That’s would be dope

Great point.

It doesn’t need anywhere near 32gb. But unfortunately Akai seems to be going the Apple route in terms of user upgrades for now.

Exactly. Memory is needed as you can see. 32 would be perfect.

Can u upgrade the memory on the X SE?

Yeah man you will be just fine with sampling

Might want to test it with Keygroups

@@alchemistrpm82 I might do it

You can buy mines if you like it’s still new looking and I will give you a deal as well

@@thomasbiggs5131 still got it for sale?

It’s all about what work your you with budget space and need.

@@THEKINGOCAESARit’s not even about the budget or need. even if you’re rich you know paying 3k for 7 years old tech still is cringe

@@IanArizpeArroyo depends on if it’s worth it or not for you. Some people could take this gear and turn that 2k into 15k.

@@THEKINGOCAESAR that’s fair. Unfortunately for now i’m not one of those people. and I’m a compsci nerd so old computers just gives ME the ick personally xD. great points and great video !! thinking of going with the live 2 or one since they’re the most bang for ur buck.

Made perfect sense to me. I bought one open box for $1680 no tax, Haa😄 Everything sealed in plastic, plastic still on screen and panels but was missing the IEC cable. I have like 5 in my wire stash.

Thanks man and I hope you enjoying that thing because it’s def a beast still.

Wow how am I just now seeing this comment. Thank you for your support.

Funny man it’s getting great engagement but I was so tired when I made this video I didn’t think it was one of my best so thanks. Just trying to give good info.

Yeah bro the upgrade was needed.

No problem

Word it is beautiful I must say

Yeah that’s what I do but people don’t have to do that with other daws so when it comes to mpc some people lazy with it. But that is def a solution.

exactly

How was it for you did it help? Or do you have more questions?

@@THEKINGOCAESAR yeah helpful. I ended up grabbing a used OG MPC X a couple weeks back and this makes me feel a better about my decision. I did run into the Low Memory message like you showed when trying to have 8 plugin instruments up but I just transferred over to Control Mode and everything was great there. It is pretty easy to fill up the Memory on the X when using a bunch of plugins in standalone mode.

I know it’s all about what you want what your budget is and what kinda space you got

I bet you are bro you stay ready lol

@@THEKINGOCAESAR and you know this maaan 😂 just got Komplete Collectors Edition been downloading and installing for days 🤦🏻‍♂️ looking forward to some next level

Your welcome

Oh it’s been mad hate out here?

That’s dope I kinda fill the same way we will see how this logic looking tho.

No problem glad it helped

It’s soldered to the board. There are people who have changed the ram I think but they have experience with soldering boards.

@@THEKINGOCAESAR thats good to know!

Yeah it is a lot I think that people really trying to use plug-in are going to be using controller mode always

@@THEKINGOCAESAR I agree and on the flip side sample based producers have the world in their hands because 4GB is probably more than they will ever need.

@@GhettoStyles def true

Yes sir it really is amazing

Thanks bro

Yes it does but there are things you can do the help with that.

yes sir if that all you can do then the regular x is enough

I think so as well

@@THEKINGOCAESAR Many Thanks 👌

That’s dope to hear

Yeah in that case you just keep what you have to the come out with the next design

Oh yeah them boys is chunky lol

Thanks bro I appreciate it.

Yeah think I heard a linear arranger might be in 3.0 but we will see. And thanks for the kind words

I said it on release day, that it would've made more sense for the special edition to have at least 8 gigs, and to have a more performant processor, for it to make any real sense (to me, at least). But the paint job is appreciated, still. That being said, I still prefer the classic color. scheme on the Live II Retro over the X SE. But that's more a preference thing.

I believe that like the smartphones these are all System on a Chip (SOC) meaning you can't just add more RAM the way you can for a desktop/laptop w traditional (non-soldiered in ) RAM . They'd have to design a new chip version and its expensive. But I still think they should allow you to swap that out / upgrade that card instead of selling you a whole new one

Tap in I have mint condition one that’s in the box 📦 and a wrap on the outside .

I use the MPC X and it's fully loaded with FABRIC XL. To be honest I only use Stage Piano as I produce trance and house so I use mainly my Dreadbox Typhon and Virus TI2 with the X. I can't justify the extra £1200 that it would cost me to upgrade to the SE unless I reallly wanted to use the synths in Fabric XL. If you can pick up a cheap X as it's worth it for the extra Q links and inputs/Midi ports for Hardware

@@FrankieWildeDJ I wound up using novation circuit tracks because I don't like looking at screens at all. But then I wind up sampling a lot on my phone with koala sampler. I used to own old school mpc's and I miss the smaller screen from the mpc 500.

It crazy how fast they are in controller mode fight lol

Thanks

That’s the best of both worlds really and your right

On Force? No, not as far as loading plugins is concerned. But it does allow you to record up to 8 stereo audio tracks for as long as you want.

I think this is 💯

Don’t worry ima do a video about work around

I will check out his video and then test it if I can. As far as subscriptions I’m not down for that I believe that if I pay for anything I should have ownership over it. But akai will do what they think is best for the company. I see apple turning to this and I dislike it a lot. Thanks for all the kind words. As far as anything else we going to stay positive and move forward with peace and love.

Could you do me a favor and reply with the exact title of the video you are talking about on his channel. I can’t seem to find it.

My live did to ain’t that crazy

Ok thanks for letting me know. I just know they are not as fast as the ssd that come in computers now of days

If you plan on using on the pc mostly then the regular X would be fine cause you would be using what ever your pc specs are but if you are going to use it in standalone getting the se is what I would recommend.

in most cases yes and if your doing it professionally yes. You could get away with doing it in the machine if you know what your doing.

True but do you think it should have the industry standard which is 16 gigs maybe 8 gigs. Me myself I can make it do what it do. Plus there are great key groups that sound like instruments you can used to help out. What do you think?

Tbh. This debate on speed and what was added to the new units are a waste of time because 1. If things start getting cpu heavy you can just connect it to your computer as a slave which is what’s gonna happen anyway when it’s time to mix 2. If your an og mpc user you had to make these machines work with waaaaaaay less cpu and ram. Just be creative when your machine has limitations. I have a mpc x and I use it in standalone ONLY! And I never cpu or memory spike. I sample and connect outboard gear. Problem is when they keep adding vst now they’re trying to compete with a computer and tbh with those specs they’ll never compet. And that’s the problem with this debate. These Mpc are good. They don’t need more specs they need upgrades with sound quality imo. Keep up the good content Caesar. 🙏🏿

@@jltbk5420 thanks bro and great input too I think we are spoiled and think we need more than what we have but the truth is fire gets produced with these machines everyday. Plus like you said if you hook it to the computer you unlock it in a way. I do hear the debate about sound to I’d just say until they make it sound the way people want it to sound out the box. Learn how to make it sound that way by learning technique’s people should know anyway and I honestly don’t think they sound that bad. In my honest opinion. But hey thanks for the convo bro. I like respectful intelligent conversations.

@@THEKINGOCAESAR 100% true. I honestly feel like people expect these machines to make a hit for them. The sauce is behind the machine controlling it. And you’re right they don’t sound bad and that’s another conversation/video of its own. But from a content creator’s standpoint I get the reason for the video. To help people make a decision on either machine. IMO I’d skip the bells and whistles, if you’re in the market for an mpc x. Cash in on the opportunity to get the older model at a really good bargain because 9/10 all everyone is gonna do is hook it up to a computer in post anyway. I do everything Stan alone then mix in the box. But again keep doing your thing I enjoy seeing content creators/ producers/ beat makers giving honest feedback

does not really load more plugins but it can handle 8 of the new plugins no problem.

There are a lot of channels that have done this comparison I believe. I still think that the quality is good on the mpcs maybe it’s not top notch compared to the older ones I don’t know. I never owned a legacy mpc but what I can tell you is that if you hook it up to a class compliment interface a good one problem solved. I understand the whole converter argument but i also know that I can make the mpc sound the way I want it to sound

@@THEKINGOCAESAR The only proper class compliant 8 channel converter that is working with no pops and clicks is the SSL Big Six, just got that this week, non stop testing and working good, most other ones that mpc forums have on that list are 2 channel, which aint gone cut it, the RME UCX 2 does not work either, lot of pops and clicks, this might help people who want really 8 channels. X is $2500, they got to fix the converter, they know that, what would be the point of class compliant if they did not know they got issues. Look at Rossum and what he had done with SP 1200 and he is not selling like akai is , so it can be done. I make the MPC sound the way I want it by sampling on the Emu and dragging the samples into X and just never use the ins or outs, its is just a glorified sequencer, love the work flow and that is it. We need to raise the bar here, yes we can make the new MPC sound better in a proper studio, we know how much that stuff costs. Those Xpansion packs would sound 10 times better with proper converters

@@dubmaverick69 but the question is how are you going to get an akai to do that when majority of people who own an X are happy with it. Maybe it could sound better but you got to admit that the workflow is ten times better then the old ones. And as far as the sound are we saying the sound is 100% better on the old ones or are we talking like 10% or maybe 15% better. It’s not a huge difference to me but even professionals are saying this so it really a point of view thing. People who I’ve talk to who were using these things back in the day said they were running these thing through out board gear or console anyway so isn’t that the same way people are telling us to do it now. Use the out cause the problem isn’t with the outs it’s the inputs when sampling. The new mpc have a super clean a to d conversion on them they use high end converters the burr brown like you said with the same component also used in universal audio inputs so what ever you sample in is exactly what your going to get with the new ones. All in all I understand peoples concerns but the only way to make akai listen it to submit your claim to them or by not buying the products at all. But that would mean that you think the mpc is trash and hardly no one agrees with that even the people who are mad about the converters because what the mpc may lack it makes up in yes workflow and all the people I’ve talked to said they would take the work flow over having it sound 10 % inferior to the old ones. This is why the rossom might sound good but no one wants it because first it’s $4000 and the workflow is horrible compared to anything on the market right now. I appreciate you being respectful and having a conversation about this like an adult bro. I just don’t agree with everything being said about the converters. People who complain about the sound of the mpc X still religiously use the X and the other mpcs to this date. If it was such a problem they would be using there 3000s and their X would be on the shelf but I see them with the 3000 on the self and the X front and center. Pretty much all them. If we want workflow and all the sound we probably can have it but it’s going to cost. Me my self wouldn’t mind if they made a high end mpc the way the professionals want it. I know that I wouldn’t be able to afford it just like many couldn’t afford the 3000 when it came out. But just like the debate of plugins vs outboard gear. You buy what you can afford and what can get the job done. Then if you make money from it you can upgrade to the outboard gear when it is within your means. Even tho the mpc X se is 2500 I still think that is cheap compare to what a 3000 would cost with inflation. For what it can do right the ssl big six 6 Chanel mixer is the same price as an mpc live 2. Anymore channels than that then we are coming close to mpc X prices and it’s just a console to rought sound in and out of it that’s it. Not a lot of bells and whistle but what it does well it excels at. I feel this way about the mpc’s what they have always been known for is hard hitting drums, sampling, sequencing, and being a control center in the studio. We still have all those things except for one in the eyes of what I would say is a minority of people so it’s subjective. But music is subjective. So your not wrong but the people who are happy with them are not wrong either.

You might be right we will have to wait and see

Yeah if you do that it really doesn’t matter which one you use.

they did upgrade it a little bit but I do kind of agree with you. I think that this is a place holder until we get what ever they will release with 3.0

One of the best comments so far...

I agree its not perfect but they do what they need to do. the ports on the front are for you guitars and instruments such as synths or outboard instruments. the headphone jack is a lagit observation. Im also sorry that your button broke on you that is also a lagit gripe.

The retro is the shit

Depends on how you look at it. If you own an X I would say no, but if you don’t mightiest we’ll get the best one of you can. Or you can say forget getting the new one lets save some money get the old one and use the money I would of spent to get a synth, or outboard gear etc. it’s depends on you and what you want and need. I don’t own an X so I would get the new one because if I could afford to get it then That means I can splurge a little bit and it would be my trophy. The mpc one is a great mpc and the live 2 is the best one still to me in the lineup and they both cost a fraction of what the X cost but can get you the same results so yeah. It just depends on the person.

@@THEKINGOCAESAR thank you!

It has different converters from what I heard the og X has an arm chip converting sound but the mpc X se has burr brown converter I think. I’m not 100% positive.

@@THEKINGOCAESAR can you hear difference?

@@quickstrike209 to be honest I wasn’t really paying attention I’ll have to pull them up again

if it had 16 gigs it would be alot more than 8

Think they are the same

that really should not matter tho because the os for the mpc is on the internal drive. so boot up should not be affected that much because of harddrive. only when searching should it slow down.

@@THEKINGOCAESARI see what you're saying but the Boot up process includes loading sample packs or whatever from whatever libraries you have on that drive. Saying if it's not on the internal drive it'll probably run a little bit slower because the internal drive connections, if you install it internally, the connections allow for a faster transfer rate versus the external USB connection it's a little bit slower. Basically it's a different type of connection internally.

@@THEKINGOCAESARAnyway, you got both and then which one you like better? I got the original black one I kind of like this one to be honest with you

Yeah I think is much slower if you take any top rated ssd drive and put it in a computer or anything the load times are significantly faster. We see this in thing like the new ps5. Also when you take a old laptop in because it’s slow one of the first things they do to make it faster is put the os on a fast ssd drive. I did this with an old Mac book and it’s night and day how fast it boots now. The speed is not even close. So although they have flash storage I can confidently say that it’s not fast flash storage.

@@THEKINGOCAESAR The only reason it's faster is because of the SATA protocol which is faster than usb, and the NVMe protocol which is also faster than USB. neither MPC uses the NVMe protocol, there's only a SATA port in these devices. However, the operating system is installed onto the internal drive and once you open the unit it's very easy to access. Just don't format it, it's encrypted.

even tho you have limitations there are ways to get around them it just takes a little more work thats it. but yeah you can still make it a power house if you want to.

You are correct there is really no difference when it comes to boot up. I tested it way more times than what was on video too.

I saw the same thing. The SE won by a split second. I thought he misspoke.

The best at the end was mixed on the mpc se you can’t really hear the full beat but that has all that on it and it did fine.

Def that X isn’t mine so I can’t install one in it

Damn that's crazy, very disappointed to hear. I'm usually doing much less on the live then sending files to Logic to spice up and finish

Yeah I usually just get my ideals done quickly then use a daw to make the song but if I could I would like to use the mpc beginning to end.

Yeah a lot of people are saying that.

Ram was cheap when the X came out, they are just bird feeding us. 16gb of ram is less than $20 bucks, but of course they wouldn’t allow us to put our own ram in like the original MPCs, because they want to charge us $800 more for 2gb🤦🏾‍♂️

yeah you right about that because i have a 1 tb in my mpc live 2 and it loads faster than the mpc x and se

@@THEKINGOCAESAR Yup! SATA transfer speeds are 4x USB or CF. ALSO, another PRO-TIP: The MPC-X / Live runs an embedded LINUX system, so it will recognize EXT3 format drives, and they have WAY better indexing than a FAT or FAT32 formatted drive. For best performance use Linux to format your drives and move files.

Yeah I know that’s why I ran it with and without the drives. Thanks for showing love man.

You got to on resell websites now to get them they not selling them. Brand new in stores anymore

naw sadly i wish it did but I can see you being sarcastic too so you already know it dont lol

Yeah I could have done that but the video was already long lol I would have had y’all here all day bro lol.

Thank you

Yeah they both took a while but that was real time.

The mpcs are dope. They are the best of both worlds to me powerful enough to make music standalone but when you need to unlock it then hook it up to a computer and let it fly as a controller.

I hope you get it and enjoy it

@THEKINGOCAESAR Appreciate the love. I've been producing on FL Studio for over 15 years, and before that, many drum machines and workstation keyboards. Now, I will finally have my own MPC, and I hope that it propels me even further in production.

That’s what it is well it should be much fast then.

I don’t think I got scammed I don’t own either one lol. They are loaners from zzounds. But what I would say is that if I had the money I would buy and X because even though I use my mpc live 2 stand alone if I had this in my studio either one I would use them mostly in controller mode and that really unlocks the possibility of what these things can do.

Haaaaa 😅

not the og mpc x

@@THEKINGOCAESAR oh just the SE o.k not that it matters 2gb is a ton. Im rocking a asr10 with 4mb 🤣 Will get it expanded to 16 eventually 😃

I will have to do that sometimes it be hard tho cause I do it all by my self.

They are both loaners I own neither of them zzounds sent them to me to test. I own a mpc live 2

@@THEKINGOCAESAR ok bro thanks again for the comparison. When you think about it the X supposed to be a studio centre piece so there's no reason not to hook it up to a computer in controller mode for beats that have multiple plugins. The more I think about it the X SE isn't needed unless people want the free plugins, the extra Ram is more of a necessity for a device like the live as it's more likely to be used on the road. Just my opinion anyway. Keep the content coming bro👊🏾

Im not sure what you mean bro

No it doesn’t impact speed but it impacts the amount of instruments you can use in stand alone

they are they just giving us a variety of this gen before the next gen is out I bet.

Probably I was really tired when I shot this video

@@THEKINGOCAESAR Definitely wasn’t a criticism. I thoroughly enjoyed the video. And you clarified some things for me. I’ll just stick with my MPC X Gold and try to mod it myself, by soldering a 16 gig and see if I can update the snapdragon cpu.

@@ONEHENDRIX if you manage to pull that off you should def document it.

bro you don't need a computer cpu for a drum machine............................................. you're playing samples most not editing 4k video, really people have some strange ideas

I don’t think they need to go to crazy to get these things were they would be the ultimate standalone unit. They are already the best controller and standalone units pretty much out. You can do some crazy stuff with them. But to make then super future proof they don’t need to go crazy.

@@X-101 it already has a quad-core CPU. Might as well increase it's ability.

You probably right we will just have to wait and see.

You tested it next to the one I got and you won. That’s dope. My video got you testing stuff now that’s what they are supposed to do. Good stuff.

@@tinychamberz I think new things are coming down the pipe line just not ready yet

Do you have a question sir

With all due respect man childish is coming here talking about sound when the title of my video said nothing about sound. I am making videos that people want to see and have questions about if you don’t believe me check the rest of the comments bro. There is no need to come here and be negative that is childish. There are mad people talking about the sound of these things you should watch their channels. And when I do make a video talking about sound then you can comment on that video if sound matters that much to you my friend. I have no problems making these machines do what I want and sound the way I want to wether it is using plugins or outboard gear so the whole debate is stupid to me. Even your favorite sound guys,producers, KZfaqrs,who are now talking about how trash the new mpcs are currently are using one in their set up some way shape form or fashion so in that regard akai isn’t doing to bad because if they were people would not buy them. And it’s crazy to me how many people just follow blindly with out looking at what’s really real. Everyone owns one why because they just work period so it is what it is. I usually don’t get like this but to many of my friends and people I respect are being attacked for something that is a given. We all want the best sound but there are more ways to get to that than just one machine and if you don’t like the machine. DONT BUY IT flat out bro. Have a good day.

Also the sound isn’t flatter the converters are just really clean meaning that they give you and accurate render of what you record in them. I dare you to take any drums you think slap or a dope ass sample and sample it into the mpc I bet you it sound exactly like the original. What that does is allow you to color the sound the way you want, create the flavors you want. Try it and then report back.

@@THEKINGOCAESAR Don't be mad at me, bro. I am sincerely looking for answers. I don't trust the channels of these people who have eyes like tea saucers from the idea of an Akai conspiracy. But they embarrass inexperienced people who have been saving their money for a long time, and now stand like a horse at the precipice, not knowing what to do... Please make a video about the sound as well, to compare and dispel false rumors. Maybe borrow some cool monitors, or test two devices in a specially prepared room, inviting a reputable sound engineer? Thanks for the reply. You have a strong spirit!)

@@Staveriy my room is set up as best as I can get it right now. I will always do my best and try to bring accurate information. But I think as consumers of products you should not let one opinion sway you into buying anything. I personally watch so many videos on something before I buy it I almost know how to use it when I take it out the box because I do my do diligence. And I don’t just watch the good videos I also watch the bad so that I can come to a logical conclusion of whether I want to buy something or not. This is why content creator are Important even the little guys because they bring a new perspective. Ever piece of a puzzle every paint stroke on a painting helps create the big picture. Honestly all this debate is stupid because like I said before. Anybody who does music wants the best sound but you have to know how to get that. People could watch a thousand videos but still have shitty sound. People have to find something that works for then and then practice and make music to figure it out. I fill like we teach people how to shoot a proper jump shot but if you don’t practice you still will suck a shooting. No mater what tho no matter how I teach you you are going to put your spin on it. Thanks your last response was much better and I enjoy constructive conversation. Respect

Hopefully lol