my 86 325e came with a hand-crank sunroof similar to that. had my mechanic swap in a power system I bought off ebay

manthony225 There's usually an emergency crank under a panel somewhere if you're really wont for manual labor.

+manthony225 Agreed!!

manthony225 yeah I agree I had a 98 an 02 an 04 now a 2013 gli looks audio ish

I actually kind of like it...for the amount of times I actually open my sunroof, losing the power stuff would be fine with me!

That is the only thing I love about french cars-- soft suspension.

@@kamrankhan-lj1ng One Scottish person told me today that he used to own a Renault Laguna and drove many times each week between Aberdeen and Glasgow and loved it as it is was so pleasant and dependable in any weather as it handled the road better or comparable to the luxurious Germans.

Confoort, thy name is Reno, Citro, puzho.

@@kamrankhan-lj1ng Panhard, Facel Vega, Simca, Talbot, Mathis, Bughatti, etc.

Luc Rolland smokes crack in France like every day.

I believe it, but imagine the 80s North American boats they used for police cars were pretty bad at cornering.

@@questioner1596 Indeed, even with my Mazda, I could not reach the cornering abilities of the 505 and then later 405 that were even as good as BMWs and beating the Celicas.

@@questioner1596 The actual Chevy and Ford police cruisers were actually tuned with reinforced suspensions to handle like sports cars but a standard French saloon cars would outperform them. If you have chance try a 405 or even an Eagle Premier (Renault 25).

LOL my first car was a 87 Jetta GLI 5 speed manual with moon roof. And I'm very thankful that there are WAY better cars to own than a 80s or 90s Jetta or Golf.

I prefer our 89 Jetta over anything we’ve owned, all 3-4 cars 2004 or newer. The simplicity, feel, comfortable seats, handling, responsiveness, quality was very good. Tgevsunroofvwas freat, no electric crap to break. New VWs are just not as good. Even back to back to 1993. They lost the feel, simplicity, charm, and fun.

I had a '87 GLI that went a lot further (250,000+ miles) than you would expect. It was quirky but durable.

I love VW Jetta 1986. Very beautifull and great car. 85-88 Jetta is my favorites

@@edvinneluis2635 Jetta and Golf 85-88 is my favorites. I remember commercial It´s not a car It´s Volkswagen

I love VW Jetta GLi 1985-1988, is my favorite

Those bumpers were very effective.

ZN: 87-91 505 Turbo 5-Speed sedans were quick indeed(Turbo wagon was never offered with the Beefy Diesel 5 Speed do to problems of no room in the torque-tube/transmission mount for the "live" banjo axle )....0-60 in 7.8 seconds and that was with awful Turbo Lag, a tall 1st gear and a high 3.46 rear cog....if it were geared like the M3 or 190 16 valve,would have easily smoked either...but both the 5-Speed and horrible ZF automatic were geared for 2,000 rpms at 60 mph...and way quieter on any road surface than the competition of that era. I have a 87 Turbo 5-Speed...ride the clutch before launch (to get the Turbo spooled up)....it will smoke the tires a whole lot.

@@dmcnamara9859 Thanks for clarifying.

Man that's awesome! What were your experiences with that car?

@@Saul_Soto82 Jetta GLi and GTi is nice and greats cars

Its La Cucaracha song.

It's all about safety at high speed maneuvers without losing control.

All VW's of that era did that. Looks weird but it's save xD

My 92 GTI does. Trademark.

+ mistertee Parents had a 87 Wolfsburg GLI 4 door.....total piece of shit.....always breaking down. They also had/have a 85 Peugeot 2.5 Turbo Diesel 5 speed..Jetta was a little quicker off the line and easier to toss around......but the TD was damn quick at highway speeds...go up any grade in 5th gear. Peugeot never broke-down....parents still have that oil burning slug along with the 300 TD...............yep.....Benz rides very crude and has always had hit and miss reliability/durability.

+mistertee Never had any issues with any of our VWs...

+Tomahawk Studios you're lucky then. I had a 99 passat... never again will I buy a VW,

A bad VW is a terrifying experience. My dad still curses VWs to anyone who will listen even 20+ years after owning one. When I bought a Golf, he literally said "don't ask me to borrow money to fix it" while we were at the dealership in front of the sales guy. That is true hate.

Beats owning a Chrysler. Those are inarguably THE WORST PIECES OF SHIT EVER!!!!

Zachary P I miss Peugeot in the USA. Never owned one but loved their sportiness and French-ness...have driven a few in Europe over the years. The newer cars don’t have the same appeal and feel cheaper, perhaps because of their close association with Citroen. The 505 had a charm and a strong presence about it.

Don't count all of us in that mix.

Si1983h how your suppose to in the English languish

Puzo

Pougeot

Poo-Show.

It’s plenty of Go. These felt more fun by far than an Accent.

Its because back then they did not put the beautiful plastic cover.

B Gerbs - Don't know about Peugeot or Citroen but Renault is already in North America in disguise...as Nissan. Some Nissan's are basically cosmetically altered Renault's. The current Nissan X-Trail is a variation of the current Renault Scenic. The Nissan Versa Note is closely related to the Renault Cleo. They tend to have differing engine and transmission choices but that is commonly the case even when the exact same model is sold on both continents. Given the partnership / cross ownership /management (Nissan is run by a Frenchman who not only revived Renault but saved Nissan from bankruptcy), as well as the fact that Mitsubishi is now controlled by Nissan/Renault, I think that Renault is the least likely of all French brands to return. Renault would possibly cannibalize sales from Nissan and Mitsubishi so they would stay out of this market. Peugeot or Citroen may be another story, as they don't have such close tie ups with automakers in North America as Renault does. It may involve a purchase or merger. Fiat not only rescued Chrysler in the bailout for example...having booming Chrysler sales to lean on saved Fiat later on. A similar strategy might happen with Peugeot.

I kinda hope not

The Nissan Versa is actually a Renault Clio, so I hope they start selling the Renault Talisman, Megane or even Scenic, these cars can outmatch any korean or japanese. But I would reallt like the Citroen C5.

French cars should be more popular in USA. They are superb. Nissan should bring in the Renault brand.

They weren't built for Canadian winters, so would be the same for Wisconsin.

+Torque Effect It is 'snot' appeal (after sniffing lots of noxes) lol.

TorqueEmUp Mex-appeal for Audi’s built in Chiapa factory

Deutsch Bag

I got my white Jetta mk2 in 2013, also my first car. I still drive it and I love it.

They were making the fastest diesel car of the planet at that time with the CX. Have you tried a 208 or even 308 ? Drab, surely not ! They have a history of nice and sportive cars. With my BMW 323, I raced a 605 in the tunnels of Geneva to Lyon and could not win over him.

@@lucrolland7489 I've driven a 208. Not as fun as a Fiesta.

@@archechme And I have driven the Mondeo and they are surely drab. I will have to try a Fiesta but in the past they were very dull compared to a 205 or even 206. I have tried a Citroen C3 in the past and one recently, surely as nice as a Honda Civic, so it depends which power plant but for road holding the C3 were excellent and dynamic. You should try a 508 which is considered more dynamic then an A4 or a Volvo.

it's awful for the period. A new Toyota 2.5 makes 203 without a turbo !

+ di foo !! What are you talking about? Parts are extremely cheap/reasonaable on-line. My 1987 Liberte wagon has nearly 600,000 miles on it..only thing that's been replaced on the engine............was a water pump at 389,000miles. With a GM alternator...its costs $29.00+ at a local parts store. GM alternator rebuild-kits are available for $10.00+ on line. The problems that have occurred on the Peugeot.......is the German made ZF 4HP slushbox................that built a horrific reputation on BMWs,Jags,Range Rovers,Lincoln(BMW powered) Turbo Diesels,Volvos,etc. But with a competent transmission repair shop..................they can rid the ZF 4HP of its major flaw. my transmissions clutch-packs were drilled-out to ensure lubrication in Park/Neutral...............more so come smog-check time.

I know right. It's Perrrgeot. My French teacher actually taught some of their children before she moved to the U.S.

@May I Be Frank Shelbyville Manhattan gave us the God given right to marry our cousins!

I loved it...I am a mechanic and worked on them

It was reliable.

The Peugeot was bigger than the 3-series; it was more the size of the 5 series.

Ziegler Automotive & Co. Media Ha! Those wacky Frenchmen have a strange sense of humour. ;)

Compared to the Peuguot, that Civic was not only lighter, but it was also a manual. As for the Jetta, the Honda was simply lighter.

Cameron Alidor Speed is speed. And which do you still see on the road today?

Jake Takahashi I know. I wasn't really disputing his point; just contributing to it.

Cameron Alidor Lol, not trying to come after anyone. I just love how cars look with two decades or so of perspective.

Correction, three decades. I just made myself feel old.

DolleHengst you laugh but that's the way I've always pronounced it

Can´t hear if you say in English 5-0-5 (five o five) or as we say here in Spanish 505, five hundred five.

DolleHengst a lot of brown...... Pretty much

Haha, you should hear how we pronounce it in Finland!

DolleHengst it’s a Pouxeaut, Peugeot’s Brand for the North-American markets

soundseeker63 announced in Aug '91, however the '92 models were halfway across the pond.

Air duct fitted to underside of bonnet, atleast that way it was done later Peugeot and Citroen diesels.

it was a 4 door

Time moved more quickly, so it seemed faster.

Maestro_T Yeah, we just had lower expectations. After 180 HP Corvettes. THIS is the golden age of muscle cars. Right now. A base Accord four cylinder family car is 185 hp.

Clearanceman2 There is no doubt that cars are very powerful right now. Too powerful for most purposes, in my opinion. I actually wish there were smaller engine choices for better fuel economy. Will it stay that way? It's been that way for quite a while now. One striking thing in these retro videos is that Motorweek was actually getting very high fuel economy numbers in some cases (i.e., not just the EPA numbers which no one believes), and generally equal to or better than what they get now. Obviously the power discrepancy is huge, so one can only wonder how much better the fuel economy would be with lesser engines. (The market's love of SUV's doesn't help.) I don't personally want a return to 14+ second 0-60 runs, but I also don't need a car that does it in 7 or less on a daily basis....Probably not the most popular opinion on a car fanatic page. lol

Maestro_T Yeah, LOL I'm all for more power. Today's cars do it through turbos and 8 speed transmissions. Or CVTs. They are pretty heavy though with 20 air bags and all the side impact stuff plus electronic everything. So they need that power. The reason older cars go OK mileage was they didn't weigh anything. Trucks used to get horrendous mileage. Now it's just OK but it used to be truly awful. Son's 2002 4.3 liter S10 compact truck is rated 14 city 17 highway. My 2000 legacy is rated 21/28. Legacy is only 400 pounds lighter.

Indeed, the 505 is a real superb sedan with nice ride and the Jetta is a simple reliable car but not an upper hand one.

Really? Was that the case when the GLi hit 30 years ago though? I don't think so.

John Doe Sorry, but you have no idea. First: we never got the GLI in Germany, we got a GT. Second: yes, the Jetta was considered an old people's car from the start in 1979 and it still is. Wasn't only a Jetta thing, because every VW sedan was considered to be for elderly people and every Ford, Opel sedan too, but the Jetta was just the one they sold the most. Yes, it sold great, but the buyers were 50 years+ people.. Do you know how they called the Jetta (and still call it): backpack golf. Because they thought it looked ugly, like a hatchback Golf with a backpack. They tried to give the Jetta a better reputation by naming the 3rd gen in Europe "Vento", the 4th gen "Bora" and they were still a success.. because old people bought them). They got rid of the backpack looks somehow but it still looked like a Golf. Well, the last Jetta generation for Europe was the 6th. They don't sell the 7th in Europe anymore, because the last generations weren't successful anymore. Older people started buying minivans (like the Golf Plus) and SUVs (like the Tiguan) and younger people mostly buy hatchbacks. That's the Jetta's history in Germany.. Btw: When I told my exchange student from the US that the Jetta is Grandfather's beater in Germany, he was VERY surprised! He said American teens think this is a cool and hip German sports sedan.. Like a 3 series.. But.. hey.. They also put wrong designed German license plates on their front bumper..

For posterity, those in the know liked the Jetta because of it's more rigid body structure. Early Golfs and Rabbits were particularly flexible when run through the turns. The Golf begged to be flogged in the turns, but the Jetta with its solid rear body handled it better.