finally reached 1 million views

This song gives me studio killers meets nashimoto-p.

Idk if anyone else relates, but this song makes me think of my mom

This is my favourite song from this album. i love the chorus

This song reminds me of my first relationship, man. Except I was the (unintentionally) toxic one. I regret it every day of my life, and the guilt was so overwhelming that I almost did something *really* bad to myself. Glad I'm able to be a better person from that, though

this song is permanently imprinted onto my braincells, and that's not a complaint, this is probably my favorite song from Mother Mother (and that says a lot coming from someone as indecisive as me), i absolutely love this

this is so cool sounding!!! i love it so much

My new favorite song

This really hits hard for me, as someone who has had many people leave my life and as a result I've become really clingy, and I constantly worry that people will hate me/perceive me as toxic for it... "if you leave me, rest assured it would kill me" is exactly how I feel about so many people.

This, hay loft and oh Ana ARE LITERALLY THE BEST SONGS I-

ART

Hehe that’s my name

I’m here from ThistleclawxSnowfur MAP, and yes, indeed, this is my new favorite song 🌚✨

This was my first mother mother song i stumbled upon. Still as good even after 5 years!

One of favourite songs ❤

oh wow they do transition nicely into each other

2:09 HER VOICE HERE PLEASEEEEEEEE

/dad voice/ so uh. boyfriend to death, huh?

i just search randomly for the word "poisonous flower" and the word "oleander" appeared so i search it for it and found this song from the same band that make music "Back to school"

Beautiful! I haven’t been interested to this album but this is changing my mind

Thank you boyfriend to death fandom for introducing me to this song.. now im hooked

the last part 2:36 - the end gives me vibes of like a person breaking a bunch of things in a room, just destroying it for some reason

on one hand oleanders are poisonous flowers ☠ on the other hand they simbolize destiny, understanding and high sensitivity and empathy

Still my favourite album

I don't know why but it gave me night in the woods vibes

I just wished to share a story I created from this song. Basically, the character is called Nerium (like the first name of the flower Oleander), and she was born with her nails being toxic, which is weird, but yk... that is the thing I thought about, and the reason why I made it like that is because Oleanders are extremely poisoning, and if im not wrong, if you eat one you'll most probably die, so as a representation, her nails are the petals of the flower. Anyways, let's continue....In her story, her surroundings are as toxic (or even more) as her nails. At some point, she gets so tired of this enraging situation of exploitation and stress that she decides to rip off her nails (ouch) and make the people who made her feel guilty eat them. For the grand finale, she decides to eat one of her last nails to give a closure to herself, but she soon realizes that it doesn't have an effect on her at all. With a mix of rage, relief and regret she just thinks about what she's done and continues her life. Ta-da!!!

muy buena cancion

this hits close to home in the way where the singer is the abused.. the person theyre singing about found them when they were mentally unstable, helped them, and when they couldnt show signs of growth fast enough, that person dropped them without thought and the person singing is left even more tortured than before. although its from personal experience... please remember, if you cant have the patience to help an emotionally scarred person, PLEASE dont try. it only leaves the scarred more wounded.

The drums are amazing!

pinche canción espectacular

My fav mm song! Its so underrated i think

SUCH a good song

damn dude that's very good

It's the sort of toxic relationship where one person takes on the role of the guardian; whose job is to entirely and completely care for the other person no matter what they're doing, and always side with them and take care of them no matter the cost, even if it hurts you, because you're their flower and they would do anything to protect their flower Exactly the type of relationship I had last time

love how this reminds me of my parents😃

I don't know WHAT it is but I've had this for years now. Like.. Every time I listen to this song it reminds me of some other song but I can't put my hand on which one. No matter what I just won't remember. Do you have an idea which one I could mean?

It feels strange listening to this, being someone who has been on both sides of this type of relationship. BPD is a bitch. I was never really abusive myself, just... a l o t for my partner to handle, too much in fact. Which was.. reasonable. I've grown to be better at controlling myself but deep down? I feel like i'm always going to be an unfixable mess.

i love this song

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Amo estaa❤