Bought the ND1 and powered it up more than both.

Exactly, put them through an autocross course.

Two silly boys are missing the point of these cars and are playing game of stupid. These two cars are all about the emotion that is the joy of driving on back country roads @ affordable price. You can extract so much out of them and still stay on the reasonable side of legal when no one is watching is highly rewarding, leaving memories that make life worth living. Roof down MX5 is a winner, roof up F86/BRZ wins. Toyobaru brings added practicality to this equation. I have owned both.

@@stanmarks3950 good summary

Fair take! - Mike Stevens

There is a fair bit more than just displacement that goes into sanctioned racing classes. I don't see why many wouldn't have the both of these cars on track together without time penalties.

Brz will have a huge aftermarket though

@@mojojoji5493 the mx5 has a large aftermarket it's self. Baring the no turbo or supercharger on ND2 yet (ND1 has both)

@@pkkiller_apathy4568 uh? Ok I didn’t say it didn’t

Rev hang isn’t an issue when you’re driving hard it disappears. However around town it is definitely noticeable

Wrong. Fastest lap time wins. BRZ is also gonna be easier to live with as a daily driver and you can throw your track tires in the rear with the seat folded down.

@@thetacticalape8852 the BRZ has a slower lap time, you know that right?

@@freddarau look at lightning lap 2022. About 5 seconds faster than the fastest miata lap...

@@thetacticalape8852 with the same tires there will be no big difference. Also the miata has double wishbone, wich in Mountain roads helps a lot

An absolute hoot to drive. We love it. - Mike

You mean the *half new BRZ righg

you race suvs at the lights up to 120+ mph hmm? Sure you do.

@@Youcallthesebagels_ t nd2 will spank on the track

@@giannithedapperbarber sounds very unlikely by the numbers the new 86 puts.

BRZ had the same engine since 2013. Miata updated in 2018/19. 2017 and Older miatas don't even stand a chance lol

Yes but, datas are data...

@@VladooDIY And sometimes data isn’t terribly relevant

@@richardhoulton4016 That's true. In this case, I am looking for changing my GT86 to the GR or the MX5 ....and I can't choose. Both car are so good... Even minor detail will help me pushing my decision.

@@VladooDIY You should also consider the new GR86/BRZ. It’s great. But all 3 are great

@@richardhoulton4016 yes, I was speaking of the new GR86, In eu, we have only the gr yaris or gr86.

Considering how they're priced, that's probably a realistic idea for a lot of folks! - Mike

Cheers Keith!

@@alexinwood2723 Thank you brother. You guys do a fair and honest job with your evaluations. I wish your crew health and strength!

😂 you're a 🤡

The Miata is significantly lighter

lol

I’ve been saying that for years. Mazda already has the fricken engine! They could change their motto from zoom zoom to win-win!

It would destroy the porsche boxster if it did and the transmission and differential needs to be heavier brakes heavier bigger tires and chassis would flex and distribution of weight offset....price would go up too.

@@Thesaviorsway heavier is old school way of thinking. The first Miata 1.6L eng weighed approx 290lbs at 116hp. The latest ND2 Miata eng weighs approx 287lbs but puts out 181hp. On the track there’s a reason the Miatas race and win against cars with much more hp then it has. Adding a turbo doesn’t add much weight. Therefor u don’t need massive brakes with 2,300lb cars. The Lotus Elis Cup 260 is another incredibly fast car on track with its supercharged 245hp 1.8L eng but only tips the scales at 1,950lbs.

Using either car to drag race is just silly. That's the point of the comparison. They are both momentum cars.

Yep

It would get hit by taxes on cc and hp. Can't giving it both and lose affordability. If Subaru used 1.6l turbo with stage one tune it would be faster than the current 2.4l brz. But possibly less affordable in maintenance.

Having had the pleasure to drive both cars the miata still handles better. Even if it's slower

@@mythicalducky double wishbone

That's why I really love the RF Miata. I personally think it looks fantastic, as a hard top, while still giving you the top down option. Even if it does add a little bit of weight, you're still under 2500 lbs. BRZ or Miata comes down to personal preference, and really can't go wrong with either

I think the MX-5 is better in most ways but it is less practical. The MX-5 is a very high quality car.

This MX-5 is 2.0 Litres, 135kW, 205Nm.

It does sound awful in this review. If I was to buy one, I would probably ask the dealer to unplug it, and then see if the natural sound sounds reasonable over a period of time. It is a pity that there is no on/off switch for it, or a sound volume control for it.

The GR86 definitely does that too for a cheaper price and being more practical, you act like it weighs 2 tons and not 1200kg

@@broshido2745 how does it “do that”? Unless you take to it with an angle grinder it’s got no hope of doing what I described. No hope at all. ( I know there was a drop top 86 on the drawing board, damn pity Toyota decided there wasn’t a business case. Would have been a cracker!)

@@meyou8033 Nevermind, i thought you were talking about driving enjoyment and not about literally the outdoors, i personally love coupes, so that’s again personal preference

@@broshido2745 Cheers mate. I thought the “ forest” reference was pointing to a drop top. Not sure I’d enjoy the same drive through a desert!

mx5 is more fun for twisty roads, brz/86 is more suitable as a daily driver. I'm 6ft, and i struggled for room inside the mx5. Brz was the better option for me.

its why the car is so affordable. Nobody buys a Brz or a Wrx for a luxury interior. Even the Nissan Z and Mustang have cheap outdated interiors. Stick to Euro cars, if you want the luxury looks.

For me, for the price, I very much like the interior of the BRZ S. It suits the car. Sat in one a couple days ago, and I was happy. The rotary temperature controls and the push buttons below them are terrific. Very easy to adjust whilst on the go. It so much better than cars with massive screens, needing to go through menus to do any simple adjustments and thereby are a distraction. Cheers.

Based on this review, more than 3. :)

Do you like the BRZ better? I am between the mx5 and GR86. I like them both

@@user-se4tk2jj8cThey are both great cars and it’s hard to pick which is best. The RF was probably more fun “road car” and is more fun more of the time, but the BRZ is more capable and far better on track. The kicker though, is that the BRZ works as a semi practical daily. The load space is on another level to the RF and the useless backseats can actually carry passengers for short trips with some front seat compromise. I’m 5’11” and have sat behind my 5’4” wife driving for a one hour trip and it was tolerable. The RF could never be your “only car” because it’s a toy. The 86/BRZ could be.

@@richardhoulton4016 thank you Richard. So overall, are you happy with your decision or you have some sort of buyers remorse?

@@user-se4tk2jj8c No remorse

Regional differences. Americans say Zee Europe says Zed

@@yincrescentartworks6010 I think everyone in the world says ZEE besides Europe

Ever Headset ot British and American English? There is the answer.