Tech Advice: Electric vs Mechanical Gauges - Roadkill Extra

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@southronjr1570
@southronjr1570 6 жыл бұрын
You can use copper line instead of the plastic, I was sprayed once by hot oil and stopped at a hardware store in BFE to fix it and found the copper line. One tip, leave at least a good foot or two of the line free to move between the engine and wherever you secure it to the firewall to keep from creating a stress point in the line when the engine moves differently than the chasis
@kleetus92
@kleetus92 7 жыл бұрын
Or you can use copper tubing... Mechanical gauges work all the time, so if you're trying to troubleshoot it, you can see what it does during cranking or after shutdown. Both have there place, it's a matter of personal preference.
@ltcfan1979
@ltcfan1979 7 жыл бұрын
That's awesome. I work at Ideal and when you took out the tool, I said, "That looks like a Stripmaster". Made in the US since the 1960s. Almost everything on it is made in Sycamore IL. Yours appears to be missing the handle sleeves.I used to work for Auto Meter back in college. They are just a few miles away. Thanks for the free plug Freiberger. Love the show!
@Stale_Mahoney
@Stale_Mahoney 7 жыл бұрын
engine masters need to to a flywheel test with a race flywheel and a stock and maybe something in between so we can see if it is like the fans, hit like so they can se :)
@Blasterxp
@Blasterxp 7 жыл бұрын
ståle starheim great idea! flywheel must make a difference
@Frietpan
@Frietpan 7 жыл бұрын
hmm faster reving = more hp? or vice versa? heavy flywheel may cost more hp but has more momentum so perhaps more tq? :O yes we need to know :p
@hommebizzare
@hommebizzare 7 жыл бұрын
ståle starheim A heavier flywheel is like putting the motor in a heavier car, it will make the engine rev slower but carry more kinetic energy at a given rpm, making the engine less sensitive, but it will not alter performance per se
@toolman9081
@toolman9081 7 жыл бұрын
I would love to see engine masters try to get Diesel torque from a pump gas engine. That would be awesome.
@Stale_Mahoney
@Stale_Mahoney 7 жыл бұрын
Martin Fisker: not so sure about that, as a light flywheel will be less mass for the engine to pull around, sure the engine itself will not lose hp but the heavier flywheel will most likely steal some hp compared to a light one, much like radiator fans as the engine need to deal with more resistance hp should be lost, like how a heavy driveline will make a engine have less whp than if the same engine had a lighter driveline, would be interesting, as for me i got a 29 pound flywheel but consider to put on a 14,5 pound one during next clutch change.
@sienile
@sienile 6 жыл бұрын
I personally prefer mechanical oil gauges. A charging or ground issue can really screw with your readings and that's not a risk I like taking with something as important as oil pressure. Just take care in routing and securing the hose and you'll be fine.
@HigherWisdom
@HigherWisdom 7 жыл бұрын
I once needed a new ferrule for my oil pressure gauge. The first auto parts store I went to wanted $1.39 for that little dinky ring. I thought 'screw that', and went down the road to the next parts place. The second place wanted 8 cents for it. Eight cents! That second store got more of my business from then on! No matter what the part is, it's good to shop around!
@flinch622
@flinch622 Жыл бұрын
Those plastic lines are cheap, but if that's installed... better keep a spare kit in the glovebox. The ferrules always crush, and if that line breaks, all new fittings are needed to get back up and running.
@ourv9603
@ourv9603 7 жыл бұрын
DAVID, RE : Alternate Gauge Mounting. Have you ever heard of the Richard Petty gauge skew ? Richard would have his mechanics rotate all his gauges so the needles would point UP when normal. Makes sense. He didn't have to READ the gauges, just look at the needles. Pretty sharp !
@GMdrivingMOPARguy
@GMdrivingMOPARguy 7 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty common racing thing to do. I've never done it with ancillary gauges like water temp, oil pressure ect. But I always mount my tach so the shift point is straight up.
@MrTheHillfolk
@MrTheHillfolk 7 жыл бұрын
OURv Yea , I always set up my tach so the needle is somewhere I like it at redline, I usually make it the 3:00 position. that way you see a level needle and you shift.
@KyleP133
@KyleP133 7 жыл бұрын
This is common in racing, it's also relatively common in general. You may notice in most cars, at least older ones before gauges were more about function than style, if everything is in normal operating ranges, the needles should mostly be pointing straight up. The main difference with racing is the orientation of the tach.
@jeffleblanc8850
@jeffleblanc8850 5 жыл бұрын
Very common it’s like your tach I set it in the middle so you shift in the middle of tach same if you know were your oil pressure runs you set the gauges so the needle points strait up it’s nothing new been doing for years
@Shane-Singleton
@Shane-Singleton 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of electrical gauges too. I bought a 69 malibu from a guy and the plastic oil tube broke right at the gauge and squirted a nice amount of oil all over the transmission hump carpet. I replaced it with an electrical one. Also, as many are, made by Autometer. I think my biggest like is the fact that you can crimp your own wires to the desired length to keep everything nice and tidy. I'm a bit OCD when it comes to stuff like that.
@demonic4774
@demonic4774 7 жыл бұрын
I worked construction for 30 years so I had excess to heavy equipment gauge clusters I always ran stewart and warner gauges they are super accurate and super heavy duty and come in any and all configurations you could want and they are american made and still in business they however are mecanical but the equipment gauges come with copper oil lines so no melting on a manifold the water gauge has heavy duty sending unit with a spring wrap so no kinking god I love those gauges.
@moeshouse575
@moeshouse575 7 жыл бұрын
great info on the oil gauge line. i went to brake line tubing. a little harder to run , BUT you only have to do it once.
@Mosin-lf7wl
@Mosin-lf7wl 7 жыл бұрын
DF, Not a collet. The brass compression ring is called a ferrule.They do make soft copper tubing in the same size, 1/8". Had a plastic one break-you're right, quite a mess!
@Reckec
@Reckec 7 жыл бұрын
You didn't mention the one major advantage to mechanical gauges ; the full sweep design allows you to see the system being sampled in smaller increments. Longer sweep let you see say 51, 52, 53, 54 etc... Versus 50, 55, 60, 65... Tends to be more precise (not necessarily more accurate).
@StrapMerf
@StrapMerf 6 жыл бұрын
you can do that with electric, just not over as large a range, just over a small operating range, with too low or too high on either side.. ultimately do you need that precision or accuracy, for everyday cruising I say no(seriously, how much time do you spend looking at gauges and how much time looking at the road??) Best setup would be to have your gauges, (what ever flavour you want) and have fast acting switches(high temp, low oil, low alternator output... all the critical ones) wired to a buzzer.. buzzer sounds, check gauges and shutdown.. buzzer can even be hidden to keep the oil classic looking stock and original..
@sebastianpadilla6045
@sebastianpadilla6045 7 жыл бұрын
The way Freiburger gets tired just by talking about the work needed to place a mechanical gauge 😂
@zogmontanastyle7348
@zogmontanastyle7348 7 жыл бұрын
I have the same wire stripper, given to me by my dad back in the 80's. they work awesome. he got them while in the Navy in the 60's, so they have been around for a while. good ones to have
@moeshouse575
@moeshouse575 5 жыл бұрын
great job on the plastic oil line. i had one split and kicked out a oil mist that felt cool. and reg copper will fatigue. i find steel or nickel / copper brake line work very good.
@buddylight2191
@buddylight2191 7 жыл бұрын
Those wire strippers have been out for years in one form or another. This 61 year old mechanic prefers the mechanical gauges.
@mikes9939
@mikes9939 7 жыл бұрын
I first used the wire stripper you have back in 1970 when I had my first job after the USAF. I was working for a large German company and we sold and I installed medical X-ray equipment to hospitals. At the time all point to point wiring was done with multiconductor cables and had to be soldered. This required a lot of stripping and we used the very tool that you are holding in your hand. It is not new but works super good and is fast and reproduces the same cut time after time. This saves a lot of wear and tear on you hand.
@texarcana2002
@texarcana2002 6 жыл бұрын
When you set up your gauges, make sure that, when operational at nominal readings, they all point UP. That way, you don't have to actually READ the gauges: you can glance at them and see that everything is alright, and know at a glance if something is wrong.
@MechInvent
@MechInvent 2 жыл бұрын
Good tip
@kleetus92
@kleetus92 7 жыл бұрын
Although more expensive, they also make gauge isolators for things like gasoline and so on, so the nasty stuff stays under the hood, and you're relatively safe in the cab.
@RedfishCarolina
@RedfishCarolina 6 жыл бұрын
"90 degree sweep like this one", points to a 180 degree sweep. Love ya Friberger! This is actually very helpful. I have several aging Chevy trucks with wonky dash gauges.
@MrMonkeykiller1996
@MrMonkeykiller1996 7 жыл бұрын
I always use mechanical gauges for oil pressure and boost because it's too important to trust to a gauge that if looses connection or something stupid wouldn't work at all but for everything thing else electrical is easier or good enough
@axemastersinc3269
@axemastersinc3269 7 жыл бұрын
S&W gauges and that collet as you called it is a ferrule part of the compression fitting. Oil pressure gauges go out side of the windshield. You have the best job on the planet. 1. A cone-shaped sleeve used for holding circular or rodlike pieces in a lathe or other machine. 2. A metal collar used in watchmaking to join one end of a balance spring to the balance staff. 3. A circular flange or rim, as in a ring, into which a gem is set.
@stevenmorris3181
@stevenmorris3181 7 жыл бұрын
Installed mech gauges in early '70s. Oil press tubing was copper
@ShawnD1027
@ShawnD1027 7 жыл бұрын
It's not "ironic" that the wire stripper is made in the same vicinity as Auto Meter -- it's coincidence. :P
@TheDavidFreiburger
@TheDavidFreiburger 7 жыл бұрын
ShawnD1027 Correct. These things are not scripted, I'm just winging it and sometimes misspeak.
@ShawnD1027
@ShawnD1027 7 жыл бұрын
Gotcha. Sometimes I can't hold back my language zealotry. ;)
@bennylloyd-willner9667
@bennylloyd-willner9667 7 жыл бұрын
Hey ShawnD1027, if you put the word ironic inside quotation marks you mean something not quite ironic or other and he did say exactly that word. My humble opinion is that you did a lingo boo-boo yourself. You better smack yourself as well as Mr F 😁
@FishFind3000
@FishFind3000 2 жыл бұрын
There’s also the first company to make spray paint is in sycamore also.
@cartmanrlsusall
@cartmanrlsusall 7 жыл бұрын
in 7 minutes the equivalent of a week of automotive tradeschool
@bootyman234
@bootyman234 5 жыл бұрын
I was hoping to hear something about a significant difference in their accuracy...is there one? I am a die hard for the mechanical because I feel/felt like they are superior in that respect.
@frankdavidson9675
@frankdavidson9675 2 жыл бұрын
have you used a reed switch fuel sender its magnetic very accurate
@bootyman234
@bootyman234 2 жыл бұрын
@@frankdavidson9675 Am only aware of them now from you. I will definitely check them out.
@moyadapne968
@moyadapne968 6 жыл бұрын
**Mosin1929. DF, Not a collet. The brass compression ring is called a ferrule.**** In the trade, we call that thing an Olive.
@MrJoeGarner
@MrJoeGarner 7 жыл бұрын
I have had one of the plastic lines melt, so if you go to your local autoparts store you can get a copper line to replace it.
@13Razgriz37
@13Razgriz37 7 жыл бұрын
I almost ended up getting a job at Auto Meter a year ago. Their HQ is about 15 min away from my house. Toured the "factory" and everything is hand assembled. Pretty awesome stuff. found another job making twice as much a week later though.
@spazda_mx5
@spazda_mx5 7 жыл бұрын
I think unless you have a very good reason (a car with no electrical system for example) then electric is the way to go, nobody wants to have engine temp/pressure oil or coolant spraying around inside their vehicle.
@79tazman
@79tazman 7 жыл бұрын
The only thing that could leak is if the nylon line breaks there will never be coolant because the sending unit goes into the engine with no coolant going to the meter
@Blasterxp
@Blasterxp 7 жыл бұрын
agentbob100 I agree! signals go inside, not hi temp of high pressure
@johnbecay6887
@johnbecay6887 7 жыл бұрын
i replaced the plastic tubing on my auto meter oil pressure gauge with copper tubing....i've had it for years in a street/strip car and never had an issue....i don't know about now...but mechanical gauges used to be considered more accurate than electrical....
@888johnmac
@888johnmac 7 жыл бұрын
@ agentbob100... I had a mechanical oil pressure gauge ( I thought it would be more accurate & quicker to react ).. the tubing olive failed & you would be amazed how much hot high pressure oil can spray from that tiny tube.. next weekend electrical gauges & 20 years later won't even consider Mech
@MrRyan6616
@MrRyan6616 7 жыл бұрын
John Becay hmm
@chuckhabrack3330
@chuckhabrack3330 5 жыл бұрын
20 years ago if you said electric gauge, you got laughed out of the show. Some downfalls to electrical gauges. The biggest being the sender unit. If you hook up a Hundred dollar full sweep electrical oil pressure to a AutoZone sender you really have no interest in monitoring oil pressure. Then there is the actual wire connections. Horrible Freight crimp connectors are just about as good as twisting it up and sticking bubble gum on it. There is a difference in quality of wires that you can use. Its not just the gauge face that makes the difference, it the entire job. I did find it funny that Dave did not want to route a tube through the firewall, but will have to do the exact same thing with wires. I know that anyone who has worked on a Hot Rod has seen the singular color wire job...That maybe the best reason to use mechanical units. Like anything else you get what you pay for and the effort you put in it.
@johnwilburn
@johnwilburn 6 жыл бұрын
I learned the hard way not to use the garbage plastic tubing to install oil pressure gauges. I went copper from gauge to firewall, then a braided stainless line to the engine. Solved the breaking problem.
@kevinbowers512
@kevinbowers512 5 жыл бұрын
It's not automatic wire strippers. It's assault wire strippers.
@allenmckinney9533
@allenmckinney9533 7 жыл бұрын
If anybody wants to know, those wire strippers are $25 at lowes in the electrical department. There is a kobalt version in the tool section if anyone wants the lifetime warranty.
@Maples01
@Maples01 6 жыл бұрын
Those are made in China
@79tazman
@79tazman 7 жыл бұрын
Mechanical Gauges is my preference and Stewart Warner is my brand
@805RC
@805RC 7 жыл бұрын
I use Autometer Pro Comp liquid filled mechanical gauges in my car. The oil pressure and fuel pressure gauges are adapted to -4AN braided teflon hose. They're 23 years old and still work great.
@propaneandpropaneaccessori3446
@propaneandpropaneaccessori3446 5 жыл бұрын
You guys got rid of the motor trend app which had free episodes. Now we have to make an account. You guys keep going downhill
@hvy1ton
@hvy1ton 7 жыл бұрын
I hit my knee on a mechanical gauge pod in a dentside ford. Sprayed me and the rest of the cab with hot oil.
@kadenwatt2033
@kadenwatt2033 6 жыл бұрын
We were cutting firewood in an old dump truck (was years ago - don't remember what kind) and when we loaded the chainsaw back into the cab the blade caught on the oil line and sprayed oil EVERYWHERE. I know your pain.
@jacobaguilar6756
@jacobaguilar6756 6 жыл бұрын
i have a 77 dent side ford and had the same thing happen but it filled my boot up with extreme hot oil still got burn scares!!!
@jacobaguilar6756
@jacobaguilar6756 6 жыл бұрын
Chris Jacobs nah just life experiences and storys about them not behind the computer stories lol
@gixxer1000rr
@gixxer1000rr 6 жыл бұрын
Happened to me in my cessna, the gauge sits right above your left thigh, passenger and I both wore it that day since the airport was still Twenty minutes out...
@shaneohara201
@shaneohara201 6 жыл бұрын
Chris Jacobs say's the guy with his mother's car
@scootergeorge9576
@scootergeorge9576 7 жыл бұрын
Seems like a full sweep would be even more important with the volt meter. Even with an expanded scale, the voltage you want is between 13.8 and 14.2 with the engine running. I have a partial sweep unit and the calibration is not too good.
@thestonedhedge77
@thestonedhedge77 Жыл бұрын
Best video I've watched so far, Thanks for ALL THE INFORMATION. Very Well Explained
@kevinblair3647
@kevinblair3647 7 жыл бұрын
Love that tee shirt I too find electrical gauges to be much easier to work with and install. I like full digital ones but the cost needs to come down but they are sweet as they can be programmed to your preferences
@EvilED08
@EvilED08 7 жыл бұрын
But HELLO! That wire stripper is good for stripping a wire in the middle of it as well. Without cutting it (so that you can hook up to signal currents or whatever). Didn't you know? Now you know. ;) This is if you want to solder the connection in case you REALLY take your wireing seriously ;P Thanks for awesome videos!
@MrShine602
@MrShine602 5 жыл бұрын
I never liked electric gauges myself, I've tried them in my car and when I put the turn signal on the gauges start going nuts. The voltage dip isn't something I could see when I checked with a meter but the gauges sure detected it. Never found the cause of the issue so mechanical is all I use anymore. They're cheaper anyway
@FishFind3000
@FishFind3000 2 жыл бұрын
Could be a bad ground
@edhollingsworth2335
@edhollingsworth2335 3 жыл бұрын
You can install mechanical gauges. It's not that hard. I have used them and they work fine.
@michaelnorris7237
@michaelnorris7237 6 ай бұрын
Just a little heads up to anybody trying to installing these eqqus gauges! These are geared towards older american vehicles. It's possible, for oil I had to buy an adapter, for coolant I had to drill a hole in my radiator because the thermometer didn't fit in the existing water temperature sensor hole. Volt meter was straight forward. They work great once I got them on! Good luck to anyone who's installing them!
@619films5
@619films5 5 жыл бұрын
My electric Autometer oil pressure sensor failed 3 times in 2 years before I stopped buying new ones. Oddly enough it would work at WOT every now and then
@fairlanephantom
@fairlanephantom 2 жыл бұрын
I used to want red interior in my 56. Once the gauge side of the oil line leaked a steady stream on my carpet. Glad I stayed with brown carpets or I would have been fuming mad. Besides that, the mechanical setup has been pretty reliable for 8 years.
@bradclarke6016
@bradclarke6016 5 жыл бұрын
built a 73 3/4 chevy out of misc junk I had laying around. the best parts I had on hand. best carpet, best captains chairs. electric door panels and dash trim from late 80s suburban. sound system ect. Cadillac of square bodies. middle of the night snow storm drift busting the copper line I used got a hole rubbed in it after coming in contact with a briaded steel grounding wire. ran it till the engine coolant temp started to get warm. no of course right about the time the dome light came on I noticed the 3 quarts of oil all over the floor, my feet, ect. didn't have to wonder why the engine was getting warm at that point.
@workingguy6666
@workingguy6666 7 жыл бұрын
Invaluable for any young hot rodder. For the rest of us... where was this video, KZfaq, and the internet 30 years ago?! Would have saved a lot of pain.
@MattC87
@MattC87 7 жыл бұрын
+1 for electrical. My last car had all mechanical gauges. I used the soft copper (or brass?) metal line instead of the plastic stuff but what killed it for me was the capillary tube for the engine and trans temp. I couldn't mount the engine temp where I wanted because it was too short and the trans temp I bent the tube too much (apparently) when I was changing the pan once and it quit working. It is ridiculous how much more and electric full sweep is over the short sweep through autometer so I am trying speedhut gauges on the truck I'm building now.
@jeremyplc2380
@jeremyplc2380 7 жыл бұрын
Never going with plastic tubing again it just always break!! and when it happens a 800km from your house you just feel SOOOOO Roadkill trying to fix it ^^ Just Love the show and even if i already watched this episode on mtod i watched it again just because Freiburger just explains things so clearly that even if i'm French I can understand it and work on my own car So thank you David !!
@dwaggs01
@dwaggs01 10 ай бұрын
i live right near sycamore, they have a sweet dirt track there and its always fun to go watch races
@reelsurvival2606
@reelsurvival2606 7 жыл бұрын
love the explination of what happens when a line breaks in your car! lol
@naomisharpe3730
@naomisharpe3730 7 жыл бұрын
I always insist on full sweep gauges. I don't know why But they just seem to look more serious.
@SUPERSORNO
@SUPERSORNO 7 жыл бұрын
Which style of gauge is more accurate? I would think mechanical since it is a more direct link to the gauge and not another electrical device to alter the accuracy.
@GearScar
@GearScar 5 жыл бұрын
Electric is the only way to go. The mechanical water temp is not a big deal to connect, but the mechanical oil pressure setup can quickly cost you a whole engine if it leaks, and that little plastic line is prone to breaking/melting/leaking, and besides electric oil pressure gauges aren't that expensive anymore.
@FanelliRestorations
@FanelliRestorations 6 жыл бұрын
or as a happy medium David you can use copper line to run to the mechanical oil pressure gauge..not very pricey and stronger than the plastic!
@stevemadak6255
@stevemadak6255 7 жыл бұрын
That oil pressure line can be copper as well. Had the plastic break on me once it got older and brittle. Luckily , it broke in the engine compartment and hit the exhaust and smoked so i could see it quickly. I replaced it with copper and never had a problem again.
@heathroush5343
@heathroush5343 7 жыл бұрын
My sister's ex installed one of those oil pressure lines in his car. It melted and the engine compartment caught fire. Luckily we were already stopped and a 2L of mountain dew was able to douse the flame. He crimped the line and we continued on our way.
@bobod830_9
@bobod830_9 7 жыл бұрын
One thing not mentioned about mechanical gauges is they will continue working after your battery dies or even when you engine is shut off.
@ramairgto72
@ramairgto72 7 жыл бұрын
And most of them are water proof, or rather unaffected by water, prob not the Volts or Amps.
@y2kxj
@y2kxj 7 жыл бұрын
I hate digital gauges, they are too hard to read. Sweep gauges are the best, you just need to rember where each needle points.
@Stolencamaro
@Stolencamaro 6 жыл бұрын
He is so right my mechanic oil line broke and spited oil all over. Then again goong to electric wasnt easy as space tight sender couldn’t be fited on a block so had to run separate oil pressure line frm block to sender then to gauge, again mr fedburger is helpful as always love this guy
@Jarod1941
@Jarod1941 7 жыл бұрын
Damn good timing Freiburger. 🤘 I was going to explore gauges for my LJ stretch build tomorrow. You just made my job a whole lot easier. Thanks champ! 🤙
@gordonlawrence3537
@gordonlawrence3537 7 жыл бұрын
Along with the gages it's a good idea to get high quality ratchet crimpers rather then juat the cheap plier type as they give you a better connection both electrically and physically.
@kellismith4329
@kellismith4329 2 жыл бұрын
Solder and heat shrink. 👍
@ItsZake
@ItsZake 7 жыл бұрын
hell yeah! IDEAL!! I worked there for years, great company.
@revantheoutlaw
@revantheoutlaw 7 жыл бұрын
You can get copper line for the oil psi gauge for like $12
@brocktechnology
@brocktechnology 7 жыл бұрын
Copper line should never be used for petroleum products as copper is a hydrocarbon oxidation catalyst. This includes all your common automotive fluids with the exception of coolant and brake fluid.
@bcubed72
@bcubed72 7 жыл бұрын
I flat-out guarantee you that there's plenty of copper, and copper-containing "yellow metals" in your engine, right now, just swimming in oil. And likely some more in your tranny, as well.
@brocktechnology
@brocktechnology 7 жыл бұрын
bcubed72 -- Your confidence in this is entirely understandable, there's plenty of places in engine where copper lines and a brass bushings would seem to make perfect sense. Indeed in early engines (before World War II) there were lots of copper and brass parts. As a mechanic for the past 30 years or so I can say from a first-hand perspective that there is very, very little copper in a modern engine. The only exceptions that come to mind are the brass inserts added to plastic intake manifolds so that they can take machine screws and of course carburetor jets which no longer exist on current vehicles. Occasionally you'll see an oilite bushing in the top of the distributor but it's there because it doesn't see engine oil and needs to get by on a dab of silicone grease. Distributors of course also do not exist on current vehicles. I can't really speak to automatic transmissions as that's a specialty that I'm not involved in. In manual transmissions synchronizers are typically made from brass. A fact that I hadn't really pondered in relation to hydrocarbon oxidation before your comment, thanks for that. Since synchronizers are a wear part they are constantly dosing the gear oil with very fine brass particles with a fresh bare metal surface. Which seems to explain why the interior of manual transmissions are always heavily varnished. Don't mean to argue, just keeping the conversation balanced.
@kleetus92
@kleetus92 7 жыл бұрын
While that may be true, the oil in the copper tubing is pretty much static... it might move a quarter inch from 0-xxx PSI, but it's not like it's circulating. Failing that, the fitting holding the tubing, be it nylon or the copper, is brass.
@jacobaguilar6756
@jacobaguilar6756 6 жыл бұрын
i would only use copper when making a/c system custom for like a rat rod or somthing i have done it with connections and stuff
@michaelnaisbitt1639
@michaelnaisbitt1639 7 жыл бұрын
I like Smites gauges that are fitted to my car. They always give me a thrill when the work. which is not often. It's a real lottery pick each day
@markwilliams7037
@markwilliams7037 Жыл бұрын
thanks for the explanation about mechanical vs Electrical
@kblackav8or
@kblackav8or 3 жыл бұрын
I don't really have a problem with mechanical guages other then oil pressure and of course the obvious fuel pressure. As someone who flies for a living, "wet" guages are a bad idea inside with you. I do electrics and get high quality ones. If you suspect your oil psi is going bad, you could easily plumb it in with the sender use a T and put a little PSI guage under the hood. Depends on the brand and quality as to what you get. Cost of course is a consideration. Another thing I don't do and remove when I find them are ammeters where ALL the power goes through them. Lots of things have burned to the ground due to those.
@darcybowyer5743
@darcybowyer5743 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly why I went with electrical partial sweep VDO electric gauges in a Defender I am working on, no oil pressure line running to the dashboard what will inevitably fall off when offroading and spray oil everywhere!
@jeffduncan02
@jeffduncan02 7 жыл бұрын
Nothing on how huge electrical sending units are compared to a mechanical one, and how sometimes they don't fit, or that a mechanical gauge is (typically) more accurate, but that's okay.
@MrTakaMOSHi
@MrTakaMOSHi 7 жыл бұрын
I've heard this before, but my follow-up question has always been, "How inaccurate is electricity?" lol. A cheap gauge, electrical or mechanical, will be less accurate than a high-quality gauge.
@elesjuan
@elesjuan 7 жыл бұрын
I used to like autometer gauges... Then I bought some. In the grand scheme they're not very expensive, hence they're not very good. In fact, I think they're trash. I prefer a proper electronic gauge. Big fan of the AEM line personally.
@ldnwholesale8552
@ldnwholesale8552 4 жыл бұрын
Oil guages can come with a 1/8 ID or 1/16. The 1/8 is by far the best as they react very quickly. And never fail. Electric guages never react quite a quick though are simpler generally to fit and mount. Ditto with temp guages. And are effected by poor earths and voltage drop. Many OEM guages have that problem.
@timtucker8270
@timtucker8270 7 жыл бұрын
It's mechanical for me whenever possible. I just think that they are more accurate.
@SpyderLEE
@SpyderLEE 7 жыл бұрын
Mine are all electrical, engines in the back so mechanical would be a pain. 😉
@ph33lix
@ph33lix 7 жыл бұрын
Good swap-meet find! I use the Ideal Stripmaster wire strippers in the 10awg - 22awg size a lot in marine electrical work. I love them because they always get the job done and the blades are replaceable... I believe you can use blades of different size ranges as well especially if you find yourself stripping more of the small 22awg - 30awg control wire sizes, or 8awg - 12awg power cable applications.
@RMphy89
@RMphy89 7 жыл бұрын
I have the capillary tube temp gauge and the copper tube oil gauge on my Edsel. They weren't such a PITA but I also had tons of room to work with. Still afraid that I'm going to have oil shooting at me when day when cruising down the road.
@stevelangworthy9553
@stevelangworthy9553 2 жыл бұрын
That vice is a beast!
@DaveHiggoHiggins
@DaveHiggoHiggins 7 жыл бұрын
That style of wire stripper is older than I am. The bloody best things ever
@chipmunk449
@chipmunk449 7 жыл бұрын
We use those in aviation espically for soldering as the lay of the wire when you remove the coating stays intact.
@stevenbauer8033
@stevenbauer8033 7 жыл бұрын
My dad had a pair of very similar wire strippers (same basic design/function, don't remember the brand) back in the 60's. They look like Rock'em Sock'em robots.
@nathangresell1534
@nathangresell1534 5 жыл бұрын
Brutal truth from a man who has lived the pain himself
@user-kp5pe2cr2i
@user-kp5pe2cr2i Жыл бұрын
Everyone's different. I still prefer mechanical gauges - for the oil pressure for sure... just run a copper line instead. Autozone keeps it in stock and it's cheap. As for the choice full sweep or not... It doesn't really bother me (even if I mix the two types) because all of the gauge needles read at different angles during engine operation anyway. I prefer the full sweep style - I think they're easier to read at a glance.
@iananderson4897
@iananderson4897 7 жыл бұрын
Toledo Tools do/did have a combination wire stripper and terminal crimper, works great. Autometer does a fuel pressure isolator kit, which iirc can also be used for oil pressure, for mechanical gauges. Only problem is it's only rated to 100psi, when I was looking at it I needed a minimum 120 psi for the mechanical injection I was going to run, Lucas PI for a Triumph TR6.
@DuffusMonkey
@DuffusMonkey 5 жыл бұрын
His electrical gauge comments completely ignore fantastic smart gauges made by Defi, AEM, Autometer & others. With I started running a turbo I quickly realized that I needed a gauge with a programmable warning & with a memory to record the maximum boost hit. Smartgauges can trigger can trigger external warning lights, you can datalog the gauges, you can even use the gauges to trigger relays to keep you from blowing up your engine. At a bare minimum buy gauges that can trigger warning lights because nobody can watch thier gauges 100% of the time. You can also buy smart gauges that you can program the color, range and sweep of the gauges. It looks AMAZING when done right. The only problem is that these gauges are WAY more expensive.
@bluevette1978
@bluevette1978 7 жыл бұрын
One downside to the electrical gauges and upside to mechanical gauges is one that I have found in dirt track racing over the last 12 years. Mechanical gauges work or they don't, electrical leaves you wondering "Is there a bad connection somewhere?"
@immikeurnot
@immikeurnot 6 жыл бұрын
Learn to solder. I've never had to question any of my connections.
@StrapMerf
@StrapMerf 6 жыл бұрын
a mechanical gauge may give you a reading, but is it true? what happens when a little bit of sludge blocks the pipe going to your gauge? it stays high, and then the engine blocks the oil feed and the engine starves..
@areyouyo
@areyouyo 7 жыл бұрын
irwin i think is how its spelled but just got a set on amazon auto wire stripers they are really nice u dont even have to line up any holes just insert and strip! one of the top sellers on amazon get a pair worth every cent
@SC457A
@SC457A 7 жыл бұрын
Had some fun with 60 psi and a nylon oil pressure line. Little fire, and huge mess during a nitrous pass.
@danewman4me
@danewman4me 7 жыл бұрын
On the latest Roadkill Extra on MotorTrend on Demand David asked us to comment on what kind of tech we want to see more of; I would like to learn more in depth about carb circuits, mechanical versus vacuum secondaries and how to rebuild it myself. I loved watching Dulsich show us how to bench set a carb before installing it, I love seeing David and Mike opening up or tapping on the carbs. Having seen so many of your videos, I feel more confident about tearing into one myself, but I know there is more I could learn from you guys. Thanks for all you do!
@anthonyferrara2222
@anthonyferrara2222 7 жыл бұрын
Wish more car manufacturers would offer a full gauge option in most models. Seems most cars just have gas and water temperature.
@brokenacoustic
@brokenacoustic 7 жыл бұрын
Sadly, the average consumer doesnt care about gauges, so those of that do, have to do it ourselves.
@tx5brent
@tx5brent 7 жыл бұрын
I think you're better off with mechanical for some items, such as boost/vac. Elec gauges don't react with the same speed that mechanical gauges do. Also, if you're running EFI then you really just need a display.
@frankdavidson9675
@frankdavidson9675 2 жыл бұрын
you lost me about speed on electic gauges you star the eng oil pressure goes to 50 lb fuel gos to level of fuel in tank battery voltage about 13v temp increases as eng warms idiot light c omes when switch is turned on when eng starts it gos out (RED light) oil pressure never had a need for speed on my gauges
@jimmydionne2699
@jimmydionne2699 7 жыл бұрын
replace the plastic tubing for copper no melting or braking and the little fitting you had is a nut and ferril compression fitting
@Oliver0200
@Oliver0200 6 жыл бұрын
Mounting bracket? Ha! Who needs that! Just drill it onto the dash
@Akasnacker
@Akasnacker Жыл бұрын
Love that guy he tells you like it is!
@jzakary1
@jzakary1 7 жыл бұрын
I've got a 1981 CJ5, and I hate electrical gauges. When you've got a 35+ year old wiring system, with grounding problems, electrical gauges are notoriously unreliable. Mechanical gauges either work, or they don't. Electrical gauges can leave you on the side of the road, because of inaccurate readings.
@festa289
@festa289 7 жыл бұрын
as long as your ground cable to engine block and chassis is good, you wont have any grounding issues as this will be the only ground in your circuit. if you tee off an existing ground wire (that goes to your radio) for instance, your asking for trouble
@jzakary1
@jzakary1 7 жыл бұрын
Dude! Please don't educate me on grounds. I could write a doctorate dissertation on the subject. What I'm saying is that old cars typically have ground problems, causing tons of electrical problems, including electrical gauges.
@festa289
@festa289 7 жыл бұрын
lol what im saying is if you wire a new component properly with new wiring into you car no matter how old it is, you will never have a ground problem (unless there is a problem with the battery cable as mentioned). it is simply impossible. its only old wiring / old grounds that give problems
@fatbowe
@fatbowe 7 жыл бұрын
....BACK IN THE 60'S...EVERYBODY USED STEWERT/WARNER MECH GUAGES,,, .....WITH METAL CONNECTIONS...DOES IT EVEN EXIST ANYMORE???...''OLD DUDE''...;--),,,
@throttleblip1
@throttleblip1 5 жыл бұрын
If your looking for gauges that are made in the USA check out New Vintage USA. Some of the best designed gauges and they are also made by hand
@harrymaharaj8189
@harrymaharaj8189 6 жыл бұрын
I installed mechanical auto meter phantom 3/58 water, trans temperature oil pressure 6 years ago on my rig works everyday
@ronaldschild157
@ronaldschild157 7 жыл бұрын
What you are referring to as a "doo-hickey" at 3:44 is a thermocouple, and what you are calling the capillary tube is actually thermocouple wire. The thermocouple creates a small but significant voltage level mirroring temperature. The voltage drives the gauge's pointer. A thermocouple is basically a bi-metal passive device functioning according to the Seebeck effect.
@FishFind3000
@FishFind3000 2 жыл бұрын
It has gas that expands with temp… it’s not electrical that has a resistor that is read and displayed.
@1860CarolinaRebel
@1860CarolinaRebel 6 жыл бұрын
They do make copper tubing for the oil pressure gauge. It’s a permanent fix from then on.
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