Indeed. This chap is paid to be there by the manufacturer, probably using footage supplied by the manufacturer and employed by the media giant Bauer Media. Find an independent KZfaqr (not one of big established names, they're just as bad) and you'll often hear a completely different story.

@@tonyparker7356 Mostly because those KZfaqrs don't have the frame of reference nor the knowledge Neevesy has built up over the last 15 years.

@@MaxxMotoDotBe often you don't need it. If you're looking at buying a new 'Hornet' and you've ridden the other current models but haven't ridden a sv650 from 2007 I don't think you're at a disadvantage. Id rather read / watch a few owners experiences, that have actually lived with the bikes rather than just ridden them for a weekend. Interesting none of the main issues with my bike appeared in the mainstream reviews, printed or KZfaq, yet are present in almost every indie ) owner review. Ultimately if you value these that's great but I'll look elsewhere for a balanced view.

@@tonyparker7356 Well, it's pretty clear this is a first review after a short testride by an extremely experienced journalist. User reviews and long term reviews will pop up later and you can watch those then. No need to put this video down.

@@MaxxMotoDotBe let's just agree to disagree. I hopped on my bike and the strengths and weaknesses were pretty apparent in the first 30mins, again the negatives largely didn't appear in any of the mainstream reviews. As I've said they're great for understanding the spec sheet but for how 'good' they are I'd rather rely on a test ride, especially as everyone's priorities are different etc.

You can bet everything that you own that he does 😄

they should have stuck closer to the concept designs

I really hope there will be some nice aftermarket headlights, I think it would completely change the overall appearance.

Exactly, not something that you would give a second glance, even trident looks smacking infront of it. Only if it was styled like cb650r

@@kankit230 biggest issue is that the Display is so far back. Universal Round headlights won't really work on this. Unless someone comes up with something to combine both

@@h00tybunter The thing I hate the most other than the headlight is the portion of subframe that's sticking out on the sides , it breaks the flow .

Lots of twins, yes, and I like it! But they all differ. Take the Hornet and the NC750 engine, two very different characters.

You can blame the 650 ninja for starting this battle. Best to test ride then all then buy a big bore kit for the enfield.

Must be cheaper to develop for Euro6

@@MadKingJorge - Europeans should really learn to shut up and stop bossing people around with their air pollution panic.

Yeah I don't get it. They all seem to be falling over themselves to make a 270 degree p-twin, with short strokes. Meaning higher revving engines than typical v-twins, and torque further up the rpm range that most people don't be riding in the majority of the time. My 890 Adventure is the same.

Same here. 2 hr test ride & I placed the order. Roll on August. I certainly didn’t need a full day on the bike to get used to the throttle or the Hornet fast like steering, at first yes but just like any new bike a half an hour on the beast & it feels like home.

Looks like crap. 07 is way better

@@Sinister_fartbox apparently you're not the only one that likes the alien-ish styling of the MT-07. I never understood why so many like it though 🤷

@@glsracer I felt that way you feel, before I started trying it irl. And it grew so much. The best thing is just how it’s acts and sound on the road. I’ve got the black 2022

@@glsracer i have had a lot of people walking up to me and complementing it, even some old school bikers

@@Sinister_fartbox love MT looks, also suzuki's new head light design nowadays, cb or this one's not that bad too tbh. though these are easy to change with aftermarkets.

I'm hoping for a Tracer 700 style version!

I want a Tenere 700 version

The low price is the selling point

@@jimnagel5611 why are you shouting Jim?

Yep. It looks like a Honda! And there will be new colors in subsequent model years.

@@jimnagel5611 uhhh no, they just trigger a simple question. And make you look simple. Not sure why you got so defensive over a question tbh.

@@jimnagel5611 no. That would be yourself. Mate I asked a question and you’re trying to escalate it into something else. Might wanna take a look at yourself. There’s just no need for the defensiveness really. Be better next time. Peace

older and british

Yeah, that's why i moved from nakeds. Had many, like them all, but was a bit tired of the wind, my area is very windy.. Got a T9 now, it's amazing

Same thing, this and the GSX 8S were both an utter letdown. I get that it's a budget bike, but they could've really infused it with some aesthetic flavour. We know Honda can do it, looking at the CB650R which is (not exactly but still) this bike's predecessor. A little more could've gone into making it look like a "Hornet" and not the boring child of the NC750N and CB500F. GSX8S is half a step better in looks, and looks to have higher end components too but still not quite there.

Agreed, Ide have been much happier if they had just bored and stroked the current 650 I4. Which is already a more low and mid range focused I4

@@toofastnobrakes YWhat next ? An electric Hornet ... Please Honda no further sacrileges

Could not agree more. I used to have a Hornet 250 (Yes, it's a 250 and not a 600, it was mainly sold in Asia). And that engine can really scream! With redline at 16000 RPM, it kinds of sounded like a old V12/V10/V8 F1 car!

Totally agree. The new hornet would have been a peach with that same I4 as the cb650r… I’m also disappointed in Suzuki for jumping on the p-twin bandwagon with the GSX8S… that bike looks so good but give me the gsx-s 750 in-line 4 any day.

It's unbelievable that they put this, otherwise we'll sorted, bike out with that jerky throttle.

@@humandroid53 Seems only in sport mode is there some jerkiness.

True. And here in Blighty the roads are indeed cold and grimey for 7 months of the year. Maybe the Dunlop-shod bike might feel a little different?

I think the jerky thing is not major, and mainly in sport mode. What lack of feedback?

Yeah the Suzuki is what the Honda should have looked like if Honda sticked with the concept

Agree

Suzuki seem better at getting a smooth throttle response.

@@humandroid53 and suzuki has wider 180 section tyres too instead of 160 on the hornet

You Sir are Spot on ..all manufacturers Have to cut Back on the Energy they have to use to Build Motorcycles Twins much Cheaper to Produce Its just Economics. the world is getting Poorer & they have to Build some Bikes the Masses Can Afford That Suzuki 8S looks great

hold on until you see the new suzuki gsx8s, im guessing the motor will be quite similar, but less end power but a tiny bit more torque lower but the design of the chassis can be a deal changer, although it will also be more expensive.

@@josemariashearmandemacedo5841 Probably it will be a smoother engine, as it's got twin counter-balance shafts, unlike all the other 270° parallels in the middle-upper displacement range, the 890 Duke being an exception with a balance shaft in the top of the engine. I was listening to the engineer speaking with a European journalist about his experience with how it behaves, runs, feels. The engineer was quite pleased and surprised how lively it was, how eager it felt, how strongly it pulled out of corners. We'll have to see. Honda has a bore/stroke ratio of: 1.37:1 A compression ratio of 11.0:1 Suzuki 8S: 1.20:1 A compression ratio of 12.8:1 MT-07: 1.17:1 A compression ratio of 11.5:1 Sort of gives you an idea how the engine will feel and where the torque spread will be.

You can find videos taken with professional riders in safe conditions. These videos are mede specifically to highlight the differences. Basically in the corners it locks the front and crashes the bike just like the abs wass not there. That's it. Up to a certain lean angle (let's say 15 degrees) they work almost the same. At higher añgles the difference comes out

It should be compared to a mt07

@@jorisjans I had 07...did not like it

Would this represent a big move up from a Cb500f?

@@martinrea8548 Yes it is quite a bit quicker. The CB500s sign out at about 7,000 rpm whereas the 750 starts to really perform from there. A longer 1st gear too, so you don't need to change up so soon off the lights. You can get to license losing speed in seconds. In my view it is as much power as you need on the road. The headline figures are 90bhp vs 49 bhp. You certainly experience it if you open the throttle and let the revs climb. Highly recommend a test ride. I ended up buying a GSX 8S. Very torquey, a bit more roomy and very stable in corners.

@@paulconnell1309 many thanks for that, Paul. I wonder would it be a bit too quick, dangerous almost. I like the look of the 8S too. I've had the 500 for just over two years now and am looking at possible upgrades/replacements. Then again the 500 is very adequate and feels nice and safe to me so I might hold on to it for another while yet. Best wishes 🏍👍

@@martinrea8548 The Honda 500 platform is great. Enough go to be fun and solid handling and quality. Quite possibly all you ever need. I found the CBR500R suspension to be soft on back roads and it wallowed a bit. Did not scare me, you always knew where the bike was. It did not rev out so you had to change up exiting a corner often. The Suzuki 8 platform handles better. As for power, this is a smooth bike with no surprises, so it will not catch you out. Only as fast as you ride it. Have a test ride when they turn up. Or ride an 8S. I use the quick shifter at normal commuting speeds. Great. Good luck with your process. My suggestion is ride a few bikes when you are ready.

@@paulconnell1309 thanks, Paυl and Happy New Year too you. 🏍👍

same here 👍🏽🤞🏽

Tuono isn't a first bike really. You'll never learn to push the Tuono to the limit. Better to get something 2nd hand. Something light with approx 90bhp. Whatever looks coolest to you. The Tuono would be a great 2nd bike.

MT-07 or Z650 would make great 1st bikes to learn on. Both have plenty of power but it isn't wild or untamed power. I think the Hornet 750, the GSX-8S, the Tuono 660, the 790 and 890 KTM are all a good step up from the 650 class in terms of power, torque, overall chassis and suspension capability.

Life’s about having fun, if you have the experience to ride a Tuono get one, I wish I never sold mine, it was an incredible bike. I honestly don’t understand bikes like this, it seems boring, sooner or later you’ll want something different 🤷🏻

lol, right......i hear ya all too well on that philosophy....i expect to see a ton of these around here in LA as commuters.......

@@Critastic these are delivery bikes, as exciting as going to the dentist for a root canal operation

@spiderwebsider Try a Street Triple.

@@markharrison2484 I have one.

Original hornet >>>> new hornet

I had a CB300R for a while and loved the "Neo Cafe" styling which I think Honda pulled off really well.

@@PhilipBallGarry I had one too and it was a great little bike, one of my favorites. I I could afford to keep it and had space I would still have it.

@@DaBinChe me too! It was a bitter sweet day when it went. Bigger bike helped sweeten it but ideally if money and space had allowed, I too would still have it

Yeah for real lol!

Smooth, high revving, peaky engine doesn't match the character of a superbike?

@@ByronWWW "Sound" I'm talking mainly about the sound - you missed the point. I never said these were not good engines.

@@Mickey_BauerHonda Hornet sounds like this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bdORaLmarLKmhHk.html

I think if you add some of your own styling to this bike it would be a looker too, obviously not "exotic" but a Ermax sportscreen, maybe a cowl + hugger for the rear just to make it a bit more bussy (distract from the skinny tyre) The PRICE!! I cannot believe they are pricing it below the MT07

I never had the old model but am disappointed. I was looking for an upgrade to my slow nc750x but this looks just so cheap and frankly like a Kawasaki er6 from years ago. I'm spending elsewhere.

@@tonyparker7356 honda never intended this bike for people looking for exotic expensive bikes Have you seen the price? Its cheap ffs And yet its better built than the competetion, its a steal for those that want a naked UJM standard

@@Surpriseify I don't disagree, I guess they looked at the mt-07 and thought, 'we want some of that'. But it'll leave previous hornet owners cold and we've no way of knowing if it's better built. It looks awful imho, in honesty like a previous gen cbf125 but with a 90bhp engine. It looks cheaper than a CBF300 in honesty. If you only priority is bhp / £ then I guess it's got the market licked but for, even as a Honda fan, the MT-07 makes a more compelling case.

@@tonyparker7356 disagree 100% I have walked around and sat on it Feels MUCH nicer than the yamaha MT 07-09. Feels better than my old CBF650 even, panels fit together perfectly and materials feel and look much nicer. Makes the MT look and feel like a cheap toy tbh. It has always been an awfully made bike tbh, but the cheap price has justified it. Honda has just given the entire middleweight segment the middlefinger. Here is a more powerful, and more advanced bike, thats better made, and oh Also cheaper. Looks are obviously subjective, i can tell you it does not feel cheap when you look at it up close, and evidently it rides well. The MT was infamous for being a pretty poorly handling bike, this one evidently is not.

We got lemon, cherry vanilla, chocolate cherry and my personal favorite - gray. :)

For those who turn 19 and want to jump on a more powerful bike than a 125cc the 500f is a good bike. Also its been out for longer so cheaper and more available parts. And I assume the miles per gallon is much better on the 500 than this bike.