Thanks for sharing!! I enjoyed it!

Cool. I'd pay a lot of money to suddenly be endowed with your experience and fabrication skills.

wow love it

They were used a lot in pacaf Us plain enlisted got the c-12s if we were lucky They got the c-21s

It was a fun run ! @@danoc51

😆😆

I was thinking the same thing you might not wanna sit down on any of the seats unless you're adventurous and willing to throw all caution into the wind and already have your stds under control and that craft has been setting so long bringing it up to speed would take a lot of money

If it dries it dies.

@@mrt601 The restoration would cost some money. Being outside doesn't help, but it looks like she's been kept sealed up as far as doors and windows, which is good. The "401 Forever" videos give a good look at what can happen when a plane is left open to the elements. Things like small ports, the engines, pitot tubes, etc. would be worth a look, as far as whether they were sealed. Then, it would be a top to bottom inspection, and a list of stuff to repair or replace. Definitely a project, but on the positive side, one heck of a provenance.

@@DEP717 Probably worth more as spare parts.

Bwahaha!!! You did go there! 😂

@@justinoliver1984 i went there too in my comment above, i found this later....

This was the first one I seen.... I figured there'd be multiple along those lines lol. That's a given with any member of Mötley Crüe.... 😂

Best comment ever!

Jimmie they're called STRAKES not rakes

Yep they are the original and always look amazing

I have a friend that used to fly Clay Lacys Lear jets out of Van Nuys. I wonder if you have crossed paths? He used to tell me about the awesome performance of those planes. I asked him many times if he could get me a ride in one but that never happened.... you are indeed a lucky guy!

Clay Lacy: Legend

I worked for Clay as well. KVNY. Much love bro.

​@@grantyentis5507I worked line service 2008-2009.

Awesome story! I’m an aspirational pilot too but I got bit by the flight bug pretty late in life (I’ll be 45 in a few weeks). And I also experience my love of flying through flight sims. I started with some more accessible, non-sim games (GTA 5 Online, War Thunder) before starting on DCS World. It’s a huge challenge learning to fly a Bf 109 K but I absolutely love it! I have a nice set of VKB hotas gear and I actually built my very first gaming pc about 6 months ago specifically to fly in DCS World. I’d love to learn to fly for real someday, but I wear contacts so I’m not sure if that would hold me back. Being able to fly a 109 or 190 in a sim might be the closest I’ll get, but I absolutely love it! 🙂👍

Been 25 years since I had the pleasure of flying a 35, IIRC the spoilers became active for roll control with flaps 20 or greater…?

I miss my Starcheck days. Great memories and almost all 'tell me a time' stories are from flying at Airnet. I'm still a freight dawg flying Triples now.

@@nikh9080 well at least you're never going to have to go back to ATL because a passenger had diarreah throughout the plane 🤣🤣🤣

So what am I missing? Why would anyone even be bidding on this if it can't be flown again?

@@trvman1 salvageable spare parts are often worth more than a complete aircraft

I worked at an FBO too, and we rented Jets to celebrities and political figures mostly......we actually Banned Hillary Clinton and a few others, because they let their pets piss and shit all over the place, spilled wine, on multiple occasions.....

as we all can tell today, all that shit caught up to Big Vince

Smoke a fatty and get the munchies.

Pure diazapam munchies

​@@HesTNTonPMSGiggle snort tee hee, boy did it ever! 😅

Good luck on your surgery bud! Here's hoping 19 is the charm. Thanks for your service and I'm praying you get a roof over your head sooner than your surgery!

Keep up the fight at life you're worth it! Start a gofund me and push it in the comments. Maybe start a KZfaq channel of ur life on the streets. It has to be interesting.

Thank you for your service🙏💯🤗

you may be disabled but those immigrants are staying in nice hotels along with a $2000 per month check.

Keep the faith brother...you're not alone. Sending love from another vet...

Thank you very much!

Thank you brother.

Yeah, I was on a waitlist for a C-21 at Andrews that was returning to Germany when some General hijacked it and it ended up running some generals back to Barksdale via Meridian NAS. Ironically I had started my trip 60 miles from Barksdale... I ended up on a C141 reserve medevac (aka Nightingale) run that left very late due to weather and then stranded us all at Azores. (I was cussing that random unknown General for days) My flight out of Azores (only plane on the schedule) was a C130 check flight. So we spent a full day flying circles with 12 pilots and an instructor over the Atlantic. They stayed WAY too late to get the last pilot over-water certified and we actually landed on a closed runway during a heavy storm at Rammstein. At least I was back to Germany! I asked about that C21 at the terminal (it was BASED in Rammstein humorously enough) and yeah, they arrived the day before early after leaving Shreveport and that was with having to fuel in Greenland for the big hop. So I cussed the unknown Generals a few more times with more feeling. After a long wait for a C141 and a full day delay after I was "rostered", a 15 hour C130 flight and waiting on a closed runway under a wing for someone to get clearance to get us off the runway.. the person answering my question started laughing with my cussing. She said I had one of the more entertaining Space A itineraries she had heard in a while. I beat it years later with a "Space A" flight in a E3 Sentry on a live mission. Actually had an Air Force O6 as my "host" -- I always wondered what he thought about the US Army E4 who got command approval for a ride along. I was shocked they said it was okay as long as my command approved. So I flew on a bunch of flights, including KC missions. (refueling armed aircraft)

I took a C-21 flight from Naples back to Sigonella Sicily back in the 90’s. I was a lowly E4 in the navy returning from a medical appointment. I remember it was the last flight on a Sunday night and some officers weren’t so happy about me taking up one of the empty seats

I live next to march aftb

Where did you get your information from? I looked everywhere and it says nothing you said about they took his jet.

@@darrenkellman5780 Found it. Look for "Rock Star Launches Air Charter Service"

And now Mr Neil is too "rotund" to fit in a 35.

Sounds like Vince won out on that one then, this plane paid his debt, then within a few years I'm guessing the EPA shut these birds down because of noise. Hed have lost a million dollar plane

Not strictly true. Vince was involved with a Scottsdale based 135 operator but was not the principal. The hope was his name would generate more business. However the Vince Neil fleet were on Aero Jet Services AOC. If the AOC went bust then the planes would have been seized, but it wasn’t Vince as the principal owner.

20 series were barely Stage 2 airplanes. But it's the Sound of Freedom!!

30 series were whisperjets by comparison, Stage 3 from the get-go thanks to those lovely Garrett 731s

Were these faster and more manuervable than a Gulfstream G5?

@@dunhill1 You're comparing and 9,000 pound airplane to a 48,000 pound airplane, so it's just not apples to apples but the Lear climbs faster and the Gulfstream has a faster cruise.

Hey driver- do you still have a jet? Can I fly with you somewhere??

​@@stevenstrain283 Ok then, so why don't you answer the part of the question that I didn't: which is more maneuverable?

Jimmy , back when the band broke up I was working in the haz-mat business and a guy came to work for us in Deerfield Beach FL area and told us he was Vince Neal's pilot, he told us the story about the band and that he had the plain at a local airport he flew in because his mother was having heath issues and would be in town until the band called him back , is that plane neer Deerfield Beach ?

Vince also sold black hair dye, in China.

No existing STC for a g3000 in a L35 but universal avionics had an upgrade done for the C-21A which brought it up to modern standards. L35 service ceiling is only 45k

Agree. L35 is 450. @@rmoore7734

It will go to 390 ANY TIME, 410 most of the time and 450 when it's cold (ISA minus at least 10) up there.

A gm ignition key with the octagonal head would open every Lear in the country when 35’s were new.

So why will it never fly again

Probably the closest to military level performance you can get in a civil transport. The 24B I flew weighed around 7000 pounds empty but had almost 6000 pounds of thrust (The CJ-610 turbojet was a non-afterburning version of the J85 engine used in the F-5/T-38/A-37). Even at the gross weight of 13000pounds it would climb directly to 45000' in about 25 minutes, on a hot day. They were such fun...

@@johnparrot4426 i just remember how quickly we were at altitude and hoe easliy the plane maneuvered in the sky. It was definitely enjoyable.

I'd be interested in the time on the engines, as well. If not timed-out, a hot section and possible repairs would cost more than a house.

Could it be converted to a non pressurised soft top to get around the corrosion issues. Fly with the wind in ya hair like in the old days.. Just a tad faster. 😊

The TFE731 engines aren’t that expensive. About $150-200k to do a hot section and $300-400k to overhaul. Some of the newer Pratt engines are close to $1M to overhaul. Plus there are used engines out there you could buy for less. Most likely the airframe maintenance is what makes this one uneconomical to return to airworthiness.

Quite an assumption to say it’s grounded due to corrosion.

What if he promises to only fly under 5000 feet and only go 500MPH? No pressurizaation needed then!

@@nostolgia4712 I was thinking the same thing.

how did he get two Lear Jets? They are very expensive to maintain, in fact, today they are brutal to keep up-to-date.

@@dabneyoffermein595 They fell off a truck. Fuh-gettaboutit

Somewhere between the 24B and 24E they lost the stylish (but useless) "bullet" tail... I liked that styling detail... nice Mid-Century touch... like fins on cars, lol.

I enjoyed a 23 n 24 from 87 to 92. Best flying in my life. We loved those birds.

My father was a test pilot for Learjet, and eventually moved to Eaton Corp to fly. I believe he was involved with the Softflite modifications. I grew up flying with him all over the country, until regulations prohibited it in the mid-80s. Rough life!

@@ntldr2005 I remembered after commenting that I did fly that 25D with a Century III wing and then we took it to get modified to the Softflite. I sincerely tip my hat to your Dad, something to be proud of for sure.

LOL the good old ‘go fast switch”…IIRC a circuit breaker to kill the stick puller. Yup, bad idea, sure its got the thrust to get to .83 or .86 but then you hit turbulence/wave/etc then Mach tuck, aileron snatch/buzz…rookie/‘test pilot’ then puts the boards out to recover, then it ‘tucks’ even worse. BUT fly it by the book and you’re rewarded with the very best, and one of the safest of light jets imho. Just amazing numbers especially considering it was designed 60-odd years back when Lodestars and DC-3s were the typical corporate transports…

You are correct. He had a charter company based out of Vegas. He along with a couple of partners owned it. I have known Vince casually since the 80’s from my days in Radio and television. I think he acquired a total of three or four planes.

@@kobartlettyeah ok we all believe you

@@hulkhoganstights6596 Naughty

This aircraft was sold by the government in 2014 as surplus. It was bought by a museum and sold to the current owner in 2017 and is in west Palm Beach. The engines are Garrett TFE731-2-2B

@@kobartlett there were at least 3 business jets I could track down that Neil's company had converted to "Rock star style luxury charters" for his company. This Lear 35A (N21VN), a Hawker 700A (N323JK) and another Lear 35A (N58MM). They all were decorated with the same style flame decals on their noses.

Be careful of what you say. Jimmy and this jet are like an alcoholic sitting in front of a full bottle of fine Scotch.

Deja vu from the Elvis jet lol

It'll never fly again.

6:07

He is waiting for the price to exceed $200,000.00.

Long Island ?

@@CFITOMAHAWK yes

Yeah , there were hard points built in the wing to attach a pylon for various equipment.

GIII nice step up! And yes, that would be awesome.

2013.....of course.

They (BizJet?) did come out with a 'hush kit' for the 20 series but the expense/performance hit coupled with the age of the airframes meant very few were modified. Also too there was a Williams engine swap but I can't imagine the high altitude performance/expense/aging airframe would have made that tenable...so in the end the 20s like all other grand old turbojet planes flew South😀

And a geared turbofan, at that-the TFE-731 along with the Lycoming ALF-502, almost 50 years before Pratt's PW1000 series. An elegant but complex solution to getting fan/turbine/compressor stages to turn at their happiest speeds.

As an A/P you will know the cost of getting this to be airworthy again... a lot more then it's worth....

Why will it never fly? Too expensive to fix? Not airworthy? What?

The 35s are prone to corrosion and it’s a complicated and expensive fix. Think there are also some mods that need doing, sure someone will know what exactly. The engines are really expensive ($200k!?!) to overhaul if they are out of hours. Bet there is no history (logbooks) for the plane which also complicates things. 😀👋🇬🇧

@@buttonmonkey6845 The cure? Deep pockets. Buckets of currency, paper printed out of thin air back by NOTHING.

@@thyslop1737 IF the airframe is in airworthy condition, and given the corrosion Jimmy showed us on the belly it probably isn't, you are still talking 500k to redo the engines, 800 k for the hush-kit, probably another 250 k at least for avionics. you could make it fly if you really wanted to, but it just isn't worth the money it would take to get it in the air. you can get much better planes for the 1.5 million it would cost.

@@mazwa2007 I have a check right now in my back pocket for 2 million just burning a hole in my pocket. Maybe I should take the plunge.

Well, you'll need power if the hooks were still engaged and the door was pulled tight...

@@seanoswa1829 True. But on the 35s, you can only run the hook motor from the inside of the plane. The only other way out is the over wing emergency exit which looked intact. That said, I’ve had to break into a plane using the emergency exit because the hooks came down and were catching on the top half of the door, so you very well could be correct.

Correct the motor pulls the 2 doors together and into fuselage .

@@benseamans1972 Sorry boss, gonna have to disagree with you. On the 30 series, as well as 20's, bottom door has key slot. When turned, key operates motor; motor pulls down hooks. Close top handle & back-off hooks as desired; been locking'm this way for decades. If lower hook are over top door and left battery (as I recall) has pooped, then ya gotta problem--I've had to swap rt to lt battery a couple of times because entry/bag lights were left "on". Ever had to use the 7/16" socket to get the hooks released because the motor died? This sux! And yes, I've gone through the over-wing a few times. Almost rather put the masks back together when turning the O2 knobs the wrong direction! Cheers!

@@seanoswa1829 Oh wow. Well, none of the 25, 35, or 36 I flew had one. A couple of the planes so flew did have on the top half a rotary lever door latch that could be locked using a key, but that was it. This is why I think this plane is so interesting. On top of its high performance, they were so customizable from the factory, and then owners added/ removed/ changed so much, that each plane is unique. I don’t even remember reading in the manual that a key slot to run the hooks from the outside was even an option. (Last time I studied the manual was more than just a few years ago though, so there’s that lol) Thanks for the info.

Oh WOW a Slowtation owner is here!

@@sophiejaysstuff4026 Well I might be (relatively) slow, but I do own a jet! It's actually around the same speed as a Honda Jet, but for a lot less money. The Lear is definitely faster. I have type ratings in the Lear and the Citation.

Amazing! Thank god you told us about your personal jet

@@hulkhoganstights6596 Yes well please tell us about yours too. My contention is that the plane isn't so old that it can't be brought back to airworthy standards. The biggest problem is the lack of logbooks. Without them, the plane isn't even worth the parts, since many are time limited.

Lear 35s absolutely had electronic locks. I remember my dad unlocking and locking the one he flew for a number of years in the ‘80s when I was a kid.

There was no belly fuel. There was an aft fuel tank.

Doors aren't power operated but if I'm not mistaken the doors are drawn tight with an electric motor. Been a lot of years since I've worked on them but It seems I recall someone stealing a motor out of one I had aog to keep a charter flying. It was returned with a payment for use but that operator almost went to prison for that.

Aft trunk tank

@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 you are correct, it was tip tanks and under the back seat and baggage floor in the 20-30 series I was thinking of the 55&60 with a trunk tanks.

What happened to the checks? Were they sent away to some depot to be processed and incinerated?

Which company did you fly for? I flew checks at night for a while too.

@Craigjordan121 I wasn't a pilot I worked on the ground for a company call AirNet Express they were based out of Columbus but had offices all over the country.

Any idea why it was parked?

Probably cheaper to operate a newer airframe, then to pay for required upgrades and mx!

lol Vince probably hasn’t flown on this beater this century 😂

Cap!

...and liver

But the fuselage on the plane is slimmer than Vince's.

If we were comparing the condition of an airplane to Vince's voice these days, we'd be looking at an old Convair 580 sitting on pallets at Davis-Monthan.

I thought you were going to say liver

Not at KSMO. We had to be really careful to not "ding the bell". We had a special briefing and procedure for that airport.

From what I've been able to read from the FAA I would agree with you, but there must be a good reason its only 65k - which may explain the reason you can't open the door!

That’s what I thought. The 20 series was the loud one.

Again: You MUST have battery power to open the door.@@jamescronin7742

They're really interesting engines as well (if you're into that kind of thing!). They're geared turbofans, so similar to the Pratt and Whitney GTF that powers the new a320neo. Quite advanced for their day.

I've heard of L39 owners putting in the modern equivalent of the Garrett TFE731s which are now made by Honeywell. The Honeywell variants were on the Bombardier Learjet 45 with the proprietary DEEC (Digital Electronic Engine Control - basically a FADEC) which paired with the Honeywell Primus 1000 avionics suite in the 45. What some L39 owners did was take out the old Soviet-era engine and APU and put the TFE731 with the DEEC unit which allowed for battery start and increased the MOTW by about 1000lbs and allowed for more fuel to be carried increasing the range as well as a more efficient/powerful engine which increased speed/altitude capabilities and turned the L39 into a very capable IFR cruiser as well as a mainstay on the air show circuit and in many civilian military contractors which provided aggressor pilots to go up against Hornets, Vipers and Raptors in training exercises.

@@happypapi1903 Well that is a very interesting tidbit.

Pink Floyd, 'Money' mentioned 'Think I need a Learjet'. Checklist in the song I recall was from 'Learning to Fly'- they mentioned 'mixtures' so likely a piston powered plane. David Gilmour is a licensed and enthusiastic pilot as I recall 😊

Among other things! That might not have been Florida on the window and Jimmy stuck his fingers in it, Eew!

I'm on board for the scraping crew. BYOP, Bring Your Own Pipe.

I imagine that's why Vince had to park the plane, because fueling it up was cutting into the dope bill.

All that resin residue added so much weight that usable capacity was just the pilot.

You would put 250 into one side then go over to the other side and top it then go back to the other side if it was a full load. I never did 25 gallons at a time, and never tipped one.

His dog Spot flew in style!

I think the manuals said 100 per side then switch unless both were filling simultaneously

@@groundopsnick2758 may have been. This was 1982. I can’t remember anything but getting yelled at then having to climb a ladder just to get to the right side nacelle. I was also adding Prist anti bacterial and it was dark. So I was more concerned about my test the next day ( I was an engineering student at the time)

@@craigkanning1762 we used to say “here’s Cal Worthington and his co pilot Spot!”

They are stall fences to help prevent spanwise flow on the outer half of the wing. That can cause tip stall at lower speeds.

ho humm. We didn’t perk up in the cockpit until the GS broke 600 kts or 690 mph

One time, between KSAF and KBWI, I saw 640kts across the ground. It was a short trip.

I've never understood this type of boasting about a high groundspeed. Why not just say: i once had a 170 knot tailwind. I guess that doesn't impress people enough? Because on the return trip now you're doing 310 knots gs. No one ever brags about that, right?

You comment is totally fair, but it is fun to realize you are above the speed of sound across the ground.@@toddsmith8608

@@mmayes9466 I bet you made the big jet jocks sick with jealousy, overhauling them.