But in order for that list to made, at least a yeard should be spent playing games with the rules, and discussing the meta with other's.

Idk, the High Elves book looks regal, proud and deadly. But you’re right that it’s easily top tier

if you rank books by cover art, everything in 8th edition loses

why would you say Vamps higher? ive put another post above about whats wrong with them: Our core is laughably bad (I played a game this week where 37 skeletons killed 5 dwarf warriors to him killing entire unit!) In a 2000pt game if we take a blender lord, he has to be our lvl 4 thus decreasing flexibility and putting all eggs in one basket. Getting into multiple combats is extremely dangerous due to multi crumble. Don't get me wrong I love them and you can play 40 GG and have a good go against most units but they a hard army to do well with compared to say gun line dwarves etc.

Snotlings vs Halflings vs Gnoblars Triumph and Treachery game!

I have a Halfling army... Just sayin'. 😉

I think Bretonnia is solid mid-tier. It takes finesse like the wood elves, but they've done well in tournament settings. Definitely not top tier, but tend to either win big or lose horribly!

@@thomasburns6655 I have enough snotlings for an army :)

@@W1DO Sounds like a fight is brewing... after we eat. No reason to rush off hungry.

I'm the best

@@malekiththeeternityking5433 nah Karl franz is the best or grimgor

Eric wood a lot of end time lords are lords already in the game I think they only add a few lords

And for HE/DE I give it to DE since in my opinion you are basically rating them in a "this army loses to this other army, which only just loses to this army, who are in turn slightly beat by..." and in this case if we get to the top and see 2 almost identical armies with a few unit changes here or there but mostly just copy/paste jobs as far as roles and stats go. Which is where army wide special rules come in to play. Martial Prowess means 1 more rank of attacks but in almost every one of the mirror matches the stats and points are the same or so close that it doesnt matter, and so to get that extra rank the HE unit will be larger and thus cost more, which makes sense. 40 spearmen vs 40 dreadspears cost the same, and to get an extra rank in horde formation you need 50 spearmen facing 40 dreadspears. Those 90 points could go towards a magic banner, or a support unit like a bolt thrower that can remove models before combat starts or 10 bleakswords to charge the flanks on a following turn. Then, both armies have ASF and I5 in most cases but DE have hatred so actually get a reroll to hit, PLUS the Murderous Prowess to reroll 1s to wound. This is a MASSIVE bonus and in an average combat the HE spearmen will cause a total of 3.3 wounds assuming it is 40vs40 for equal points, whereas the DE score 5.83 (rounding both means 3 for the HE and 6 for DE but I will stick to 3 and 5). That puts the DE up 2 for the CR which means that unsupported the HE are probably running even with the reroll from Valour of Ages (avg of 2 dice is 7, they sit at 6). If the HE charge to get the plus 1 bonus they still lose by 1 and only because they still have 4 ranks to fight with due to Martial Prowess. Yet the DE charge gives them the plus 1 CR and even at 30 attacks for losing a rank of spear attacks they still end with 4 wounds to the HE 3, a CR total of +2 still. Pheonix Guard vs Black Guard are another big swing for the DE, same cost, same stats but 1 more attack on Black Guard, and the same special rule gaps we saw above. 30 vs 30 and the DE score 17 CR to the HE 9 CR pre ranks and banners even with a 4+ ward. Dragon Princes vs Cold One Knights (5v5) the DP cost a bit less and have an extra attack so thats very good, but stats are otherwise equal and the Cold Ones are better mounts (on avg stupity wont matter). This one comes down to the charge so probably the HE get it and even then it still likely ends with 1 wound each, maybe 2 in favor of the DP but the better special rules and mounts do a lot to close the gap. Executioners vs White Lions is another bloodbath with the Lions losing by 5 wounds due to same stats and inferior special rules with only Stubborn keeping them on the board. Swordmasters are the only time HE have a solid win when compared to their counterpart, again Executioners, but do cost slightly more meaning it will be 30 Executions vs 27 Swordmasters, or will give the Executions a 40 point advantage which we can mainly fill with a Warbanner for another static CR. And at the end of the fight, even with 1 more attack for the front rank and a better WS the Swordmasters will only win by 3 or 4 points depending on if they had 3 less minis or if the DE got the warbanner to balance it. The HE still have a lot of great units and characters but so the the DE and I would think that overall they mostly balance out with a big swing going to the DE thanks to witches and no real counterpart to them for the HE. VERY close in a lot of places but some of the combats will require favorable match ups for the HE to come close to winning by more than 1 or 2 CR, which is made worse when the DE find a favorable combat. 30 Swordmasters charge 40 Dreadspears and 11 Swordmasters kill 22 DE. The 30 Executioners hit 40 HE spears and 16 spears die to 8 dead Executions. These 2 matched up probably rely more on out maneuvering your opponent to find those favorable matchups more than any other possible matchup. So I do agree that it would be close overall but the DE are just that much better as far as army special rules go that they have a large advantage.

Ive been running 100 archer blobs with her it's wild when you get the double shot spell off

I second that. 6:th edtion tier ranking would be wonderful and interesting

Dark elves f tier :(

Cult of Slaanesh S tier though 😎

This: Daemons were basically everywhere,

Any advice for a 1000 points list?

@@winterh46334 I'd say keep your theme simple and uniform, three colors at best excluding your metallic. The splash of color for each model will come from the beard, if you doing different colors that is. I love Ironhammers color palette but I would say it's a bit more advanced, really makes the army pop tho, if you wanna go with a premade. My army was all Terra Cotta style, so stone dwarfs. Each different unit was a different stone, all of them were unified by the magic color I used on things like eyes, mouths, important dangles, etc was blue. Only a small portion of my army was "flesh and blood" dwarfs and all were red heads, just the story I came up with for why that was.

Dwarfs was always OP.

2400!

Totally agree. I think there are 2 main reason they ranked WE so low. Lack of games vs good WE players and that they don't use the random terrain rules. E Otherwise, every single time there are a couple of woods show up or a river is rolled by the WE player, the WE wins unless they are using a pure fluff list. With that said, there are other armies as well that are rearly played to their full potential in the batreps so perhaps there could have been a few more adjustments in the rankings.

Oh yeah, I would change a couple of other things as well, but most of it would be pretty minor so it'd be close enough. WE down at C is so far from where I'd put them though so I found that very surprising! And yeah they did say that WE could go way up with a good player, but I think that's not being fair to the book. While there is more of a learning curve than the other elf armies, I don't think it's THAT steep...

@@Fagerlund_ True, although it may depend on what you compare it to. Regarding learning curve that is. Then again, it would probably be more accurate to judge them on what the book can bring to the table rather than who is playing the army, but that's a side note.

Lol nvm, paused the video when I commented about lore, thought you were talking about the Fluff :P. I didnt really play that much with Casters as said in 7th. Used Lore of Beasts I believe otherwise. The Beastmen magic lore wasnt great I agree.

Not to mention that book killed their rune magic.

They know. Steve talked about it in one of the last battle report. Steve said that he doesn't like it because at the beginning the rules changed every week making it difficult to play.

Agree. Like Tomb Kings with Arkhan can destroy both lizardmen and ogres by having a lvl 5 death wizard with casket and hierotitan, despite the overall army book not being able to compete on an average match. Or an artillery O&G list can probably decimate everything if they don't start to fail leadership tests

And that is the joy of 8th edition.

Would love to see a future video with thoughts on Chaos Dwarve even if they were only a FW army

Also, dwarves are garbage tier. Their magic is dispellable, and their units are too slow.

In the current UK tourney scene they are currently allowed to take marks of chaos for free. It really helps (though doesn’t address the overcosting of a number of units and that is their main issue)

I was wondering about this too! As they said with TK's access to a range of models can really affect how armies play.

@@LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69 I won’t argue your point (especially about Minotaurs, they are ridiculously overpriced). My point is that Beastmen aren’t as bad as internet wisdom says.