Its such an awesome plug and play kit!

Right!?

how is the mile range? is it the same?

The mikes are 8-18 miles so 5 miles less if you full throttle but if you stay at mode 1 or go slower you can get 15-18 miles

Yeah ive had a couple peeps fill them up to 200psi and they said it made a very small difference but they still bottom out easily. Its just a very cheap shock meant for kids. Chances are ill get a decent dnm shock once i do the qs165 swap.

Dang! That's a bummer, but you'll love the new kit! Hopefully she doesn't beat you up too bad!

Nice are you going to tune the controller yourself if so keep me updated id love to see the progress. Thanks alot my friend stay tuned for some more vids soon 🤘

@@EmxBrandon yes I’m gonna definitely try to tune it myself …. I will keep you updated . Thanks for the response …

@@The2011tahoe no problem im still a newb when it come to this electric stuff eventually i wanna build my own battery and learn how to tune a controller till then this kit from electro and co kicks ass

@@EmxBrandon me too bro.. this stuff is all new to me and honestly the knowledge I’m acquiring is all from KZfaq… battery building , the controllers , everything lol… we shall learn together ….

@ryan roberts hey ryan this kit is 100% plug and play electroandco has the controller pre tuned perfectly so you dont have to worry about it. As for wiring it up three of the wires are color coated and the rest all have their own plugs which you cant go wrong check out my part 1 video. I promise its super easy 👌

Ahh gotcha, you want something you can ride out of thr box. Yeah i still run my 48v mototec battery in my rsf and currently in my b1 while waiting for my 72v b1 battery, and its been an awesome little 48v that handles over 3kw easy! You could throw a fardriver 72300 s12 on a stock mototec for like 160 bucks, wire it in and your doing around 40 mph. The electro&co kit is expensive as hell and they force you to buy their motor, when the stock motor is more than enough.

@@EmxBrandon thanks a lot Bro I’m ah keep watching and learning I keep hearing the stock motor is just about as strong as the Electro &Co motor I’ll haft to check out that Far driver controller.

@burn1gotbeats368 yeah check out my fardriver how to videos and see if its something your interested in doing! The stock motor has always held up for me as long as you treat it like the small motor it is! The e&c motor just has thicker phase wire which is good for keeping heat down a bit but wont get you anymore power increases.

@@EmxBrandon I’ll most definitely check those videos out ✔️and thanks that’s good info on the motor im sure most of my runs wouldn’t heat it up to bad i ride for like 20mins and park it🤣😇.

Haha same! Ill get a good 20 min in then take a break and do that on repeat till im exhausted 😆 but yeah if you need any help just let me know!

Yes you now need to swap it to the provided motor otherwise the jit wont work correctly. And youll need 72v to get 5kw as its a pretuned controller and you cant adjust the amps to make up for the lesser 60v battery

@@EmxBrandon just installed the kit. 3 speed functionality doesn't seem to work, though. Even with the 60v 35Ah battery, this thing is scary. What did you do with the electronic brakes? I want to use them cause I'm not using it for wheelies....yet.

​@DescartesRenegade how do you like the kit ? Did you get the three speed working? I got a ebox 2.0 I'm waiting on the kit to go with my 60v battery

@@anthonymoy4471 the kit is a ripoff, lol. I learned that the stock motor can be pushed to 5000w quite reliably. The controller sent with the kit is only $100, the motor is about $200.

@DescartesRenegade yea I wouldn't have ordered it but I got it for 500 shipped . Was looking at fardriver kits and lonestar electrek kits but wanted my old motor as a spare

Negative, get rid of the fuse as you'll most likely be pulling way more than that stock 40 amp fuse can handle! If you have a nice controller like a em50, fardriver, or vesc controller they will have built in protection. Unless of course, you wanna throw in a a beefy 100+ amp fuse for piece of mind.

Only the controller needed to be swapped for this kit, later on i added a 72v battery for 5kw. The stock motor stays. But recently electro&co has increased the price and added their own motor with the kit. Its pretty easy to do though!

So theres only a tiny hill that ive rode on being where im at in florida theres basically no elevation out here but the little hill i do climb it doesnt even flinch anymore goes right up it like its flat and the way i ride the motor hasnt got any hotter than before but its also winter out here so we shall see when it warms up

Hey its pre programmed by electro and co they have this controller dialed in perfect for this motor 👌 electroandcompany.com

Hmm thats to hard to tell, it could be alot of things honestly. Unless i had it in front of me theres really nothing i can do to help. You can go through all the wiring and make sure theres nothing loose or pulled out.

It used to not come with a motor this is a recent update. They were having problems with the different variations of these motors and sending put controllers that didnt work and needed to be shipped back for a retune. So obviously it was a huge inconvenience so they now only sell it with their version of the mototec motor at a higher cost for the whole kit to make sure it works the first time.

Hey thats a big bummer i dont believe they sell the 1300w in america so im not 100% sure what the difference is. Can you send me a message on instagram or facebook my insta is also emx brandon. That way we can get in contact and send pics and what not so i can help a little better

@@EmxBrandon hi mate ive just seen this, sorry. ill find you on the other site's thanks again mate, your a legend

It's smooth as butter, vesc controllers are the best feel, but the em50 in the etm kit is very close!

Speed and power modes.

With the 1300w you have a brushed motor and need to get a 48v brushless motor to make any controller upgrade worth it. I recommend checking out electro&co as they sell a 48v motor with the etm kit and will have your bike flying!

Yup that is correct ive confirmed that myself.

@@EmxBrandon thanks for the info! If that’s the case, then it’d be better to just select “I need a brushless motor” on the drop-down menu?

@@ShogoKurihara yeah you can do that i believe they charge $300 for their motor but its supposed to handle the 72v battery better. I never had an issues with the stock motor though.

Just took the stickers off

Essentially you can cut the run time In half if your hard on the throttle

Yes the throttle response is instant, and the power is much better with the new controller. Makes wheelies alot easier for sure!

Where did you get the battery? If not from mototec I'd try to return it and buy a stock battery from mototec

@@EmxBrandoni got the battery from facebook marketplace, i was searching for the right volt and battery connector and i didn’t know it could only go up to 1200w and do you know what’s gonna happen to the bike or the battery?

@tuhxive ypu cpuld be over working the cells. Keep an eye on how hot that battery gets if you can. The stock controller only pulls 35 amps so nothing to crazy. But I definitely recommend getting either a stock battery or a quality battery from amorge.

Unfortunately there are no sprocket options for the mototec at the moment. Hopefully soon though! The ones on amazon ebay have a smaller shaft diameter, and nothing comes in 219h

Probably cuts the life in half

Basically cuts range in half going from 1600w to 3000w. And mode 1 is Basically the speed of the stock controller ls max but more torque

Its the same bike they just started getting motors labeled 1600w so they changed the name. Im assuming it helps with the appeal aswell. But same same!

Hey! Unfortunately at the moment there isn't any sprocket sets available. Somewhat atleast. If your apart of the mototec facebook group look up a guy named cmd demers he's making #35 motor sprockets and possibly adapters for the rear! Much better beefier chain!

Unless e&c has added sprocket options the new motor comes with stock 10t sprocket

Oh yeah most definitely. Some like the half throttle too. But i prefer the full

The 1300w has a brushed setup so you would have to get the brushless motor with the kit and youlld be good to go

Super easy vinyl just came right off like it was never there

Depends on the battery. 48v is dead at 39v and full charged at 54v. 72v is dead at 60 or something and full at 84.

To many variables to say for sure but just the new controller will cut the battery life in half since your doubling your watts

Yeah one of these days i wanna do suspension and better brakes especially if im gonna get a 72v battery and the thing does like 50

Maybe 10 miles? It varies depending on how much throttle you give it. Either way its going to drastically reduce battery time if you keep the stock battery in. Your going from 1600w to 3000w which mean more power consumed

@@EmxBrandon with the new controller on the bike it will still be 10 miles of full throttle use btw I am 85 pounds

Basically the controller is much better and produces more power with a smoother throttle response. But with more power it eats the stock battery much faster so a higher amp hour battery is needed to get range back. It will bring out the potential of the stock motor

@@EmxBrandon okay great thank you very much

Yup, you can see in the video I'm running the stock battery! The range just sucks.

@@EmxBrandon oh cool man thank you for the feedback love your channel u earned a subscriber 🔥❤️🔥💯💯

You can use the keys, youll just have to wire them in. Grab a set of waterproof connectors with the crimpers off amazon (same connectors they use). The on/off switch is only 2 wires and the key switch is only 2 wires, you just have to crimp on the connector for the key switch and plug it in to the 2 pin connector where the on off switch was. And it doesnt matter which wire is on which side!

@@EmxBrandon thanks so much bro modified razors alot but just got a mototec and it will be my first time upgrading the mototec again thanks a bunch bro love your vids by the way. Keep up the cool content 😎🤙🏽

@@god_seven no problem! Have fun with the mototec!! 👊

I was getting 37mph but ive seen some of the newer kits doing 40mph with the stock 48v battery 🤘

@@EmxBrandon wow that's fast for stock battery and motor. I guess downside to stock battery is the ah?

@@peterdang8107 yup exactly. Doing wheelies and just messing around at low speeds it will last pretty long but if you wanna go rip around town it dies pretty fast. And the downside to the bike is its really hard to get a big battery to fit. Especially when you go 72v

How long is the ride the stock battery with this kit might only last around 8 to 10 miles at half throttle taking it easy. And as long as your not going full throttle the whole time you shouldnt have any issues with the motor heating up or breaking.

@@EmxBrandon thank you, you convinced me. we will boost the kid

Awesome 🤘 have fun and stay safe 🙏

Bout 40mph on 48v and 50 on 72v

Top speed on 48v was 37 but most likely faster with the newer kits, this was their first version. And the battery life is terrible to be honest lol if your just doing wheelies and messing around out front it will last awhile but if your trying to mob all over town or hit trails i recommend getting a bigger battery.

What’s the difference of the range with the kit and stock

@Vve-ow1ke I haven't got to ride mine yet alot with the kit cause of snow but every one I talked to says it has the same range the power delivery of the votol em 50-4 vrs the stock contoller is much smoother and linear I would say that helps the range but then ask more to get the speeds out the battery vrs the stock controllers just throwing high amps quickly at it. I do miss the snappyness of the stock ebox 2.0 turned all the way up but its much more powerful now

Check the second link in the description its the mototec to etm kit 🤘 and i just got the base kit without battery

You can! Anything from 48v to 72v!

Yes sir! Same exact bike 🤘 just different stickers

@@EmxBrandon thanks for now I'm going to drop one tooth on the front, I only care mostly about wheelies,and Yes thanks for the reply, still don't have the bike, I might just get a wheelie bar, and never worry about. Flipping anywhere, when the bike dies then I will upgrade the motor good video.

I just realized you can keep your own battery

You gotta install it of course, but yup plug and play even with the stock 48v battery

Check out my fardriver how to videos and it will show you all you need! This video is using a kit so everything comes with it and just plugs right in

Oh yeah, even on 48v it gets pretty spicy. You really just gotta keep an eye on it and remember its just a tiny motor mesnt to have some fun on and not go crazy trying to do cinstant rallys or top speed runs!

⁠​⁠@@EmxBrandonoh okay, no wonder because mine shut off when the motor got really hot when pinning the throttle for too long. Does it heat the motor faster on the 72v battery?

@@chill-vibes5199 is this a newer kit with the smaller controller?

@@EmxBrandonyes

That could be the controller going into temp protect. I dont think the etm motors have temp sensors.

I actually spliced my stock key switch into the on off switch so it was a 2 step prodedure. Just cut one side of the on off switch wire and put the key switch wires inbetween it and youll have your key back! I think i explained it in another video but i cant remember which. And the mystery if the vlue wire still remaind 😆 no idea what it is

@@EmxBrandon man splicing the key into the on/off...I'll check your vids but a brilliantly simple solution. Wires and electricity are a black art to me so I really appreciate your help

@@EmxBrandon mystery of the blue 1pin solved (maybe). I'm told it was to disable the bike when charging. Finally, can sleep at night haha

@Dem Willams haha nice! Thats what i figured it was but its been so long since my bike was stock by the time i wanted to test that theory it was too late 😆

Let's try that again in English. What do you mean I don't ride it?

Im assuming your talking about the stock controller which wont be used anymore

@@EmxBrandon ok thanks

@@EmxBrandon so all I have to hook up is the green yellow and blue

@@EmxBrandon I'm sure I'll figure it out I just hope it goes as fast as it says

@@EmxBrandon thanks for replying

Is that how much it costs where you live? Are you talking about the electro&co vs the etm5000

@@EmxBrandon etm5000 saw 3 different versions ofc i want the fastest but i dont wanna drop 3k on it was debating about gettin the gtx z6 but i really love the dirt bike look

Gotcha yeah the etm is like 3300 for the 5000 which is the 72v theres also the etm minis those are the smaller versions but same power. You can build a mototec like i did aswell it was 1100 for the bike 500 for the controller kit in this video, and another 1000 for the battery so you definitely save a little. The etm is supposed to have a slightly better shock than the mototec and the newer ones have forged triple trees from what electro&co has told me. But if your like me and plan to mod the plastics and suspension anyways its probably best to go with a mototec. Im not sure what the z6 is, is it one of those electric grom clones?

@@EmxBrandon yup it is goes i think 55mph top speed but yea all i wanna do is make the bike go faster so the 1.9k version goin (30+mph) then modding is a better option which would still probably cost me 3k but the bike looks fun damn bruh my brain 🤣

Yeah if you dont wanna go the mototec route atleast get the full size etm whats 2k the etm mini is pretty small like a razor mx/sx with 10/12 tires and the full size has 12/14 with a longer swing arm and longer forks. Much better for upgrades 🤘

Yeah im not sure why i said 30mph lol. First video jitters lmao the etm kit will still end up the same 35ish mph. They were having pairing issues with the stock motors so they started selling the kit with theirs so it worked out of the box and didnt need to be shipped back out to re tune. The etm motor just has thicker phase cables so it handles the heat slightly better.

@@EmxBrandonhaha it’s all good , it was still a great vid and you def got yourself a new subscriber 😎 and appreciate the great response it’s good to know the situation on why it’s sold with a motor now 👍

@@F1ow3rzzk much appreciated! Hit me up any time if you ever need some help!

@@EmxBrandonI have a question I am going to get the kit and I’m only 95 pounds do you think it could get up to 40 mph

It doesnt come with a key switch bur you can wire in the stock mototec key switch

OK thank you

So far not a single issue. Yes the motor gets really hot on 72v, but im also full pinned most of the time 🤣 electro&co will have a motor soon that can better handle the 72v power so thats always an option. Either way i havent had to use my back up motor yet! As far as run time with the stock battery id say it almostt cuts run time in half depending on how hard you ride it. So if your riding all out all the time i would say get a bigger amp hour (ah) battery i recommend 72v but it looks like the controller kits that are coming out now do 40mph with the 48v which is fast!

@@EmxBrandon Nice! I'll keep mine 48v, can't drop 800+ on a 72v setup. 40mpg on 48V that's insane!

@@khoi_tran hell yeah 48v you wont be disappointed if anything youll just want more range but that can come later on down the road 🤘

With stock battery and upgraded controller around 35mph. They way it is now with the 72v battery it does around 45mph with way more torque

With just the controller upgrade it hit around 37 but the new kits are hitting 40 and with 72v 50mph

Depends on how you ride and if your using the stock battery. Maybe 30 minutes of harder riding, couple hours just doing wheelies and messing around doing slow stuff

Im about 1700 into it

From 20 mph to almost 40 on the stock battery

@@EmxBrandon awesome looking to get one

There also the fardriver option from lonestar electrek! They make a great plug and play option for the mototec and ship fast! Plus you can play with the tune yourself, i have some newer videos showing how to tune them!

@@EmxBrandon oh ok

Yes it was

@@EmxBrandon Sick, whats the top speed and range on it?

Around 40 mph but the range is terrible

5'9

Not sure honestly, they probably have that info on the website where ever you buy them. I never range tested it stock

@@EmxBrandon ah yeah I messaged the company about it but they haven’t responded. Sadly doesn’t say on website info

@@EmxBrandon for upgrades on this bike I was thinking of immediately doing a controller upgrade because the motor can handle it, but with stock battery I don’t know if it will have good range. So I was thinking of doing like 60v upgrade or a 48v with more ah. But then I would need a controller upgrade. So idk what to do

@maddoxten2736 hmm, yeah the most i can say is it would last me all day just messing around out front practicing wheelies. But it was too slow to really go out on adventures so i rarely had it pinned out.

@maddoxten2736 yeah the stock battery can definitely make some steam, but exactly the range is trash especially carrying any speed. Thats a tough one, id say controller first anyways then find a nice battery. You can still enjoy more power with the stock battery while you wait for a new one!

Double the stock speed! This question has been asked about 8 times in the comments!

@@EmxBrandon oops sorry for asking then

@@cotlon5201 😆 your good, around 40 on 48v and around 50 on 72v!

The stock battery with the upgraded controller probably lasts around 30 to 45 min of hard use. In my case i pretty much just do wheelies and stay away from full throttle constantly so it lasted me a couple hours. It all just depends on how you ride. Right now i have a 72v 24ah battery that lasts longer than i can rides but if i had to put a number on it i could probably ride for 25 to 30 miles of regular riding and wheelies. Probably 15 to 20 miles if i was at full throttle the whole time. Hope that answers your question 🙏

@@EmxBrandon yessir did you build the battery or buy it from electro ?..... Yeah I'm into wheelies I have a Grom and several other bikes for that mostly wanting to get into the trails with one of these I build stunt parts for a living I just enjoy hitting bicycle trails and doing so in silence is nice even regular gooning although I'm sure wheelies will be unavoidable given my nature 😂 thanks for the feedback appreciate it!

@@masontaylor6543 i got it from electro&co 😁 im not quite ready to build my own but that is the plan 👌 and thats awesome man i wanna get myself a grom and make it a stunt bike, it looks like alot of fun. But yeah these electric bikes are perfect for stealth riding, you can rip up the neighborhood doing wheelies and no one will even know 😁

@@EmxBrandon yessir if you get one hit me up or look us up on Instagram mks_stuntparts or Mk stunts anywhere else we'll get ya hooked up!

@@masontaylor6543 hell yeah brother, will do i appreciate that

Total cost in this video? 1100 for the bike and 500 for the controller kit from electro&co. Currently i have about 3k into it with the 72v battery and the crf50 swap, wheels, with my current set up

It should be around 45 but i havent had a chance to stretch it out all the way yet im gonna try and get a top speed next vid 🤘

@@EmxBrandon thanks !

@@marc9164 just making it clear i didnt realize you commented on this video. But with the stock battery and electro&co kit it does around 35 maybe a touch more but i have a 72v battery in it now so it does 45ish 👌😁

Great video, as we’ve been speaking on FB what would you recommend because the sticker was in fact removed from my motor and the manual is blacked out. I see electro co offer three different controllers

@@marc9164as far as i can tell everyones been getting the 1600w motor so id say its a safe bet thats what you have aswell. I dont believe there is any visual difference between them which makes it a pain in the butt

Around 100 pounds Stock 20mph Etm kit on 48v around 35 Etm on 72v around 45 Check out e-force and grab a flipsky 75200 kit and you won't regret it! eforcemotorsandcontrollers.co/

@@EmxBrandondo you know a good battery to get for 60v

@cohenbecker6009 check out the mototec group on facebook, theres a pinned post on how to contact amorge. I also have a video on amorge to help decide what you need. But contact them and see what they can make you with 6x8x5in dimensions. Youll need a minimum of 80 amp discharge, not to be confused with amp hour(ah)

​@EmxBrandon is it stock gearing

Yes

I understand for some people it might seem crazy since your pretty well versed in tuning controllers and knowing what parameters to set but for the guys like me who arent very knowledgeable in this type of stuff its worth paying. Some reasons would be my time, it would take me weeks maybe longer of figuring out how to set the controller to make the most power out of this specific motor, learning field weakening all that good stuff so id rather pay the guys who know what they are doing who have done the r&d that way i can simply plug and play. Everything we pay for in life comes at a premium for instance i put up fences if the customer did it themselves they would save thousands of dollars on labor fencing doesnt take a genious but people will pay for the convenience of not doing it themselves. But i do understand where your coming from i work on my own vehicles id rather pay 100 bucks for a clutch on ebay and install it myself rather than pay someone 3k to do it for me. Hope that makes sense. Plus electro and co's amazing customer service makes it feel more than worth the price if anything happens they are right there ready to help or replace, where if i was to try tuning the controller myself and blew the motor, batter, ect. now its on me and im gonna end up spending more to replace whatever i blew up. Then theres figuring out what throttle works with what hoping i dont buy the wrong stuff that works together. Im paying for the time and knowledge they put into their product 💯

500 for the pretuned controller, mx lite throttle, battery leads, and water resistant connectors with a nice wire harness. Completely plug and play 🤘 i see they are offering their upgraded motor now aswell so you might be seeing that in the price but you should have the option so not get the motor!

@@EmxBrandon ahhh ok thanks! Still seems just a bit pricey compared to the Razor throttle/controller kits. Still really sweet!

@@mct8888 its definitely pretty pricey i believe their razor 2.1 kit is 600 for the base kit but it does include a motor i believe. But the nice part about it is your getting great customer service unlike the china kits. Also the base kit will have your mototec doing 40mph with the stock battery! You definitely pay for the convenience but its a purchase that will last for a long time 🤘😁 i myself am just getting into learning how to tune controllers and all that good stuff but it was nice to be able to buy a kit ready to go and be able to play while i work on my own builds 😁

I wish youtube had a good translator for both of us