Having lived in this region all my life, i appreciate the story and your excellent narration. As a side note, Jedediah Smith State Park on the Oregon/California border is absolutely beautiful.

Fantastic video keeping the memory of the mountain men alive . Such adventurous spirits of the men who discovered the west deserve to be immortalised.

Being fearless works for you until it doesn't. RIP JSmith.

Guys I take my hat off for you this one was a delicacy! Good braiding Jed Smith actions with a great story including the fact that I never knew this deeds. Congrats fellas, no one on KZfaq has ever did this to me I confess. Stuff to studies for me, thank you people ,you're doin a very good job and I assume there was not much left of this tribe..Thx a lot for the input from Northern Germany Ludwig.

Thanks for all your work on your vids, I've eagerly watched each one since I found your channel. It's refreshing to hear stories from both perspectives both European and Native. Greetings from Kilkenny, R.O.I 🇮🇪

Like the Yuroks the Umpqua were probably a people who took the opportunity to get revenge against anyone who seemingly did them wrong. Nice shot across the Kalmiopsis Wilderness.

Love your videos and learning so much about history. I hope to see you continue and cover as many topics as possible! These people's stories are so important to keep alive

If they were killed purely for intrusion there would not have been any trade beforehand, unless that was a ruse to buy time whilst gathering a force.

Great work! Highly enjoy the channel!

dale morgan wrote a good biography of jedediah smith including excerpts of his journals and letters. this account is close to morgans, the major inclusion being smith had instructed rogers not to allow the kalawatsep,the local tribe of umpqua, into camp, and rogers chose to allow @ 100 natives into camp to continue trading. i would question anyone sleeping late (smiths party already up, breakfasted and far enough downriver so as not to hear the battle) while in hostile territory, particularly after 2 incidents

strange they didn’t keep watch, have a defense plan in the midst of hunter gatherers. Amazing pioneer stories-thank you.

Double thumbs up👍👍 I love these videos.

When I was a young kid we drove out to OR to visit relatives. We were at the Umpqua River and my aunt found an obsidian arrowhead by the river and gave it to me. I lost it decades ago but sure wish I had it. It was cool.

Excellent job! Keep up the good work 👍

Love this channel! Keep up the awesome work

Excellent presentations, descriptions and knowledge; well done on all aspects. Thank you.

I greatly enjoy this channel. I don’t know if it’s your voice and delivery, your descriptive language, or just an exciting story.

Yet another absolutely brilliant video! 👏👏👏 Keep your great work 👍

Another great video!

New favorite KZfaq channel keep it up

Great channel! I love the stories and the style presented.

Thanx for showing us, once and for all time, how the lack of communication can be the cause of misunderstanding, leading to violence and death, no matter the color of your skin...

Thanks. You have become required viewing !

Love your videos

Interesting story. I lived in around Portland. 1973 and Portland was a different city. OR is very beautiful state.

Yeah! I seen this was coming soon and been just waiting on it 🤙😁🤠

I enjoy your vids and the background music. Keep it up!

Fantastic video :)

Details matter, great work.

Thank you nice analysis 😊

There is always more to the story, but we won't ever have it.

amazing stories. thanks

Where are the new videos good sir!!! I love the content

Brilliant Telling of a Harrowing Tale!!!!

Good job. You missed the part where an Umpqua warrior with a case of buyer's remorse shot arrows into Jed Smith's herd, wounding several horses. As far as things go, I've always suspected, as with the attack on the Colorado River, that this attack was a case of opportunistic thievery with wounded pride used as justification.

I'd love to hear more about Smith and the Comanche you refer to at the end the video. And 💛 I'd also like you to do a segment on the Seminole history. Thank you 💛 so much for your excellent work!

Love your channel. First time ive heard you talk of Pac NW tribes. I would love to hear a story with the Native tribes around sourhern BC Canada like the Haida Gwai, Musqueam Squamish and Tsleil Waututh .

ENJOYED

Jed Smith called the Smith river Defeat River.

I figure listening to this story that Jedadia needed guidance and help from some of the native warriors but he didn't realize they would lead him and his men in a ambush until it was to late in the journey. But I definitely feel bad for them all as it was so barbaric to be still sleeping inn early in the morning, some eating breakfast, then before you know it your being attacked and killed.Thanks for sharing the story of such great history .Regards Peter DeLorey Canada

Fascinating content. As I was listening I paused at 9:19. Looking at the bottom left side in the shallow water. Do you see the face?

Three,six now seven, its well worth the wait.

These men lived more in one year than I have in sixty plus. Different mindset in these men or really hard times at home

-- these type of videos have reduced my "need for weed" by like 1/3 and also really, enlightened my sense of relaity, at large.

Thanks for the upload. Great video but little overboard on the eloquently descriptive words.

Hi from England

I drive a van in 48 states.. Good stuff I subbed.

My 4x grandmother and grandfather lived in St Louis during these times, they're buried outside St Louis, it was the staging post for the mountain men, trappers and settlers going west. I'd have loved to have heard their stories, I believe it was a pretty wild town. Of course their children also went west, more stories lost to time, it's good a few of the stories from these times are recorded, worts and all.

What a live he lived

As a native of primarily Quechua South American heritage, the fact that this gentleman said. "The native tribes from Alaska to Argentina" made me see the world is becoming educated. Native americans don't disappear after the border. There is a lot more america left, lol 😂

My only wish for your videos is for them to be longer.

Sir, you are a wordsmith par excellence..are you a professor? teach in any ways, besides YT?

Often when 2 very different groups of people meet they're suspicious of each other and with good reason. In all races they're such things as politeness and courtesy. I think that a few of Indians viewed the white men as weak in body and numbers and took the knife and hatchet the chief riding the horse may well have been in fun but after the theft they were on edge. As a series of events happened it all escalated. Today we have the benefit of hindsight. As you know this is a tragedy but there are lots of examples when the Indians received the deaths. Such was life then and even now. Thank you for work and entertaining us with all your captivating and interesting videos.

I think they were killed because they wanted their stuff...

The Cow Creek Band of the Umpqua now own a large casino and RV area between Grants Pass and Roseberg Or. They have done very well for their people.

any info on Charles M Russell?

Hey live in roseburg love to hear about the history

Hey! Some of your stories seem to be missing. What happened to tale of the Sioux boy trying to woo his bride? Was that not your's?

In response to your question, I think the United States was founded by relentlessly strong, determined, and focused people. The European immigrants that came were tough, the first colonists and settlers crossing west were tough, the Black Americans and their African ancestors were tough, and the Native Americans fought with everything they had to hold on to what was theirs. All for liberty, all for land, all to become the great dream. What an incredible culture and country they, all together created. A family has its problems but here you all stand. Hello from Colombia South America

I was born and raised in the Umpqua region, my family has been there since the late 1800's on my father's side and my aunt on my mother's side married a Umpqua Indian, but a Upper Umpqua, they speak a different although related language and culturally were very different with the Lower Umpqua be a typical NW coast tribe while the Upper Umpqua were culturally close to the inland Plateau people of Eastern Oregon.

You have anything on the Fort Parker kidnapping in Texas?

If a culture has "no sense of ownership," how then do they understand the concept of a trade?

Here we go

Thank you so very much for your time and effort 🎙️🌍. I was born here. I was taught to respect my elders and be quiet. Well I'm an adult now 🐱💋 AMEN Philadelphia USA 🇺🇲☦️ SPANISH MEN HAVE EGOS !!! I'm UKRAINIAN, SPANISH, AND FRENCH. RN CCRN THAT'S ALL. Kensington and Allegheny Ave 💉💉💉 XYLAZINE IS MIXED IN EVERY STREET DRUG. NARCAN...DOES NOT REVERSE THIS.

Had they been more diplomatic they could have perhaps avoided it all. When outnumbered in someone else’s country it is prudent to tread lightly. An example of being right and still being wrong in the end.

Very well pronounced although we say Sigh-U-slaw as locals. Graduated from Siuslaw HS.

Ive read a report where three men came in and one where five... This is a tough study for sure.

Theres a ridiculous report that says these dudes drove a herd of cattle up from S.F. to Ft. Vancover. But its way to early.. Through knarly mountains that people had to walk through, got lost in, and did not travel with herds for another 50yrs.

Thunder Over The Ochoco 1-5 by Gale Ontko. His life long research is a must for well, everybody... Hang on to your bootstraps...

❤

Humans have always struggled for survival, by any means. There is no judgment of either side unless you were present at the time and place when it occurred.

This entire series should be required listening for the young citizens of the United States so they don't fall prey to Leftist revisionist history.

The topic is interesting but the volume sucks ...impossible to hear even when set to loudest setting

actually: Per the VIDEO herein -- if WE take the time, de-cypher (decipher) the details, it "ain't hard to tell" -- the same, characterizes the essence of almost 95% of all FUEDS in western "fronts" per say, even -- going back to the "Hatfields and the McCoys" --- "be warned."

A story so we'll told.

As an suggestion, I think that stills from Hollywood movies distract from the credibility of the video. I feel that pictures from the various museums from the area would give a more accurate description.

Stealing from starving travelers and then killing them because you got caught, sounds pretty savage and primitive.

Well I just hope both sides had fun doing it

10:48 No wonder the native Americans were hostile to the Europeans.

I'm sure the tension leading up to this massacre was a Fk Aroun N Find Out ending that hasn't changed in any past or present clashes

All lay load on the willing horse

Bainbridge is a neighborhood within the bronx .. it's not a town , village or city ...

Too many chiefs, too many chiefs.. Too many chiefs, toooo many chiefs

Madison and others were concerned about another Nation being carved out west of the Rockies. At Ft. Vancouver, we see perhaps more double and triple agents than anywhere in our young history. John Mclouphlin would entertain secret talks about Nation building as well. Cascadia being one of these more publicly evidenced today. His sons muder shows the shady dealings. We need more people uncovering alot of the truth for our Oregon Country. Its hard to do here today. Our Western European styles of doing things is still dominant here with the Columbus discovery showing up still in our classrooms and things. Manifest Destiny was coined a long time before our Western American marketing campaign of the 18th Century. It has more roots in Global Colonialism than anything. A little known fact for you.

The first of my family arrived in 1619 at Jamestown aboard the ship HMS Tiger. By 1829 part of the Sewell family under John Newton Sowell had migrated to Gonzales Texas to receive land grants & become citizens of Mexico. Marcus Sewell fell at the Alamo in 1836. From there several Sewells rode with the Texas Ranging Companies and engaged marauding bands of Comanches. Ideals are peaceful. History is violent. Might makes right and to the victor goes the spoils. These two maxims are as true among Europeans as among the countless North American tribes. The warfare and violence between ALL players on the North American continent was unavoidable because of human nature. A nature shared by both the Europeans and the tribes. Human nature is universal. There are no innocent parties. All took offense as it suited them as a pretext for aggression. The Comanche were a waring tribe by nature and culture. They learned it as did other tribes like the Apache as a byproduct of centuries upon centuries of survival of the fittest. Might makes right and to the Victor goes the spoils. We still live by that reality of human nature to this day, believe it or not. But that is another story for another time LOL 😂

Hoke Seaaaaaaaaaa Hoke Seaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I,think that the umqua natives were very wrong in their murderous sneak attack on a party of hard working men taking all they had labored for in addition to to taking their lives.and I suspect their Karma was deeply affected by this ugly action

The Native Tribes struggled in a harsh land to live... You hear that? Tell that to the tribes of Washington who used to have potlatchs for weeks. Where there was sooo much food. The tribes say that they used to have food wars guys. Cmon.

The Indians traded with the white men and not by constraint. Pride caused this massacre.

Hoke seeeaaaaaaa Hoke seeeeaaaaaaaaaaaa

"the Mountain men didn't want to conquer, only pass through." - but the Indians didn't permanent settlements or settle, they travelled and hunted - exactly the same as the Mountain Men. So as far as the native populations where concerned, and how they'd always lived, the land & wildlife was being stolen by the trappers.

So these Umpqua found it offensive they were caught stealing steel, and caught attempting to take a horse? But just through the camp right? He was just gonna ride it through the camp? Lol. Ridiculous.

umpqua extremely the guilty perps here

Definitely a gripping tale

They had the movie on u-tube,,,Taming the Wild West Jedadiah Smith . What a great movie,,,,i have been trying to buy it for a couple years now,,,,,it got taken down from u-tube awhile back. The only place i could find it was 75.00 For it,,,thats insane. Jedadiah was one bad to the bone Man,,,,,,,,until he met the Comanche. And i admire Both of them,,,,,,,,Jedadiah for his Bravery and adventure,,,,,,,the Comanche's for fighting for their land, and families and killing invaders

Objectively, if you’re in someone else’s home/land/country, you must show respect. That is something the European invaders lacked, eg. Manifest destiny.

Indian duplicity.

It's amazing how the Europeans have been cast exclusively as the baddies. Doubt.

There's only one sierra Nevada

😊😊😊