Films I hate that most people seem to love: Dune part one and two...

To a degree, although often people like things for simple reasons, so there isn't a whole lot to get. People like wish fulfillment, tearjerkers and when the hero beats the villain for the most part. And then there is the type who likes to read into films meaning that isn't there, so they can never communicate their reasons based on anything objective about the work (tbh, DFL is an example of this type). Beyond that, there's room for discussion.

@@DanLyndon "read into" can be subjective in and of itself - at face value, all that tells me is that you can't see what they see. Sometimes someone finds meaning in a film because it taps into something personal *for them* in ways that aren't always explicit. What an artist intended is partially irrelevant if the viewer finds something in it that speaks to them, and them not being able to articulate it perfectly isn't some inherent proof that what they see/feel isn't true for them. Life and people are nuanced enough that perspective and one's place in life can play a huge role in viewer interpretation... *especially* with more abstract films but even the "simplest, most straightforward" films can be a rorschach for some too because the blanks leave that much more room for emotional projection and interpolation. And some people aren't so caught up in the objective details of a film, they just know how they feel. Bottom line, there's a difference between disagreeing with someone versus immediately dismissing their love for something just because you don't see it. Films mean different things to different people.

Completely agree. Having a specific audience is how movies should be. Today’s movies try checking every audience box, and thus appeal to no one.

That is a good practice overall, but some films, like Joker, you gotta be ruthless with.

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Umbrellas of Cherbourg is so exceptional in that it illustrates that if you’re making a musical, do it all the way: present a coherent, beautifully filmed story in lyrical prose.

Not a fan of musicals either---and I loved that movie!

they are definitely intended to be more than just friends

@@fluff975 It never happened throughout the whole movie.

@@Elephant2024-wi2li they kiss at the end and she literally says "I love you Gary" right before the credits roll

I agree. There is nothing like what I saw in An American in Paris these days. That was mesmerizing.

It’s an odd movie and the weirder thing was there was more controversy around anti-asian racism than the love story at the time.

I'm just gonna comment on your thread adding my 2 cents to the most personal movie of all time for me. I disagree with your take that Alana doesn't wanna grow up. It's clear that the only reason she's attracted to Gary is his adulthood posturing, taking her on PR trips and starting businesses. The next question would be, if you have a man and a woman, living in the same place with a mutual need to grow up, why aren't they dating? Oh well he's a horny teen which pisses her off (there's like 4 instances where she hates being objectified by dudes) But the real genius of the film, which I think people are underrating, is how the listless, car-centric hangout movie framework pioneered by Lucas, Linklater and Tarantino allows for their companionship to thrive. If both are adults/teens then you have a generic rom-com. (The script's structure is rom-com where the physicality of kissing is replaced by the physicality of running, which also makes this the hangout with the fastest pace) Lastly, where teen coming of age movies define growth as college. what the film seems to be saying is that adulthood isn't a destination (as we see there's no such thing as job stability nowadays). She realizes it's much easier to grow next to Gary, then it is choosing your career over your lover due to cultural homophobia. Especially when they already worked around the dangers on the surface of their relationship. Yes in life, I don't want to see teens and adults kissing, but PTA is smarter, concluding that you can have a stolen kiss (especially in a patriarchal society) and words of affirmation but the person in power over an inappropriate crush will never allow it to be sexualized.

@@RB-.- yeah, it was a little strange how quick everyone in my audience was to laugh at that joke. I’ve heard claims that it was a statement about racism in the 70s but it was presented like a Family Guy joke

The criticism of this movie drives me crazy!! Movies aren’t morality plays. It’s about a girl with an under age boy. So the F what? That kind of thing happens. Nothing is being endorsed, just depicted. And as for the racism, that’s coming from a character, and some people are racist. That character was obviously an idiot. How does that make PTA racist? Or a pedophile? We’re fine with watching gangsters murder people but an idiot racist guy is too much? It’s absolutely ridiculous. I hope the people that complained also watched Red Rocket 😂

@@hectorleyva6994 what you just said, this is when stans of a filmmaker try to read too much into what's actually going on to make the filmmaker look smart or good.

My biggest issue with it is that it doesn't have enough material for a feature film. As a short film, it would have been superior.

I also thought it was ridiculous and also pretty ham-fisted. Once the one character started chucking fingers at the door, I couldn't take it seriously. I also think Three Billboards is incredibly overrated, so I apparently must not be much of a Martin McDonagh fan

@@fmellish71 I liked 3 Billboards didn't love but solid 4 stars from me same with In Bruges Banshee's just didn't click with me at all

@@moviesteels7422 McDonagh's movies have great performances, but I find them thematically ham-fisted and sensationalist in spite of knowing that they're supposed to have dark comedy.

But that's the effect that the Banshees of Inisherin has on him. There is a point when he can't deal with it anymore in silence and you witness his need to fight it back. You need to review it I guess. Amazing movie with a crazy good atmosphere boosted by that hidden parallel element which is the war across the border.

Totally agree with You. is really Bad to have a love affair with a someone younger than one?

Except for Guardians of the Galaxy

Fellow Moviewise fan ✌️. This channel and that are my go to movie channels.

Yep 'My Best Friends Wedding' is one of my favorite romantic comedies.

It was 100 times better than I was expecting. Spooky & creepy! 😮

It just went too much into this weird, almost shock-like, humour for too much of the film. I'm also just not a fan of this kind of faux-Buddhist sci-fi concept, it doesn't feel very human to me

EEAAO is overrated affffff

I agree all the way, it's so forgettable and nothing that I will ever rewatch.

I *loved* EEAAO on my first watch and I thought it was a once in a generation film and one of my all time movies, but on rewatch it didn’t hold up very well at all. Everything it’s saying is right there in the open and there are no nuances to pick up on a second watch. Honestly, when talking about modern day movies that will be remembered as classics, I think EEAAO will be politely remembered among other best picture winners like CODA and Shape of Water

I vibe with it, maybe because I am also Asian so it resonates more with me.

Marvel is a symbol of everything wrong with the film industry.

I'm confused, is there a biased perception against Queen going on here or is it being said that as fans of Queen we should have a biased perception against the film?? Because as a die-hard queen fan I'm going to say that Queen is one of the greatest musical groups to ever exist and the attempt of telling their story, even though it was Freddie Mercury's tale acting as the centralized focus, in a cinematic fashion should have been far sensationally better then what was portrayed in Bohemian Rhapsody. Admittedly it does have its moments. I mean the most impressive was recreating live aid and the toe tapping musical sequences and for the efforts that were put forth into transcending into the role of Freddie Mercury I will say I do believe Rami Malek turned in a solid performance within the range of this capability and what he was given to work with. Overall though it is a very paint by numbers, sanitized, mediocre family-friendly encapsulation of the man and Queen's story.

@@alexanderkilcullen4247Yeah, it’s not entirely clear on what the notion here is. However, I do believe she meant it in the sense that Queen fans are the reason why this movie is embarrassing. Not the general existence of Queen fans, mind you, but the Queen fans who praise this film like the bible and are blind to how blatantly mid this movie is. So no, you being a Queen fan who is not a fan of this movie does not make it embarrassing. I hope that answers your confusion 🙏

@@RangoTangento aaahh okay yes now I see thank you for that input and yeah I'm in agreement with that fair enough lol

She means, and I agree, that because we’re fans and know about them, we were embarrassed by how glossed over everything was. And just flat out false!

​@@adamp2029...and way too many anachronistic moments.

Absolutely

The problem I had with LP is that I could virtually smell Cooper Hoffman's sweat. I HATED both leads with a passion. I was close to walking out on that one and I wish I would have.

I like "The Swimmer" & most Burt Lancaster movies, tho I saw "The Leopard" recently & didn't understand why I was supposed to care about his character.

Never saw that one...im not a huge Lancaster fan but the Swimmer was awesome.​@@johnpjones182

Would love to know Maggie’s opinion about Alan Parker’s “Shoot the Moon” or movies by Kenneth Lonnegan… also more films by Antonioni or Resnais films…

@@JordyC-rc9ij I like Antonioni's 3 English language films (Blowup, Zabriskie Point & The Passenger), but didn't get much out of L'Avventura or "L'Eclisse".

​@@JordyC-rc9ijIt's funny you would mention Shoot the Moon. I saw it in a theater when I was about 15 and then cried for an hour. Haven't seen it since, but I wonder if it holds up.

The movie is one of my faves so I'll definitely be watching the show eventually... Just finishing up some other shows and stuff before i run it

The 2nd one is an improvement over the first. A lot less of the whispery, mumbled dialogue.

I just don't get the love for part 2. Boring, long, preachy, Chani's arc which wasn't in the book, nothing began and nothing ended. Yet it's the best sequel since Empire Strikes Back and made two billion. go figure. Maybe part 3 will be better.

The Lynch version of Dune, while highly flawed, has scenes and moments that have never left my mind. The whole opening scene is brilliant. The visuals are immersive and striking, and I've found Lynch's film to be eminently rewatchable. The biggest problem, is there was no way to successfully put this story into one two-hour movie. The new Dune movies did get that much right, splitting it into two separate films. Otherwise I agree with your sentiment that Villeneuve's version is largely dull, especially in the visual department; his tendency towards flat, lifeless expanses does nothing for me.

The new films simply miss and screw up everything interesting about the books. Utterly dull and intellectually hollow. They had an opportunity to create a masterpiece by focusing the narrative and presenting the themes in a less clunky way than the books do. Nope, they kept all the worst elements and traded out the best ones for cheaper, dumbed down, alternatives. Why do people think Villeneuve is some kind of auteur?

Couldn't agree more, I felt natural born killers was awful

I'm gonna go even further and say that the books are not particularly good either. No element of LOTR is original or artistically interesting. It's just Jason and the Argonauts or King Arthur repackaged. Even the characters are generic archetypes at best.

I agree I've tried so hard to love them lol I liked fellowship of the ring but I had to force myself to finish the next 2

Shawshank Redemption for me. Don't hate it, but it's definitely the most overrated movie today. Number 1 in IMDb greatest movies of all time LOL

All those things were integral to the film's form. I didn't like it much either, but I would have liked it to be even more formally rigorous.

Sorry, but you completly missed the point of the movie!!!

Yeah and people will say "yeah but thats THE POINT!!!" as if that somehow invalidates my criticism of the film. Well maybe it's a shit point to make and it doesn't work when you have films like Schindler's List which does a much better job of delivering the same message in a completely different way. "We're going to bore you to sleep to show how the modern individual is completely indifferent to the deaths, violence and suffering of thousands of innocent people in modern times. Essentially you are asleep to all the fucked up problems in the world" ... yeah I get it but take away the message and you're left with an absence of a film. The euro arthouse style of detachment, long takes and mundanity just didn't work for me here.

@@SmallvillenerdTwo If you like sappy Hollywood films like Schindler's List, the discussion is over.

@@sandorx4 You're right. If a film is entertaining in any way then it is not a true artistic statement and therefore that invalidates my entire opinion. So true.

Both are great! Sunset Blvd. is better, but All About Eve makes more sense as a Best Picture winner. The Academy isn't going to award a dark movie that jabs at its industry.

I think people overhyped it a little. But if you take away all the hype it's an okay film I love Sandra Huller in the film. But me personally I feel like the film past lives should have won best original screenplay over anatomy of the Fall

Good movie but definitely overrated imo

I mean, it's like the only critically acclaimed movie in the last two years I felt was well made lmao, so I'll take it over literally any other movie in maggie's top 10s.

Yes! A hidden Life was stunning and the ending ripped my insides out. A masterpiece.

I dont think its quite a hot take. People liked it but not everything about it😅

I think saltburn stands toe on its visual aesthetic and the performances but everything is flat, emerald has a great taste at making controversial themes entertaining but on a surface level and lacks any depth or full fledge entertainment.

Oh God you're on point haha that one is so bad 😂

Shawshank Redemption

@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 The Schindler's List lmfao so horrible

@@aldriel8274 Well, Schindler's List is a propaganda movie, but is a great propaganda movie.

Forest Gump is so overrated

I mean, that movie is great if only for the opening scene… and basically every scene Christoph Waltz is in.

Tarantino decided to shoot two different films and merged them into one. The start of the film makes you believe it's about Shoshanna and Landa hunting her and other jews down and later in the film develops into a prolonged story of the German sniper desiring her and her constant rejections. Then it switches to the Bastards who might as well be in their own movie for tone-wise it's completely different. This is such a huge contrast to the tone of Shoshanna's story it ruins the whole movie. Note that that the story of Shoshanna never intersects with the Bastards on a personal level as they never meet each other. As it turns out Shoshanna's revenge plan coincides with the separate plan of the Bastards but they never meet or coordinate their efforts. In fact they're completely oblivious to each other's plans. That would work if they somehow made one part save the other. Nope. Then we have Hans Landa. Brilliantly introduced as a ruthlessly effecient nazi. He later meets Shoshanna at the café and most viewers are of the opinion he *knows* who she is but never once ponder why an ardent nazi hellbent on catching all hiding Jews would let her go out of the blue or not track her down to see what she's up to. This part of Landa possibly coming for Shoshanna is left completely unresolved. For all intents and purposes Landa never does anything with Shoshanna again. At the start of the movie one expects the two of them to have one final encounter in which Shoshanna gets her revenge on *him* . Nope, he actually walks away scot-free, not that it matters because Shoshanna has no idea what happened to Landa. The final insult is when Landa, the ardent nazi, suddenly decides he wants to turn his back on all his nazi buddies and cut a deal with a half-crazy Texan who is leading a rowdy group of brutes known to take no prisoners. Neither Brad Pitt's character nor Eli Roth's seem too disturbed or saddened by their own long-time war buddies perishing in their attack either but it's casual business as usual to them. And to cap things off Landa gets a swastika carved into his forehead for it's all a fun game for Roth. Funny? Justice? I won't go much into the part of the bastards being as rotten as the nazis are when bludgeoning unarmed prisoners to death. Eli Roth's revenge fantasy perhaps? His touch is all over the movie and Tarantino should never have allowed him to be a part of neither the cast nor the story. Btw, there is yet another party wanting to sabotage the screening of the nazi film in Paris. The British guys. Also almost completely oblivious to the Bastards and to my knowledge they all get wiped out and the Bastards just pick up the shreds and their plan. Whose brilliant idea was it to bring the most infamous killer of nazi officers (whatever his name was) to an open meeting where everybody is going to recognize him? And always remember kids. Adolf Hitler didn't die as a crazed madman in the underground bunker in Berlin raving about fantasy armies and completely ignoring reality, he randomly decides to attend a small movie theater in Paris and gets shots to pieces by the Bastards. Not that it matters for he would otherwise burn in the fire Shoshanna planned. If Tarantino wanted to have Shoshanna or the Bastards kill a large group of nazi officers fine. But don't make it Hitler and everybody else in the upper echelon of nazis. Don't p*ss on history and rewrite it in a wholly bizarre manner. Make it no-name nazi officers and it works. The B-movie WWII exploatation genre tribute could have worked if Tarantino just stuck with the Bastards. It could have been a fun, carefree ride with realism thrown out the window. To my knowledge that's what the original film was all about (it only shares the name and nothing else). The bizarre, anachronistic setting of a 1983 David Bowie song set to a scene taking place 40 years prior. Beyond belief. A friend of mine actually said that she only watched the beginning of the film and turned it off after Landa had the place shot up and Shoshanna fleeing. Scared her too much to watch further. I told her:"Don't worry. That is the ONLY good part of the film. It immediately shifts both in tone and can't decide what it wants to be or who it's about. I'll tell you Shoshanna could have been left out of the rest of the movie and it wouldn't have made any difference to how the story progresses and its ultimate conclusion." Waltz acting was amazing. But he can't save the film. He can't even save his poorly written character. Tarantino's worst film. And that includes Death Proof. How it was so well received back in 2009 perplexes me but I'd say too many people are swayed by the performance of the actors and the colorful dialogue to see how schizophrenic the whole film is.

I hate it and I hate nearly all of his movies.

Had the same feeling for The Lobster that I did for Dogtooth: very interesting idea, but poorly executed. Lobster was cruel, ugly, inconsistent, shallow and had unusual touches (slow motion photography, etc.) that added nothing substantial. Lanthimos’ next two films were much, much better for me. Haven’t seen Poor Things yet, hoping it’s on their level and not The Lobster’s (or The Triangle of Sadness, another disappointment.)

@@GizmoBeach Triangle of Sadness is Ruben Östlund

It definitely became less interesting when the story left the hotel.

@@GizmoBeach I haven’t seen Dogtooth yet, but I wonder if the same style works better in the Greek language than the English language. I didn’t think The Lobster was badly executed at all, but I do think the plot was ridiculous and badly executed. I did like Poor Things, so I hope you enjoy it! 👍

Lanthimos films are bad, period. Just "artsiness" without the artistry.

You are certainly not wrong, His style of filmmaking has been overused to where it's not anything new anymore. However I have a soft spot for Grand Budapest Hotel.

@@Shah-of-the-Shinebox I have a soft spot for his stop motion animation films like Mr Fox and Isle of Dogs simply because there is so much work, creativity and patience required for making stop motion animation. I think his films are a lot like cotton candy: bright pastel colors and are very rapidly digested, however they have virtually no substance -- i.e. they don't invite much reflection or introspection. This frustrates me because I know he has so much talent and could use his medium for so much more than delivering light, quirky humor.

Rushmore is his greatest movie. It's so raw and fearless and absolutely and hilariously true when it comes to the psychology of men and boys, girls and women. As the former are so confused and swaggeringly and emotionally brittle and infantile; while the latter know exactly where they stand emotionally and act accordingly. I bet it's Wes Anderson's most personal film. It has to be, as it's the most salient and least watered down by "style." And I used quotations there because I don't actually believe that style exists in art: there's only true simple-hearted lovers of art; and bloated selfish pretenders, whose contrived liable intelligence vainly (pun intended) attempts to turn method into meaning.

I loved his first film "Bottle Rocket", but I've been disappointed with everything he's done since.

@@kh884488 I love the stop motion stuff too. I think it suits his style.

god damn the whole card was cinema, from early prelims to poatan

bruh Max holloway>>>>>>Stanley Kubrick , Ingmar bergman and Akira Kurosawa. Also Alex periera 🗿 moggs Andrei Tarkovsky

Compared to Oppenheimer it's not bad

In my opinion all of Christopher Nolan's films are very overrated. He is not one of the greats like people make him out to be. His films are almost always very pretentious, and I'm not at all a fan of the dialogue in his films or the performances he gets out of his cast (for the most part). I also can't stand the editing in his films.

Oh please plenty of people knew about Heath Ledger after 10 Things, Brokeback, and I’m Not There among many other things

I actually love Shawshank, but I think it's far from one of the greatest films of all time. I've always felt it had an ill-fitting early '90s kind of light ganache sheen to it. An edgier filmmaking style would have served the story better, imo.

You should read the novella.

Yeah how long has it been #1 on imdb? I mean, I guess I can see how it hits a general demographic by being both powerful and mainstream, but its purely riding on story and performances. Its not a very special movie otherwise.

Shawshank had some great character arcs and a great villain. It did rely a bit too much on cliches, though.

It's a fairly standard tearjerker with Morgan Freeman. It's the kind of movie everybody's mom likes, and what the Hollywood machine would love to make on a production line if it could.

Only imbeciles like that movie

I've got to agree about this one. I don't see the appeal.

YES!!! Horrible film

It's meant to be. IT's still good in December. I don't think anyone would want to watch it any other time of year.

@@scottjustin9800 If you think it's good in December, then you still can't grok how haters of this movie feel about it. Don't get me wrong -- if you like it one month out of the year, then enjoy! For me, It's got a certain type of humor that rubs me like a cheese grater.

"I really don't know what "everyone loves" stamps out cigarette. "Because I don't care"...slicks back his hair.."Some Hollywood A-lister I've never heard of? Whatever ,it's fine.Let them have that" Speeds off on motorcycle. The "straights" stood open-mourhed.In fact, the whole town was aghast☠️

​@@HaHaHaa769 The original draft for your reply was, "He said as he stamped out his cigarette, combed back his slick black hair and revved his motorcycle.....Wow you're such a rebel!!!" Thank you for taking the time to remove and rewrite it. Much improved. lol

​@@HaHaHaa769 Who would ever expect anything less from the leader of the Smokin' Gun Gang, tough guy and anti-hero Chud "The Hood" Nelson?

Agreed, perfect way to describe it and Lawerence had no business winning an Oscar.

It’s very trendy to hate on O Russel today. I don’t get it. SLP doesn’t pretend like it’s an important movie. It’s just a romantic comedy (itself a dying breed) with a tone that effectively balances some darker themes and elements of drama. That’s not easy to pull off. Bradley Cooper and De Niro were also pretty funny in their roles. Idk, it’s quality escapism in my opinion. I don’t think gritty realism was really what the movie was going for anyway

I only saw it once, but I remember liking the first half, especially its portrayal of mental illness. The second half felt forced and the end just seemed like Cooper and Lawrence riding off together with empty bottles of Xanax and Effexor taped to the back.

You people are boring and dead inside lmao. How was the second half of the movie “forced”? The second half actually gets into the conceit of the movie which makes perfect sense in context for the characters. 🫵 Sorry not sorry that you are miserable and dead inside. 💅

What year were you born?