Why Five Stroke Engines Are More Efficient But Still a Failure

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As you probably know internal combustion engines are not very efficient. On average modern gasoline engines in passenger cars manage around 35% whereas diesel versions can do a bit above 40% but need complicated and expensive emissions control equipment to be as clean as their gasoline counterparts.
An efficiency of 35% means that of the energy present in the fuel only 35% gets converted into useful work. The rest is lost. Some of it is lost to internal friction but most of it actually escapes as heat and noise out through the exhaust.
So why is so much energy lost? Why can’t we efficiently harness more of it?
The problem we have here is that all four strokes of a four stroke engine are of equal length and duration and of those four strokes it is only the combustion stroke that produces significant energy. The remaining three strokes mostly just consume energy. This means that an engine would be more efficient if it was given more time to actually harness the energy.
One of the ways to increase engine efficiency is to increase the compression ratio of an engine. A compression ratio is simply the ratio between the smallest and largest cylinder volume. But the positive effects of increasing the compression ratio are limited because we are limited in the amount of how much we can increase it. At some point space for combustion becomes so small that combustion occurs so close to the piston that too much energy is transferred too quickly which makes it hard for even the most robust engines to handle these shocks.
So we are limited in what we can do with the compression ratio. That means that we must look for other ways to increase efficiency the ideal thing to do would be to make the strokes unequal. What we actually want to do is have the combustion aka the expansion stroke somehow be longer than the other strokes.
Of course, the conventional rotating assembly does not permit different lengths for different strokes which is why James Atkinson decided to forego the traditional engine anatomy and created a new different engine anatomy that enabled the engine to have a noticeably longer combustion or expansion stroke. Even the inventor of the of the four stroke engine himself Nikolaus Otto saw the limits of his design and wanted to increase the time and space for the expansion and energy harnessing but Otto together with Gottlieb Daimler decided to take a different approach. Instead of creating a novel and unproven rotating assembly they decided to rely on existing engine anatomy. They simply added another cylinder to harness the remaining energy of the exhaust gas.
Instead of letting exhaust gas go out into the atmosphere the high pressure cylinders would send it into the low pressure cylinder where the pressure remaining in the exhaust gas was used to drive the larger middle piston. So the outer cylinders operate like normal four stroke cylinders.
Well all of that sounds great in theory but Otto and Gottlieb’s five stroke engine was a failure. It was commercialized but it suffered from poor performance and production was quickly discontinued. Probably because Gottlieb and Otto were working with technology from late 1800s.
And so the design was abandoned but not forgotten. It laid dormant for 124 years until 2003, when it was awakened by Belgian engineer and inventor Gerhard Schmitz who patented a three-cylinder five-stoke engine which was virtually identical to Otto and Daimler’s design.
Of course getting a patent for a theoretical concept is one thing. Getting that concept materialized into a working prototype is another. But here Gerhard Schmitz managed to convince a very serious company to turn his idea into reality. Ilmor engineering. Maybe you haven’t heard of them but Ilmor is nothing like any the newly sprung-up companies created around novel engine designs. Founded in 1983 by Mario Illien and Paul Morgan Ilmor engineering has been successfully designing and developing engines for Chevrolet in Indycar racing, for Sauber and Mclaren in Formula 1, they even competed in MotoGP.
So when a company like this takes on the development of a novel engine design it definitely gives the design credibility and high hopes of reaching mass production. So Ilmor got busy and just 4 years later in 2007, we got a running prototype.
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@bigb0ss282
@bigb0ss282 4 күн бұрын
6:18 that black spot made me rub the screen thinking it was a little bug XD
@Sergio_Loureiro
@Sergio_Loureiro 4 күн бұрын
The guy who in fact patented the 4 stroke engine was Beau de Rochas. Nikolaus Otto was the one who executed the idea.
@trumanhw
@trumanhw 4 күн бұрын
Goddamn you are smart. I have so much respect for your intelligence. I'd guess you have a ≥145 IQ. Bc I don't believe anyone else helped you create the conclusion you ultimately came to, & obviously, no one wrote this for you. Both of which are testaments to a very intelligent mind's ability to research & think clearly. Thank you vm for your contributions to my understanding of engineering & physics. Anyway, your writing reminds me of another channel whose writing I find so intelligent as to be elegant, example, describing why perpetual motion machines cannot work: _Without a difference in thermal states from which to establish a flow of energy ..._ _...mechanical work cannot be extracted from the system._ Episode...: _Pulling Energy Out Of Thin Air_ YT Channel: _NEW MIND_ YT specifier: UK8Fw5Zjna0
@Huby_7575
@Huby_7575 4 күн бұрын
I wonder what your thoughts are on turbo-compound engines since they work in different way but have the same goal as the 5 stroke.
@patricklindahl868
@patricklindahl868 3 күн бұрын
Why not do a video about the SAAB engine that had variable compression. 1,6 liter, 250 HP and fuel consumption of 4 liters/100 km (58.8 miles/US gallon). It was bought by GM and buried, since it was too efficient, or was it some other reason? I know that they had (at least) one engine up an running at Ring Knutstorp in Sweden at some point.
@Jayberisk3793
@Jayberisk3793 4 күн бұрын
We driving 5 answers today
@eTiMaGo
@eTiMaGo 4 күн бұрын
beat me to it :D
@d4a
@d4a 4 күн бұрын
​@@eTiMaGoA rival appears!
@michaelbrinks8089
@michaelbrinks8089 4 күн бұрын
​@@d4a Did you cover the Mazda 2 stroke engine that has valves yet?
@Preen59
@Preen59 4 күн бұрын
Outstanding. 😂
@shti1423lostaccounts
@shti1423lostaccounts 4 күн бұрын
About to comment, then this is top comment. i hope your pillow is also hot on the other side 🤣
@CaseyW491
@CaseyW491 4 күн бұрын
Driving 4 Answers manages to make videos on engine topics I've never heard of with pretty regular frequency. That's so rare on KZfaq and I love it.
@bmw328igearhead
@bmw328igearhead Күн бұрын
Agreed, This gentleman rocks.
@ssattanen
@ssattanen 2 күн бұрын
Hello from finland. I am mechanical engineer, and I most love your clear explanations and great videos. Most of things are clear for me, but you still can educate me. I am more than happy to learn from you. For example the EGR: I never thought about “dirtyness” in intake manifold caused by piston rings! As you explained it, it was completely clear. Of course Your videos are most relaxing and professional and clear as far as I know. Excellent work!
@danialphaomega
@danialphaomega Күн бұрын
Engines were NEVER designed to have recirculation exhaust back in the intake thats why old engines last longer than new ones for example old diesel engines last up 1M miles vs DEF engines that may go bad at 30-50K miles same goes for the CATs in the exhaust they get plugged up like an old man with no fiber in its diet 😂
@bizmuthhelm9115
@bizmuthhelm9115 23 сағат бұрын
Let us not confuse EGR(Exhaust Gas Recirculation as an emission solution targeting nitrogen oxide), and PCV(Positive Crankcase Ventilation as a solution for combustion products that make their way past the rings, contaminating the engine oil).
@jessdarlington1007
@jessdarlington1007 3 сағат бұрын
Clear explanation maybe, shame he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
@justcarcrazy
@justcarcrazy 3 күн бұрын
5:07 Diesel engines don't rev as high because of the flame propagation speed in the cylinder, not because of heavier internals. Top fuel dragster engines rev plenty high, yet they too have heavy internals to cope with the boost pressures.
@KindredBrujah
@KindredBrujah 14 сағат бұрын
Right, but dragsters require crazy fuel mixes to achieve those revs. A standard diesel engine will be limited by the weight of the components it's being expected to shift.
@Cragified
@Cragified 13 сағат бұрын
Rather massive difference between top fueler stroke length (~4.5 inch) and a diesel engine stroke length (4.88 inch). Or in comparing bore to stroke diesel engines are undersquare while a top fuel dragster engine is oversquare. Longer stroke = more reciprocating component inertia due to higher velocities. If your crank radius is the same then a longer stroke piston has to travel a greater distance in the same amount of time at the same rpm as a shorter stroke engine. And you cannot just increase crank radius due to both the room it would take, lateral forces it would apply to the piston, and you'd have reduced mechanical leverage on the crank. When you get to the really big 'diesels' such as marine engines they use crossheads so the long component of the connecting rod can travel vertically up and down and retain a efficient crank radius.
@chaosopher23
@chaosopher23 2 сағат бұрын
Also remember: (way back when) Gas pump attendees used to smoke like chimneys while putting gas in your car. However, everyone stopped smoking when the top fuel drag cars were in the shop. Why? Few outsiders know this. Nitromethane - that yummy ingredient in dragster fuel - is a liquid high explosive. It's mixed with methanol in just the right amount to be sent through a fuel system. In some ultra-high-speed videos of dragsters doing dragster things st the Christmas tree, you can sometimes see liquid coming out of their exhaust pipes. It's because the fuel is a high explosive that dragster engines are so heavy. NM... nasty stuff, also glow plug airplane fuel!
@atharvamodak2998
@atharvamodak2998 4 күн бұрын
10:53 “twice the balls, half the hair” 😂😂
@littlejefe494
@littlejefe494 4 күн бұрын
In my case is twice the hair and half the balls due to testicular cancer😅😂😅
@fcampojr
@fcampojr 4 күн бұрын
​@@littlejefe494😂, but😢
@Mattsretiring
@Mattsretiring 4 күн бұрын
😮😮😮😮​@@littlejefe494
@Hungary_0987
@Hungary_0987 3 күн бұрын
​@@littlejefe494sucks man, hope your doing fine
@1873Winchester
@1873Winchester 3 күн бұрын
@@littlejefe494 Sucks to hear, you know that reminded of the fact we all got microplastics in our balls nowadays, and in our dicks too according to a recent study. related?
@terryuland6502
@terryuland6502 4 күн бұрын
Sounds like a generator operated at a constant load and RPM would be a better use for the modern 5-stroke engine than a passenger car.
@fulconandroadcone9488
@fulconandroadcone9488 4 күн бұрын
why not passenger car? most hybrid vehicles have some form of transmission, for as long as generator is of same weight as that transmission system it will be a net benefit.
@Thinginator
@Thinginator 4 күн бұрын
​@@fulconandroadcone9488Constant load and rpm is the exact use case of a range extender engine in a plugin hybrid. This would be perfect for that use case if a manufacturer intended to make enough to justify a specific engine just for plugin hybrids.
@MindVortex23
@MindVortex23 Күн бұрын
Also single engine GA planes (but good luck with certifying that lol), where using 75% of max RPM is standard
@Makaya9s
@Makaya9s Күн бұрын
​@@Thinginator would be better than mazda trying to put rotaries in hybrids as range extenders😂
@davidotness6199
@davidotness6199 10 сағат бұрын
Exactly what I was going to say.
@russpayne6808
@russpayne6808 2 күн бұрын
This video is spot-on : a really good explanation of the basics, but also some deeper knowledge that is needed to really understand why these "improvements" on the basi cycle never got anywhere. I love the final teaser comments around "what would Otto say about his invention today?" .....I think he would be crushingly proud of that contribution, and in the same way that Mozart would play synthesizers, Otto would really appreciate variable valve-timing, turbos, fully digital control systems etc. Well done!
@tsbrownie
@tsbrownie 3 күн бұрын
17:50 Letting you know... steam turbine technology is just a few years behind ICEs having been invented in 1884. Electric motors were invented in 1832, so they are 192 years old. ;)
@tifogra689
@tifogra689 Күн бұрын
I was looking for this comment :-)
@tsbrownie
@tsbrownie Күн бұрын
@@tifogra689 I feel bad, but he did ask.
@magmatri-studios
@magmatri-studios Күн бұрын
Yes but his main point was how ubiquitous ICE engines have been in life for so long. Steam engines came and went. And the electric motor, while invented in 1832, did not become incredibly common until recently.
@mikem9536
@mikem9536 Күн бұрын
@@magmatri-studios If buy recent, you mean only the past 80 years, you would be correct.
@cj09beira
@cj09beira Күн бұрын
@@magmatri-studios steam is to this day wildly used for power production
@rightwingsafetysquad9872
@rightwingsafetysquad9872 4 күн бұрын
When I was in college in 2014, a group of 3 of us did a feasibility sudy on this concept. We determined that there was no design goal for which a 6-stroke engine was the optimum solution (terminology we used, but it was the same thing). If power density was desired, a bigger conventional engine is the best choice. If efficiency is desired, a turbocharger or turbine generator (for a hybrid system) on a smaller engine is best. It's a very interesting concept and has the potential to do what proponents claim. But it's just not better than alternatives.
@wiredforstereo
@wiredforstereo 3 күн бұрын
Everything is a compromise and it all comes down to money. I think it would be good for generators or hybrids were it could be run at full power or not at all. Did you look at this? What about a diesel version? Detroit now makes a road truck engine with a secondary turbine that harvests a little extra torque. As a fellow engineer, I'd love to hear your thoughts. (Unfortunately, I got the wrong degree)
@danieltanuwijaya7675
@danieltanuwijaya7675 3 күн бұрын
Really I think a turbocompound setup is a more viable solution. Takes a lot less space and you can simply disconnect the turbine from the crankshaft at low rpm. Turbocompound system is also something that theoretically you can simply add to an existing engine design, almost like installing a supercharger.
@rightwingsafetysquad9872
@rightwingsafetysquad9872 3 күн бұрын
@@danieltanuwijaya7675 This is the first time I've heard the term 'turbocompound', but yes, that is what I was describing. I just had to look it up.
@earlyrobotmind
@earlyrobotmind 3 күн бұрын
Turbo is good for power with fuel efficiency, but the air efficiency is poor. Turbos burn a lot of air and make around twice the Nox and CO2
@rightwingsafetysquad9872
@rightwingsafetysquad9872 2 күн бұрын
@earlyrobotmind All properly running, road going, gasoline engines burn 22% of the air they intake (the portion that is oxygen). Turbo engines avoid NOx by using intercoolers and lower compression. And the efficiency of turbochargers is often misrepresented.
@paulalcock6735
@paulalcock6735 4 күн бұрын
Bro my Captions said Sad vacuum cleaner noises when he revved the car.
@alrecks619
@alrecks619 4 күн бұрын
ps3 era gran turismo games be like.
@Rpzz0
@Rpzz0 4 күн бұрын
Mine said "*sad vacuum cleaner noises" 😂 I'm dead ,💀
@paulalcock6735
@paulalcock6735 4 күн бұрын
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@paulalcock6735
@paulalcock6735 4 күн бұрын
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@oorhood
@oorhood 4 күн бұрын
0:40
@fisharmor
@fisharmor 2 күн бұрын
It wasn't abandoned - I instantly recognized this as a double expansion engine and steam engines in ships were using even triple expansion engines for decades until they got replaced with diesels.
@barry7608
@barry7608 19 сағат бұрын
For me an extremely interesting and very well presented video. My father was an aero engineer with RR and DeHavilland, back in war WW1 he was among the first to join the Royal Flying Corps. As a youngster he taught me much about 2 and 4 stroke engines but alas as my feisty years approached ‘life’ took a greater part and so much of what he knew was last. But whenever I would tell him about new advances, at least new to me, he would reply it’s all been tried before !! And he would tell me who where and why it failed, or was successful in some cases. I am eternally indebted to him for his efforts, but I think we may have missed the 5 stroke, but I’ll also bet he knew of the process. Thanks again I will forward to my son, take care
@toyotaprius79
@toyotaprius79 4 күн бұрын
Just call it what it is, a compound engine. Steam cars, tractors and locomotives used it the most.
@bastiangugu4083
@bastiangugu4083 4 күн бұрын
That's what Verbund Motor literally means. 🙂
@rcajavus8141
@rcajavus8141 4 күн бұрын
exactly. its a 180 year old tech used in 150 years old design, yet it took 150 years for "someone" to do it? retarded!!!! Current ICE designs are still using the first design principles of not using exhaust gasses or optimizing mechancal loads making us waste around 70% of fuel.
@d4a
@d4a 4 күн бұрын
Exactly! Some books say Gottlieb was inspired by compound steam engines he saw in the UK.
@brianmack6285
@brianmack6285 4 күн бұрын
You beat me to it! And since ships and trains generally operate at a constant load and speed, the engine can be optimized for those without the offspeed drawbacks mentioned here.
@pbe6965
@pbe6965 4 күн бұрын
@@brianmack6285 exactly, might make a comeback as range extenders someday since they also are operating at constant load and speed.
@OutsideTheTargetDemographic
@OutsideTheTargetDemographic 4 күн бұрын
I come to this channel for the wrinkles in my brain, but I stay for the delicious diatribes you close the videos out with. 😂 "Don't tell me ICE is dead : Read the room!"
@joeshmoe7967
@joeshmoe7967 4 күн бұрын
I commented on that too. The jab at the end was awesome. Great content over all.
@Chris-hx3om
@Chris-hx3om 3 күн бұрын
It's actually the EV that is on the deathbed. Tesla has over 67,000 unsold EVs hidden in carparks all over the US, VW is redirecting €60 *BILLION* from EV development back to internal combustion engines, Fiat is retrofitting the 500e with petrol engines because the battery vehicles aren't selling, both GM and Ford are 'scaling back' (read 'stopping') production of their EV Silveraro/F150 Lightning due to 'lack of sales'.... All this in an environment where the commodity prices of the raw materials required to build lithium ion batteries (lithium, cobalt, copper, nickel, manganese, etc) have fallen off a cliff! If it wasn't for 'carbon credits' (please don't get me started on those!), Tesla (the company) would never have gotten off the ground.
@davemccage7918
@davemccage7918 3 күн бұрын
I now know how to save ICE cars from the impending EV apocalypse! It’s simple, we return to steam… Add a boiler and turbine to an ICE car’s exhaust system that captures the waste heat and converts it to power. Boom, 100% efficiency achieved! You can mail me my engineering award at your convenience, no rush.
@TheMattmic
@TheMattmic 3 күн бұрын
@@davemccage7918Steam engines have even lower thermal efficiencies of ICE engines and ICE engines seldom achieve 35 percent efficiency in real world conditions. Take it for what it is: ICE was an improvement over steam and EV is an improvement over ICE… Don’t believe me? Ask yourself why farms retired their old flywheel powered tools and appliances that were connected to loud and smoky hit and miss engines around the turn of the last century when electricity was brought to rural villages…
@alexguest9937
@alexguest9937 2 күн бұрын
Makes me think the best 'enhancement' of the 4 stroke engine ever designed was actually Honda's Variable Valve Timing. Rather than 're-inventing the wheel', Honda very wisely took one single aspect of it and applied new thinking (and technology) to produce something genuinely useful. Honda truly is a visionary company.
@carloslara7452
@carloslara7452 Сағат бұрын
BMW has infinitely variable valve, duration and lift allowing for the n52 engine to run without a throttle body
@MaximumBan
@MaximumBan Күн бұрын
**Harnessing the Power of Exhaust Gases: Balancing Efficiency and Emissions** In the quest for more efficient automotive engines, engineers continually seek ways to extract every possible bit of energy from the combustion process. One promising approach involves harnessing the power of exhaust gases, a strategy that, while potentially very effective, must be carefully balanced to maintain emissions standards. **Understanding the Ideal Gas Law** To appreciate the challenges and opportunities in harnessing exhaust gases, it's useful to revisit the ideal gas law: PV = nRT. In this equation, P represents pressure, V represents volume, n is the amount of gas, R is the gas constant, and T is the temperature. This relationship highlights that in a given volume, a reduction in pressure results in a decrease in temperature. This principle is critical when considering the use of exhaust gases to generate additional power. **Turbocharging and Turbines** One well-known method of utilizing exhaust gases is the turbocharger. Turbochargers use the exhaust gases to drive a turbine connected to a compressor, which then increases the pressure of the air entering the engine. This increased air pressure allows for more fuel to be burned, resulting in more power from the same engine displacement. However, turbocharging must be carefully managed to ensure that the exhaust gases remain hot enough to keep the catalytic converter functioning effectively. Another concept involves placing a turbine in the exhaust stream, similar to a turbocharger but designed to directly generate mechanical or electrical power from the exhaust gases. This approach can potentially convert a greater portion of the exhaust energy into useful work, but it also poses challenges. As exhaust gases expand through the turbine, their pressure drops, which according to the ideal gas law, also causes a drop in temperature. **Balancing Efficiency and Emissions** The challenge with using exhaust turbines lies in balancing the need to extract energy from the exhaust gases with the necessity of maintaining sufficient temperature for the catalytic converter. If the exhaust gases cool too much before reaching the catalytic converter, the converter's effectiveness in reducing harmful emissions such as CO and NOx is compromised. One potential solution is to carefully manage the design and placement of the turbine. By optimizing the turbine's efficiency and controlling the flow of exhaust gases, it may be possible to harness significant power without excessively reducing the gas temperature. Additionally, advances in materials and catalytic converter design could allow these components to operate effectively at lower temperatures, providing more flexibility in how exhaust energy is utilized. **Conclusion** Harnessing the power of exhaust gases represents a significant opportunity for improving engine efficiency and reducing fuel consumption. However, this approach requires a delicate balance to ensure that emissions control systems, particularly catalytic converters, continue to operate effectively. As automotive technology continues to advance, innovative solutions will be needed to maximize the benefits of exhaust energy recovery while maintaining strict emissions standards. By carefully managing the interplay of pressure, temperature, and catalytic reaction dynamics, engineers can unlock new levels of efficiency and performance in modern engines.
@petergerdes1094
@petergerdes1094 4 күн бұрын
The Porsche approach of just using a turbine to turn the energy in the exhaust gas into electricity seems better. That approach naturally deals with the fluctuations and turbines are a well developed low weight way to harness energy.
@ThiagoMarquardt
@ThiagoMarquardt 4 күн бұрын
Exactly! Same concept, clever solution.
@BlacKi-nd4uy
@BlacKi-nd4uy 2 күн бұрын
still, under light load, the consumption wasnt better. and most of the time, the engine in a car is under light load.
@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306
@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306 2 күн бұрын
But.. wind turbines cause cancer....
@artysanmobile
@artysanmobile 4 күн бұрын
“..read-the-room!” What perfect delivery of that old chestnut. 👏🏽
@davemccage7918
@davemccage7918 3 күн бұрын
“Let me know when any other type of propulsion system last over 150 years!” (Firearms has entered the chat)
@russbell6418
@russbell6418 2 күн бұрын
@@davemccage7918 But only as a shaftless horizontal engine.🤣🤣🤣
@artysanmobile
@artysanmobile 7 сағат бұрын
@@davemccage7918 The fact firearms make your list of propulsion systems is telling.
@LJSpit
@LJSpit 4 күн бұрын
Great show. Informative and entertaining. Hard to get both. And you do it!
@joesilverbliss1721
@joesilverbliss1721 2 күн бұрын
Great video. I really liked your graphic on torque contribution for each stroke. I also liked you explanation of how higher compression ratio increases power. Thanks.
@sneakythumbs9900
@sneakythumbs9900 4 күн бұрын
Isn't another reason why the 5 stroke engine did not take off is that fuel injection has allowed 4 stroke engines to effectively reduce the intake/compression stroke by leaving the intake valves open beyond BDC and delaying fuel injection until later in the compression stroke?
@Jo-rz6bs
@Jo-rz6bs 4 күн бұрын
Get atkinsoned
@stonelaughter
@stonelaughter 4 күн бұрын
As I heard it, the intake valves are left open after BDC because some inlet gas is still moving inwards at BDC - which means that you can increase the inlet charge basically for free. Just after BDC the inlet valves are closed; which creates a shock wave that improves the mechanics of compression. p.s. they did this on carb engines as well.
@leifhietala8074
@leifhietala8074 4 күн бұрын
Yup. That's called "modified Atkinson" or "simulated Atkinson" and it achieves similar results without the fragility of the extra linkages in the genuine Atkinson design. The Toyota Prius and some other hybrids use this valve timing cycle; it was never really viable for cars until hybrids because the torque output is pretty poor, especially at low speeds. The EV system in a hybrid supplies good torque even at rest so the engine's shortcomings are covered.
@nathangamble125
@nathangamble125 4 күн бұрын
@@leifhietala8074 Or "Miller" if it has a turbocharger.
@jasonsmith4902
@jasonsmith4902 4 күн бұрын
That's called a Miller cycle engine. Does require a supercharger though.
@georgedone7997
@georgedone7997 4 күн бұрын
This seem like an ideal engine for an electrical vehicle range extender. As an engine used to charge the batteries you can run it exactly at the optimal rpm and avoid the problems of diminished (or negative) returns at low rpm.
@JamesField
@JamesField 4 күн бұрын
I had the same thought. Not sure if that's great minds thinking alike, or two idiots having the same idea...
@frontiervirtcharter
@frontiervirtcharter 4 күн бұрын
Also, how much extra energy could be extracted by boiling water with the heat left in the exhaust gas after it leaves the catalytic converter?
@Appletank8
@Appletank8 4 күн бұрын
The Atkinson/Miller cycle engines already do the same thing without needing a custom engine block. You can just take a regular Otto engine and change the valve timing and connecting rods.
@garrettmasarik8012
@garrettmasarik8012 4 күн бұрын
Uhm... yeah... you are 30 years behind the curve here, guys... you're talking about "hybrids"... except you are getting ALL of the emissions at a 5%- 7% efficiency as you are not actually transferring any combustion energy to the tires... which is why we had the hybrids in the first place; the engine running uses the same amount of fuel whether or not the power hits the road...
@garrettmasarik8012
@garrettmasarik8012 4 күн бұрын
@@frontiervirtcharter well, as the exhaust temp would have the be WELL above 212F/ 100C to boil water and you can put your hand in the exhaust flow without getting severe burns... and you can actually SEE water DRIPPING out of tail pipes... I'd say NONE.
@JoeMalovich
@JoeMalovich 3 күн бұрын
Neat video! This is a jumping off point for your next video concerning ERS-H and other exhaust gas energy recovery methods right?
@onemoremisfit
@onemoremisfit 4 күн бұрын
Just a pedantic detail and I could be wrong, but I think the energy wasted is only heat, not heat + noise, because the noise we hear is only a byproduct of the thermal expansion of the hot gases in the cooler atmosphere. In other words the noise is made by the heat as opposed to being additional to the heat. This is how mufflers (and silencers/suppressors) work by creating a buffer chamber in which that violent thermal expansion will occur before it can reach our ears.
@Tsnafu
@Tsnafu 4 күн бұрын
Just here to let you know - electric motors have existed for longer. Michael Faraday demonstrated circular electrically induced motion in 1821, Sturgeon demonstrated the first practical DC motor in 1832 and by 1838, Moritz von Jacobi built an electric boat that carried 14 people across the Neva river.
@danieltanuwijaya7675
@danieltanuwijaya7675 4 күн бұрын
Fair, but electric motors is nowhere near as complex as an Otto cycle engine and hadn't been used to power a car until very recently.
@Andrew-se9be
@Andrew-se9be 4 күн бұрын
​​@@danieltanuwijaya7675that's actually incorrect. The first electric car was built in the 1880's, but the first electric vehicle prototypes were built as far back as the 1830's.
@lucasv5359
@lucasv5359 4 күн бұрын
@@danieltanuwijaya7675you don’t know how a permanent magnet synchronous machine (aka electric motor used by teslas)works, it is more complex than combustion engines, in my opinion
@timothydevries383
@timothydevries383 4 күн бұрын
Yes however obviously a prerequisite is the use of the worst cluster devices known to engineers, batteries.
@danieltanuwijaya7675
@danieltanuwijaya7675 4 күн бұрын
@@lucasv5359 I'm familiar with electric motors and no they are nowhere near as complex as the average car engine (it's magnets on a shaft on a housing filled with copper coils), at least mechanically. They (PMSM motors) do need some fancy inverters and controllers to work but so does a modern engine these days with their ECUs.
@fr57ujf
@fr57ujf Күн бұрын
This is one of the best-organized, best-written, and best-narrated technical videos I've ever watched. Very enjoyable. You have a new subscriber. Thank you.
@johanslabbert2869
@johanslabbert2869 4 күн бұрын
Three key points: 1. The moment you mentioned part-throttle operation, the penny dropped. The science is sobering. 2. The main reason IC engines rules is the energy density of the fuel it uses. It doesn’t matter if you lose 65% when you have a gazillion percent to start with. Looking at you, lithium ion bleh… 3. My best conclusion is that the future lies in hybrid technology. Instead of IC versus Electric, combined these two can make a formidable team.
@itschrisuphere
@itschrisuphere 4 күн бұрын
Except that the other key point you seemed to have missed: do not understimate the importance of simplicity, and the problems with complexity. An EV drive train with li-ion IS the new 4 stroke engine platform. Using the principles of 'the cumulative production of a technology platform and exponentially decreased costs' - i.e. why the 4 stroke engine has been the undisputed winner, means it takes another propulsion platform that is architecturally superior in thermodynamics (check), with a set of sub components that each enjoy benefits of manufactured scale (check). Add in the simplicity, and at that point it only becomes a matter of time that a low enough price and scale results in the displacement of the 4-stroke ICE engine. No doubt, it has had a great run and made a great contribution to humanity. But we also need to accept it, and say good riddance.
@georgeellis6002
@georgeellis6002 4 күн бұрын
Again, reality is far from naive theories. Hybrid cars combine the worst aspects of both worlds and are utterly senseless in practice. With an engine drive train combination which ist 10 fold more efficient compared to ICE technology from the 19th century fuel energy density becomes much less of an issue that you would like to think. Most people are stuck 20 years in the past in their knowledge of EV and this is like 100 years in ICE time.
@rock7343
@rock7343 4 күн бұрын
@@itschrisuphere The complexity of an EV lies in it's battery, ignoring that and focusing on the motors as if they are the only component that matters is ignorant at best and intentionally misleading at worst. An EV, though it may have less moving parts, is not simpler than an engine, even modern ones with all their sensors and emission controls.
@itschrisuphere
@itschrisuphere 4 күн бұрын
@@rock7343except that complexity manufacture is different from part complexity. And having a magnitude fewer moving parts is not something you can ‘hand wave’ away (again, see equivalent analogues for other non 4 and 2 stroke engine types re: this video)
@xXYannuschXx
@xXYannuschXx 4 күн бұрын
@@itschrisuphere The problem is that lithium battery costs are stagnating and still not at a point where they cover all use cases (low range, slow charging, etc.). EVs currently are more expensive then compareable ICE cars and that wont change unless battery costs go down alot more.
@ilovelimpfries
@ilovelimpfries 4 күн бұрын
Damn, this guy gives so much hope at the beginning of his video and then tore it down with such ruthlessness at the end that I lost hope on future ICE engines.
@SWOgottaGO
@SWOgottaGO 4 күн бұрын
ICE will outlive you.
@SupraSav
@SupraSav 4 күн бұрын
🤣😂
@3xeplodng_3agle_studios
@3xeplodng_3agle_studios 4 күн бұрын
You shouldnt. Funny comment though. Lol
@zdenekkindl2778
@zdenekkindl2778 4 күн бұрын
No! He is telling you it took us 150 years to take Otto design this far and every next tweek will be more and more difficult and will take time, eh?
@brianhind6149
@brianhind6149 4 сағат бұрын
As usual, you have a marvelous delivery, & always deliver a well spoken technical description of your subject. Thank you for your delightful & informative video. I never fail to learn SOMETHING from your treatise. Cheers! from the windswept Prairies of Alberta Canada.
@grendelsgarage9723
@grendelsgarage9723 2 күн бұрын
Good work! One day, when i have time, i need to learn how to disassembly one of these motors. Thanks for sharing 🎉🎉
@robertkb64
@robertkb64 4 күн бұрын
What you described are known as multiple expansion engines in naval engineering, and were obsolete 70 years ago. Between the world wars naval warships migrated from the then-common triple expansion engine (you describe double expansion engine) to a better method of harnessing power - steam turbines. During WW2 however as the US ramped up its lend-lease program to expand supplies to Allied forces in Europe (and then even more so once it officially joined the war) this style of engine saw a dramatic resurgence in popularity as its simpler, faster, and cheaper to produce than any of the competing turbine models of its era - keeping in mind that all naval power plants operated by steam power, using some mix of coal (really old ships) or bunker fuel (heavy fuel oil that has to be heated before it can even be pumped) to boil sea water to generate steam which then allowed power via expansion to be leveraged however it was needed. Triple expansion engines work great in naval applications as they can be sized to the application, and the overall scale is so large that entire banks can be brought online or held in standby rather than throttling up or down an individual plant, allowing a ship to simply bypass the performance deadzones that exist as you outlines.
@paradiselost9946
@paradiselost9946 4 күн бұрын
you, um.... are aware that steam turbines are simply multi expansion engines, right? other than single stage delavals, theyre all compounded to a certain degree...
@robertkb64
@robertkb64 4 күн бұрын
@@paradiselost9946 Since I know the applied naval history I took it as assumed that I understood the operating principle :) Though you’re right, many won’t have that context - that all of these discussions are about century+ old technologies. History may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme :)
@danieltanuwijaya7675
@danieltanuwijaya7675 4 күн бұрын
Seems the better approach to do this multi stage expansion engine is sticking a turbine connected to the engine's exhaust manifold sending extra power to the crankshaft. A whole lot more compact. I believe some old WW2 planes and some truck engines do this.
@Amy-dq2lg
@Amy-dq2lg 4 күн бұрын
@@danieltanuwijaya7675 or an electric motor, like the F1 MGU-H
@robertkb64
@robertkb64 4 күн бұрын
@@danieltanuwijaya7675 yes, that technique of essentially using the front stage of a turbocharger mechanically coupled to the crank was also used immediately post-war (not sure it actually made it into combat), though with the rise in jet turbines the days of that technology were extremely limited. The term you’re thinking of is “turbo-compounding” - distinctly not the same as a compound super-turbo-charger (keep in mind that in that era “super” charging meant “mechanically engine driven” while “turbo” meant “driven by a turbine, essentially always in the exhaust”). This works essentially by replacing the compressor end of a turbocharger with direct link to the crank, so that exhaust gases drive the crank rather than increase engine power. I don’t watch Formula 1 but I suspect their mechanical energy recovery unit (or whatever it’s called) works under similar principles.
@rkc62
@rkc62 4 күн бұрын
Extra credit for "usurpation" - excellent video as always.
@staninjapan07
@staninjapan07 2 күн бұрын
Beautifully done as always. When a teacher knows his (or her) stuff and uses language precisely and concisely, you're in for a good lesson.
@kaustavkapur5532
@kaustavkapur5532 2 күн бұрын
Great video d4a! Do you think you can make a video on the challenges that prevent the MGUH from F1 being widely adopted in road cars despite addressing the issues mentioned in the above? Thanks!
@elmarko9051
@elmarko9051 4 күн бұрын
I saw an old steam-powered barge boat on either the Mississippi or Missouri. It used 3 pistons, small where the high-pressure steam went in first, then to a medium and large piston, extracting all the useful work from the steam. I remembered that from 30 years ago when seeing your animation with the low-pressure pistons.
@russbell6418
@russbell6418 2 күн бұрын
Useful because it didn’t need to stop and go. Continuous high torque.
@tekelili1
@tekelili1 4 күн бұрын
In aviation, we had the turbo-compound designs made in order to harness the remaining energy of the exhaust gases. This also led to very complex and unreliable engines although they actually brought better efficiency. All these have been wiped out by jet engines which are less efficient but far more reliable. And reliability in aviation is by far the key factor.
@joecook3223
@joecook3223 4 күн бұрын
You mean the r3350 with the power recovery turbines? Like you say i think it made sense that they went out in aeroplanes with the introduction of jet engines and their very superior reliability. But i'd never actually thought about using them in cars before, i wonder if it could be worth a shot seeing as they've stayed with piston engines. Wikipedia's r3350 write up says they managed 20% recovery, but mechanics called them "parts recovery turbines" because of increased exhaust temperature causing dropped valves. But it does sound like this improved with time. I wonder if they could be made to work on a car.
@tekelili1
@tekelili1 4 күн бұрын
@joecook3223 Yes exactly. I meant the R3350 in its turbo compound version powering the DC7 and the Super Constellations. The Connies were often finishing their flights on 3 engines sometimes 2 !!!. I don't know any implementation of the turbo compound tech on a car engine, but I heard Volvo is using it on some truck engines. Here again, reliability seems to be main problem preventing this solution to be widely adopted.
@CivicMikey
@CivicMikey 4 күн бұрын
Or MGU-H in F1 engines.
@ShortArmOfGod
@ShortArmOfGod 4 күн бұрын
A turbo compound in a diesel passenger vehicle would be very interesting and probably quite efficient.
@SkyWKing
@SkyWKing 4 күн бұрын
@@joecook3223 Turbocompound engines in the modern form are the F1 power units but instead of directly transforming the waste energy as work the MGU-H recovers that as stored electrical energy. Compound engines make the most sense for applications with a constant load and rpm, as is the case for planes. In reality these won't work on regular cars because in daily driving there is not enough exhaust energy to be recovered to warrant the extra weight, complexity, and cost. In fact, I think we are approaching the limit of extracting more thermal efficiency from ICEs because the biggest concern these days is getting the catalytic converter up to temperature and emissions regulations are increasingly targeting cold starts (where most of emissions come from in modern cars).
@endot5418
@endot5418 Күн бұрын
As usual !! Great video love your stuff !!! Interesting design too bad that this is overall very bad for different range using. But maybe interesting for stable rpm work
@OblivioniX17
@OblivioniX17 3 күн бұрын
Love everything you do! Always excited to see a new video ❤
@HatcheDWheeL
@HatcheDWheeL 4 күн бұрын
- ...Was ist los? - Herr Otto, we revived you for a few hours so that you may see the impact that you made on the world. - WAS!?
@leomux2004
@leomux2004 4 күн бұрын
XD
@kyleapril3258
@kyleapril3258 4 күн бұрын
I'd like to imagine him (like a few others) being like "Wait, you still haven't come up with a better idea yet after that long? What are you waiting for?"
@danieltanuwijaya7675
@danieltanuwijaya7675 4 күн бұрын
"It's been 150 years and y'all still used it?"
@thatdudeinorange5269
@thatdudeinorange5269 4 күн бұрын
Or: Here is my new improved engine that now can be made 😮
@custos3249
@custos3249 4 күн бұрын
150 Jahre später, Technologie zur Wiederbelebung der Toten, und du spielst immer noch mit meiner Scheiße? Idioten.
@vsikifi
@vsikifi 4 күн бұрын
"Let me know when any kind of propulsion technology manages to last 150 years" - well... sail propulsion has lasted thousands of years and is still in use and getting improved. Horse drawn stuff has also been used for thousands of years and and is so stuck in our culture that we still compare our engines to horses by using horsepower as unit.
@AndrewBrenner1
@AndrewBrenner1 4 күн бұрын
missed the complexity qualifier
@QuakeGamerROTMG
@QuakeGamerROTMG 4 күн бұрын
Ah yes, man's greatest engineering marvel: Horse
@Danielagostinho21
@Danielagostinho21 4 күн бұрын
he never said those words
@pbe6965
@pbe6965 4 күн бұрын
That's funny because electric propulsion predates ICE and will most likely also survive ICE. Once we've solved the battery issues ...
@Sergio_Loureiro
@Sergio_Loureiro 4 күн бұрын
"And let me know when ANY kind of propulsion technology manages to last 150 years, thank you very much." That is an easy one. The bicycle!
@brianhoward9217
@brianhoward9217 2 күн бұрын
EXCELLENT! Your videos are always EXCELLENT. A 5-stoke engine . . . would have thunk? 🙂Thank you for your spectacularly well produced and authoritatively good videos. Luv the accent BTW. Cheers from Sydney Australia.
@ngut5915
@ngut5915 3 күн бұрын
Though much easier said than done a 'quick fix' would be to bypass the exhaust gas cylinder at low rpm. It would produce turbo pressure and catalytic converter heat at low rpm and not take away power to accelerate the cylinder. Turbo pressure at high rpm would still be a problem and you would need some kind of a clutch that can connect the exhaust cylinder to the crankshaft in the exact right position so it would likely not work in applications where you need to switch back and forth from high to low rpm fast or often. Just realized disconnecting the middle cylinder would also completely mess up the balance so I guess it wouldn't be such a good fix after all...
@salamander405
@salamander405 2 күн бұрын
It would still sap rotational energy because even if exhaust gasses are bypassing the cylinder it’s still mechanically attached to the crankshaft and therefore the crankshaft will always be spending some amount of torque to continue moving that dead weight up and down. It’s possible that the added boost pressure would make up for the power loss, but it would end up doing that at the cost of reduced efficiency which would end up being functionally identical to just revving the engine harder without having that greater exhaust gas pressure
@ngut5915
@ngut5915 2 күн бұрын
That's the reason I said it would need some kind of a clutch that can detach from the crankshaft and attach in the right position again. But that would obviously mess up the balance.
@tinetannies4637
@tinetannies4637 4 күн бұрын
Glad to see an educated examination and analysis of 5 stroke engines and why they're not ultimately viable for consumer automotive use. The usual mass response is "Big oil is suppressing this amazing tech!"
@loungelizard836
@loungelizard836 3 күн бұрын
Big Oil would be happier than shit if this thing actually worked (better).
@vvevvevvvv
@vvevvevvvv 4 күн бұрын
Toyota recently said that it teams up with Mazda and Subaru to develop some more ICE engines. I think, Volkswagen said something similar recently too. ICE engine will stay with us for the nearest future, that is for sure.
@Name-kd5jj
@Name-kd5jj 4 күн бұрын
I would say 50 years at least. Now that companies are making mass market EVs the world sees that they are nonsense and all the hype was just hype. Hydrogen is promising but is still a long ways off. It will take a decade or more to develop a commercially viable hydrogen powertrain and decades more to build up infrastructure. ICE on the other hand is here, well known and tested. We can develop alternative fuels much easier that building hydrogen infrastructure. So considering all of this I would say ICE is here for at least the next 50 years.
@tallen6641
@tallen6641 4 күн бұрын
But increasingly relegated to niches: high performance, cheap retrofits, novelty, etc. Once a transition (like electrification) gets moving there’s little reason to invest much in the old. I think Toyota believes everyone jumped off a bit early so there’s room for some ICE development still, but I suspect very little. I’ve studied these tech substitution models in several industries and so the math is convincing me. But I get things wrong like anyone.
@myonen4402
@myonen4402 4 күн бұрын
The main area I think ice will continue to be relevant is as a range adder or hybrid component in haul and remote location use work vehicles
@valtersvasilis
@valtersvasilis 4 күн бұрын
​@@myonen4402 And seasonal work like farming - from harvest to seeding. Spraying and fertilizer spreading could be done without ICE and massive improvement in battery energy density.
@myonen4402
@myonen4402 4 күн бұрын
@@valtersvasilis yes I also see that an EV with a compact diesel electric generator could constant charge the batteries @ peak thermal efficiency would actually be amazing for me as an electrician because I could literally use my truck as a job site generator
@adan507
@adan507 2 күн бұрын
Great video as always man, keep it up. One question, always wandered why are there not ICE on high efficiency applications (trucks for example) but just for electrical power, the drive to wheels will be done by electrical motors. I think on those applications where efficiency is key and high performance occasions are low those type of designs (i think chevy volt had something like that) could be quite good. What am i missing that truck manufacturers see? do you have a video on that already?
@bfattori01
@bfattori01 4 күн бұрын
Your simplified explanation of the combustion cycle, and the various metrics that define it, is awesome. I learned more in this video that I have watching many many others!
@AlessandroGenTLe
@AlessandroGenTLe 4 күн бұрын
Finally, at 2:15, you explained WHY the turbochargers don't take power from engine and use instead "energy that would be wasted otherwise". Until now I didn't get how the presence of a turbocharger wasn't having a bad effect on the rotation of the crankshaft. I was thinking that it was the piston to push out the exhaust gas and therefore anything that wasn't a completely free exhaust pipe I thought was having a bad effect, "slowing" the motion of the crankshaft.
@Longbowgun
@Longbowgun 4 күн бұрын
Turbos primarily operate off the difference between temperatures from one side of the impeller to the other.
@dhruvakhera5011
@dhruvakhera5011 3 күн бұрын
@@Longbowgun like a carnot engine? i mean very different but still
@jeffco908
@jeffco908 3 күн бұрын
@@Longbowgun Huh? The impeller is spun by flow across it, not by temp difference. Hence a larger downpipe with less restriction can allow for better turbo efficiency. Air temp only matters with cylinder charge. Cooler air means more oxygen which increases the cylinder charge. Like a windmill, higher air speed across the blades the faster it spins. Flow through the impeller is exhaust gas, not intake air. Or im not understanding what your trying to say?
@e-curb
@e-curb Күн бұрын
@@jeffco908 You are correct. It's the flow that causes the impeller to spin. At the same time, if you could somehow encase the turbo so that there is zero heat loss, when you measure the temp before and after, there will be a significant drop in temp. Same goes for pressure. These two drops are equal to the energy transferred to the intake side of the impeller. This is an example of the 1st law of thermodynamics. Energy can't be created or destroyed, only transferred from one form to another. In this case, the pressure and temp of the exhaust gas is transferred into the torque of the impeller. The 1st law doesn't stop there. That torque is then transferred into increasing the pressure and temp of the intake air.
@rhekman
@rhekman 4 күн бұрын
Serious thought here - if ILMOR's 5 stroke design only extract the expansion cylinder's benefit at high loads, why not apply the engine to use cases that are near constant high load? Imagine a horizontally opposed version in light aircraft. Four HP cylinders and 2 LP cylinders would fit perfectly in the space for existing boxer 6 designs. Aircraft operate in a narrower RPM band and at higher load than automotive applications. The external turbocharger could be better sized to benefit from ram air and lower exhaust pressure at altitude. A 5 stroke design also mimicks the pinnacle of large piston driven aircraft radials of the 1950s that used turbo-compounding to extract exhaust energy. The Wright R3350 was used in the fastest prop airliners like the Douglas DC-7 and Lockheed Constellation and had exhaust turbines that drove a shaft coupled to the engine crankshaft (instead of an intake compressor wheel).
@Appletank8
@Appletank8 4 күн бұрын
Turbo compound engines were effectively replaced with gas turbines.
@rhekman
@rhekman 4 күн бұрын
​@@Appletank8 Right, turboprops are higher performance and lower maintenance for commercial and military applications that need higher thrust and/or longer range - cargo planes, small commuters, helicopters, etc. But who is spending half a million dollars to put a Pratt & Whitney PT6 in their Cessna?
@jameshaulenbeek5931
@jameshaulenbeek5931 4 күн бұрын
It could be a good design for a standby generator, except the complexity would be cause for more maintenance, negating the potential benefit.
@iamaerix
@iamaerix 2 күн бұрын
The real answer to this is good luck getting a design approved by the FAA within the next 2 decades for less than $10 million dollars.
@rhekman
@rhekman 2 күн бұрын
@@iamaerix True. As an outsider that just follows aviation out of curiousity, it's amazing that General Aviation seems fine with 70 year old engine technology. The FAA finally just approved unleaded avgas for christ's sake. It's like Lycoming and Continental have a regulatory moat around their business.
@littleshopofelectrons4014
@littleshopofelectrons4014 Күн бұрын
Great video! I loved the explanation of how increasing the compression ratio improves thermodynamic efficiency. I couldn't help but notice that this 5-stroke concept is very similar to the triple-expansion piston steam engine with its 3 cylinders used to extract more energy from the steam than a single cylinder. This was the most efficient incarnation of the piston steam engine before it was made obsolete by steam turbines with their higher efficiency and simpler design.
@amateurtorque6709
@amateurtorque6709 3 күн бұрын
Excellent video, really well explained I wonder if they could shut off the low compression cylinder at low loads, like the Cylinder On Demand engines of the 1980s.
@maxcactus7
@maxcactus7 4 күн бұрын
"you know, stuff like... twice the balls, half the hair" 😂 I literally Laughed so hard I shot coffee out of my nose at that line! And the commentary at the end was brilliant, thanks D4A!
@keithc5729
@keithc5729 3 күн бұрын
Do you know what the word literally means?
@maxcactus7
@maxcactus7 3 күн бұрын
@@keithc5729 Yes, I LITERALLY do, and I LITERALLY shot coffee out of my nose... vs. virtually or figuratively.
@bastiangugu4083
@bastiangugu4083 4 күн бұрын
Thanks for your very informative and entertaining videos. I'm so glad I found your channel about a year ago. Learned so much since then. And you are absolutely right, the era of the 4-stroke combustion engine is far from over. We might get new fuels, or it might be used to power the generator for electrical drive. But I think battery-EVs are the entirely wrong way.
@Its_King962
@Its_King962 3 күн бұрын
After watching this video, it made me curious about other uncommon stroke engines like the 3 stroke or a 6 stroke, and I found a page talking about a 6 stroke engine which is a mix between a combustion engine and a steam engine, it works as a normal 4 stroke engine but after that water is injected into the combustion engine which uses heat to vaporize the water and make the engine somehow work as a steam engine Pretty crazy but I found nothing about it other than an extremely old engine from 1883 called the Griffin six-stroke engine 😃😃 EDIT:also I love your videos, keep up the good work 👏👏 all the support from Jordan.
@mungrel6668
@mungrel6668 3 күн бұрын
Great informative, entertaining video, keep up the top work!
@DM-wp9vq
@DM-wp9vq 4 күн бұрын
Always great videos. Love the passion, the droppage of zee knowledges & of course the commitment to providing correct & honest information! 🎉
@timothydevries383
@timothydevries383 4 күн бұрын
A real engineer, grounded in real experience. There are not very many of us left in the world.
@devilsoffspring5519
@devilsoffspring5519 3 күн бұрын
Huh? There are probably more people in the world who are engineers today than ever before!
@jason-things_to_do
@jason-things_to_do 3 күн бұрын
@@devilsoffspring5519 As an Engineer that works with other engineer's, there are not many with common sense. Many are copy/paste and have no idea what they are doing
@j_taylor
@j_taylor 3 күн бұрын
I've worked with quite a few good engineers, and known others socially. If you don't know many, that sounds like a sample problem.
@Camgoonrichards
@Camgoonrichards 3 күн бұрын
D4A is a political scientist not an engineer
@b1lleman
@b1lleman 4 күн бұрын
Very interesting content well presented. Thank you.
@c.a.r.s.carsandrelevantspecs
@c.a.r.s.carsandrelevantspecs 4 күн бұрын
Very interesting! I learned a lot! Thanks so much for this video.
@savudinsimsirpasic4531
@savudinsimsirpasic4531 3 күн бұрын
Dude... hats down to you on the videos/channel... all the best from salt lake city up north...
@piccalillipit9211
@piccalillipit9211 4 күн бұрын
*Genuine question* why don't we spin up a turbine with the exhaust gas that runs a generator and that runs electrical assist / charges batteries
@S.ASmith
@S.ASmith 4 күн бұрын
F1 used to use that...MGU-H It's prone to failure and electrical issues.
@piccalillipit9211
@piccalillipit9211 4 күн бұрын
@@S.ASmith Interesting - Ill look it up. It was one of those things that seemed so obvious I thought I was being really stupid asking the question.
@vylbird8014
@vylbird8014 4 күн бұрын
Because it's a lot cheaper to just put the alternator on the fan belt.
@Kelle128
@Kelle128 4 күн бұрын
Because it's already a thing and it's called an alternator but it runs on the serpentine belt instead of exhaust gas. The exhaust turbine one already exists and that is called a turbocharger! It doesn't generate electricity but makes an extra boost for the engine which creates more power.
@piccalillipit9211
@piccalillipit9211 4 күн бұрын
@@Kelle128 "makes an extra boost for the engine which creates more power." NO IT DOES NOT. The additional fuel you can add as a result of the increased volume of O2 is what increases the power. NOT the turbocharger.
@justinmijnbuis
@justinmijnbuis 4 күн бұрын
Have you done a video about ceramic cylinder coatings by any chance? May be interesting to know why despite the great promise it went nowhere. Thanks for your super interesting and well-researched videos!
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 4 күн бұрын
"why despite the great promise it went nowhere" You mean why the big promises made by snakeoil-salesmen and other scammer never materialize?
@shiva_MMIV
@shiva_MMIV 4 күн бұрын
Ceramic is hard and can withstand high temperatures but it's also very fragile, so vibrations, big changes of temperature in short time, impacts, etc, can break it in little time making it unsuitable for production engines.
@AlessandroGenTLe
@AlessandroGenTLe 4 күн бұрын
Wasn't it used on BMW cylinders as surface finishing? I much prefer the chromium based ones anyway. I've used those since when I was a kid on my 2 stroke bikes...
@justinmijnbuis
@justinmijnbuis 4 күн бұрын
Were you thinking of Nikasil maybe? I don't think that was ceramic based? Anyway the (promised) ceramic advantage was much less heat transfer to the block. I think there was even talk of ceramic (coated) pistons too.
@r0thrux
@r0thrux 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for the great analysis (and history!). Have you ever looked at the "Quasiturbine" developed in Canada? I don't think it was ever tried as an internal combustion engine but only prototyped as way to use compressed air to run a tool. Potential, though...
@ScottDukesRealEstate
@ScottDukesRealEstate 3 күн бұрын
Great job explaining and illustrating. Thank you!
@BigUriel
@BigUriel 4 күн бұрын
Most modern engines already do this "fifth stroke" by the use of a turbocharger, the exhaust turbine extracts energy from the hot exhaust gases which gets transferred into positive intake pressure which pushes down on the pistons during the intake stroke, does the same thing. Plus of course you can change the operating parameters of the turbo on the fly, from low boost operation using only the expansion energy and increasing engine efficiency, to high boost operation for a large increase in torque on demand (at the expense of efficiency via an increase in exhaust backpressure, but you can't have everything). Heavy Diesel engines have also used an exhaust turbine to add torque directly to the transmission exactly the same way. It's just much simpler to fit a turbine to the exhaust than add an extra cylinder to the block just for this second expansion.
@seriouscat2231
@seriouscat2231 4 күн бұрын
I just wish there was a way to know the orders of magniture of these forces and energies.
@BigUriel
@BigUriel 3 күн бұрын
@@seriouscat2231 There is, it's called engineering.
@seriouscat2231
@seriouscat2231 3 күн бұрын
@@BigUriel, where should I go to look for this… engineering?
@BigUriel
@BigUriel 3 күн бұрын
@@seriouscat2231 Get a book in thermodynamics that gives you the equations for various cycles which allows you to calculate the indicated work done. Of course this isn't something you can learn in one afternoon, people get masters degrees on this stuff. Then you have to factor in mechanical losses. Those are very hard to calculate and you'll mostly just have to look up empirical tables of typical figures. OEMs just use FEA computer software that tells you everything about an engine's performance with pretty high accuracy. These are expensive and difficult to learn in their own right.
@RealOlawo
@RealOlawo 4 күн бұрын
The "Verbund Motor" is nothing that was invented newly. It was already used on steam engine with tripple expansion engines.
@ego4551
@ego4551 3 күн бұрын
Verbundmotor with an additional turbine at the end also saw wide commercial use in the early 20th century, yet modern ships don't use them. Tubo-diesel engine have just become to good.
@sailr
@sailr Күн бұрын
what a great video. Your presentation is entertaining and the technology is intrigueing! Thanks!
@stephenjones1833
@stephenjones1833 2 күн бұрын
Well-presented, informative, most enjoyable. Thanks!
@busterscrugs
@busterscrugs 4 күн бұрын
I'm no engineer, but I wonder if cylinder deactivation on the middle cylinder would improve low RPM efficiency. Add a secondary air system to warm up the cats and maybe this would be a feasible design 🤔
@throttlejunkie5524
@throttlejunkie5524 4 күн бұрын
As far as cylinder deactivation, I was thinking the same thing. Maybe use a similar concept to variable valve lift and shut down the low pressure cylinder, or at least limit its travel, with hydraulics and/or solenoids.
@Thinginator
@Thinginator 4 күн бұрын
I was thinking of giving the middle cylinder a fuel injector that only operates at low rpm. Something to give it just enough extra combustion to justify its weight until the outer cylinders are making enough pressure for the middle injector to shut off.
@knurlgnar24
@knurlgnar24 4 күн бұрын
Cylinder deactivation would do nothing as there are no pumping losses in the 3rd cylinder, only gain. The friction is what you want to reduce and for that you'd need to physically disconnect the piston/rod from the crank. Ain't happening in any reasonably efficient way.
@leifhietala8074
@leifhietala8074 4 күн бұрын
Generally speaking, the surer path to heat efficiency is bigger cylinders, fewer of them, and slower speeds. In the late 50s/early 60s Deere were building a huge 2-cylinder engine for its larger tractors that set efficiency records that wouldn't be broken for 16 years. So instead of building buzzy little 4s, maybe we should be focusing more effort on 3s and even 2-cylinder engines for powering the ICE side of PHEVS. Soft motor mounts absorb the worse vibes of low cylinder counts and the hybrid system takes care of everything else.
@terryuland6502
@terryuland6502 4 күн бұрын
My father has one of those that was converted to run on propane and I can count on my hands the number of times I remember him "filling it up"
@cannaroe1213
@cannaroe1213 4 күн бұрын
Propane has a lower heat content than diesel. Its very popular here in Europe because it's so cheap, and its sold at peteol station.
@JeyeNooks
@JeyeNooks 4 күн бұрын
Just bought a RE Himalayan. Love the single
@knurlgnar24
@knurlgnar24 4 күн бұрын
Exactly. There are practical limits to cylinder size depending on application but for gasoline road passenger vehicles the optimum is somewhere in the 600cc to 800cc range. The ONLY reason you see so many vehicles with 2.0L inline 4's is due to various government laws. The USA fortunately doesn't have these so 2.5l is common here. Below 4 cylinders there are other tradeoffs that generally result in a poor design for vehicles so they just shrink the cylinders. There's plenty of straight 6 trucks on the road with large bores. They're heavy but they're very efficient! It works for trucks. Then look at what they use in freighters and cruise ships. Big, slow, and 50% efficient. That's about the best efficiency this world has to offer with regard to practical heat engines.
@hrishikeshaggrawal
@hrishikeshaggrawal 4 күн бұрын
Or you could just build a Boxer 2 with fork and knife crankpin/connecting rod setup. Better yet, since torque twist becomes increasingly violent with displacement, you could use a U configuration U2 engine with two single inline engines with their crankshafts spinning in opposite directions and connected by 1:1 gears with a 0 phase difference in stroke cycles which gives 0 torque twist, and if you move the cylinder and the cylinder head up by the length of the stroke and connect the two piston heads from below the cylinder into a single entity, you can eliminate the friction made from the pistons heads pushing into the cylinder wall, since the unified set of pistons is receiving a net 0 force from the conrods spinning in opposite directions. The crankshaft balance weights completely cancel out the forces at TDC and BDC and the two balance weights cancel each other's side to side movement as well, though the secondary vibrations still remain since the weights are traveling in circles and the pistons in lines.
@ioanstokowski1647
@ioanstokowski1647 7 сағат бұрын
VERY entertaining while informative. Kudos! ❤
@cerneysmallengines
@cerneysmallengines 40 минут бұрын
Jay Leno talks about technology, how it need to be better on all fronts. It cant be better in some, and worse in others. It has to meet or exceed all expectations, or it just has no hope of catching on. One Idea I just had for this is to maybe make and inverse 2 stroke design. Most engines want to keep exhaust byproducts out of their crankcase. However, if you could channel the escaping exhaust gasses to help drive the piston up on the compression stroke, and have it escape naturally out the crankcase, you could achieve a similar effect to a 5 stroke design. A few problems I see with this though all pertain to oil. The first being, how do you keep oil in the motor. If you vent it into the crankcase, its going to blow the oil out through the exhaust. Next would be oil life. You are going to introduce exhaust byproducts into the oil, reducing its lubricity. You will also heat up the oil leading to further oil degradation. Alas, I think the problem lies outside the engine entirely. In the titanic, the triple expansion engines would utilize the steam to its entirety... or not. After leaving the triple expansion engines, the steam would continue to go through a turbine. Turbines have several advantages and disadvantages, one being that they are not ideal for fast acceleration. However, if you could mount your turbo charger to the front of the engine, and have it couple to the engine via the serpentine belt, you can gain a lot of advantages. By having the turbo essentially coupled to the crank, you can have something that can add power to the engine. As its going down the road, it can add rotational energy through the belt and assist the engine by using expended exhaust gasses. By doing so, you also relieve the engine of the load that is typically transcended by the serpentine belt. I love watching Engine Masters on Motor Trend, no Discovery. One on episode, they wanted to see just how much power you were losing to your accessories. They saw 40 horsepower depart the system just by driving an alternator, a water pump, and a radiator fan. Now add in all the extra crap that manufacturers have bolted on, such as Air Conditioning, Power Steering and the added load of the Alternator, and you can probably see losses nearing 100 horsepower in some applications. I say nearing, and every situation is different. That turbo charger belt can effectively remove that load and add power to the engine in the same stroke.
@_cul8r_
@_cul8r_ 4 күн бұрын
Who else tried to wipe off the black spot from their screen? lol
@gweasel7270
@gweasel7270 4 күн бұрын
I ran my cursor over it thinking I'de lost some pixels.
@conodigrom
@conodigrom 4 күн бұрын
My Miller-Atkinson 1NZ-FXE engine likes this video.
@bpark10001
@bpark10001 4 күн бұрын
The Atkinson cycle can be done in "conventional" 4-stroke engine. Instead of lengthening the power stroke, the intake stroke is "shortened". This is done by prematurely closing the intake valve, before the piston reaches BDC. So you are putting less fuel/air mix onto the cylinder. To this reduced amount of mix, the expansion stroke is longer & more energy can be captured. By adjusting the valve timing, the "Atkinson-ness" of the engine can be adjusted in real-time. This is especially useful as in cruise, the expansion can be increased, & decreased when brute bursts of power are required. The "electric revolution" is HELPING ICE technology. Gone is the requirement for the engine to adapt to varying loads. In hybrid vehicles, the engine is not started unless ~20KW of power is required. Sudden stop? The engine is kept at 20KW & charges a relatively small battery for 1 minute or less. Slow start? The battery provides that until it is almost depleted, then the engine starts & makes 20KW. The hybrid system also eliminates "shift bumps" & keeps engine load stabilized. Side effect (not directly related to the engine) is the ability to recover braking energy.
@azlktune
@azlktune 17 сағат бұрын
To adjust "Atkinson-ness" you also need to adjust combustion chamber size. Otherwise you only save some small energy on pumping losses, comparing to standard engine with a throttle. There are several problems with hybrid. Power below 20KW is needed very rarely. Normally you need a high power on acceleration and then about 20KW for keeping the speed. And this power range is already inefficient for 100KW engine. Also you can't use small light battery for recuperation, because charge current is very limited and much less then discharge current. Plus the price of battery cycle is close to the price of fuel. The better solution would be two ICE hybrid: one powerful for acceleration and one small (about 30KW) for constant speed and idling. Also good idea was from Citroen - hydraulic hybrid with hydraulic motor/pump and hydro-pneumatic accumulator. It is much cheaper more reliable and powerful then electric system. With it you can really use a small capacity for efficient brake recuperation.
@TheBalija1
@TheBalija1 4 күн бұрын
Koji si ti kralj, svaka cast na contentu!
@JoshWalker1
@JoshWalker1 4 күн бұрын
2:59 Indeed, if this were not true - that is, if the piston was responsible for pushing out the exhaust - two-stroke engines could not exist. I hadn't really thought of it this way until now but yep
@garrettmasarik8012
@garrettmasarik8012 4 күн бұрын
And two-stroke went away, for vehicles, as you have to inject the lubricant (oil) in with the fuel which leave all kinds of extra nasty shit coming out of the exhaust pipe... But that Kawasaki "Two Stroke Screamer" was scary fast and powerful... friggen accidentally pulling wheelies in 4th gear...
@JoshWalker1
@JoshWalker1 4 күн бұрын
@@garrettmasarik8012 Twice as many bangs per rev
@JoshWalker1
@JoshWalker1 4 күн бұрын
@@garrettmasarik8012 given the technical nature of the channel someone (so might as well be me) will probably point out that while almost all two-stroke designs also require oil either premixed or injected, this isn't inherent to running a two-stroke cycle. It is possible, and done in rare designs, to run a two-stroke cycle and also have an actual oil system such that the fuel can be just fuel. I'd enjoy very much a video on the topic to round out my limited understanding. Afaik the main reason this "couldn't" be done is two strokes allow for ports which don't decline in performance under dirty combustion (which two strokes seems to inherently involve, oil or not?) like valves with their tight tolerances. And, I guess, we could probably do a pretty sweet job designing one to work great now, even with an oiling system and valves, but emissions regulations make it so niche it's unlikely to get worked on. I am extrapolating a lot here and I'd love for the channel itself to touch it
@DABrock-author
@DABrock-author 4 күн бұрын
@@JoshWalker1 Exactly. The reason most 2-strokes need oil injected with the fuel is that they are using the crankcase as a supercharger. Put an external supercharger on it and you can have a sealed crankcase just like any 4-stroke. A modern sealed crankcase direct-injection 2-stroke could potentially be a very useful engine, and just as clean as any 4-stroke.
@JoshWalker1
@JoshWalker1 4 күн бұрын
@@DABrock-author My limited understanding has a hole in it! Elaborate on the "crankcase as supercharger" bit??
@GerinoMorn
@GerinoMorn 4 күн бұрын
I checked your videos and didn't see at a first glance, so I'll ask: have you heard about a design that was essentially a rod with fixed pistons at both ends, and a magnet in the middle, bouncing back and forth, with copper coils around the magnet stroke area to generate electricity? I saw it somewhere on the internet at least 15 years ago, as one of those "guy invents thing in his shed", and I have been wondering for 15 years why isn't it a thing :D With like 4 of such "tubes", to balance it, hidden in the floor of a car gives a very compact and "in theory" efficient vehicle.
@terryuland6502
@terryuland6502 4 күн бұрын
Yea I remember that, would be interested to know as well
@DABrock-author
@DABrock-author 4 күн бұрын
@GerinoMorn It’s called a ‘free piston’ engine and they have been working in niche applications for some time now.
@DarkFiber23
@DarkFiber23 3 күн бұрын
The Napier Noman (both I and II) would be an excellent follow-up to this video. It's amazing how complex and unique these engines were.
@robertberger8642
@robertberger8642 Күн бұрын
Fascinating, thanks for this! I’d never heard of this engine type before (and I used to be a mechanical engineer). I guess this engine type would only be practical for situations in which the engine was constantly performing near peak power output. Maybe for aircraft?
@olivialambert4124
@olivialambert4124 4 күн бұрын
It wasn't quite as unsuccessful as we might think. Steam engines. First conceived perhaps a century before Otto's idea, it started actually being commonly used around the same time and may have been where Otto got the idea. That continued for a very long time in ships slowly being phased out around WW2 for the far more powerful turbine engine and/or diesel. Triple expansion was likely the most common method, but it works exactly like this engine here. A high pressure initial cylinder, that expands to a larger lower pressure cylinder, again expanding in the final cylinder before being exhausted often at around atmospheric temperature. The benefit was the same too - efficiency. It was remarkably successful and has obviously demonstrated that the idea has merit if the size and weight allows. Maybe we will continue to see such engines in heavy diesels like semi trucks where the size and weight is a small fraction of the total vehicle and trailer, where fuel costs are an important financial factor, and where high load constant RPM conditions make up a high proportion of usage. We have to hurry though, in a only a couple of years the multiple expansion piston engine will be 250 years old!
@b.j.880
@b.j.880 4 күн бұрын
D4A been really silent.
@nathangamble125
@nathangamble125 4 күн бұрын
I thought this might be a bot that copied someone else's comment because of the girl in the profile picture, but it actually seems to be real.
@olivialambert4124
@olivialambert4124 4 күн бұрын
@@nathangamble125 No, it's my own. I'm a physicist so I tend towards detail oriented comments. Plus I've obviously got an interest in engine technology and engineering in general.
@Appletank8
@Appletank8 4 күн бұрын
The thing is you can accomplish the same thing with a delayed intake valve closing without a custom engine block.
@cannaroe1213
@cannaroe1213 4 күн бұрын
Oh, and she's "detail orientated", great now I'm depressed
@Sergio_Loureiro
@Sergio_Loureiro 4 күн бұрын
"And let me know when ANY kind of propulsion technology manages to last 150 years, thank you very much." That is an easy one. The bicycle!
@billberg1264
@billberg1264 4 күн бұрын
Also, Wikipedia says the first electric vehicle was built in 1881, which makes EVs just 7 years short of their 150th birthday.
@ericvandenavond8748
@ericvandenavond8748 4 күн бұрын
Legs:
@davidalbeck811
@davidalbeck811 4 күн бұрын
Sails. Oars. Speaking of ocean-going propulstion, steam boilers started
@johnnyblue4799
@johnnyblue4799 4 күн бұрын
The mighty horse...
@2ndfloorsongs
@2ndfloorsongs 4 күн бұрын
The details vary on when you think commercial use started but electric motors and four-stroke engines have been used commercially for about the same amount of time. The future, as they say, is in the details.
@terrypitt-brooke8367
@terrypitt-brooke8367 4 күн бұрын
Fabulous as always! I'm thinking of an additional twist on the hybrid concept. Why not use a turbo to run a generator as an additional input to the electric side of the vehicle? That would surely squeeze another few percent of efficiency out of the system.
@pacolicious
@pacolicious Күн бұрын
Wauw. What a great episode again. Always waiting for next episode 🎉
@markedwards4879
@markedwards4879 4 күн бұрын
25:30 I wasn’t going to mention it but the electric motor was invented in the 1830s…. What has changed recently isn’t the motor as much as the batteries to store the energy and the power electronics to drive them more efficiently.
@nathangamble125
@nathangamble125 4 күн бұрын
Misleading. Brushed electric motors were invented in the 1830s, and are still common; but most electric cars use brushless motors, which were invented in the 1960s. The design of both batteries and motors (at least for the types of motors used in the majority of electric vehicles) have fundamentally changed since the 19th century, while the design of 4-stroke engines used in the majority of ICE vehicles has not (unless you count direct injection as a fundamental change, but that dates back to the 1920s so is still much older than brushless motors).
@jasonsmith4902
@jasonsmith4902 4 күн бұрын
The electric motor has seen some massive improvements like brushless designs, but the original design is still used in a lot of cases. The electric motor is FAR more versatile than combustion engines. But if I can I will usually choose a combustion engine over an electric motor.
@GewelReal
@GewelReal 4 күн бұрын
15:30* also electric engine didn't stay the same they changed even more than an ICE
@pbe6965
@pbe6965 4 күн бұрын
@@nathangamble125 brushed motors were not as common as we'd think, brushless is quite old as well and far more common in the industry, once we adopted alternative current as a standard it was cheaper and easier to produce synchronous brushless motors.
@fulconandroadcone9488
@fulconandroadcone9488 4 күн бұрын
@@nathangamble125 Commutator free asynchronous motor was invented 1887, that tech is also quite old it just so happens when they figured out the physics of it they could not quite make it happen with tech they had. What most electric cars happen to use is permanent magnet synchronous motor, you could not use that without DC to AC converters with variable frequency, which would say biggest hold back was electronics for currently used motor as it just so happens they wont start on there own and 100kW is no small amount. Not to mention and when talking about induction motors they are about 90% efficient, so the jump to synchronous motor at best is 10%. And brushed motor goes at 75%, so truly what has changed the most is batteries and electronics. Oh and don't forget all the improvements ICE got from electronics. And still to this day what holds electric cars back is batteries.
@HiwasseeRiver
@HiwasseeRiver 4 күн бұрын
35% sounds like a low efficiency, but the average power plant runs on the Rankine cycle and gets 30% - 35%. Most of the power used by EVs comes from Rankine cycle plant. The state of the art for proven heat engine performance is the combined cycle. Rankine cycle dates back to 1859, or 165 years ago. Coal plants, gas plants, nuclear plants and part of combined cycle plants are burning and churning out power with this tech. Also - I drive a 2021 Tacoma with a 6-cyl Atkinson engine. With the right tires and 100% gasoline I can get 26+mpg. As a side note - when engine stats are quoted I always wonder if the engines were fed 100% gasoline or ethanol contaminated gasoline.
@Appletank8
@Appletank8 4 күн бұрын
Toyota's new generation hybrids are getting around 40% these days
@johngreen1060
@johngreen1060 4 күн бұрын
This is a peak efficiency, only achievable at low RPMs and full throttle. This is one of 2 main reasons diesel engines are more efficient than petrol ones - they don't need a throttle and can instead reduce the amount of fuel being injected. Petrol engines cannot ignite a mix that is too lean, so they need some kind of air flow restriction.
@ego4551
@ego4551 3 күн бұрын
@@Appletank8 The one which made headlines with 41% were lab results. On the diesel side TDI do 43% in the lab, that was over 20 years ago, though.
@johnlovett8341
@johnlovett8341 Күн бұрын
Love this guy!!! The Verbund motor sounds like an analog to the double and even triple expansion steam engines (piston, 2 stroke). Exhaust steam from the small diameter, high pressure cylinder flows into a larger diameter, low pressure 2ndary cylinder. Of course, steam engines tend to be run at a rel constant speed.
@brianszymanski2971
@brianszymanski2971 4 күн бұрын
I like the content of this channel. Actually a new subscriber thanks for the education on different engines
@yash_kambli
@yash_kambli 4 күн бұрын
A Compressed air engine would be cool if ever produce. Air becomes cooler upon sudden reduction in pressure so air can be directly injected into the cylinder it will absorb the heat allowing high CR and lower emissions. Cold air is also more denser means less power required for compression. Turbocharger can be used to refill the air tank.
@billberg1264
@billberg1264 4 күн бұрын
-Isn't this more or less how adding nitrous oxide to an engine works?- Oh, I missed that part at the end about refilling it from the surrounding air.
@billberg1264
@billberg1264 4 күн бұрын
So you're basically using the turbo to push more air into the engine, except the air tank allows you to disconnect the timing of the two processes. I've heard of using a turbo to charge a battery, and then using the battery power to push more air into the engine. Kind of accomplishes the same thing.
@yash_kambli
@yash_kambli 4 күн бұрын
@@billberg1264 turbo increase power output but doesn't improve efficiency or emissions as CR must be lower down to avoid knocking. My solution is to add cold dense air which help to increase CR.
@transc3ndus
@transc3ndus 4 күн бұрын
I love your channel ... but can you please use a black or grey background? I'm watching this video in bed, and I'm absolutely blind.😅
@orapasc
@orapasc 11 сағат бұрын
Try the “reduce white point” setting in accessibility
@transc3ndus
@transc3ndus 10 сағат бұрын
@orapasc I'm watching from an android tablet with an oled screen. I don't have a reduced white point setting, but I do have the option extra dim on. Even like this, modern oled screens like mine also have a very low refresh rate in low lighting settings, which gives some people head akes and perturbs sleep. I dont have any of the symptoms, but even at the lowest lighting, I still find the background annoying. I think only Oneplus screens from the latest generation on tablet and flagship phones have a high refresh rate, which is said to help with low lighting watching comfort. Oneplus is a fairly common brand, but it's not Samsung or Apple. So their products are rare and have quirks to them(thats why I don't have any them). This is a simple issue that can be fixed in post while editing the video by changing the shade of the background.
@KCAATV
@KCAATV 3 күн бұрын
Using Sterling power's external combustion engine to capture the heat exhaust of an internal combustion engine worked for me when I used a Sterling linear alternator to capture the heat. It works on a single cylinder small engine.
@flyod26
@flyod26 4 күн бұрын
I really enjoy these videos and the commons sense way that you explain things. Thanks!
@Turboman_64
@Turboman_64 4 күн бұрын
There's no replacement for combustion. So long as there is no true evolution in other technologies (wich doesn't exist until companies see a real profit and even then they do the bare minimum and try to force it on the market, instead of making something usefull and effective) there will be nothing else to replace a running, reliable, efficient system. People always talk about how inefficient a combustion engine is pointing out heat loss, but they fail to mention that a 1.000kg car can travel 500-700 km before refueling for 2 minutes, while staying reliable in any weather conditions. Also people like to ignore the fact that combustion engines continue to become more efficient. For the moment being, any alternative to gasoline or diesel is simply a marketing gimmick of a fun, expensive, hobby-technology, that is not suited for real world daily use.
@rabiatorthegreat6163
@rabiatorthegreat6163 2 күн бұрын
Liked, because the video was very instructive while easy to understand. What I missed was a discussion of efficiency in terms of expansion ration, "time to work" is a bit vague.
@nedmilburn
@nedmilburn 3 күн бұрын
Love your accent and timbre while speaking. Love yourclear explanations. Love your humour. Please keep it up!
@matthewwalker9256
@matthewwalker9256 Күн бұрын
Similar to what Thomas Edison said, we didn’t fail to make an engine. We learned how not to make an engine. Every step for the last 150 years, whether proceeded or not has left us with very powerful engines at very reduced emissions in smaller sizes.
@cyrenecai
@cyrenecai Күн бұрын
I remember reading about this years ago when those articles you mentioned started going around, and I ended up coming to the same conclusions about low-load performance that you did. Efficiency wise, modern Atkinson cycle engines achieve roughly the same goals while allowing companies to use existing engine block designs, just increasing gross compression/expansion while redesigning the intake cam profile to hold the valve open during the first 1/4 of the upstroke to reduce net compression. Much easier and cheaper that way. I do think this type of design does have a couple advantages in terms of reduced parts count versus the standard four stroke engines of comparable size and cylinder count. The engine as built only has two fuel injectors, two spark plugs, and associated wiring/plumbing, versus three or four. The intake manifold only goes to two intake ports, and the exhaust is just a single pipe with no actual manifold needed. One thing the 5 stroke engine can do that I don't think Atkinson cycle engines can is run off of a carburetor; since carbs run entirely off of relative vacuum in the intake manifold, and Atkinson cycle engines push part of the intake charge back into the manifold, I'm led to think that the pressure pulse traveling back up the manifold would interfere with the operation of the carb, and thus the engine itself. I suppose where I'm going with this is that the niche for 5 stroke engines might be for moderately small generators - those all use carbs, tend to run at higher sustained loads, and would absolutely benefit from improved efficiency and the lower exhaust noise. Who's willing to invest the money, though?
@liquidkameleon
@liquidkameleon 2 күн бұрын
I watched this other video about compound turbines which were used to drive the crankshaft instead of compressing intake air and that sort of worked for piston aircraft engines for a short while. Having a turbine instead of that bulky 3rd cylinder probably decreases that loss of having an extra cylinder idling, although in those solutions they still had the crankshaft drive that turbine to keep it spinning under low loads.
@OldManRoo
@OldManRoo 4 күн бұрын
A fascinating and very well presented analysis of the 5 stroke! Thank you!😊
@ztoob8898
@ztoob8898 Күн бұрын
My first thought when I saw the cooler exhaust feature of the 5-stroke was: "Doesn't the exhaust *need* to be kind of hot?" And I wasn't wrong. We saw issues arise when gas heating appliances (water heaters, forced air systems) were made more efficient. Suddenly vent pipes needed to be stainless steel and have condensation capture/disposal systems because the flue temperatures were below dew point for the moist flue gasses.
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