Motogymkhana. Crash collection 2021

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Motogymkhana. Crash collection 2021

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Kestas Li

Күн бұрын

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@thomasblake7046 Жыл бұрын

If you do motogymkana you're eventually going to have some spills. It's the nature of the beast. I had something similar happen, I was going too slow around the cone and the bike fell over. I was still standing up and never fell to the ground. When I was stepping over the bike to walk away, I tripped, fell hard and broke my ribs. I may be the only idiot that hurt themselves AFTER a motorcycle crash. To anyone attempting to do this, wear good gear and get crash protection for your bike. It will drop. Multiple times when learning and even when you become proficient at motogymkana, you can still drop the bike. Know this going in. I've had multiple drops with no damage to the bike and luckily I've never been hurt other than that one time. It was barely anything and I still broke ribs. Hurt for three months. Even at these low speeds you can get injured. Just be prepared. Great video and it's good for people to see what goes into this. Appreciate the upload.

@KestasLi Жыл бұрын

Hey, sorry to hear about your injury! Falls in MG are quite common, I was not hurt as bad as you but yeah, some minor bruises here and there (mostly Ego :)). My (also other riders) experience is that most injuries are due to legs/hands stuck under the bike when you fall. Fortunately this happens quite rarely but yes, I owe some extra riding days to my boots and gloves :)... Other thing is reason behind these crashes- I had very small count of crashes happened due to grip loss. In most cases I was just trying to lean more by decreasing speed until it was not enough to keep the balance. It is necessary to keep speed and lean more to turn tight, I found these exercises with running decreasing circles are quite useful to work on that (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o5h3p5WVs7u0aaM.html). Thanks for sharing and comment!

@thomasblake7046 Жыл бұрын

@@KestasLi thanks for the reply. I'll definitely check out those exercises. Thanks for the link.

@grahamhill9461 2 жыл бұрын

Dropped my bike yesterday practicing U turns and stalled. Next time I’ll disconnect my airbag jacket 🤦🏻‍♂️ it’s a lot of fun and I’m enjoying your vids mate.

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! And sorry about your airbag jacket :)... Are you making videos during your training? This is really good way to get feedback if you riding alone. I usually make ~4-6min runs practicing one element, then make few min break to review material right on the spot. Then ajust and make some more runs. It also happens that crashes are also caught on the video- not much of learning value, but quite fun to watch and share later :).

@jackq1086 2 жыл бұрын

I watched another video of yours that looks like you have mastered the technique, so thanks for showing what it takes to get to that level. On many of these drops, it looked to me like your eyes went down. The old "the bike goes where you look" adage.

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for comment! Yes, I have tendency to stare at the cone or ground, this disturbs sense of balance and quite often leads to drops and crashes. I did some training sessions where I actually placed "fake" cones around riding place. Then I try to switch my look around these "fake" cones and not to stare directly to the turning points or ground. This is quite helpful technique I think, only problem is to keep the habit when these reference points are gone :).

@stanislavostrovsky5194 2 жыл бұрын

Have you noticed that most (maybe all) drops were in right hand turns? This may be a symptom of trying to do too much with the right hand in terms of counter steering and break/throttle control. One thing to try is to focus on pulling the left handle bar back with the left hand more then push forward with the right during rh turns. That may smooth things out for you.

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for comment and ideas! I haven't paid attention that almost all drops are on the right side turns! But what I noticed from my other videos is that turns/rotations to the right are smoother (and probably little faster) than to the left side. Have no clue why this happens... Also I started to think that maybe I "feel better" turning right, risk more, crash more :)... For example link below is with timed "Triangle GP 2R" run. Somehow for me right side turns looks smoother, tighter and faster. And left side turns quite clumsy, not enough angle etc. Again, something to think about next season :). But yes, thanks for suggestions, will play around with these! Timed "Triangle GP 2R" kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iZd_Y5WVq7_Jknk.html

@erdemsahin5668 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@murddraals 2 жыл бұрын

Some were really funny ones. Congratulations with your progress!

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It seems that I mostly progressed in crashing than improving my riding :)... Although I must admit most of these crashes happened at the first half of season- later I was able to pull out of these "ooooh f...k!" situations with the throttle or just slight ground tap with my foot.

@murddraals 2 жыл бұрын

@@KestasLi Yes, I noticed that. :)

@MotoJim2020 2 жыл бұрын

Some of those drops looked painful. Thanks for sharing.

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

They look worse than they were in reality :). I think one crash was when my leg was caught under bike protection, this was not that pleasant but next day I was completely OK. Also kind of "fun" experience was that front tire slide where I crashed at little bit more speed than usual... Fortunately nothing serious except bruises and few sores here and there :). Thanks for comment!

@MotoJim2020 2 жыл бұрын

@@KestasLi I need to practice my low speed turns and u-turns. I'm bad about practicing things like that.

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

@@MotoJim2020 Yes please do this! Strictly speaking I was amzed how fun is to play with all this "slow speed" stuf! And what surprised me most is that this stuff should not be that slow :)...

@spider121 2 жыл бұрын

What crash bar did you use bro? Does it really protect the bike? Would love to fix that on my bike. Its hard to improve when you have that thought to not crash your bike.

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

These are crashbars from the company called "Crazy Iron" crazyiron.lv/. They are based in Latvia and Russia (I'm not sure if ordering from these countries makes sense to you). They work extremely well- except for few minor scratches no damage to my bike yet. Basically you should look for kind of "stunt" type of crashbars, they can withstand multiple falls and still be in good shape to protect your bike. I also use front and rear axle pegs to protect brake and gear levers, they also help to keep brake calipers and discs intact. There are also specialised crash bars for motogymkhana from the company called SSB ssbfactory.com/, they are light, non-intrusive and also extremely expensive (IMHO). These are produced in Japan by the guy called Sakuta, he is also one of the best MG riders in the world.

@spider121 2 жыл бұрын

@@KestasLi appreciate the reply bro. Will definitely look it up. Keep up with the videos. Enjoy every single video. And thanks again for all the sharing and knowledge

@CyberGasty 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, frame and wheel protection is tailored made for your bike or you ordered specific gymkhana crash bars somewhere?

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, protections are from the company called "Crazy Iron" crazyiron.lv , they make accessories for stunt bikes. Stunt protections works well for motogymkhana too, although they are little bit on heavier side. Usually protections are made for specific bike model, so you just find yours in the list and order accordingly. Motogymkhana specific protections are made in Japan by the company called SSB ssbfactory.com/ . They are light, non-intrusive and IMHO quite expensive. If you have engineering, mechanical and welding skills you can build protection by yourself, I know some MG riders have custom made protections :). Thanks for watching, have great fun and angle :).

@danileichenkovv 2 жыл бұрын

I think you're improving your acrobatics skills as well! :-D On a serious note, you're good! Keep on!

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Quite some years ago I was on the military parachute jumps training and these "landing rolls" exercises were quite substantial part of the training (I think these are called PLF, "parachute landing fall")... So maybe now it pays off 😀.

@danileichenkovv 2 жыл бұрын

@@KestasLi Well I had no military trainings but also had bunch of “landings” during my pit bike course to get my knee dragging 😀 Just check your other videos! Very good! I think I’ll start my trainings next spring. I have to add a gage to protect my bike. A bit scary without any protection.

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

@@danileichenkovv Sounds cool, and yes, bike protection is very helpful for learning slow speed stuff! Waiting for your crash videos next season, heh :).

@user-zz2ty3rk3d 2 жыл бұрын

ファイト。日本

@TrizerFlame 2 жыл бұрын

Now I don’t feel as bad about dropping the bike from when I took the MSF. I’m hoping to be able to practice more once I find a bike.

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Heh, nice to hear! I think if you prep your bike properly (crashbars + pegs), then you can drop it many times without any significant damage. Really helps to build your confidence and skills! And yes, use timer in your practice and you will be amazed how fun and motivating is to ride even these simple cone courses :). Thanks!

@tomjones8883 2 жыл бұрын

Where did you get the crash protection?

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, these are from Latvian company called "Crazy Iron" (crazyiron.lv/). They mostly make stuff for stunt riding, but crash cage works well for motogymkhana to (although it is little bit on heavy side).

@royromero8496 2 жыл бұрын

Triumph,s 765,s don't really have a great turning radius

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for comment! I'm riding 675 RX 2015, just out of curiosity compared specs for 675 and 765. It seems that 765 is little bit longer (2065mm vs. 2055mm) and have larger rake angle (23.9 vs 23.4) although differences are not that great. Also both models have same wheelbase. I never tried 765, so cannot comment if it turns better or worse than 675 :). And of course 675 turns are much wider than KTM390 :P... I was riding KTM last season and it damn turns in place even with such lows skills as mine :).

@kenlocke9806 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. I just wonder, what do you think caused those drops?

@isthenishanth 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like no counterweight technique for low speed turns

@kenlocke9806 2 жыл бұрын

@@isthenishanth , I am no sure, I was hoping the OP could enlighten us. But my best guess is too much front brake and not enough rear brake.

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for watching! Most of the drops are loss of balance because of not enough speed- too much pressure on the rear brake, speed drops and you end on Mother Earth :). Only episode where I really lost tire traction is from 0:16- I was playing with front brake while leaned, grabbed front too much and lost traction in a blink... Not very pleasant sensation I would say! So use your front brake firmly but gently :). Also I think quite much to the drops contribute my tendency to look at the ground or cone in front. It makes difficult to keep balance and situation awareness if you loose sight of surroundings. Thanks again, have great fun and angle :).

@kenlocke9806 2 жыл бұрын

@@KestasLi , wise words. Thanks for sharing the experience.

@parthaukil007 2 жыл бұрын

You needed counter balancing in low speed

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for the comment! In motogymkhana the way to do tight turns is to lean with the motorcycle, counterleaning in my understanding is more usable in regular street riding. As I record videos only from MG training sessions, then yes, no turns with counterleaning are there :). I'm subscriber for MotoJitsu channel, he makes really great content, I have learned from him a lot of good stuff!

@charlesm.8807 2 жыл бұрын

Where did you get the crash bars?

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hei, these are stock crash bars from the company called "Crazy Iron" crazyiron.lv (or www.ebay.com/usr/crazyiron.eu). They mostly specialize in making accessories for stunt bikes, but some components work well for motogymkhana to :). I purchased this "Cage PRO" version. They also make similar cage with the dampers (there are springs mounted behind plastic sliders) which helps to reduce crash force transfer to the motorcycle, but I thought this is little overkill for motogymkhana. I think one drawback of these crashcages are weight- I think they add ~6kg when mounted. There is other company from Japan making crash bars exclusively for motogymkhana, they look really nice, are lightweight and non intrusive. But the price seems for me on the higher side... This company is called SSB and is owned by one of the best MG riders ssbfactory.com/

@CPalanysamy 10 ай бұрын

my friend you are not counterbalancing, you have to place your weight on the opposite side of the turn on those very slow speed turns.

@KestasLi 10 ай бұрын

Turning fast and turning safe requires different techniques. I was aiming at turning fast, as you can see not all attempts were successful ;).

@aka_pierre 2 жыл бұрын

I have no idea what motogymkhana is, but I feel like at some of those lean angles (at slow speeds), you would be much better off counterleaning and/or hanging off the opposite side of the bike. Maybe that's not permitted in motogymkhana, but it's definitely what I was taught to do in our beginner's motorcycle training courses.

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for comment! Other name for motogymkhana is "motorcycle slalom"- just run through course marked by cones as fast as possible and this is it :). I still mastering my body position, in motogymkhana they mostly advise to "lean with the bike". That means more/less neutral position. Because cone course is quite tight, there is not much time to hang of as in track races, so it it better to stay neutral. But yeah, I must admit my position is too static. Something to work on next season :).

@jindoekful 2 жыл бұрын

6 months...a year?

@jindoekful 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video....how long would say will take a beginner to ride like you?

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, I'm beginner :). I got motorcycle license end of 2019, was hooked on motogymkhana and train whenever I have time (not much :)). To be honest I didn't improved my results much during this year (e.g. was able to shave off ~0.5s on GP8) but yeah, having fun in my opinion is more important than loosing sleep over fractions of seconds :). So I would second MotoJitsu kzfaq.info slogan here- "shut up and practice" :).

@atfortyfivemotovlog5814 2 жыл бұрын

What caused you to drop? Just curious on the main cause. I also dropped my bike several times during practice as i think i donot have yet the proper skills on the cluctch and throttle specifically during u-turn and u turn from stop.

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, almost all drops are loss of balance, basically going to slow, too much rear brake, not allowing handlebars to turn, etc. Only episode with loss of traction is from 0:16 where I grabbed front brake too much and learned "limits of traction" hard way :). For me most difficult skill to master is to lean the bike hard when speed is relatively low- my brain refuses to believe this is possible and I either panic and put my feet down or drop the bike :). Look at the link below, there is Aleksey from Riga running "Pita GP" figure- you will be amazed how steep his lean angle is even when the motorcycle barely moves forward! I don't use clutch during these exercises, but yes, in street riding situations clutch skills are really useful. Thanks for the comment :). kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qqemfbV8v5vcfX0.html

@atfortyfivemotovlog5814 2 жыл бұрын

@@KestasLi thank you for the feedback. By the way what is displacement of your bike in this drill

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

@@atfortyfivemotovlog5814 Hey, thanks for watching! All these crashes are on Triumph Street Triple 675R, so must be ~675 cu/cm :).

@velocity6124 2 жыл бұрын

That was fun.. What do you think the cause of your drop? too slow? too much break?. Trying to learn as well. :-D

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, most of the drops are loss of balance- too much brake, too slow, not allowing handlebars to turn. Often this happens as side effect of starring at the cone or ground... I think only one episode is pure loss of traction from 0:16- I was playing with lean and front brake, gabbed front too hard, lost traction in the blink and next moment was sliding happily on the pavement :). I also had few episodes of loosing traction on the rear due to aggressive throttle/rear brake, also front sliding on quite deep turn, but somehow managed to escape these, so nothing to share :). Good to hear you are mastering motogymkhana to!

@velocity6124 2 жыл бұрын

@@KestasLi Learning additional skillset not really to compete. But more on additional tools to help me get away in certain unexpected scenarios. Sharpening your skills, the more safer you are in the road. keep it up. 👍😎

@alekssaff 2 жыл бұрын

Buy and mount killswitch please. One day you can be no so lucky as always.

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, yes, absolutely makes sense! This video is from the last season when I was riding without idle adjuster. This season idle adjuster is mounted on so I installed lanyard killswitch to. Already had few falls, everything works like charm :).

@user-fu3dc3iu3f 2 жыл бұрын

속도가 낮아서 트랙션이 없잖아...

@jindoekful 2 жыл бұрын

And like 20 drops?

@KestasLi 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, maybe not 20, but ~10'ish - we were joking that most folks ride 20 years and fall only once, and we do 20 falls in one year :)... I think guys who practice MG fall quite lot, but probably because of different reasons than I do- they ride on the edge of available grip, I mostly just loose balance and drop the bike. Kind of different things :)... All the crashes happened in the parking lot and in relatively slow speed, thankfully I never crashed on the street.