In other words, they are forced to play a Yoko Taro/NiER game.

@@dvader518 "Delete the waifu" -Janeway after looking at 2B's butt.

As someone who has trouble deleting their save games, I know the pain.

They show more compassion for their virtual toys than the crew of the Equinox.

@@planescaped Or Tuvix

So true!!

100% agree

after seeing it in this vid I had to immediately check the comments for anyone mentioning it b/c yes it's incredible.

Lmao 🤣

That's because Janeway IS a crazy monster - she just can't show this to the crew, so like a good sociopath she finds other ways of living out her fantasies. Like "killing" holodeck-creatures ... Oh man, i wish this whole perception filter-problem would have even given Mr. Irish boytoy the ability to remember his wife and her sudden disappearance ... Would have been hilarious if he confronted Janeway about that too.

Seska really needed to program a murderous Tuvix hologram.

​@@chrisbullard5901 Not a bad idea, except I'm pretty sure she had left the ship before Tuvix was a thing. Maybe Michael Jonas could have done it?

Not quite. "Coffee, black."

"I can't believe I can do this for free...normally when I ask that question, it costs me $50,000 and a reminder that this meeting never happened" -Psycho Janeway

The trick is not that she's going to kill someone in 2 seconds, it's that she killed someone 2 seconds ago.

*browsing the starfleet ticket backlog* this one keeps getting set to low priority by someone named...Moriarty?!

That would be kind of a hilarious and fitting reason. I can imagine that as a Lower Decks joke.

Who says they became sentient in this episode? They were still relatively simple simulations unlike the Doctor, all that stopped working was the filter that stopped them from reacting to things outside their program. Which made this even worse, because with Moriarty and so on you had real sentient AI - but these guys are not, so who cares about the problems. Oh, i forgot: "They might not be real, but our feelings for them are!" Yes, that makes it better ...

​@@lordmontymord8701 They perceive events that occur outside of the program being run, interact with each other behind the scenes to conspire, interact with the ship itself in ways that damage it, and many other things that where considered unique to one Professor Moriarty, Fontaine, the Dr. and a handful of other Holograms written with specific 'Sentence Code' as part of the character. Without that Sentence Code, and it really is the thing just go read Fontaine's page, these characters have as much understanding of the world around them as any Non-Player Character I run in an of my fantasy game. The moment those N.P.C's start interacting with the meta game that the players are using to create a story... fourth wall breaking... you have to explain why to the people behind the screens and not just their fictional characters. The writers for Star Trek long gave up on trying to do that because it is a lot harder to think like a computer program then most people give credit for. Take the wheel for a prime example: A N.P.C. would not be aware of the reset to the program, no memory of the tire being broken exists after you reset it out of reality. No one will ask about the vehicle that crashed because it is no longer relevant to the plot. All of those characters would have no memory period, because that requires computing power that is simulated by much more simple processes in such minor characters. Once one of those character walks through a door they will vanish, and the backstory of what the non-player character was doing would pop into existence only when it became relevant to the players sometime in the future plot. Holodecks do the same thing, but writers seem to have decided that would be boring! Cause it really would be, imagine what Fontaine would be like without the Sentience Code written into him....

@@lostbutfreesoul Well that answers a few questions I had, thank you.

Yeah this would be a known complication at this point wth

He wasn't "well loved". Nobody liked Rimmer at all! Oh wait, wrong show.

TO be fair the dr didnt grow that way he was built that way from the beginning. NOt everyone would know of the Moriarty incidents on the enterprise.

That is the biggest groaner to me. Considering what the Doctors program will be used for, slave labour, you really an feel the irony. These writers could have had some really good gold on their hands, if they didn't have to write episodically.

@@jhoughjr1 Surely Picard told Starfleet about the event and some sort of investigation came about. Given that it could pose potential danger. But on the other hand I suppose it could be seen as a fluke, along with the other holodeck mishaps, and not considered a notable threat. Or they were investigating this just before Voyager was lost and couldn’t communicate any findings. Hmmm. Maybe you’re right.

So is "Harry's Irish Cow Girlfriend". Second only to "Taxidermy Juice Dog".

It was one thing when Harry never got promoted, never got a steady girlfriend, and had every humiliating misfortune imaginable befall him with alarming regularity. But when Garrett Wang asked to direct an episode and got outright denied, the only Trek actor ever to receive that treatment, that's when you realize it went beyond Harry just being the butt-monkey - I think Rick Berman actually hated Garrett Wang for some reason.

as is the right of one of the 50 people to be voted most beautiful in the world for 1997's People Magazine

I don't know why every 90's Trek show has this character who's man of colour and comically struggles with getting a girlfriend

@@limalepakko6074 I give Enterprise credit for shaking up the status quo. On that show, it was the pasty white British guy who couldn't get a girlfriend 😆

Except DS9 (although the ladies man of that show was still...Quark)

I was going to say the same thing.

I should have scrolled down before saying the same thing.

Too soon, man. Too soon. 😔😏

I had no idea it did, and for this?!? I've never liked awards shows cause they are full of pretentious elites that hate pop culture anything while fawning over their own particular brand of smelling their own farts.

In theory there would be no reaction as they could only perceive whatever character she was portraying. With these writers though, the torches would have been brought out in a second!

That would have been a more interesting storyline, leaning into the mythology and fantasy elements. The village as it was was cringey af

I was dying! Also the whole palpatine bit was cracking me up so hard

* irish walking noises *

They should have brought Colm Meaney in as guest star, so he could go "Not again! The Irish stereotypes were bad enough on TNG!".

Faith and begorrah boyo, what are ye on about

​@@noisepuppetknowone says faith and bagorra. No irish person does.

@@emperorsean1 yes I know, I was writing a bad Irish accent to make fun of Voyager's terrible Irish town. Always after me Lucky Charms!

Australian here. I can only imagine the fun we could have had, if the Voyager crew had created a holodeck program based on Alice Springs.

Yeah, they struck gold with Bride Of Chaotica. Maybe not the *best* of all holodeck episodes, but quite possibly the most fun.

The stupid holonovel was even supposed to get more screentime as a mystery adventure for Janeway (the whole "my wife is dead, lets not talk about her" and "DO NEVER GO INTO THIS ROOM"-thing). I think it was Jeri Taylors idea like so many bad things related to Janeway. She was obsessed with it. But other people had to explain to her that most Trek-fans would not appreciate a storyline about a Victorian era holonovel, where we only see Janeway solving a mystery thats even fictional in-universe. Holodeck malfunctions, as bad as they are, create at least a little bit of tension - this ain't. Sometimes you have to wonder how these people find a job ...

I always thought there was a bit of Turn of the Screw in there with that holo-novel.

Eh no, the Maquis members were all brainwashed from the start of the show to play along. And the only ones who didn't fully comply like the three from Learning Course are never seen again ...

I read that as space cod and spent several seconds trying to picture one, and someone playing it.

Fun game: Watch "Up the Long Ladder" and see if you can pinpoint the exact moment when Colm Meaney dies inside.

@@jbwarner8626 I'm glad he got more say about this sort of thing in DS9. There was an early episode where some aliens showed up disguised as characters from the crews imagination, and the one that drew from O'Brien's imagination was going to be a stereotypical leprechaun. Colm managed to talk them into making it Rumpelstiltskin instead.

TOS also has a couple of Irish serotype characters. Outside of DS9 Trek really has a dislike of the Irish.

@@jbwarner8626 That game is actually pretty fun.

Yes, "Up the Long Ladder". I dare Allison to suffer through that delightfully bizarre episode. It's definitely amusing, though. :-)

Not really, The weather in Ireland is more bipolar it can rain and be sunny in the same day.

Don’t forget the RAIN 😂

@@Maestro4759 yep pretty much

@@gracekim25 It can even snow and then rain and then be sunny, like several times a day.

Our weather is always crap

As an outsider (i'm from Germany) i would even ask why the US as a whole is so obsessed with this fake version of Ireland. I know many people there have Irish ancestors, but yeah, let's honor them by using the St. Patricks Day as a reason to get drunk, which is in no way an old prejudice against the Irish.

I suspect that most actors in Hollywood want a reason to show off their fake Irish accent!

Wait... isn't the fifth commandment about honoring your parents?

@@Nintendon85 Not in Catholicism. In the Catholic order, it's "Thou shall not kill". Since this is meant to be old Ireland and the Doctor brings up "Our father"s as penance, this heavily indicates he's meant to be a Catholic priest. With how much Voyager screws up science, them screwing up religion isn't surprising.

@@VerdantRange Did not know that, thanks. Though given the same guy started up a town mob and was the most eager to torture Tom and Harry for information, I'm not surprised. It would be hilarious if it was intentional though. Him casually admitting to more murder and the doctor being oblivious.

@@Nintendon85 That would be funny, but considering how incompetent Voyager's writing could get, putting money on this being a screw up is a safe bet.

@@VerdantRange also the guy seemed a bit old to be going "Fuck you dad" and feeling guilty about it later

The secret wish of every side chick.

Thanks for the ❤ had to fix a spelling error I made though.

Or Quark trying to create an accurate Kira-sex-hologram for a greasy customer 😁

Remember when that google engineer got fired when he claimed that AI chatbot was sentient? The problem with passing the Turing test is forgetting its all just code. There is no thought at all going on.

We are in fact the Hologram running 24/7 for too long

@@craigh5236 That’s like saying that the human brain is “all just chemical reactions.”

While modern language models do not display the motivation, personality, or logical reasoning that one could declare to be characteristic of a thinking entity, that does not mean that thought cannot arise from electrical impulses in silicon - what code creates, at a basic level - any more than the fact that human thought arises from chemical reactions that produce electrical impulses in carbon-based systems means that it is not real.

@@elcapo8785 Not arguing or debating the logistics of sentience, just trying to draw parallels between an old show and experiences of today. I’m not even throwing shade at the people who got attached to the AI, to be fair. You’re not wrong at all and I find it all fascinating, but I’m making sure you understand I was kidding around.

you can thank a last minute google search for that because I did NOT remember that episode lol

@@AllisonPregler well done

But at least that one had "Delete the wife" in it.

I was wondering about how all the misery of 19th century Ireland seemed completely non-existent in Fairhaven. Janeway made sure to delete all the famine and oppressive English land owners, I guess. How benevolent.

@@Khenfu_Cake such is the will of Janeway! All Hail! 🤣

Reminds me of Master Ninja and the "Tranquility of Postwar Japan"

I think it's effectively confirmed that Quark's holosuites on DS9 are brothels.

@@cmbeadle2228 That's really save to assume. I mean we even got the episode where Quark was supposed to create a Kira-sex"bot" for one of his customers ...

@@cmbeadle2228 Lower Decks too, the episode where they're trying to get Mariner to quit the ship: "Has Mariner submitted her transfer request? I'm going to frame it." "She's… having a great time." "What?!" "She's finding little ways to inject joy into otherwise horrible tasks." "Then give her worse jobs." "I've got her emptying *bleep* out of the holodeck's *bleep* filter!" "… Ugh. People really use it for that?" "Oh yeah. It's mostly that." No prizes for guessing the censored word there.

They would need to shut it down periodically.... you know... to mop down the floor and walls.

Especially how cheesy & fun they are!

that episode didn't suck out loud it was meant to be cheesy camp and it was cheesy camp- a dry, boring cheese- and a recycled one at that (they took this story idea straight from DS9), but still; not sure there's enough meat on those bones to pick off

The best television has ever been

Why didn't Tom keep that one running? That was a thousand times more interesting than fucking Leprechaun Land where everyone is drunk off their ass and scared of fair folk! I will never forgive him for wasting processing power on the most fucking boring virtual reality program in existence! A holodeck is only limited by the imagination of the user! He could've had a Camelot populated by Dinosaur Knights that fight zombie werewolves! Fuck you Tom! You wasted our time on bullshit!

My favorites.

Must be a computer virus that contaminated the entire starfleet holo tech after they scanned Moriaty

When the Enterprise-D was programming Moriarty it did drain a lot of energy from the ship meaning preventing accidental sentience should be a default holodeck safety protocol to prevent impairement of other ship functions. *Vic and the EMH not counting since they are designed to be heuristic

Pair of socks? Half a bagel? 😂

The only thing missing is an author who provoke murder on a regular basis just by existing.

I wonder if you would have still liked it if they went by the original plans ... From what i know Jery Taylor wanted the holonovel to play a bigger part, but this was denied, because there isn't that much fun for the viewer following Janeway solving a mystery thats even fictional in-universe.

I think Up the Long Ladder was worse when it came to the stereotypes. And that episode had Colm Meaney in it: he must have been so pissed ...

Oh man, I hope she does that one too

Ireland, Scotland, everybody gets in on the Romantic Edwardian stereotypes

I suppose that makes Janeway the Frog Hybrid Girlfriend

sometimes i'd swear janeway was descended from the charmed ones. both even have q. he's just pretending to be an elder on charmed cause he's bored in that time period. and like her ancestors the charmed ones, Janeway wants things down her way and sometimes innocents don't get saved. xD

I love how Lower Decks despite it's love about the Franchise isn't afraid of calling the stupid or goofy things that happened in Trek

I kinda wish lower Decks would reference stuff less. I like the show, and when they actually do there own new stuff it can get a laugh out of me, like Ferengi TV having cop-landlords, but too often Lower Decks does seem to just reference something and not develop it more.

For its 100% accurate portrayal of Ireland, no doubt!

@@johnpotts8308 facts

Ah I agree, the craic aside Id say these voyager episodes are industrial cringe. The 18th c is "the age of enlightenment," when Dublin was the 6th biggest city in a Europe that was leaping ahead in technology. The second city of the British Empire in a time when that empire was lead militarily and then politically by an Irish person. Our people were among the most privilaved of the intelligencia of the day and nothing like this atomic level cringe.

it's bizarre that the franchise that gave us shit like this and Up The Long Ladder also gave us the Irish Reunification of 2024 and Hero Of The Proletariat Miles O'Brien

@@ByrneMJames it was the 19th century and you need to brush up on your history, the people in Ireland were far from privileged in the 18th-19th centuries they mostly lived in destitute and eat potatoes, gb policies would later kill and migrate millions. Ireland was treated as a backwater colony and duke of wellington was anglo-Irish and upper-class which distinguished him from 99% of his countrymen. (correction it's the 20th century)

"A Fistful of Datas" is also quite fun.

Everybody gangster until Nog uses it to get through an existential crisis

Futuramas parody of the holodeck, the holo-shed was so spot on: Moriarty to Evil Lincoln and the others: "Righto, gents. It's another simulation gone mad, so murder and mayhem - standard procedure!"

Yeah, there's actually some fun Holodeck episodes on DS9 and TNG, but there's just so much trash

it does look like the 1900s more tbh.

And that was also a great callback to early cinema-SF.

Tbf doesn't Paris start the series as a convicted terrorist?

Exactly. Well that, and the possibly horrific stuff that gets glossed over or shown as “good actually”. Like being so desperate to get home that they would give the Borg a way to defeat the only other lifeform to consistently keep them on their heels. Then again, Enterprise had episodes like that too. They both had so much cool potential but consistently under utilized it.

Which is why reviewer SFdebris invented his version of Crazy Janeway: As he said most of the time Janeways decisions would make sense for his version, but "good" Janeway must be incompetent or switches her character constantly.

@@lordmontymord8701 There was also 'chump Janeway' who kept getting surprised when seven or the doctor kept walking all over her and putting the crew in danger.

My worst fear. I hope I’m dead by then.

Picard season 3: Somehow Palpatine...err Lore returned.

So you telling me that, in a very convulated way, Voyager was the Bad Place all along ?

Tuvix was a real person, these are just holograms. So feelings for him don't count ... if i correctly understand Janeways reasoning 😁

One of many wasted potential ideas on that series. I like ST:Voyager, but the writers did virtually nothing with the core premise of the show. ST:V is a Star Trek show that should have been heavy on continuity, like having the ship become progressively damaged and "Frankensteined" with random parts throughout the series. Hell, ST:Enterpise did a much better job at illustrating the ship stuck in the great expanse without assistance.

Problem with this thought - Can you fit it into a single episode, maybe a two part? It is the curse of episodic writing and board of directors... I joke a lot at the writers expense but it is more environmental. Great idea though, and a perfect excuse or the dreaded 'Sudden Sentence Code Development' storyline to pop up from time to time... and the ship having to deal with the consequences of that. I like to imagine half the crew being holographic by the end of the trip home, as a faction had taken over the ship but the situation still meant joining the Federation was the best bet for survival. Descendants of the original crew bring a seriously battered and damaged ship back to port... but we instead got a single captain with insane luck and time bending skills!

"Unable to comply, Groppler Zorn Alpha is too powerful to run"

@@dm121984Fine!!!! Computer, grace us with the Alpha version of Groppler Zorn?!?!?!

Well, I've heard people call Voyage "Gilligan's Island in SpacE" so that goes full circle. It needs a Mitch though.

Janeway's holo-sexbot was among them, that probably played in their favor.

Irish holo boy toy was much more bangable than Tuvix (eww), so clearly his existence mattered more 😆

For a show hailed as a bastion of inclusiveness and diversity, they sure had a tough time respecting particular real-life cultures.