You should merge all the average tracks together and make the most mid circuit of all time.

MEDIUM SPEED CORNERS

I love how your videos fill this odd void in me for statistic related f1 videos with little to no bearing on reality

Glad you introduced variance (or standard deviation) in the end. Saw that problem coming from quite early on, and then you mentioned Monza being mid after six categories.

I love how bro just apears out of nowhere out of the blue 💀

Mr V has been cooking lately

As a former data analyst I would suggest to take the distance from 12# as the metric and not the actual placement from 1# to 24#. That way you don't count tracks which are extreme in both diterctions as avarage. For example, if a track ranks #2 in shortest and #22 in most turns per km, I wouldn't call it an average track, and the new metric would give a distance of 10 and 10, a opposed to a track who gets #13 and #8 for example, would get a distance score of 1 and 4, which more accurately represents what I think you meant as "averageness".

9:07 bro that was quite personal 🥺

When I’m in a never running out of ideas competition and my opponent is Mr V

bro when spain appeared on the screen at 15:35 i heard a thunder right outside my house

Based on the information presented in the number of cornsers section, how about a video searching for the "Least Corneriest Corner" or the "Curviest Straight" That feels like the perfect pointless topic I'd love to watch a man explain his Excel sheet about for 30 minutes :)

"Medium Speed Corners" is this channel's iteration of SouthPawRacer's "2nd gear hairpin" 😅 Props to leaning into the "straight" joke as well!

I was preparing for the Excel madness where you would compare all the results of all the years of an f1 track against the final championship standings and see which ones the cars finish in the same order that they will finish in the championship.

For some reason, I feel like the only one who likes Barcelona as a track. That is from a driving point of view. I think sectors 1 and 2 are so fun to drive. And since they got rid of the chicane, sector 3 is also ok. Racing wasn't great of course though, I agree. But this and last year were good races with a lot of overtakes. To me the bad races of the past were more due to the cars, not due to the track.

new category: Ocon’s finishing position (per track)

But is this also Mr. v's most average video?

genuinely the best f1 youtuber out there. 17 minutes felt like 5 its so engaging. i think this type of content is just much more fun than hearing the same news from a million different sources

9:10 hardest I've laughed in a long time Mr. V

Imagine just doing all those work just to end up in Spain without the s

How much do you love Microsoft Excel? V: "yes"

14:45 made me really happy because this was my initial thought when you said you would use the average to determine 'averageness'. Another banger of a video!

the best way to define a straight in f1 is to assume, whether the given sector of the track can be approached with drs opened. You can't do that in Eau Rouge, but you certainly can do Baku last corners. stay with me now

One of the most interesting ones in Saudi Arabia, being the Windiest track, but also having the 2nd highest average speed. Goes to show just how fast the corners are at that track.

I know this is late, but instead of averaging the rankings in these categories you should have given points for how far you were from the average. For example, the 12th ranking in a category should get 1st place points and the 24th ranking in a category should get 12th place points. You can choose the points system.

Maybe its just video game nostalgia speaking, but I've always loved Cataluña precisely for its average-ness. It's a quintessential, downforce reliant racetrack, that in-game, is easy to understand and fun to drive. I don't mind that the racing isn't flashy, because I have an appreciation for the smoothness it takes to go fast, and for how impressive it is to pull those kinds of g's consistently, lap-in and lap-out.

Mr. V putting out bangers

Only youtuber to not answer his own question and still be more entertaining than all of sky sports f1 team.

I love that they test in Bahrain now, mainly because it has a similar mix of corners to Catalunya, but doesn't have the problem of being impossible to pass on. You can't really get good races at Catalunya when winter testing is there because you get too much data on a track that's too hard to pass on. At Bahrain we literally see overtakes on every angle through every corner.

Montmeló is a great track: turn 1 to 3, turn 9 and 10, the last 2 turns since the Tilke's shame chicane was removed, the elevation changes. Its really nice stuff

It's a shame you're not a nascar fan, i'd love to see all this besides the turns for it xD this was so fun!

Just gonna say your content is my absolute cup of tea. Keep em coming Mr. V!

The most interesting F1 content on KZfaq

I love your videos. You’re the only one that does these maths analyzations like you do. I’ve been subscribed from the beginning. Think you had maybe 500 at that point. Keep it up. You’re doing something different, which is important.

Gonna be the proud owner of a Car Go Vroom Vroom cap soon woop woop! Really like that your merch is very neutral looking, it all looks brilliant!

This is fire. Data/statistical literacy is really wuite hard to find so this channel has been a breath of fresh air. Always looking forward to the vids!

The two things I love the most, aka Excel and F1, coming together - this is awesome!

The unveiling of the track which was almost perfectly mid AND has the lowest variance was so funny 😂😂 I love your scripting so much, 10/10

Been wondering about this so great to see that you've made this video. Interesting

0:44 I sure do love medium speed corners

Love the video. This is the first video I have watched of yourself so hello! Thinking about the elevation stats it might be more indicative of performance to look at air density (air pressure and temperature ) rather than elevation as it is the reduction in air density that affects the power rather than elevation itself. But might be harder to find the stats as it's depended on weather on race weekend. Also might be thinking about temperature/track temperature for another stat. That would sit nicely into the model you have already implemented!

One of the most unique F1 channels out there, please make more videos like these!

You should've tested the correlation of the average result for each driver in each circuit excluding the circuit being tested with the results on that circuit, and see which circuit was the most representative of results in all tracks.

Mate, your channel is exactly what F1 fans interested in maths need since you apply it to…well, everything And I bloody love it!

love your stuff m8 keep 'er going!

So the most average F1 track was the friends we made along the way I guess ?

Really enjoyed watching this video 😅

Loved this! Race day temperature would have been useful.

I laughed out loud when you revealed it was Spain 🤣 Great video!

It might be interesting to compare each grand prix result to season results. Therefore if we count season results as average performance, we can determine track with most average results

The “bosh” at 9:17 😭

Great video! I'm a big fan of your videos and this is another great one. Thanks for making it! From your other videos I'm guessing you already know all this, but as a mathematician it'd be remiss of me not to point out that variance is the *only* measure you should be using here, not the average position. To find the most average track you want to find the one with the fewest extremes, because being extreme in different directions is almost the opposite of being average. This is especially compounded by some of the "which is 1 and which is 24" being subjective calls that have no bearing to each other - for example, "elevation" could easily be "proximity to sea level" and have the exact opposite order, and that wouldn't have any impact on whether a track has a shorter distance from the line to first corner, etc. It's also obviously worth pointing out that sample size is always going to be an issue here, because which track is the most average will change depending on the style of cars in play. Obviously a V8 to a V6 or whether or not a car is ground effect-driven isn't going to change the elevation of a track, but in terms of taking the fastest lap around each track, how easy it is to overtake and the like, some old data is just not relevant - but on the flipside, if you don't include the old data, there's not really enough data to make some of the points you're trying to make. I appreciate there's no good solution to that though, unless we want to convince the FIA to run each track 100 times with the same ruleset and weather conditions* in order to give us some reliable data. And given they didn't accept your perfectly cromulent suggestions for how to change Circuit de Barcelona Catalunya, they might be frustratingly inflexible on that point. *On the subject of weather, I'd have loved to see this included in the data - probability for wet races! Arguably a terrible metric since it'll depend on when in the calendar the race takes part (I say with the experience of someone who was at the British Grand Prix in the year 2000 when for some inexplicable reason it took place in April and, in an incredible plot twist, it rained). But still, if we're trying to find an average track, there's a clear distinction between a wet race and a dry one. Also on a related note, average number of safety cars could have been something to consider. Just some ideas in case you ever do a sequel to this video. Thanks again!

I'm glad I didn't comment halfway through the video. I was judging you all the way through for your methodology, until you pulled out the uno reverse and did what I wanted you to do! Only comment now is that I would have considered something like corner type rather than windiness (or looked for the variance in corner apex speeds assuming the data is available).

7:24 'Hello, I am under the water'

You deserve soooooo many more subscribers

I did play around with Catalunya in RTB, taking into consideration how much land they have, the elevation changes, grandstands, access to grandstands, escape roads, marshalling posts etc etc. The change they made are pretty much the only kind that you can do on short notice and without drastically changing the whole layout of the track. I did check the changes Mr V did and i disagree with most of them (the 1st corner idea is good, the rest... difficult to do , and they pretty much destroy the classic track without offering any aid to the actual problems...), the actual changes are still better when we take ALL the stuff that tracks need to consider when making changes. It is easy to just draw lines on google maps, you need to look at everything else but the track to understand why.. the changes made were really the only changes they could've made. A huge problem is the last two corners, the wall on the outside is so close to the lot edge that there simply is no way to move then any further. And the last corner IS UNSAFE!.. but only a little bit, probabilities are quite low for a major catastrophic accident but the danger is there. Accidents in that corner are going to lead to red flags but so far, we haven't really had any, as it is quite easy corner. But... it is just a tiny bit too fast. It is not the only corner in the calendar that is borderline, Eau Rouge has too much compression and Radillion has unfavorable trajectory that should push walls much further out, but there is a sheer 40m drop on he other side... and it is classic. But, if we were allowed to do anything... Catalunya could have 30m hill!... It could have massive elevation change leading to a downhill braking and form a real backstraight that is close to main straight in length. You would go from 7th and cut thru everything between it and T12. Then do snake esses after it and we back to the old track at the last corner which would be taken at around 200kmh. It would also shorten the pitstop time quite a bit, giving it more tactical opportunities. I made a mockup and tried it in a sim, and it is a hoot but of course, cost about 100 million and couple of years.

"have you considered that you might have a skill issue" bro roasted the f1 game community 😭😭

12:58 The 1964 Dutch Grand Prix had been won by Jim Clark, from p2 on the grid. Granted, you are probably only looking at the current track layout but still.

you are a maniac who's obsessed with data and statistics and i love that

Great video (idea). Started the video and thought about Baku.

Great video

you need to start publishing your data, I'd love to see full rankings

1:00 No one cheers when Australia is the season opener. Bad ass track.

I would love to see a video on average grid positions for champions in different categories, like f2 its probably 4th as the best starting position to take advantage in both races

Nice video. btw, instead of elevation you could also use average / median atmospheric pressure. It removes the different measurements while still giving a clear indication of the air density.

Another great video Mr. V, btw what does your logo represent? I've been wondering for a while now

Jerez was a brilliant pre season testing track.

mr V posted this on the 28th of June i.e. the very beginning of the Austria race weekend. At the end of the video he questioned and predicted whether Merc and Ferrari could start challenging for wins too; since that day, every grand prix that has occurred (Austria and Britain) has been won by a Merc! funny how that worked out

WHAT ARE THE OTHERS WITH LOW VARIANCE CLOSE TO MID? We gotta know which tracks can be the new average

Never expected Ricky Gervais to cover F1

I can’t stop thinking about how the 1999 Mercedes CLR does backflips at high speeds tbh

Great video just one minor thing: if one the benefits of finding the most average track is to see if your car would perform well on it, what does attendance and ticket price have anything to do with that?

We will need an update for Las Vegas winning grid position after more races. It will be fun however if the average didn't chance much or at all.

I really love the way it is not a street track

Bendieness, my fav F1 terminology

Turn 2 in Austria IS a generous corner. They just didn't take the same liberties between 3 and 4.

I'd love to see this experiment but instead of using a rank for each variable and each track, you'd use a z-score of the value of each variable.

Was expecting number of overtakes per race hehe

The “conclusion” made me laugh so hard

The nerd in me absolutely loved this

Some of the weather aspects: - average temperature (preferably broken down in both track temperature and air temperature) - precipitation - wind speed Probably Barcelona would still be the most mid though after taking those into account

in conclusion, if there were a track that was the 2021 alpine livery, it'd be the best one

YESSSSSSS THE MADNESS IS BACK LETS GOOOOOO, Always love a "we're gonna do all of them, baby" your efforts and dedication inspire me to try harder, Keep it up big guy ! Edit: I love the water splash transition, its toooo good

13:50 I would like to say that in 2021 the pole sitter didn’t even start the race and Verstappen started from the p1 grid slot. Not that it changes anything

You could give 12 points to p12 and p13, 11 to p11 and p14, 10 to p10 and p15... Until 1 point to p1 and p24

For the windiness stat to be more accurate (at imola for examlpe) you could change it to total direction change over a lap (in degrees - absolute, otherwise it would always be 360°). or total direction change per kilometer. Thanks for another great video! I enjoyed it alot.

On the ticket prices and travel point. It was (substantially) cheaper for me to go to Hungary and stay in a nice hotel with a great spot to watch than it was to go to Silverstone and camp and sit on a grassy verge to have a slight glimpes of cars and absolutely no chance of seeing an overtakes.

But is this the most average video about F1? No, it's an absolute banger!

5:32 Amazing… 😂

Barcelona WAS pretty easily the most average prelayout engoodening. Much slower hairpin and the chicane really helped balance it out to that performance averaging aspect IMO. Also it's high deg but not bahrain, qatar, or hungary level

You should have made the first and last in each category have the same score (and the same with second and second to last and so on) so that a track that had a first and a last wouldn't have a higher score than a track that got 12th twice.

5:14 Well the turn 2 in Red Bull ring is... also generous to call it a corner I think

Austria already does that. I count eight, nine if they pay me. The second one is the one that is the first corner after T1, the one up the hill, not the slightly wonky straight. The next one after that is the one after the second straight. I could look over that straight and say the right hander after that is turn four (tho it isn't). What I don't understand is how they end up on 10. It's either 8 or 14. 10 means they count some wonky straights as corner while others that are just as much slightly not perfectly straight not. Im not upset or anything, but I really like to ask the person who came up with that number how and why. They either are very wise and can teach me their ways or utterly stupid and I can make them count things badly, for my entertainment. (Or they are French and wanted a more metric and decimal GP) I love your channel because it makes me look at the map of spielberg for 20 min, shaking my fist at it in frustration, while reflecting on the meaning of words like "ten" or "corner", "turn" even. You're like the magic mushrooms of F1 videos.

Maybe using absolute distance to the mean would have solved the baku issue? Cool video regardless!

5:33 brilliant lol

Every video slaps

another stat that could have been included: the average number of on-track overtakes per race

The reason Baku doesn't have the highest top speed is purely down to the setup of the cars. Because of sector 2, they can't use Monza-level front and rear wing planes. It's no question that they could be much faster than Monza by the time they reach turn 10, but they'd lose so much time in sector 2 that it's not worth it. Also adding that the main reason pole wins in Monaco less than half the last 10 years is because something happens to the polesitter that's out of their control. Lewis 2015, Danny 2016, Leclerc 2021 (though it was kind of his fault), Leclerc 2022. If it wasn't for that, the only time in the last 10 years the polesitter lost would have been 2017 when Vettel was just simply faster during the Ferrari pit window

Brilliant Saudi windiness joke 👏🏻

Where is Vegas on the longest straight? What did I miss? I need spreadsheets, this video is great.

i would have done it by counting each corner type on a track and do an average from this. So in the end it will be the most average driving experience witch is the main factor.