The Entire Timeline of Severus Snape & Lily Potter's Relationship (Origin to Downfall)

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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:43 Before Hogwarts
5:55 Hogwarts Years
10:35 Downfall
14:28 Post Downfall
7:16 Lily's Death
18:49 Protecting Harry Potter
20:22 Snape's Conclusion
21:33 Reflection

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@elinswan8174
@elinswan8174 Ай бұрын
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@user-ro8gh1nn3m Ай бұрын
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@kennyhong6651 Ай бұрын
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@FBelos
@FBelos Ай бұрын
Oh funfact JKR confirmed Snape to would've still become a death eater even if Lily stayed his friend saying "He wanted Lily but He wanted Mulciber more"
@todorvujcic5115
@todorvujcic5115 Ай бұрын
I clicked faster then Snape Runs away From shampoo
@flavorlessdelicacy
@flavorlessdelicacy Ай бұрын
or just hygiene in general
@Junie_Balloony
@Junie_Balloony Ай бұрын
Lol 😂
@Luckycharm754
@Luckycharm754 Ай бұрын
Or therapy
@tanmayjain3543
@tanmayjain3543 Ай бұрын
​@@Luckycharm754☠️
@likecascade7015
@likecascade7015 Ай бұрын
Sadly, the film never did explain why Lily ditched Snape. It was almost like “Eh. James is cuter than you”.
@mrsentimental1995
@mrsentimental1995 Ай бұрын
But it was implied. We knew since the beginning that Snape was a very suspicious person, and in Goblet of Fire movie he was a former death eater. It was implied based on how shady and we knew in movie 5, even though it was brief that James bullied him, which is why he despised Harry for unfair reason. Films are about showing, not telling, so we could imply with how harsh of a man he is, that he definitely got Lily uninterested in him and having a very unlikable personality.
@vikkran401
@vikkran401 Ай бұрын
The films never even showed Lily ditching Snape so why should they have to explain it? It doesn't make any sense. Most implication we got from the film was that Snape & Lily were friends and they just slowly drifted apart during their years at Hogwarts, while Snape secretly developing a crush on her despite not being with each other
@mrsentimental1995
@mrsentimental1995 Ай бұрын
@vikkran401 sharper fans would understand Snape's cryptic question to Harry on the first day they met at his potions class. A scene was removed from the final cut but we see young Lily defending Snape in the flashback when Harry reads Snape's mind and lastly, it all comes in circle in the last movie's memory scene.
@retryoxx8340
@retryoxx8340 Ай бұрын
​@@mrsentimental1995 Is it proved? Sometimes people find thousands of messages where they aren't even meant to be. Besides, what makes Snape so great for pitying Harrys mother? Her death is technically his fault.
@mrsentimental1995
@mrsentimental1995 Ай бұрын
@retryoxx8340 who said, it makes him great? It makes him a terrible person but his complex emotions and the fact that we kept questioning his allegiance and loyalty between good and evil is fascinating. Does that mean, Joker should be hated for being a psychopathic murderer? No, it makes his character interesting. Should we hate Tony Soprano who has done terrible deeds with the mafia, including murder and bigamy? No, it's what makes him interesting to watch as well! Opinions and thoughts of fictional characters are subjective.
@realgamerguyvlog32
@realgamerguyvlog32 Ай бұрын
I personally love Snape's last words in the film more than the book, his "you have your mother's eyes"
@killer92173
@killer92173 Ай бұрын
Me too. In the books, he just says, "Look at me!" Before dying, and it's much more impactful in the movies cuz Snape NEVER talks about Lily in front of Harry.
@Fendi106
@Fendi106 Ай бұрын
This scene in the movie killed me...didn't cry in a long time...but this, this my friend was a bullet straight to the heart.
@Sunnie-xi3pp
@Sunnie-xi3pp Ай бұрын
I wanted him to say “ Please look at me with your mother’s eyes one last time.” Or something to that effect
@YouYou-sd2hx
@YouYou-sd2hx Ай бұрын
Ive said it once ill say it again SNAPE IS OVERRATED hes just a simp
@Fendi106
@Fendi106 Ай бұрын
@@YouYou-sd2hx not in the movies I guess 🤣🤣🤣
@prisyrose
@prisyrose Ай бұрын
Lily was arguably the only person who was kind to him in his whole life and also the person who warned him off about joining DEs. I don’t get why it’s so unimaginable for people to understand why he’s loyal to the such person, especially when he played a part in her death & hates himself for it for the rest of his life. Snape’s character is so well written that it’s a shame most people tend to water down his character.
@lucyk2634
@lucyk2634 Ай бұрын
Exactly. I think many people had pretty healthy childhoods so they can't never understand such a deep and layered character. Deepness comes from hardships in life especially in childhood. So, happy people just don't understand his emotions and call him creep. That's very hurtful for me to hear.
@prisyrose
@prisyrose Ай бұрын
@@lucyk2634 Mmm. I think HP fandom in general is incapable of digesting characters they cannot fit into black and white boxes and Snape perfectly treads the line between good and bad. It’s like they miss one of the crucial points of the series.
@mfchc14
@mfchc14 Ай бұрын
There a comment already on this video saying it was "just a childhood crush" excuse me??? What people don't understand is that acknowledging how real the character is, we are not implying he was a "good person." People are not black and white, they are shades of gray. Snape had good traits, aimed at the wrong things may be, but that's what makes him interesting.
@tanmayjain3543
@tanmayjain3543 Ай бұрын
The only thing bad about him was that he hated harry just because he was james' son and bullied the other gryffindors even though they didn't do anything wrong. He was very unfair towards all of them
@alesonu
@alesonu Ай бұрын
Because it is easier to claim an anti hero's one sided love as obsession. If he was an out and out hero like Harry, people would have sympathized with him and felt pity for him but since it is a bitter old miserable man, how can it be one side pure love?
@darylsdesigns6679
@darylsdesigns6679 Ай бұрын
Dumbledore: “Lily? After all this time?” Snape: “Always.”
@user-tsukiko2023
@user-tsukiko2023 Ай бұрын
What a joke. Always hating others especially Harry and his friends.
@Yesica1993
@Yesica1993 Ай бұрын
Shreds my soul, every time.
@YouYou-sd2hx
@YouYou-sd2hx Ай бұрын
Imagine being such a simp even Dumbledore underestimated you
@ceasebaby
@ceasebaby Ай бұрын
Movie Snape’s story has an enormous amount cut out. You never find out Snape was the one who sold out the Potters, that he was fine with just Harry and James dying if it meant Lily lived (let’s be real - this would have disgusted Lily to no end) and they cut out the “Him?! Expecting Patronum!” meaning he never cared for Harry, he really only cared for Lily. It really cuts out the complexity of his character and makes him look like a secretly wonderful man when in reality he was just atoning for being the reason Lily died
@alesonu
@alesonu Ай бұрын
I think your wording things is incorrect, and some info. 1) He did not sold out Potters that was done by James frd Wormtail. Snape only conveyed a prophecy and Voldy decided it was Potters 2) Snape only cared for Lily, which is true, but I am sorry even if I am not evil, I wouldn't try to save my bully (I am not a saint after all, James gave him a lifetime of trauma) and he couldn't plead for Harry since he was the prophecy child. 3) Ofc he never saw Harry as Lily's son that why he used to bully him. He was bitter miserable man, who couldn't deal with his trauma od the past and vented it on a child. (Nobody said he is a saint). Plus it did not help that look wise, Harry was a carbon copy of James and it kept reminding him of his awful memories and he refused to see the lily in him and only saw it at the end of his life.
@abhishek_p11
@abhishek_p11 Ай бұрын
So you think even if James bullied Snape didnt he save Snape from werewolf Remus when Sirius tipped him off? Being bullied by someone is not an excuse to save them, especially if he loved lily that much he must also respect her desicion. Ofc James was mean to snape but later James didnt ever want to kill him, Sirius tried once but James never did. Lily moved on and i dont think i would be happy if someone i counted a friend called me an offensive word, but then even the best men cannot control their anger, but Lily chose her way and was against the dark side. Snape however was influenced by it. As you said, bullying harry is one thing, but being a bad teacher, bullying every other student he sees because they breathe the same air as harry, bullying every other house except slytherin, show partiality towards slytherin, all those are not acceptable. No other teacher, however broken they were, didnt and would never do this. He would know better as his young life was filled with conflict, he would know how neville would feel like and yet he never cared. OFC the main reason he saved harry is because he was loyal to dumbledore. And also due to his love for lily. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't save someone else's life, even if it is your bully, that bully never want you dead, so yea i think its not watering down severus's character. His character is beautiful and complex and hes even has one of the best character arcs and changes. But we can't just ignore his bullying of neville. Not to mention Neville's boggart was not even the death eaters who tortured his parents to insanity, but it was Snape, because of his constant bullying. Atleast, he couldn't save lily. Least he could do was treat his son properly but then yes his mental trauma wouldn't allow him to. He is a great character but we cant ignore the terrible things hes done and even though he is one the greatest wizards, he was still a bad teacher.
@dnathan1008
@dnathan1008 Ай бұрын
​@@abhishek_p11 we also can't ignore the fact that he bullied muggle born students with other Slytherins when he was a student
@dnathan1008
@dnathan1008 Ай бұрын
​@@alesonuhe knew the prophecy was about a child. He was okay conveying it with voldemort. But when voldemort chose Lily's son he told Dumbledore about that to save "Lily".
@alight_everdeen
@alight_everdeen Ай бұрын
massive respect to you for being the only Harry Potter KZfaqr that I like who hasn't given up on hp because of jk Rowling
@chazzle8434
@chazzle8434 Ай бұрын
Why would he give up on her?
@chazzle8434
@chazzle8434 Ай бұрын
Because of her*
@alight_everdeen
@alight_everdeen Ай бұрын
@@chazzle8434 a lot of hp youtubers have decided not to support hp anymore because of jk rowlings political views
@user-tc9mi8xn5i
@user-tc9mi8xn5i Ай бұрын
@@chazzle8434 A lot of people have stopped making Harry Potter videos/content because of how vocal she is about her political views to an inappropriate degree.
@NsTheName
@NsTheName Ай бұрын
I still love HP and I still like JK.
@alpha5664
@alpha5664 Ай бұрын
Snape is a grown man unable to move on from a childhood crush he had and an immature grudge he had with James.
@majaa6552
@majaa6552 Ай бұрын
Finally someone with common sense... He is one of the most overrated characters ever and thats because most people judge based on the movies instead of the books. If they actually read the books they would've realised what pathetic excuse of man he really was the only good thing about him was his love for Lily and even that was creepy.
@francostevo9939
@francostevo9939 Ай бұрын
It was not a crush; it was more than that. Love and a crush are entirely different things.
@Kagura750
@Kagura750 Ай бұрын
​@@majaa6552I mean considering the fact that his family life wasn't great I dont much blame him foe being so attached to his first and only friend😅
@Sirhc_B8207
@Sirhc_B8207 Ай бұрын
I agree with you on Lily, but I feel Snape's hatred of Hames was mostly justified based on the severe bullying
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@user-tq1tn4nk2y Ай бұрын
​@@Sirhc_B8207yep
@mindyshively4947
@mindyshively4947 Ай бұрын
I think no one else was EVER kind to Severus except for Lili. We can never over estimate the power of kindness. But maybe instead of all the dirty looks, if she had tried to teach him to be a kind person, he would have grown. Still, her friendship DID save Snape in the end. He would have become a soul- less murdering death eater without her and been beyond redemption.
@ManavJith
@ManavJith Ай бұрын
Hello MovieFlame. I'm a new Harry Potter fan and you've encouraged me to read the books after seeing the imperfections of the films
@brunette3cookie
@brunette3cookie Ай бұрын
Snape is a good example of you can't save everyone from themselves. Lily was good and defended him for years yet he still hung around with future Death Eaters and called people mudbloods before their friendship ended. Plus, he was only in his 30s in the books, so it's not like he spent 50 years hung up on Lily. He turned out to be a better friend than Peter. I honestly think she reevaluated a lot of what he said, which led her to give James a chance. She and Remus had no reason to not get along and he probably liked the anti-bully reinforcement.
@ColtonRMagby
@ColtonRMagby Ай бұрын
Severus and Lily's timeline together started off great, then turned tragic.
@mrsentimental1995
@mrsentimental1995 Ай бұрын
Severus Snape really is such a fascinating character. I know plenty of you are gonna call out the horrod things about him, and I agree with that, but thats what makes him interesting. He probably was one of the very few complex characters in the story where as others are pure good or pure evil.
@DaNinja60
@DaNinja60 5 күн бұрын
In a way it was centered around him from beginning to end. He had been with her from the beginning begrudgingly helped her son without him knowing it and died seeing her in her son's eyes.
@eranshachar9954
@eranshachar9954 Ай бұрын
Their story and especially the way it ended is a tragedy. As a Snapehead I wish Severus would have never said this awful word but he did. If he didn't then he would most likely end up with Lily and Harry would have had a different story. In a fictional timeline like this I think Neville would have been the chosen one. I also agree with Morgan- Had their friendship continued Snape wouldn't have been a DE. The problem was not the word the problem was the belief he had in it, which is the real reason why she didn't forgave him because she knew he still thinks and feels this way.
@BlackSteelKeyChain
@BlackSteelKeyChain Ай бұрын
Thank you
@lua_moura
@lua_moura Ай бұрын
Great timing for this video, just when my HP obsession came back and I'm re-reading the entire series and watching all the movies ❤
@SharlizeLyn
@SharlizeLyn Ай бұрын
Same ❤
@JMein13074
@JMein13074 Ай бұрын
Makes me wonder if he ever knew Wormtail was the one who betrayed the Potters. I'd like to think that Snape personally asked Voldemort if Wormtail could be his servant, just so he could abuse him for his betrayal.
@jakobmzrdu7932
@jakobmzrdu7932 10 күн бұрын
Your theory is confirmed in the Harry Potter wiki.
@user-yi2gh7bd1v
@user-yi2gh7bd1v Ай бұрын
Snape : U spied on us Petunia : Ur shirt ugly really petunia
@gimphglmt
@gimphglmt 9 күн бұрын
some of these comments are 🔥🔥
@Hendricus56
@Hendricus56 Ай бұрын
Regarding the promise to keep Lily alive: From what I know, Voldemort made her the offer to live, which she refused, what triggered the sacrificial protection. So he actually kept his promise to Snape and only when she refused the offer he killed her. Since she made her choice and stood in his way. Plus he would have probably said to Snape something like "I offered her to step aside and survive, but she refused", telling him he honoured his promise and it was Lily's choice to die
@gimphglmt
@gimphglmt 9 күн бұрын
You think Riddle and Snape ever take in Quidditch?
@jkrause365
@jkrause365 Ай бұрын
I never did figure out, until now, how Snape was able to hide his mind from Voldemort. Now it all makes sense. Great video.
@jameslough6329
@jameslough6329 Ай бұрын
I’ve seen a lot of people saying that Snape was an obsessed stalker or an incel in regards to his relationship with Lily and I heavily disagree. Lily was literally the only friend that Snape made throughout his entire life and his only escape from his heavily abusive home life as a child. It’s not easy for someone to just move on when their only friend abandons them. He also never stalked her or displayed any creepy behaviour towards her even after she broke off their friendship. To be clear, I am not at all saying that Snape was a completely good person. FAR from it. Is bullying of the children at Hogwarts during his time as a professor was undeniably inexcusable. But I really do think his relationship with Lily is genuinely tragic
@BrandonFlint-ro2ns
@BrandonFlint-ro2ns Ай бұрын
His relationship with Lily was tragic because of his own doing. He practiced dark magic and made a joke about doing so, he called people slurs (not just Lily) and he willingly and knowingly joined an army of savages. He made a conscious choice to do all of these things knowing full well Lily wouldn't agree with any of it. While I don't think he's a stalker or an incel, it is 100% true that be brought it all on himself. The "poor me I had a sh***y life" card doesn't work here.
@GyariSan-kj8lr
@GyariSan-kj8lr Ай бұрын
In many ways, Snape is almost a different character in the movies compared to the books. Movie Snape was more or less a good man with awful habits and made awful past decisions. Book Snape however was an awful man (not an evil one) that made some good decisions & had a few good redeeming qualities.
@ZahraAljabri
@ZahraAljabri Ай бұрын
Alan rickman’s acting had me in tears😢. Best Harry Potter actor by far. Bro by the end of this video I was in floods. Snape is one of my fav characters and to see how truly tragic his character is brings me to tears😢
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@safwanfarhan5132 Ай бұрын
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@kendraroth1276
@kendraroth1276 Ай бұрын
You know it’s really interesting how JP and SS’s relationship and interactions with Lily are different and similar at the same time. Despite JP being dead, they do serve as foils. (Though in this series, everyone is a foil to another character in some way.) Both of them are always either copying Lily or complementing her. Usually When the relationship is bad, they copy Lily but when it’s good, they complement her. 1. During the Sorting, JP was placed in Gryffindor after Lily. (Though he did already want that house.) Meanwhile Snape was placed in Slytherin. 2. Both of them had a terrible relationship with Petunia, that made Lily cry. However Snape originally dismissed her feelings before distracting her like she once did with him. Whereas JP offered to apologize for what happened and he did appear to try. (Similar to how Snape tried apologizing to Lily.) 3. Snape and Lily both have the exact same Patronus, a Doe, while JP’s animal differs, being a Stag. 4. Snape and Lily both said “Always” while JP says “Until the very end”. 5. Lily has RED hair like Gryffindor, which JP wanted while Her eyes are GREEN, like Slytherin as Snape wanted. And Those colors cause me to think of anger and tempers, which Snape definitely has and Jealousy and envy, which JP definitely embodies. 6. Both of them were incredible wizards however JP was more practical while SS was more for knowledge. 7. They dislike the others House but Dumbledore implies Snape could be a Gryffindor if sorted again and Dumbledore’s words also make it likely that James was considered for Slytherin. (JP would have a lot of the traits that Slytherin was looking for and what are the odds that both of Harry’s parents were sorted in barely a second.) 8. JP valued kindness, which is why he befriended Remus. Whereas Snape befriended Lily, who was said to be kind, because she happened to be the only magical kid his age.
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@willowbrown6416 Ай бұрын
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@kimmyshaner1515 Ай бұрын
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@Kwezb Ай бұрын
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@thegamingpicklez 19 күн бұрын
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@BlackSteelKeyChain
@BlackSteelKeyChain Ай бұрын
I believe James and Snape both loved Lily in their own genuine way. I’m seeing way to many bitter Snape haters here making one sided character complaints without any context for their motivations or outside factors that influenced them. James was a man born with all the luck in world while the opposite was true to Snape. James was indeed born to financial and mental comfort. Two parents that loved him to the point of spoiling him rotten with the very rare benefit of being a pure blood family without their bigotry. IE James had the best possible spawn point for anyone in HP universe. Snape got the opposite in every way being born poor to an emotional & probably physically abusive family that provided only the negatives of that upbringing with bad first relations with muggles & none of the security of pure blood families. Two of the biggest life altering chances a person has in the HP world as is in the real world is where your born & where you grow up. The poorer and least advantageous it is the more likely your life is to not exceed past that. James won the first round in life but as we see with many HP characters with bad family’s there luck gets significantly better with their time at Hogwarts. Alas here’s where Snape gets the truly rare phenomenon of having equally bad luck at school as well. While James gets to go to the progressive good boy house of heroics and nepotism Snape gets thrown to the proverbial wolves of the school sanctioned house of systemic bigotry and facism. I can write an entire essay on how JK doesn’t understand how keeping social issues systemically entrenched in schooling for children is a one stop ticket to facist indoctrination but not understanding how systematic issues and bigotry work is JK’s entire character ark right now irl. Of course an 11 yr old child would get slowly twisted by living in an isolated echo chamber of genocidal facist ideology. All the while James just got even more positive reinforcement for his progressive politics. It’s the rich get richer mentality but through a socio environmental lens. Snape as an awkward anti social teen had no choice but interact with the leading death eaters of his house at the time to avoid being targets by his dorm-mates. Yes he like darks arts but that just made it easier to fall in line with leading hierarchy of his house and doesn’t make you inherently bad. We see he didn’t start out with any prejudices but was slowly indoctrinated as a child growing up in that toxic environment as any child would be by that circumstance. The last straw that broke Snape’s back was also being born in the literal worst time to be at Hogwarts during the first war. He wasn’t just thrown into the dorm of legacy bigotry but during a time of war centered around these ideologies to the point that where you were sorted during those years determined then and there where you’d fall on political lines. All these outside factors out of their control all but plotted out their stories before they were even told. As is in the real world when it comes to being born luckier than others unfortunately. For this I give James a lot less credit for how his life turned out given how easy and expected it was for him to be on the right side as he was born into it. Born to good ppl, lived with good ppl, married a good person so why wouldn’t his life read like the hero archetype. Only thing would be that despite all that he still found it in himself to be a cruel bully to almost everyone for 5 of his 7 yrs at school. He was the school bully for most of his tenure and his biggest victim was Snape who couldn’t be any less privileged than him. Let’s be real he was made head boy by Dumbledore for pure nepotism as we see him do with Harry. Dumbledore needed James as the front line soldier in the war so he overlooked much of his past to elevate his standing in his school politics. He coveted Lily from day one and sought to break her away from Snape which was the reason for his targeting of him. James found Lily too good for the likes of Snape and took it upon himself to separate her from him. Snape did not do the same to petunia as their relationship was sh@t before and after Snape. Snape was as possssive as any kid would be with the only good thing in his life. However in the end he didn’t pursue Lily after she broke off from him. He respected her choice and let her be even with James. If Snape didn’t love her or even obsessed after her like so many say then why didn’t he stalk her and try to break her up from James. He even could’ve made a love potion to force her back to him like Voldermont’s mother did , but he didn’t because he genuinely loved her in a selfless way that respected her independence. James’ torment all but denied Snape any chance he could’ve had to escape the toxicity of his house. If he had been the heroic champion that guided others from dark paths he would’ve been the hero we all needed but instead he didn’t value any of the privilege he was given and guaranteed Snape’s trapped situation. The lesson Harry learned that allowed him to succeed where his father failed was in reaching across the line to ppl he thought enemies and giving them an alternative path like with Draco and his family. This was the reason he lived through the war where as his fathers sins caught up to him with his mistake in choosing who his enemies and friends where. Snape’s cruelty came from generational abuse and trauma that is passed on and learned from your surroundings. His abusive home, schooling, friend cycles, and general life all showed him nothing but the worst of humanity and after lily’s death he blames himself and become a suicidal empty broken shell of a man at his lowest. As someone well versed in this kind of trauma it’s well known for ppl in these states to project their misery onto everyone around them. It’s not to condone but also not to judge given their situation. There’s no mental heath or therapy in HP that we know of and given Snape self loathing he wouldn’t think himself worth of saving. He couldn’t bring himself to love Harry because he was the living embodiment of all his failures and trauma all wrapped into one person that could look at him and cause him to feel nothing but agony. The true worth of his character comes from his drive to honor the memory of someone who did right by him once and feeling a duty to return the favor. He choose the very little bit of good that came to his life over the other 99% of bad and did the right thing in the end. Thats a feat unmatched by anything James did. Yes, You can say that Snape didn’t do a lot more than he did for others but the hard truth is he gave out as much good as he was given. You get back what you invest in and Snape only knew very little good that he did right by it in return. He betrayed people who accepted and respected him(which was the only reason was a death eater, no he isn’t a racist facist) in favor of saving people who hated him without any desire for something in return. That is True unconditional love by definition. It will always speak much more volume for James to have only known love and support his whole life yet still find it in himself to be cruel without anyone teaching him that. Whereas Snape who knew only the opposite yet still did so much good regardless in the end. Yes James got better and Snape couldn’t overcome his demons post Lily’s death but when looking at the whole picture with all their lives in context and what each had to overcome in order to do good I can’t give James more credit than Snape. In a fairer world where each had similar lives and healthy relationships you’d be right in holding James over Snape but seeing how unfair one’s life was it paints a completely different story.
@paulyb7267
@paulyb7267 Ай бұрын
Absolute rubbish. You know what your problem is: you can't stand the fact that James has everything in life and is a lot more successful, so you use whatever flaws he may have in order to bring him down and downplay his success. And so what if James has a much easier and better life. And by the way, James did not "steal Lily" away from Snape, Snape did that all himself by being a bad friend to Lily. James doesn't owe Snape anything, it's not James's responsibility to get Snape out of his toxic ways (he isn't Snape's father). You're jealous that James has all the privileges that Snape doesn't have.
@BlackSteelKeyChain
@BlackSteelKeyChain Ай бұрын
@@paulyb7267 No, acknowledging the uneven playing field of life where social environmental factors affect people lives outside of their control, and including that in your top down assessment of a person life is the bare minimum for objective critical analysis. Sorry you just learned this now. The HP universe like our own is based in systemic inequality and societal issues. This baked in bigotry forms the backdrop to every conflict in the story such as blood racism, classism, non human racism, and slavery. The school sanctioned segregation between houses and the blood purity racist ideology they allowed to seize control of Slytherin house made for a near absolute pipeline to facist indoctrination of children. No, the reason the political lines formed near totally down house lines wasn’t because one house is evil and the other is good, it’s because they allowed systemic issues & political ideology down house lines. This kind of bigotry isn’t born it’s taught and they allowed children whose only concern was being ambitious to be isolated and groomed by toxic ideological beliefs that can and mostly would negatively affect their growth in their formative and impressionable years. Snape wasn’t a blood purist before Hogwarts and said as much to Lily when they meet. His only negative outlook on muggles was because of his only muggle relation being his abusive father and this could’ve been easily balanced out with multiple good experiences with other muggles/muggle borns in later life. However he was forced into a boarding school dorm mostly comprised of muggle hating pure bloods who were the only people that accepted and didn’t bully him. This all resulted in Snape’s slow adoption of bad beliefs throughout his formative years as it would to anyone in that situation. No it’s not James’ or anyone’s duty to save anybody else as that’s up to the person themselves to want to be saved and ask for the help they need. However it is on you when you ignore or go out of your way to alienate and actively kick down people struggling with their darknesses. Saving someone takes more than one as they need to want to be saved and require a guiding light away from the darkness and a hand to pull them out. A person can only go so far on their own, everyone needs help to true salvation. How much help and good people looking out for you, you have the quicker your betterment is and vice verse. As I’ve been explained we aren’t just individuals, we’re individuals that all live in a society together. It is everyone responsibility to look out for each other and promote the best in each other and offer help when needed, even when said people don’t know they need it. We all affect each other’s lives in our societies so we all share each other’s burdens when it matters most. James didn’t just not see a good person struggling in a tough lonely and position surrounded by darkness but he actively reinforced the worst of said persons demons and alienated him entirely from the right side. Yes Snape had a fascination with the dark arts but we never see him being actively dark, tortures, or murderous to anyone. He’s a ambitious and cleaver individual determined to push boundaries and invent spells. He’s model perfectly to Slytherin value which ain’t inherently evil. Yes Snape could’ve not befriends death eaters but when the alternative was actively tormenting him made his choice that much more simpler in his eyes. James biggest flaw was his mistake in picking his who his friends and enemies were and it cost him his and his wife’s life. Harry learned this lesson in reaching out to enemies and it save his life as with the malfoys. That lesson alone allowed him to survive his war and raise his family unlike his father. The societal institutions failed him as it failed countless generations of innocent children to be victims of unhealthy and unsupportive upbringing. JK doesn’t understand the role systemic issues has on societal outcomes and thus waves off these issues with indifference or outright apologia in the form of ‘it is what it is’. Sad truth is that James was born lucky to not be shackled with these issues & only was ever reinforced against it. Thus I give him way less credit for where he ended up than Snape who had to overcome mountains of more problems than him to also end up on the side of good.
@paulyb7267
@paulyb7267 Ай бұрын
And do you know who else also had the same home life struggles as Snape, yeah Black and Lupin, and look how James helped them and gave them the stability which they lacked in their own lives. Also, James did not kill Lily and try to kill Harry; the only people responsible for that happening in the first place are Tom Riddle himself, Wormtail, and Snape.
@BlackSteelKeyChain
@BlackSteelKeyChain Ай бұрын
@@paulyb7267 did you read my whole post cause I explained this. Yes, all these people with bad home lives got very lucky at Hogwarts with going to a socially healthy and progressive house and had good friends with not bullies or abuse. Snape got unlucky with both home and school.
@alight_everdeen
@alight_everdeen Ай бұрын
I love these timeline videos ❤
@brandonosis94
@brandonosis94 Ай бұрын
@MovieFlame Love this!! Keep up the great work buddy!! 🎉⚡️🦉
@mattchatfield7083
@mattchatfield7083 Ай бұрын
I will come back to watch this kater
@shaneshepherd6623
@shaneshepherd6623 Ай бұрын
These videos are amazing!
@Ohiomom2
@Ohiomom2 Ай бұрын
Love watching your videos ❤
@carlacastillo3110
@carlacastillo3110 Ай бұрын
another great video morgan, your videos, are incredible.
@H4WK_TALON
@H4WK_TALON 21 күн бұрын
James Potter reminds me of my brother. He was a bully and unmature when he was a kid, but now he's the opposite
@PoolKid75
@PoolKid75 Ай бұрын
I think anyone that has ever felt unrequited love can relate to Snape. You would be a miserable and angry too.
@IndigoWilliams22
@IndigoWilliams22 Ай бұрын
You did a great job with this video. I was wondering if you could make a video timeline of the Death Eaters.
@Serbantakey
@Serbantakey Ай бұрын
Respect!you look so good with glasses
@Cats3life
@Cats3life Ай бұрын
So early BTW I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS❤ YOU’RE AMAZING🤩
@roccothepuppy8332
@roccothepuppy8332 Ай бұрын
Loved the video! So cool learning about Harry Potter lore and info. Keep up the good work!
@iamsnehanavghare
@iamsnehanavghare Ай бұрын
Wow...nicely explained ❤
@nachmanmeumanbaby
@nachmanmeumanbaby Ай бұрын
You had me almost tearing up at some points 🥹🥹😢
@TheMugglebornWitch
@TheMugglebornWitch Ай бұрын
morgan NEEDS to start a podcast
@acs30gaming98
@acs30gaming98 Ай бұрын
Dumbledore just pulled a reverse Palpatine after Lily died 😂 18:28
@dgg74890
@dgg74890 Ай бұрын
For the people who have read the books, or seen the films a lot and feel as though they understand the characters, we can see that Snape loved Lily. However, I have listened to Potterless (a podcast about a grown man reading children’s books for the first time, and I agree with the man, Mike Schubert. No matter what your intentions, you have to realize when it is too late. In the books it says that Snape stalked Lily, and he told Voldemort that he could kill James and Harry, but just keep Harry alive. That is very self centered, to only keep a family (Lily, because he loved her) alive because he loved her. Snape didn’t care about Harry, even when he was supposed to be protecting him. But Dumbledore put it best “You disgust me,” said Dumbledore and Harry had never heard so much contempt in his voice. Snape seemed to shrink a little. “You do not care, then, about the deaths of her husband and child? They can die as long as you have what you want?” - Deathly Hallows, a princes tale. But right there, Snape is fine with Harry Potter being killed as long as Lily lives. That’s very selfish. But as we know, or at least those who read the books, Snape killed Dumbledore on his own orders, so I guess that kind of redeems him. But for those of us who have watched Pirates of the Caribbean, “One soul is not equal to another”, long live Davey Jones, the most real resurected sea monster.
@RMills646
@RMills646 Ай бұрын
Seeing this video makes snape so much creepier. He essentially insulted his best friend with a slur, and then obsessed over her for years. He was fine with letting her husband and newborn son die because he wanted her, and then only bothered to care about harry because of the eyes thing. Snape is a creep who people only like thanks to Alan Rickman's amazing portrayal
@root13pie
@root13pie Ай бұрын
He was a creep until Lily's death, but more noble afterwards. That later nobility is what people see and like in the films.
@lucyk2634
@lucyk2634 Ай бұрын
You just can't understand the deepness of his character, nor his emotions. Oh yeah and btw, after 7th book I loved him even though I didn't watch the movies.
@prisyrose
@prisyrose Ай бұрын
If you are incapable of liking complex characters, just say that. Don't project that onto Snape fans. Book Snape's writing is far more superior and compelling than movies.
@takirarucker7613
@takirarucker7613 Ай бұрын
@@lucyk2634I couldn’t get behind him once I found out that he used slurs to not only Lily but other muggleborns because to me it just means that on some level he believed what he was saying
@vikkran401
@vikkran401 Ай бұрын
@@prisyrose Seems rather you are incapable of recognizing that OP is referring to Snape's actions, completely unrelated to complex writing as a character. I don't like Snape because he is a bullying creep and I agree with OP, but it still doesn't change the fact I think he's an interesting and complex character.
@NataliM2013
@NataliM2013 Ай бұрын
Love your videos Morgan! Also first😁
@a2stick952
@a2stick952 Ай бұрын
Sick video 😂🎉
@DryBones271
@DryBones271 Ай бұрын
Contratery to Hermione, whom Harry never once disrespected. In fact the one and only Tim they were ever angry with each other was when Harry got a Firebolt, and Hermione told McGonagal, that it was likely from Sirius and cursed (she was only half right though).
@bluewolf2708
@bluewolf2708 Ай бұрын
I read the first book.. Harry and Ron were both mean to Hermione at times. When Ron immediately disliked her, he never once tried to hide his annoyance when she was around. When Hermione was trying to tell them not to go to the midnight duel saying, "It's really is right" or something like that, Harry said, "It really isn't any of your business." Ron always tried to shoo Hermione away because he was annoyed just by her existence. Eventually they did make amends and became friends, but I'll never forget how shocked I was at how mean they both were to Hermione, more so Ron. They redeemed themselves, so I'm not going to hold a grudge. But saying they were never mean or mad at her until the firebolt is wrong.
@anchaleeintac.2195
@anchaleeintac.2195 Ай бұрын
nice glasses!!!
@rubyrose3553
@rubyrose3553 Ай бұрын
Great video
@user-me5pc4em8r
@user-me5pc4em8r 29 күн бұрын
Amazing video
@gakeppl
@gakeppl Ай бұрын
Sorry but Snape being a capricorn makes no sense to me at all, he should've been a cancer
@paulyb7267
@paulyb7267 Ай бұрын
Even Lily's friends didn't like her friendship with Snape and thought that Snape was no good for her. Mary thought that Snape would corrupt Lily while Marlene (who can be considered more of a sister to Lily than Petunia) absolutely despised Snape.
@jameslough6329
@jameslough6329 Ай бұрын
They were only saying that because Snape was in Slytherin
@jaydas8976
@jaydas8976 Ай бұрын
@@jameslough6329that’s actually not the reason why they disliked him, they disliked him because of Snape’s love for the dark arts. Lily’s friends also disliked him because Snape was friends with very dark wizards who aspired to be death eaters. The main reason they disliked him is because of how Snape aspired to be a death eater too
@jameslough6329
@jameslough6329 Ай бұрын
@@jaydas8976 Slytherin is filled with dark wizards who aspired to be death eaters tho. Lily was his only friend outside of Slytherin and he didn’t get to see her very often so it only makes sense that he would try to get along with the people in his house that he was around 24-7. It’s pretty obvious he didn’t actually believe in the superiority of pure bloods
@paulyb7267
@paulyb7267 Ай бұрын
@@jameslough6329 If you think that it was because of him being a Slytherin, then why did James have an excellent relationship with Andromeda Tonks?
@jameslough6329
@jameslough6329 Ай бұрын
@@paulyb7267 I don’t remember a lot about that but I don’t think he was friends with her for most of his time at school. I think he mainly only became friends with her when he joined the Order and by then Lily had changed him into a better man
@Shadful_2
@Shadful_2 Ай бұрын
Great video 👍😀🖒
@connorredshaw5650
@connorredshaw5650 Ай бұрын
Lily? after all this time?. Always RIP Alan Rickman 😢
@LazyOldFusspot_3428
@LazyOldFusspot_3428 Ай бұрын
"You haven't dated anyone in all these years?"
@mochastudios606
@mochastudios606 Ай бұрын
I hope this gives you a laugh. When I first saw the video I thought I saw Snivilly. I know know that it wasn't but thought it was funnybans hope it gives you a laugh as well. Good video as always man keep upnthe great work.
@mattchatfield7083
@mattchatfield7083 Ай бұрын
Good video Movie flame
@griseldamiller174
@griseldamiller174 Ай бұрын
I’ve always thought that if Snape had told lily he loved her when she asked why she was different to other muffle borns she would possibly had given him a chance.
@LoLsigma1
@LoLsigma1 Ай бұрын
Love the video great work Morgan (move flame ❤)
@maddieluu2277
@maddieluu2277 Ай бұрын
I like the glasses 😊
@juliacable9820
@juliacable9820 Ай бұрын
You have the same glasses as my sister it’s pretty cool
@iralisbisbal9739
@iralisbisbal9739 Ай бұрын
Dont know why you look younger with glasses😂, ps. Huge fan your videos made me reconect and be a bigger potterhead that i could think of. Hi from Puerto Rico
@donhatter159
@donhatter159 Ай бұрын
Your Dog Is Awesome
@Tincan611
@Tincan611 Ай бұрын
Hey Morgan! I was just wondering if you had checked out the fan made film « The greater good » by Broad strokes? I really miss the fan film reaction series 😭😭
@sofusotte8574
@sofusotte8574 Ай бұрын
Can you do a series of : -Maze Runner -Divergient - Narnia - Twillight
@Percyjacksonfan-gb8nk
@Percyjacksonfan-gb8nk Ай бұрын
when are you doing the last lord of the rings film video
@connorwiederich
@connorwiederich Ай бұрын
I'm excited to see his reaction to "counts as one" moment.
@Swiftie_Potterhead
@Swiftie_Potterhead Ай бұрын
I honestly love Snape and Lily together
@donhatter159
@donhatter159 Ай бұрын
Same
@AlexB-vt5xe
@AlexB-vt5xe Ай бұрын
thanks mate
@Cats3life
@Cats3life Ай бұрын
Lily after all this time? Always❤😢
@Sigma_Male_Anti_Female
@Sigma_Male_Anti_Female Ай бұрын
What's this referencing?
@Cats3life
@Cats3life Ай бұрын
@@Sigma_Male_Anti_Female dumbledore and snape
@Sigma_Male_Anti_Female
@Sigma_Male_Anti_Female Ай бұрын
@@Cats3life I need more context.
@Luckycharm754
@Luckycharm754 Ай бұрын
​@@Sigma_Male_Anti_Female Snape's patronus took the form of a doe. Dumbledore understood this was Lily's patronus. He said, "After all this time?" "Always." was Snape's reply. (This is from memory btw, so it's not book-accurate, but it is what essentially happened.)
@Harrypotterfans12121
@Harrypotterfans12121 Ай бұрын
One of my crashes when I was little was Severus🤣🤣🤣🤭🤭😆😜😝😹😂😂😹😝🤭😜🤣
@SpecHawk35
@SpecHawk35 Ай бұрын
This is new for me being this early into one of your vids
@Yaymess
@Yaymess Ай бұрын
Hey Morgan I was wondering could you play the old ominous music that's some what relaxing and scary. Not a fan of the up beat happy fun music in the background.
@Winthertainment
@Winthertainment Ай бұрын
Hey MovieFlame. Any update on your review for the rest of the Netflix Avatar episodes?
@nicholascarbonara7305
@nicholascarbonara7305 Ай бұрын
Lilly’s whole personality “she gave a dirty look”
@Hp-fan_11
@Hp-fan_11 Ай бұрын
I love movie flame so much he is my favorite hp KZfaqr
@Sunnie-xi3pp
@Sunnie-xi3pp Ай бұрын
I love your cute dog Loki Morgan
@francisgrizzlysmit4715
@francisgrizzlysmit4715 Ай бұрын
the glasses look great mate,
@craftyHPLover367
@craftyHPLover367 Ай бұрын
OH Cokeworth is one of the places the Dursleys fled to, from the Admissions letters for Harry, I believe it's the site of the hotel, where they had cold tinned tomatoes on toast, and the manager came over to say there were about 100 letters at the desk for Harry
@JamesPlayz-pw1pk
@JamesPlayz-pw1pk Күн бұрын
Not many people remember In the deathly hallows part two The last line from the actor of Lilly potter was “always” And the last words we hear from the actor of snape were “always” ( not counting the scene after bc it’s a repeat)
@Rainbowofthefallen
@Rainbowofthefallen Ай бұрын
Just commenting for the algorithm 💜💙
@sporadicdev
@sporadicdev 28 күн бұрын
i love the clothes from temu they look branded but they're a quarter of the price. temu has everything from house appliances, everyday tools and clothes. if need to buy something thats not groceries ill look up temu for sure
@user-ye1tk5ew4z
@user-ye1tk5ew4z Ай бұрын
I wanted to know if you have also read the Kane Chronicles and Magnus Chase.
@korebeauraguard
@korebeauraguard Ай бұрын
MOVIEFLAME NEVER DISAPPOINTS
@alesonu
@alesonu Ай бұрын
It is so funny to me that people love to see whats on the surface but never like to delve deep. Snape hated muggle born and he used racial slur. Well yeah he hated muggles, did anyone miss the fact that he and his mother were abused my his muggle father? And then he was made fun of by Petunia (another muggle)? James bullied him but everyone loves blaming Snape for getting bullied. This is the most shocking to me. James started the rivalry, ganged up on him 4:1, abused and tortured hin publicly with everyone laughing on him and just coz Snape tried defend himself, it somehow became mutual bullying?? Are you going to stand and get yourself tortured without defiance? And if you defend then that's bullying? Everyone is after Snape being into dark arts. So what?? Can't a person have passion? Criminal psychologist have to delve into the psyche of criminal so now if they search about various crimes and the motives behind the criminal, does that mean, we have to go and torture that person coz he showed interest in motives of criminal? Yes he had one sided love for Lily and yes, it went on for all his life. But why just twist it just because he was not a saint? Can't a person with shaky moral grounds love someone?? What kinda obsession did he show? Did he drugged her and married her like Voldy's mum did to Tom Riddle? Did he forcefully marry her? Did he try to ruin the married life of her and James? Exactly what makes his one sided love suddenly obsession?? I know Snape was not a good person but making innocent thing he did in his life as some kinda hidden motive is just beyond ridiculous!!
@minavukovic
@minavukovic Ай бұрын
You are so right, I couldn't have explained it better myself ✔️
@LJD93
@LJD93 Ай бұрын
So what is your excuse for him bullying and abusing innocent children
@alesonu
@alesonu Ай бұрын
@@LJD93 First and foremost unlike you all, I am not trying to justify someone bullying and abuse. I am just saying that how you guys twist the narrative and use your own imagination to form a different story that is not even canon. Somehow James bullying him became James trying to protect students as he use to practice dark arts Somehow Sirius trying to get Snape murdered became Snape knowing Lupin's WW identity and going there on full moon to frame Sirius Though James and Sirius gave a derogatory name to Snape on their first meeting and started insulting him first, became Snape insulting James Unlike you guys, I am not justifying what Snape did by trashy narrative. In fact, I clearly said he was not a good person but why should I discount the abuse and suffering he went through??
@moviemelody2210
@moviemelody2210 Ай бұрын
Can you do a video of the Marauders Era year by year? (I know you do an over view of the 4 from beginning to end but it would be interesting to see what happened every year during their time in Hogwarts)
@Richardsonprincess00
@Richardsonprincess00 Ай бұрын
Hopefully they'll show the video of about the wizarding kind of the wizard world soon.
@Richardsonprincess00
@Richardsonprincess00 27 күн бұрын
*types of wizards species Sorry, I forgot about this.
@treinspotter_GUY
@treinspotter_GUY Ай бұрын
Can you make a vid about every spell Harry casted
@KrishnaVaasudevImmidi
@KrishnaVaasudevImmidi Ай бұрын
Hey Morgan... I have an idea for another roast for cursed child. It may be written by Rita Skeeter...
@user-ro8gh1nn3m
@user-ro8gh1nn3m Ай бұрын
Can you do a sirius black and marlene video plz
@quackxquick716
@quackxquick716 Ай бұрын
Movie flame can you please try to make more pjo vids
@DianolisTrinidad
@DianolisTrinidad Ай бұрын
Can you do a video of your dog please (i love your dog) and is your dog is a Australia shepherd?
@1SonOfAthena1
@1SonOfAthena1 Ай бұрын
Ay Morgan this is day 7 of trynna get you to make more pjo content
@XxgremIin_guyxX
@XxgremIin_guyxX Ай бұрын
Percy jackson doesn't have that much content
@1SonOfAthena1
@1SonOfAthena1 Ай бұрын
@@XxgremIin_guyxX I mean I want him to make like "giving Harry Potter characters gold parents" or "the sun and the star review" or "the life (insert pjo character name)" stuff like that
@user-zb3fe2wu6c
@user-zb3fe2wu6c Ай бұрын
Can you pls make a video about Merlin plsssss
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