Top 10 Exact Moments We Fell Out of Love with a TV Character

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And just like that, we fell out of love with these TV characters. Welcome to MsMojo, and today we’re counting down our picks for the most unforgivable moments and actions of beloved TV characters that made audiences give up on them completely. Our countdown includes "Friends," "Gilmore Girls," "The Office," and more! What TV moment completely destroyed a character for YOU? Tell us in the comments!
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@MsMojo
@MsMojo Ай бұрын
What TV moment completely destroyed a character for YOU? Let us know below, and check out our video of the Top 10 TV Characters Who Were Denied Their Happy Ending - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eNSTasqCtdSue4E.html
@NaticzkaKaminskaHenryDolphin
@NaticzkaKaminskaHenryDolphin Ай бұрын
Rachel should be number 1 here, on this list! She was an awful human being, just as Hugh Laurie's character on the plane said in the famous scene. Ross NEVER cheated on her and always loved her, but all Rachel did was play with his feelings and heart. First, she couldn't forgive him even tho he didn't do anything wrong - she did break up with him, period. And then she insulted, and ruined Julie, Bonnie, Emily, and the girl from the shop, she had the same modus operandi when it came to hurting all of Ross's girlfriends, so throwing ugly slurs at them behind their back, manipulating Ross so his relationship with them would fall apart, ruin their hair/appearance, and literally kiss and go after Ross when he was with them! She was the one who started to flirt with Ross at the beach house when Ross was with Bonnie, and she didn't care at all that Ross had a girlfriend, the same was with Julie - Rachel kissed Ross when he was Julie, so you can all miss me with your crying about 'poor Rachel' when she was supposedly 'cheated on' (no, she wasn't; again - she broke up with Ross before he got drunk and slept with Chloe). Rachel was the one who didn't care if she destroyed other people's relationships for her own selfish reasons, she didn't care if the guy cheated on other women with her, so why she is constantly presented as the victim? She wasn't. She ran after Ross all the time, sabotaging all his other relationships, then she rejected him, and she repeated this process over and over, she just played with his heart 24/7!! She constantly lied - like when she blamed the Vegas wedding on Ross, yet only at the end when Ross brought her divorce papers, she admitted it was all her idea and she wasn't that drunk then. Yet she attacked Ross earlier because of this marriage 24/7, and she didn't say a word it was literally her idea in the finest place! She constantly mocked and attacked Ross, his job, and his love life, she NEVER took responsibility for her awful acts and faults! Rachel was a selfish, spoiled, manipulative, hypocritical narcissist and eternally immature, spoiled, rich daddy girl, and human with an ugly soul, period!
@CatoNumbla
@CatoNumbla Ай бұрын
Rachel was the most toxic, manipulative, cruel, and selfish female character ever on TV, she beats Carrie by 1000000000000000000000 points! I love (sarcasm) how Rachel fans, this channel included, especially Rachel's female feminist fans, every time, fail to address how absolutely awful Rachel was to all the other women on the show, mostly Ross' other girlfriends, but also Monica and Phoebe at times (like when she never cared to clean the apartment and leave all work to Monica, was incredibly selfish and always stole Monica's moments because she just couldn't share the spotlight with anyone). She should be number 1 here.
@imogensullivan2210
@imogensullivan2210 Ай бұрын
Octavia slapping lincoln and lecturing him on his own culture when he was going through withdrawls. Oh, and beating up bellamy
@claremcnamara1143
@claremcnamara1143 Ай бұрын
I loved Tony Soprano right up to the time he had Adriana killed. I despised him from then
@BrittLewis-rj7dp
@BrittLewis-rj7dp Ай бұрын
# 3 , Buffy the Vampire Slayer ... I LOVE how she called Her Spike's Slayer ( His Slayer ) . 💜🖤💜🖤💜🖤
@JMwhocares
@JMwhocares Ай бұрын
Carrie was terrible from the beginning but the moment I started hating her was when she cheated with Big, not when she broke up with Aiden.
@jzwalz51robin45
@jzwalz51robin45 Ай бұрын
"You have to forgive me."..... the worst!
@vivevers3357
@vivevers3357 Ай бұрын
SJP not the best actress in the world
@emilyhoward998
@emilyhoward998 Ай бұрын
Mine was when she abandoned Miranda after her eye surgery
@lilvic812
@lilvic812 Ай бұрын
Carrie was always selfish... So annoying. My favorite was always Samantha 😁
@YtuMamaTambien22
@YtuMamaTambien22 Ай бұрын
Carrie is A CAUTIONARY TALE- she’s not perfect, she’s selfish and insecure. All of the girls have something wrong in them… that’s why the show worked; nobody wants to see a boring good girl.
@rosa182
@rosa182 Ай бұрын
We were never in love with Carrie, she was the absolute WORST. Cheating on Aiden while he was fixing her house, judging Samantha constantly, sending Aiden over to help Miranda then just talking about herself when she visits her with dry bagels and no cream cheese, and finally having the audacity to get angry at Charlotte for not immediately lending her money. Such a shitty, self centred person. Loved all the other characters though...
@HeronCoyote1234
@HeronCoyote1234 Ай бұрын
I agree! Hated Carrie, not a fan of SJP.
@saf2127
@saf2127 29 күн бұрын
I could never get into SatC because I really dislike all 4 main characters (although Carrie was definitely the wooooorst). I guess the one benefit is that she and Big were both equally abhorrent, so by being involved with each other, they were preventing 2 other innocent souls from all of that abhorrent-ness.
@athenacrowne9103
@athenacrowne9103 28 күн бұрын
I agree, I never identified with Carrie at all. I am something of a cross between Samantha and Charlotte. Carrie always seemed so irresponsible and clueless to me. She never had her shit together. In fact she is something like Anna Karenina or Scarlett O'hara. Flighty, self absorbed and completely annoying. I cheered when Anna killed herself because she FINALLY committed to something.
@sandrathompson8894
@sandrathompson8894 25 күн бұрын
@@athenacrowne9103 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@chipcook5346
@chipcook5346 15 күн бұрын
@@saf2127 Correct. They are terrible people.
@yourenotmysupervisor9311
@yourenotmysupervisor9311 Ай бұрын
Rory in Gilmore Girls was always a brat with a superiority complex. She treated Dean like crap and was flirty with Tristan while she dated Dean. Then flirted with Jess while dating Dean. Slept with Dean, while he was married, and tried to act like it was fine because she dated him first. Tried to use Jess to get back at Logan. And let’s not forget the Netflix movie where she couldn’t even remember her boyfriend and was screwing an engaged Logan. Rory was never actually a good person.
@KS-xk2so
@KS-xk2so Ай бұрын
Yeah Rory really did end up a complete piece of shit. The last couple seasons really seemed to be oddly focused on destroying characters and making sure none of them ended up happy..... like holy fuck, couldn't you just let Luke and Lorelai be together and enjoy their lives? Even the movie still felt the need to shake them up... that movie sucked entire oceans worth of ass.
@allana-sarahbenjamin7123
@allana-sarahbenjamin7123 Ай бұрын
Lorelei called Rory out for kissing Dean when he got married. Rory said something to her mom about how she had him first & kept thinking "girl, you dragged two other guys along while you were dating him. He belongs to someone else!!" She made the list of hated tv characters.
@Naruto0s44
@Naruto0s44 Ай бұрын
Agreed omg
@hotshot104
@hotshot104 Ай бұрын
Dude the follow up season really drove home the everyone gets to be miserable story drive. Except Paris. Paris ended up doing pretty great for herself.
@enelmartodoesfelicidad
@enelmartodoesfelicidad Ай бұрын
Agreed, i Love Gilmore Girls, but Rory was totally brat
@livvyb3583
@livvyb3583 Ай бұрын
I actually liked Stannis Baratheon until he allowed his daughter to be burned alive at the stake on Game of Thrones! The most tragic scene ever!
@divinelangene6813
@divinelangene6813 Ай бұрын
True, he didn't seem that bad, then Shireen happened
@elinesvendsen8046
@elinesvendsen8046 Ай бұрын
Agree. I literally could not watch it. Had to close my eyes. It was heartbreaking.
@lisamelroy2855
@lisamelroy2855 Ай бұрын
​@@elinesvendsen8046Sadly, I couldn't close my ears!
@djmikio
@djmikio 19 күн бұрын
For whatever reason I handled the Red Wedding way better than Shireen's death. Parental betrayal is the worst human act possible.
@corgeousgeorge
@corgeousgeorge 14 күн бұрын
@@djmikio that's the reason. You just said it.
@wanderer7956
@wanderer7956 Ай бұрын
Alex leaving Jo via letter didn't make me hate Alex, it made me hate the showrunners for ruining 15 seasons of great character development. I was already struggling to keep watching the show at that point, but the crappy way they handled Justin Chamber's departure made up my mind.
@DPStefka
@DPStefka Ай бұрын
Yes! Death would have been much better. Or at least if katherine heigl threatened him and he would have to make a decision.
@usmcholmans
@usmcholmans Ай бұрын
Absolutely. 15 years of character growth & development destroyed by a horrid "I'm leaving the show, write the worst out you can pull out of your azz" jerk move.
@BTA08
@BTA08 Ай бұрын
Comment on point.
@bebeeblue
@bebeeblue Ай бұрын
I agree, they really screwed this up, it made absolutely no sense. I understand that they did not want to kill him off, but they could have just come up with some better and more believable ending for him.
@everyonelovesdee
@everyonelovesdee Ай бұрын
@@bebeeblue I had stopped watching Grey's when Yang left, but a friend still watched it and kept me up to date. When she told me what they did with Alex, only seeing now they included secret twins in the mix, I was like dude just kill him off, you have no bother doing that to other characters before.
@enternickname
@enternickname Ай бұрын
Deb falling in love with Dexter was even weirder knowing that the actors had been married and were divorced by that point. So not only did they have a sister falling in love with her brother, they had a woman pretend to be in love with her ex-husband.
@NatalieMarie917
@NatalieMarie917 Ай бұрын
It would have been way worse if they had to film actual romance scenes 😅
@migmit
@migmit Ай бұрын
I still don't get it. They are not biological siblings.
@Kameronwatson60
@Kameronwatson60 Ай бұрын
@@migmitthey were literally brought up as siblings and raised as ones that is basically incest
@migmit
@migmit Ай бұрын
@@Kameronwatson60 To me it's about as close as kids from neighboring houses, who always play together.
@crystalshaw8744
@crystalshaw8744 Ай бұрын
I didn't know they were married...ewwwww
@trinaq
@trinaq Ай бұрын
Mitchum may have been a jerk when he told Rory that she didn't have what it takes to be a serious journalist, but by the sequel series, he turned out to be completely right.
@je23508
@je23508 Ай бұрын
Unfortunately. I had hoped he was wrong and Rory would work hard on her dream career.
@katinkaraab1964
@katinkaraab1964 Ай бұрын
Here is the thing, it doesn't matter whether he's right or wrong. It was ONE person during an Internship that told her this. ONE. You don't switch career because of one persons opinion. Dream or not. She had already sunken so much Money and time in it and just quit because of one Person.
@user-jt7or8ps9m
@user-jt7or8ps9m Ай бұрын
I was disappointed that she turned up her nose at a teaching position at Chilton. (Full disclosure: I am a teacher.) I always thought she would have been a great academic.
@mSeve295
@mSeve295 Ай бұрын
⁠@@user-jt7or8ps9mShe acted as if teaching at a prestigious private school was beneath her. Which is ridiculous.
@cbushin
@cbushin Ай бұрын
He was the first person not to be impressed by her pile of books and admire how super smart she was. She was unprepared.
@trinaq
@trinaq Ай бұрын
Watching the infamous "Buffy" scene while knowing that even James Marsters felt that it was out of character for Spike to force himself on Buffy, kind of softens the blow a little.
@jkrfan7
@jkrfan7 Ай бұрын
He hated filming that scene. Like to this day, he has trouble talking about it. He even had a clause added to his actors contract, saying he wouldn’t play rapists
@KS-xk2so
@KS-xk2so Ай бұрын
Acting can be a tough gig some times.... some stories that are worth telling unfornately mean a decent person has to act in a pretty disgusting way... whether its racism, sexism, assault, etc.... its a struggle for some performers. Especially when certain morons can then not seperate those actors from the performance. Keefer Sutherland has talked before about certain fans treating him like trash because of a character he played.
@melissaperez5370
@melissaperez5370 Ай бұрын
What makes it harder to watch was that it felt out of character for spike after all he had done for Buffy in Season 5/6 to the point where even Buffy trusted him with Dawn's life. Thankfully he redeemed himself in the end
@migmit
@migmit Ай бұрын
Um... no, it was completely in character, and a logical conclusion of their incredibly abusive relationship in season 6.
@katinkaraab1964
@katinkaraab1964 Ай бұрын
Thank you, yes I hated watching it as much as everybody else but it made sense.
@hotshot104
@hotshot104 Ай бұрын
Fiona was expected to raise her siblings her whole life up til that point she did as good as she could. Her having a break down that whole season and spiraling into the same dark areas she often pulled her family out of. It just made me feel bad for her. The fact no one in her family seemed to stop and realize she needed help this time just made me mad. Like I know they don’t straight out express they care but the things they always end up doing for each other lets you know and Fiona did a lot more than she had too. Idk it irks me they did her dirty like that after everything she did for them they just left her to drown
@Kay-ev2yh
@Kay-ev2yh 29 күн бұрын
Yes!
@wolfgangritter9277
@wolfgangritter9277 29 күн бұрын
Exactly. She doesn't belong to this list. She has been put into a parents role, which is abuse in itself. How was she supposed to deal with all that shit her useless father and her siblings put up upon her? I only felt sorry for her.
@dharris2005
@dharris2005 29 күн бұрын
I agree. If anything Debbie should have been on the list not Fiona. She went from being a sweet little girl who was smart and reasonable. Helping her family and being dependable to Fiona to a self serving selfish brat. I had hopes when she had Franny she would have matured but she got worst.
@ElsaT7579
@ElsaT7579 26 күн бұрын
I agree! They did her so dirty, and she really only tried her best. F**k Debbie, she was the worst for me.
@maureendavis9257
@maureendavis9257 25 күн бұрын
​@@dharris2005 omg you literally sound like those people that think everyone had plastic surgery because they grew up and don't look 14 anymore. Was she supposed to stay a pre teen girl in her script when she was a teenage girl. Have you ever met a teenage girl because they are rotten to the core. She lost portion of her foot later on so I'm sure that made you feel a lot better about a fictional character getting karma for being a teen.
@greeeneyes91
@greeeneyes91 Ай бұрын
Rory lost all sympathy when she slept with Dean while he was married .. and then when she started it with Jess
@HRHDMKYT
@HRHDMKYT 29 күн бұрын
Gilmore Girls: Yes. Bur for me, it was when Rory missed Lorelei’s community college graduation to go to NYC and hung around with Jess all day, making her late. The height of carelessness and thoughtlessness towards a mother who only ever applauded every success her daughter had.
@cloverite
@cloverite 28 күн бұрын
Having rewatched the show, Dean is one bug red flag. Selfish and obsessive, not to mention sexist.
@vera98upr
@vera98upr 28 күн бұрын
@@HRHDMKYT that was the first big disappointment. She also left the gift at the bus. Men and her ego always took the best of her.
@destinychild4659
@destinychild4659 27 күн бұрын
​@@HRHDMKYTShe was crazy in love. 😂
@lemiabodden7717
@lemiabodden7717 13 күн бұрын
@@HRHDMKYT I absolutely HATED that. Like, for that punk you missed your mother's graduation?!?! NOPE.
@kristinebautz1859
@kristinebautz1859 29 күн бұрын
I'm one of the rare people who defend the Spike attacking Buffy scene. While I hate watching it and shake afterwards if I do, I get the motive behind it and it does make sense for Spike's character. 1. Spike and Buffy always had a toxic and abusive relationship. Look at the episode where the building crumbles around them as a symbol for what they were. Destructive. 2. While it's played for laughs, Spike has always associated love and sex with violence. When he's human and hurt by Cecily's rejection of his love, Drusilla seduces him and bites/kills him with him misunderstanding that she was grooming him. He also said that "if I want Drusilla back, I have to be the man she fell in love with. I'll find her wherever she is, tie her up, torture her until she likes me again". Plus his version of proving his love for Buffy was staking Drusilla. He also was an abusive ass to Harmony, but everyone who claims to be a fan seems to forget that. 3. Again, played up for laughs, but Buffy also in her own way assaulted Spike. When she was invisible, she breaks into his home and they sleep together. Now when he gets upset with her about this being the only way he can have her fully, she pleasures him after him telling her to get out and get out of his life. Again, it's more played up for laughs so it feels like "hey this is ok" but in reality he didn't give consent on that and she didn't respect his wishes to leave. So while it hurts to see him behave that way, he's looking at this moment as she just needs to remember how we are when we are "together". Her resisting is always typical in their relationship so he thinks she's just playing hard to get. The reason why I was able to forgive him after was because you see that he's not there when she screams and when she pushes him off her, he looks so shook and devastated at what he did. He realizes the monster he is and that's why he goes to get his soul, he hates the monster he's become. It's insanely disturbing but a great character arch that I wish more people would give a second look at, including James.
@OwlBard
@OwlBard Ай бұрын
Carrie going ' I can't marry you to make you trust me' is pretty funny, considering that's pretty much why she married Big.
@melmc9672
@melmc9672 23 күн бұрын
If you think THAT ,you have no idea what even happened
@stephdiaz5363
@stephdiaz5363 17 күн бұрын
@@melmc9672 Well, what do you think happened? She didn't want to get married to Big, then didn't want to wear an engagement ring. She goes off with the girls, kisses Aidan, confesses to Big on the phone from half the world away, and when she gets home Big basically says "You're going to marry me and you'll wear an engagement ring." Diamond black as her soul, remember?
@shutitok
@shutitok 14 күн бұрын
⁠@@stephdiaz5363It’s funny how the Carrie haters can never keep the storyline straight. She was already married to Big in the second movie where he gives her the black diamond ring at the end. I repeat, they were already married. They get married at the end of the first movie. So it didn’t go down the way you claim.
@stephdiaz5363
@stephdiaz5363 13 күн бұрын
@@shutitokWho cares? She was a leech. I repeat: she was a leech. Refute that fact.
@tiffprendergast4925
@tiffprendergast4925 9 күн бұрын
@@shutitokyup
@reyfan011
@reyfan011 Ай бұрын
The Ross/rachel ‘on a break’ debate for me is hard cuz I see both sides. Rachel called it a break, and I can get how that would sound like breakup to someone. So I get that Ross thought they were broken up, and the added touch of hearing mark on the phone when talking to Rachel pushed him over and he slept with someone. But like Rachel argued, he didn’t waste time sleeping with someone else after they supposedly broke up. Whether or not they were a couple when it happened, Ross still looks bad. Either he cheated on his girlfriend, or he moved on and slept with someone else after breaking up with his girlfriend in such a short time. Instead of harping on whether or not it was cheating, he should acknowledge how he hurt Rachel and own up to it. After a while, saying ‘we were on a break’ sounds more like an excuse cuz sleeping with a random girl a couple hours after you ‘broke up’ with ur girlfriend, makes it seem like u didn’t care that much about the relationship.
@KS-xk2so
@KS-xk2so Ай бұрын
I mean, yeah its super fast to be "moving on" but if he thinks Rachel is getting plowed by Mark that very night, it kind of makes sense he'd get hammered and go looking to do the same thing. Ross even makes that point to her when she says he "had a hell of a time at the wake". Ultimately the whole thing is caused by Ross' insane jealousy issues stemming from Carol cheating on him and from Rachel deciding her new job was much more important than her relationship. Honest communication could've solved it all before anything happened, but this is TV lol
@jp3813
@jp3813 Ай бұрын
If Ross truly believed that being on a break is valid to go hook up w/ someone else, then there'd be no need for him to go around trying to cover it all up. Yes, Joey & Chandler were bad influences and he claimed that he was gonna tell her the truth down the line, but all that just confirms that he knew what he did was inexcusable. Otherwise, he would've just faced Rachel and said "Look, I thought you were hooking up w/ Mark so I hooked up w/ this girl while we were on a break".
@Vintage_Izy
@Vintage_Izy Ай бұрын
For me, I didn’t see Rachel declaring it a break. She said “maybe we should take a break” and he just said fine and hung up. It wasn’t even an actual break and it wouldn’t have happened anyway if Ross hadn’t been so insecure. Rachel was fine when she was a crappy waitress but the moment she started having a career that made her happy, he hated it. Even when Mark wasn’t around, he would act like her job was a joke or no big deal. It was very disrespectful even before the irrational jealousy kicked into full gear. I was so pissed at her for giving up Paris for him because that was her dream job and she gave it up for a guy who would never appreciate the sacrifice she made.
@jp3813
@jp3813 Ай бұрын
@@Vintage_Izy Ross also tried to gaslight Rachel by saying that she's the one who bailed and didn't fight for their relationship. As if he didn't do the same by immediately walking out after she said that they needed a break and him apparently thinking that their relationship was dead.
@signalfire15
@signalfire15 Ай бұрын
@@Vintage_IzyThis is actually not true. The next morning Rachel says “can I be your girlfriend again” when she met Ross at his apartment so the implication is that they were indeed broken up at that time.
@thomasbrugger8668
@thomasbrugger8668 Ай бұрын
They could have an entire show without Carrie and no one would notice.
@prtdiva
@prtdiva 29 күн бұрын
That’s a reach 😂
@maddart4445
@maddart4445 29 күн бұрын
Well they’d notice it would be a better show.
@snowfish3333
@snowfish3333 28 күн бұрын
Woulda been better
@kacanghijau166
@kacanghijau166 Ай бұрын
Carrie broke up with big because he has commitment issues and doesn't want to get married again after disgusting divorce. But when Aidan wants to marry her, she suddenly anti marriage. Lmao
@kendracozier7478
@kendracozier7478 Ай бұрын
THIS
@FishareFriendsNotFood972
@FishareFriendsNotFood972 Ай бұрын
Well, we all want to marry some people and not marry others, right (assuming you want to marry at all)? I think it would look hypocritical if she chased commitment with Big, but then when Big proposed she gets cold feet. That's not what happened. Being 100% in on one person and not quite sure with a different person would be true for everybody, I feel. I'm uncomfortable with how much people beat Carrie up for not wanting to marry Aiden. I've certainly loved people deeply but not wanted to marry them, it's tough but understandable, and I feel like a lot of the hate she gets for that is because of her gender, like how dare a woman turn down a man she loves who wants to marry her.
@saramathurasingh9285
@saramathurasingh9285 Ай бұрын
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 i agree! Just because she loved him, doesn't mean she wanted to marry him. She did want to marry Big though. Why do people hate her for that?
@FishareFriendsNotFood972
@FishareFriendsNotFood972 Ай бұрын
@@saramathurasingh9285 Thank you! I think a lot of the hate really is people demanding all women have a beggar's mentality and just accept a man as long as he wants to commit. It's basically saying, 'if you turn down the nice guy, you deserve to get punished by the bad guys'. UGH. I feel like it has become trendy to really trash talk Carrie on the internet with newer SATC fans, but I found her sometimes messy decisions and complicated motivations to humanize her and make her sympathetic to me. Live long enough, and we all become the heartbreakers to some and the heartbroken to others. It's painful, but it's life!
@Mikki220
@Mikki220 Ай бұрын
Aiden was NOT the one. Not for her. Maybe for some of the fans. Not for Carrie.
@mortimerbrewster3671
@mortimerbrewster3671 Ай бұрын
I had disliked Gilmore Girls (the show and the two women) before the original airing ended but when they came back for the four episode reunion, the cute banter and progression of the characters made me go back to the original show and realize that Loralei and Rory were ALWAYS selfish, horrible characters. They were played off as cutesy and fun but no one in their right mind would want to date them or be friends with people like them.
@aislingrvr
@aislingrvr Ай бұрын
Totally agree. Rory gets a lot of hate but Lorelai deserves just as much. She was incredibly irritating, immature & selfish, as well as bringing up Rory to believe that they were both special & superior. Every time I watch the series I can't stand either of them, it's the other characters that make the show.
@tjrothausen
@tjrothausen 29 күн бұрын
Thank you. I never got the appeal!
@HRHDMKYT
@HRHDMKYT 29 күн бұрын
Exactly. She took advantage of Suki all the time, I never got why she’d be friends with selfish Lorelei at all.
@jasonmims5057
@jasonmims5057 27 күн бұрын
Yes. I see a lot of comments about Rory but but pretty much everyone on that show had a sour side to them. Lorelai was a very irritating person and was incompetent, Luke had anger issues and needed therapy, Jess had anger issues and had had no common decency and needed therapy just like luke. lorelais parents were just snobby rich people, Rorys dad Christopher was a deadbeat dad that try to help loreali raise her. Paris was a spoiled brat, how Suki and Jackson became a couple was stupid and borderline toxic casuse Suki was critize the food he delivered to her. Even Dean was self absorbed at times, Lanes mom perpetuauated Asian stereotypes. That show was not as cute as people think. It's was a toxicity fest.
@Jennilynne
@Jennilynne 11 күн бұрын
It ended up being a show I mostly rewatch for the side characters lol
@melanievonbose762
@melanievonbose762 Ай бұрын
I always wondered who Justin Chambers offended to have such a horrible write-off. Even Derek got to leave a hero. But undoing all of Alex's character growth? Absolutely horrible. He deserved better.
@Meredith.M
@Meredith.M Ай бұрын
I swear, honestly if that's all they could come up with they were better off killing Alex off.
@Mia_M
@Mia_M Ай бұрын
I think it's more about how he left than anything. He was just like I'm not coming back right before they were supposed to come back after the winter break.
@natabelova6615
@natabelova6615 Ай бұрын
totaly agree. Same thing about Danerys/
@BTA08
@BTA08 Ай бұрын
​@@Mia_MThat might be but us the fans deserved better.
@TeamPaul17
@TeamPaul17 Ай бұрын
@@natabelova6615 I think that in both cases, the writers already had their storylines plotted out, and just didn't have the time to adjust. I remember finding out about Chambers' exit--it was right in the middle of a season. While I hadn't seen the show in years, I remember how much Alex had grown. To hear that he left Jo via a Dear Jane letter? Like, come again? I assumed that Chambers left on such short notice that they couldn't really write him out another way, other than killing him off (like they did about 20 other characters). As for Danerys, if the plot of the show was running out of time relative to the books, couldn't the writers have just worked with the author on a simplified framework on how the series should have ended? Taken the time to wrap things up in a more satisfying way? If that meant delaying the last season, breaking it up into two parts, or, well, ANYTHING other that what they gave the fans that had invested years into the series, its legacy wouldn't have taken the hit that it did.
@williamsekely1476
@williamsekely1476 Ай бұрын
Joss Whedon always had it out for the popularity of Spike. He even verbally threatened Marsters's job on set. While the scene in question was a powerful depiction of real life horror in a series full of fantasy, it was also a hit job on a character that the fans had come to adore.
@tmarofvulcan
@tmarofvulcan Ай бұрын
I really find it hard to watch Buffy and Angel now, since I found out that Joss Whedon is an arsehole. He also ruined Cordelia and got her out of the show. Because she got pregnant? With her husband's baby? What the heck man?!! They wrote it in anyway, so she could have stayed. While I liked season 5, Whedon's refusal to allow any character to be happy, ever, just annoyed me.
@roonarific1086
@roonarific1086 Ай бұрын
Phoebe Haliwell would've been on the list for me. The season four Charmed finale when, after months of fighting an internal battle with the Source inside his own body to protect her (a fight that helped keep the Charmed Ones alive), Phoebe straight up abandons Cole in limbo. Then proceeds in season 5 to treat him like the devil incarnate.
@simplesim17
@simplesim17 Ай бұрын
This!!! She was the WORST when that man had the literal source of all evil in his body and he SURVIVED.
@BrittLewis-rj7dp
@BrittLewis-rj7dp 29 күн бұрын
YES ... I HATED her for that. ... "No Body Hurts His Pumpkin" 😢. He still LOVED her. Yelling at the TV helps , a Little bit . Still Mad
@samc.319
@samc.319 29 күн бұрын
I'm watching Charmed on TV since a couple of days. Recently I saw again the episodes of and following the death of Prue. Phoebe's grieving in these episodes is a fucking joke.
@elizabeths.3634
@elizabeths.3634 20 күн бұрын
Yep, Phoebe is the very first one that comes to mind for me. I couldn't stand her in season 5 and beyond.
@pamelagonzalez8947
@pamelagonzalez8947 19 күн бұрын
THANK YOU! I’ve always thought the same. Phoebe wouldn’t last a second trying to control “The Source” in her body, and the only reason why Cole had The Source in the first place was to save her.
@donnahaynes138
@donnahaynes138 Ай бұрын
Controversial opinion: on Grey's Anatomy I lost all respect for Arizona Robbins when she cheated on Callie Torres in the middle of a storm
@ideasmithy
@ideasmithy 15 күн бұрын
She was awful! "I'm all sweetness and light because I'm such a great pediatrician" right around a heartbroken Callie who was just recovering from being cheated on by her husband and Izzie. Then she has an accident and blames Callie for amputating her leg. And then goes and cheats on her. What an absolute wreck.
@InFondRemembrance
@InFondRemembrance 28 күн бұрын
I stopped watching The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel after she used Shy Baldwin as a punchline at his own show. She had earlier in the season seen firsthand the physical danger he was in as a black, gay man in 1960's America, and still decided it was okay to out him onstage as part of her standup routine.
@worldadventuretravel
@worldadventuretravel 14 күн бұрын
YESSSS! I watched the rest of the series anyway in the hope something redeeming would happen, but it just got worse and worse. Then the last season is like every episode was written by a different set of high schoolers doing an essay contest only none of them consult the writers from the other episodes to even try and connect the story into something coherent. What WAS a promising show with an adorable lead character went in the dustbin of history really fast. You didn't miss anything by quitting the show.
@Lindalu220
@Lindalu220 8 күн бұрын
Same. Felt it was coming and was so disappointed. Couldn’t watch any more.
@RebeccaStamm
@RebeccaStamm Ай бұрын
Did anyone else cheer when Burger dumped Carrie on a postit?
@user-rh1kq9xj9c
@user-rh1kq9xj9c 21 күн бұрын
Honestly just rewatched this exact episode and I did laugh bc Carrie is THE WORST!!!
@elainagilbert7663
@elainagilbert7663 Ай бұрын
It was when Rory cheated with married Dean for me. I didn't care that she left college because it felt like a normal thing people do when figuring themselves out. She grew up in a small town under a lot of pressure and being in a new environment with more to explore can be overwhelming. I completely understood that character progression. Her sleeping with Dean though was out of left field and didn't feel in line with her character or typical growing pains.
@ivanalaff5346
@ivanalaff5346 26 күн бұрын
Did I miss the part where all of these men “ slept” with Rory. Men doing that are misunderstood or studs or ( you pick a word) and women doing that are ???
@elainagilbert7663
@elainagilbert7663 25 күн бұрын
I didn't mean to present my statement as if I was supporting some sort of men can do what they want whilst women do the same and are villainized stance. I never had a high opinion of Dean, he was creepy, possessive, and emotionally abusive so his cheating on his wife didn't feel out of character to me. However, Rory cheating with him seemed very left-field, and I couldn't look at her the same after that.@@ivanalaff5346
@teddymanguerra
@teddymanguerra Ай бұрын
I don’t blame Dany for burning King’s Landing. I blame the showrunners! 😂😂😂
@sweetsummerchild8156
@sweetsummerchild8156 28 күн бұрын
Nah, that's the actual story. Blame GRRM, the shorunenrs did not make this up.
@eaa143
@eaa143 28 күн бұрын
Exactly! I thought, I don’t go to a fantasy show to see people practice hypocrisy, abuse power, fail to learn from history, … 🤦🏻‍♀️
@mmkend592
@mmkend592 15 күн бұрын
@@sweetsummerchild8156 no it is not the story of Dany at all!!
@sweetsummerchild8156
@sweetsummerchild8156 15 күн бұрын
@@mmkend592 Erm, yes she is even worse in the books. She is a conquerer and a crucifer and frequently fantasizes about laying cities to waste.
@mmkend592
@mmkend592 15 күн бұрын
@@sweetsummerchild8156 But what she did she has never done in the books...for all we know she may definitely not take that route...this was the writers deciding what her end will look like when the author didn't sign off on it
@LordNifty
@LordNifty Ай бұрын
I feel that Season Six of Buffy was essentially designed to ruin all the main characters. For starters, you mentioned the Spike example, but Willow used magic repeatedly to utterly control Tara's mind and emotions, even after Tara found out and told Willow to stop, and Willow didn't seem to have any hesitation or remorse, and really came off as a narcissistic psychopath for a good chunk of the season.
@sk70091
@sk70091 29 күн бұрын
Yeah, nobody's ever been perfect on that show but it all really culminated in S6. Still, I really enjoy that season, somehow I find it more and more relatable the older I get, the way everybody's so messed up.
@davidzalesky3971
@davidzalesky3971 21 күн бұрын
And Xander leaving Anya at the altar and then acting like it was a good thing. For me, that moment deserved a spot on this list much more than Spike's attempted rape. I mean, yes, what Spike did was objectively worse, but he was a soulless demon at that point and then he (succesfully) seeked redemption. While Xander ruined Anya's (and his own) chance of happiness without providing any relevant reason and then acting like he did her a favour while also claiming that he still loves her.
@joanreynolds955
@joanreynolds955 Ай бұрын
Carrie was always selfish and absolutely insufferable. The worst thing she did was stalk Natasha. I was so glad when Natasha very politely gave it with both barrels.
@evanstallard1515
@evanstallard1515 Ай бұрын
Top 10 times Alex Karev was the worst 1. when he abandoned Jo 2. when he beat up Deluca 3. when he called Jo trash 4. when he cheated on Izzie with Olivia 5. when he yelled at April 6. when he put up pictures of Izzie in her underwear 7. his affair with Rebecca 8. bullying George 9. stringing along Lexie 10. when he cheated on Izzie with Lexie For the record, Karev was one of my favorite characters. I know that he had the greatest character development and some of these moments are somewhat justified, but his faults need to be recognized.
@blahblahblahblah729
@blahblahblahblah729 Ай бұрын
Him beating up DeLuca is the worst for me. The only reason he didn't rot in jail for that was plot armor honestly. Absolutely ridiculous. And realistically, Jo would have left him for good, as she was a victim of DV.
@Cindy-ou5fg
@Cindy-ou5fg Ай бұрын
These amongst the season where he snitched on meredith for swiping the placebo for webber’s wife was insane !! I couldn’t bear watching him for a while until he got the african kids to get to seattle.
@saimcheeda93
@saimcheeda93 Ай бұрын
There were so many killings on Dexter but the Debra storyline scared me the most
@user-nt6ov1il2n
@user-nt6ov1il2n Ай бұрын
I will never forgive what was done to Danerys, never, Kings Landing was a shite hole.
@mercurystarr
@mercurystarr Ай бұрын
They better RESURRECT HER!! HBO IS TRASH FOR THAT...
@lalak2157
@lalak2157 20 күн бұрын
I heard how bad the last season was and have never watched it. The more I read the better I feel about that
@worldadventuretravel
@worldadventuretravel 14 күн бұрын
@@lalak2157 Well, here's one angle: knowing the story is absolute shit, if you watch it just from the perspective of enjoying all the special effects it could still be fun. Just keep any other expectations low.
@usmcholmans
@usmcholmans Ай бұрын
How they treated & gutted the character of Danaerys is one of the most unforgivable moments in television history. It's utterly inexcusable. It completely wiped out any goodwill many of us had for DB & DB. Not much more to say. As for Rory on GG, that debacle of a sequel made that character disgusting...and Lorelei as well. Did I just never really see that they were both holier-than-thou, self-absorbed, entitled brats? I cannot fathom how any writer could overcome the nastiness that we saw in the followup of a year to redeem either character...especially Rory. If that's the last we see of Bitch and Bitchier, then good riddance.
@endlessstudent3512
@endlessstudent3512 Ай бұрын
Interesting is, that usually, when they slay the female characters in TV series...people are all too happy to bash said female character, finding numerous example where that character "has always been mean/cold/shitty" etc. But with Danaerys they overdid it...for the first time I hear/read people defending a female character and blame the male directors :D
@justjacksholden4108
@justjacksholden4108 29 күн бұрын
@@endlessstudent3512 But it does actually make sense though, she is a Targaryen and they had a habit of going crazy
@muouy44
@muouy44 29 күн бұрын
Dani going insane was always the final outcome for her, yes the fucked it up in the end but you see her slowly losing it the entire series. First with slight smirk when Drogo killed her brother, to having the slavers bodies hung on the road to the town. It was always right there in front of all of us. Her torching Kings Landing was inevitable regardless of what triggered it
@endlessstudent3512
@endlessstudent3512 29 күн бұрын
If i remember the books correctly, it was the toss of a coin...50/50. Her Father was crazy, as was her brother. So it would have been probable that she was skipped.@@justjacksholden4108
@HRHDMKYT
@HRHDMKYT 29 күн бұрын
GoT: I know, right? Jon Snow is the worst military operations planner on the planet, Danaerys was brilliant, it really bugged me that Snow wasn’t killed after his horrible leadership got so many good guys killed.
@MrGeekFreek
@MrGeekFreek Ай бұрын
Speaking of Shameless: Debbie rped a kid and had his baby. And then had the audacity to be upset when him and his family wanted nothing to do with her. That was the last straw for me and I stopped watching shortly after all that.
@TamESQ
@TamESQ Ай бұрын
You have some things confused. She didn’t r*pe Derek… 😂 She r*ped Matty, the older guy she befriended who refused to date her because she was too young. Derek was her baby daddy. She didn’t r*pe him, but she did lie about being on birth control.
@stephenbohen7052
@stephenbohen7052 Ай бұрын
I expected Debbie as well. Fiona was flawed, but Debbie had us in the beginning. She truly became a disgusting person.
@yourenotmysupervisor9311
@yourenotmysupervisor9311 Ай бұрын
She didn’t rape the father of her baby, she lied to him and said she was on the pill. She raped the older boy she liked by getting him drunk…which makes her even worse
@Ashbrash1998
@Ashbrash1998 Ай бұрын
I was wanting this too
@divinelangene6813
@divinelangene6813 Ай бұрын
Well, i suppose its called shameless for a reason
@uksorcha18
@uksorcha18 Ай бұрын
When Elena said that Stefan treats her like a broken toy - all he did was support her and try to help her.
@valerieunger211
@valerieunger211 Ай бұрын
The ending of GOT was a betrayal to all the fans who loved it. The writers of this last season should never be allowed to write screenplays again. Normally with series I love, I’ll rewatch. But with GOT and knowing how they ended it, I just can’t bear to watch it. I just get angry. Those two writers are arrogant, entitled, greedy jerks who ruined one of the most epic stories of all time.
@jackibrown3631
@jackibrown3631 29 күн бұрын
Exactly.. basically threw away all of the previous years, the character building, couples, the story arcs that were destroyed, or never finished, and then having her burn the city.
@nuranozdemir6454
@nuranozdemir6454 28 күн бұрын
Those writers were extremely luckily with George R.R Martin’s books! Without the books, this series wouldn’t have been so great but season 8 didn’t have a book to refer to cos George hadn’t written it yet … 7 years during shows run and still waiting. The writers apparently consulted George in regards to the last season but we can see the writing was convoluted and didn’t do justice to the series. The question now is will George ever write the last book/s and how he completes the series.
@juliadavidson1538
@juliadavidson1538 25 күн бұрын
Same.
@peterkn2
@peterkn2 19 күн бұрын
The White Walkers' conclusion was very disappointing too. All that build up for nothing.
@takemeaway285
@takemeaway285 18 күн бұрын
It's almost like you didn't watch the first seven seasons of her becoming increasingly vicious and unhinged. It will never not amaze me that people were surprised by the ending 😂
@WannabeBackbencher
@WannabeBackbencher Ай бұрын
Jess: What are you doing? Living at your grandparents' place? Being in the DAR? No Yale?! WHY did you drop out of Yale? Rory: It's complicated! Jess: It's not! It's not complicated! Rory: You don't know! Jess: This isn't you! This! You going out with this jerk, with the Porsche! We made fun of guys like this!
@malikabernard966
@malikabernard966 Ай бұрын
Actually, Aiden was the one who broke up with Carrie both times. The first time he broke up with her was after she told him that she was having an affair with Big. She knew there was a STRONG possibility that he would break up with her but she still didn’t want him to leave her. The second time he really wanted to get married but she claimed she wasn’t ready. Then he broke up with her because he felt like she was never going to want to marry him. Ultimately it was Aiden that broke up with Carrie because he knew that she would never love him the way that he loved her. I think the fans were just annoyed that Carrie could never get it together for the seemingly perfect guy. On the surface it always looked like she was self sabotaging (and she kind of was lol). However as a fan of the show I’m glad she didn’t end up with Aiden they were never right for each other I just wish she had let him go a lot sooner before she hurt him. She spent way too much time trying to convince herself that he was the one when she knew he wasn’t.
@jodejette
@jodejette 29 күн бұрын
I agree completely. As a woman who tried to talk herself into being in love with men (twice!) who weren't right for her, I relate.
@allys744
@allys744 Ай бұрын
The only time Carrie was right in her relationship with Aiden was when she chose not to rush into marriage with him. I know she was horrible for him and she didn’t deserve a good guy like him. But in a way, she was right. She wasn’t loyal to him and if Aiden made her his wife, she wouldn’t have stayed for long and she would’ve sprinted after Big. As good as Aiden is, he can’t just turn a cheater and an awful person like Carrie into a loving wife. She basically did him a favor by saying no to their elopement.
@charliejoson9145
@charliejoson9145 Ай бұрын
Carrie was also a smoker something that Aiden didn't like about her and she couldn't really quit the habit
@annamwikali7516
@annamwikali7516 Ай бұрын
What kills me the most is why the heck did Carrie chase Aiden again and begged him to take her back if she didn't wanna go the distance with him? She already knew he was a keeper and the long-relationship kind of guy.
@destinychild4659
@destinychild4659 27 күн бұрын
​@@charliejoson9145That's actually very human. After all, it's addiction.
@veragatame
@veragatame 25 күн бұрын
Carrie is an addict - to cigarettes and pain of emotional unavailability. Carrie even admits this to herself when Big leaves for Paris. However, unlike the show, Candice Bushnell's SATC book ends with Carrie single and thriving.
@sallyjrwjrw6766
@sallyjrwjrw6766 23 күн бұрын
Completely agree. Carrie did not deserve Aiden.
@poisonivvsthecrohnmonster8288
@poisonivvsthecrohnmonster8288 28 күн бұрын
I’m not a hundred 100 in agreement about spike. I feel they screwed him over. His relationship with Buffy started with her almost forcing herself on him. Hitting kicking him while he tried to tell her no bad idea so the fact their foreplay was Normal a physical fight. Obviously rape is hopific and he stopped when he saw it wasn’t foreplay. They were both kiss me, no kill me. He did that with out a soul but felt so guilty and loved her so much he sought out a soul to make sure he never hurt her. It’s so complex how could they have found a better scenario for him to realise he need to do soul possibly, but I don’t know what would worked better in that situation they needed a motive for his seeking redemption. The cross scene was genuinely moving as Jesus died On a cross to pay for our sins and spike lying on a Cross to defeat his own sin! So I still liked him. James Marston is a lovely human I met him this week and he was so kind
@ElvisRose_
@ElvisRose_ Ай бұрын
I really can't believe this but I'm going to defend Rory here, not her actual actions but her right to change her mind about her life. If you actually watch the show, you'd know that Lorelai is an extremely problematic parent at times, who doesn't do Rory any favors by filling her with so much praise but in ways, she also holds Rory to unrealistic standards like when Rory isn't allowed to change her mind about wanting to attend Yale instead of Harvard because Lorelai still hasn't resolved her issues with her own parents or telling Rory that she absolutely must stick to the life plan she set out for herself at four years old is not letting a young woman figure herself out in early adulthood and you don't passive aggressively punish your child by giving them the silent treatment because they've screwed up or disappointing you in some way... Lorelai wanted to be her daughter's friend first and on occasion her mother but you can't pick & choose the moments you want to be your child's parent.
@katiecrystal1306
@katiecrystal1306 Ай бұрын
I agree. Rory and Lorelai put each other on such a pedestal it was like each of them could do no wrong. Rory made some very immature choices at times, which I guess was not that surprising given how young her character was, but then when you see how Lorelai behaved you could see that it was at least partly a case of mother influencing daughter. I mean, look at how Lorelai treated Max!! Awful.
@suekelley2109
@suekelley2109 Ай бұрын
Lorelai wanted to be the parent she always wanted her parents to be. Which meant she did EVERYTHING opposite her mother. Plus she was so young when she had her she did try to be her friend - when she decided to turn into a mother neither of them knew how to cope
@suekelley2109
@suekelley2109 Ай бұрын
But Rory did go off the rails in the end
@mSeve295
@mSeve295 Ай бұрын
I give Lorelai a pass on a lot of things b/c she was so young, but let’s face it, they both were incredibly selfish.
@missmayflower
@missmayflower Ай бұрын
@@katiecrystal1306I was constantly cringing at Lorelai’s immature behaviour. Rory needed a parent, not a buddy.
@baxtersmom279
@baxtersmom279 Ай бұрын
Ross and Rachel were toxic together.
@TheMarine316
@TheMarine316 Ай бұрын
No they weren’t, they were barely together
@baxtersmom279
@baxtersmom279 Ай бұрын
@@TheMarine316 other than the year they dated, the times they hooked together, when they got married and divorced, when they had a baby together… but, yeah their relationship hardly mattered in the show… 🤔😳😒 she didn’t ruin just about every relationship he was ever in- not with Julie or Emily or Mona. He cheated on her and was jealous. Not toxic, at all. 🥸🤡
@TheMarine316
@TheMarine316 Ай бұрын
@@baxtersmom279 it was played for laughs, I really don’t think people understand what a toxic relationship is on here
@mortimerbrewster3671
@mortimerbrewster3671 Ай бұрын
I never understood how people ever thought they were THE couple on the show - it was created from Ross's obsession and Rachel's neediness. Monica and Chandler had the best relationship, ironically, from the beginning. When they hooked up and their relationship took off, it seemed like the natural progression of a great friendship.
@NoahIsThaGOAT
@NoahIsThaGOAT Ай бұрын
@@mortimerbrewster3671 It's because the show focused on them as the main couple, Monica and Chandler are easily the best couple, but a big reason why the show is so successful is because of the will they wont they between Ross and Rachel, although it goes on WAY too long
@dareisayit
@dareisayit Ай бұрын
Rory screamed the textbook case of a child who grew up as a parentified child. One that had to be the ‘responsible’ one, the one that all their parents dreams are riding on. She wasn’t allowed to make teenage mistakes as a teenager. She got screamed at when she accidentally stayed out with Dean. Lorelai outright bullied a child for ‘reminding her of Christopher’ and got his uncle involved and was a major part of the reason he left. So of course when she got freedom she acted like a teenager. The issue is now it’s not acceptable as an adult.
@mkulla8267
@mkulla8267 29 күн бұрын
I agree, when you have too much expectation to be a perfect angel all the time and never have the freedom to act like a normal kid, of course, that rebellion is going to come out eventually. Rory never had a chance to act out as a teen so when she hit a rough spot in college it turned out worse because she was an adult. I also think the overreaction to her wanting to take time off Yale to reassess what she wanted to do with her life was way over the top and unfair on her.
@onceagain2085
@onceagain2085 28 күн бұрын
what do you mean by "got his uncle involved"? whose uncle are you talking about?
@manicpanic3544
@manicpanic3544 28 күн бұрын
As a parent, I understand them freaking out on her for staying out all night with Dean, accident or not. You don't know where your child is all night. They didn't call.
@Pancake3225
@Pancake3225 Ай бұрын
Without trying to excuse what Spike did (it’s the only moment I ever felt disgusted at my favorite character) he was soulless and naturally leaned evil no matter how good he tried to be. Buffy did forgive him after he became ensouled, which he fought for because he was horrified by his own actions but he earned it through building trust. Kind of like what she told Wood, “the man you’re mad at no longer exists.” Even she states in the comics she can’t hold him accountable for what he did as a soulless monster.
@Pancake3225
@Pancake3225 Ай бұрын
@@jnunn525 and the thing is Angelus feels zero remorse for any pain he inflicted on Buffy because he hates her. He killed Jenny because she wanted to help restore him. Spike’s immediate response to knowing he truly hurt Buffy was to kill the monster within. Also, bravo to James for sticking to his principles. I hate that he and SMG had to film something so uncomfortable.
@user-lb9xw4xf2q
@user-lb9xw4xf2q Ай бұрын
It's interesting that, the attempted assault aside, Spike was a better person than Angel; once his soul leaves, Angelus is far more twisted and evil than Spike, never trying to be good, unless tortured by guilt when his soul returns. Spike's villainy was originally stopped by the Institute chip that prevented him from hurting people, however, he eventually made a conscious choice to no longer kill people, even though he had no soul compelling him. Angel was forcibly given his soul back, whereas Spike went on an arduous struggle to earn his soul back.
@princessstomper8068
@princessstomper8068 Ай бұрын
@@jnunn525There's even a scene in a flashback in Angel that shows Angel assaulting a young woman with Darla. The soulless vampires are evil, and that's the point.
@jewels2799
@jewels2799 Ай бұрын
Yeah, but Spike didn't go to win his soul back. He wanted to "give buffy what she deserves" by removing the chip so he could kill her. When the time for his wish to be granted, he says,"I want to give buffy what she deserves." I think his subconscious wanted his soul back so he could be the man she deserved. It was ambiguous on purpose.
@e_n-o
@e_n-o 29 күн бұрын
@@jewels2799He did actually go to get his soul back. It was worded that way when he talked to the demon because the writers wanted to have the surprise cliffhanger moment, but they confirmed that his intention was to get his soul back. Removing the chip wouldn't have really mattered if he wanted the kill Buffy since it hadn't worked on her since she was brought back to life.
@ladysamxoxo
@ladysamxoxo 29 күн бұрын
We pretend Game of Thrones' last season didn't happen. And Dany's actions are out of character because Dumb and Dumber don't understand writing.
@nancymoore1240
@nancymoore1240 29 күн бұрын
D&D rushed it bec they had lost interest by the last season. Also, they had been in talks about helming the next Star Trek franchise and we're so busy floating over and preparing for that, that they didn't finish what they started. In a fitting twist of fate, the new Star Trek franchise was cancelled in pre- pre- production. The White Walkers gotcha, D&D !
@rondamorris3550
@rondamorris3550 Ай бұрын
I was truly hating Nate but Beard’s explanation of second chances helped me understand why he was welcomed back. ❤
@CaesarJayL
@CaesarJayL Ай бұрын
Dexter was falling off the rail after the Trinity killer wrapped up but that Deb falling in love with him was just unnecessary
@Siansonea
@Siansonea Ай бұрын
Writer's block is a terrible thing. "Hey, Jennifer and Michael were a thing, why don't we create a forbidden love plot between Deb and Dex? That way we can all get home before rush hour?"
@michelletranter1358
@michelletranter1358 Ай бұрын
That moment in Buffy is the reason spike went to get his soul, he realised that while he was soulless and capable of doing these horrible things he would never be worthy of her, and even though he knew she would never love him back, he couldn't live knowing he could ever do that to her again.
@sct4040
@sct4040 Ай бұрын
I grew to dislike Carrie Bradshaw very much.
@annamwikali7516
@annamwikali7516 Ай бұрын
Me too alot actually
@TxBrazos
@TxBrazos 29 күн бұрын
She was the perfect example of a completely selfish person
@user-pe2wq8rm1k
@user-pe2wq8rm1k 28 күн бұрын
What sealed it for me was when she demanded that Charlotte give her diamonds ring to her so she could buy her apartment. That seemed very unreasonable considering how much Carrie had spent on shoes!
@windwatcher11
@windwatcher11 22 күн бұрын
I loved it when Sam pointed out her down-payment was in her boxes of Monolos 😂
@tiffprendergast4925
@tiffprendergast4925 9 күн бұрын
@@user-pe2wq8rm1kyup
@MareMarMarie
@MareMarMarie 29 күн бұрын
I never fell out of love with Fiona. What she did in that season was crazy but we watched this character get hit with so much, you’d almost expect a mental break down and total unraveling.
@11cabadger
@11cabadger Ай бұрын
Yep. Never forgave Andy for treating Erin like crap. The boat scene kinda gave me hope that after she got over the heartache she would find true love. And she did💕
@mandyland739
@mandyland739 28 күн бұрын
Agreed! That scene was character assassination for Andy, but growth for Erin. She learned that she deserved much better, and she and Pete were so sweet together.
@lesterrooney
@lesterrooney Ай бұрын
Beverly Hills 90210- Dylan and Kelly cheating on Brenda
@jasonmims5057
@jasonmims5057 27 күн бұрын
That was really bad but the character that annoyed me a lot on that show was Brandon Walsh. I know people may disagree but he was not a very nice sometimes and came off as Im the smartest person in this room and your go-to what I want or else.
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 Ай бұрын
Ross Poldark assaulting his former fiancé and cheating on his wife Demelza and then having the ABSOLUTE GALL to not take any responsibility and try to justify his horrific actions. Like from that point on, why would you even want to continue supporting someone that horrific? The minute he started trying to justify it, I was fucking done. Never watched another episode after that.
@mishynaofficial
@mishynaofficial 20 күн бұрын
That's what i wrote, too! What a terrible character assassination.
@worldadventuretravel
@worldadventuretravel 14 күн бұрын
Wait, what? I never got that far in the show, when does that happen?
@annaleefuerstenau4286
@annaleefuerstenau4286 6 күн бұрын
Yes, I completely agree! It was absolutely horrifying that he responded to his wife's hurt by telling her he only hurt her pride, and showed no empathy whatsoever. Disgusting.
@FDR_progressive_liberal
@FDR_progressive_liberal Ай бұрын
Daenerys's 180 at the end was a whiplash event for me. She was as crazy as her father who planned to smoke the city as well. It was not in character.
@Geekabibble
@Geekabibble Ай бұрын
Yes, I agree! It was way too sudden. But the writers were ready for "better pastures" and were done I guess. They rushed the last at least 2 seasons. It was such a good show too. What a letdown at the end.
@sionsidhe9
@sionsidhe9 Ай бұрын
It’s been years and I’m still so angry at that ending. Dany had fought so hard and so long, had devoted herself to being a good, just leader and ensuring people of every class and community had equal opportunity and tyrannical rule like that of her father and Cersei would become obsolete. But the loss of two of her dragons and her closest friend was enough to make her burn thousands of people? Did the writers forget we watched her survive the loss of her husband and child, struggling through the desert half dead, that she wasn’t so fragile she was going to snap just like that. Every character just went so downhill, Tyrion apparently loses all his cunning, wit, intelligence, strategy and planning and just “drinks and knows things”. Varys who was arguably at the same level as Tyrion became equally ignorant and useless. Bran seemed borderline sociopathic in his complete lack of feeling for anyone or anything. Jaime decided to toss years worth of character development and growth down and the drain and abandon Brienne because…he found out Cersei wanted him dead? Jon lost all motivation and drive, and apparently the ability to speak in full sentences. Euron, a supposedly deeply dark and frightening character, was like a bad Captain Jack Sparrow cos player. Honestly? I just tell myself the entirety of season 7 and 8 were just a prophetic dream of Dany’s. She’d even said “my dreams come true”, and was a descendant of Daenys The Dreamer. So the final two seasons were just a warning dream. And now that she knows what to change, crisis averted. Insert rational, intelligent, satisfying ending here.
@mycenia2113
@mycenia2113 Ай бұрын
I wouldn't call it a 180, exactly. I started calling her the Mad Queen when reading the first book because it was horribly obvious where GRRM was going with it. Her character practically had a big banner with flashing lights that read, "You have to love me so you can be shocked in the end!" The show made that even more apparent. The problem is, it worked too well. Anytime they tried to show her potential for evil, fans just glossed over or justified it. And instead of seeing that and making things a bit more obvious early on, they just shrugged and slapped you all in the face with it. Don't get me wrong, the writing was crap. But the writing was also on the wall, so to speak. You just had to be open to seeing it.
@paultapner2769
@paultapner2769 Ай бұрын
At least the TV show had an ending though. More than we'll get from the books.
@RebeccaStamm
@RebeccaStamm Ай бұрын
Totally agree. If only GRRM would have finished writing Winds of Winter. Sigh.
@Slappys
@Slappys Ай бұрын
This one of the rare times that I 100% side with Ross. When Monica asks about their anniversary dinner the next morning, Rachel says they broke up. When Ross listens to the voicemail she left THE SAME NIGHT, she calls it a break up. To suddenly change it to just a break because she didn’t like what Ross did as a single man(no matter how recently) is straight up gaslighting. If she admitted in her own words that it was a break up, she had no right to hold that against him. She may have been hurt by him hooking up with someone the same night that she dumped him (and for good reason), but he wasn’t wrong and owed her absolutely no apology for what he did when he was single.
@rachelmartin5187
@rachelmartin5187 29 күн бұрын
Omg FINALLY!!!! Someone who understands my views. I've always felt like the "we were on a break" thing was such B.S. hell, even Monica agreed, but because Rachel got mad, she backed down. Since we're on the subject of gaslighting, let's talk about that 18 paged letter. I swear that was gaslighting to a T. Homegirl really forced Ross to read a letter in which he's blamed for EVERYTHING and he can't get mad? Damn. Fans are quick to call Ross toxic, but she was worse.
@Slappys
@Slappys 28 күн бұрын
@@rachelmartin5187 Right! Ross certainly had his problems, but I just don’t get how that made people so blind to Rachel’s.
@rachelmartin5187
@rachelmartin5187 28 күн бұрын
​@Slappys Agreed. She had just as many flaws as him, if not more.
@gracieofgod8899
@gracieofgod8899 19 күн бұрын
I never thought it was that Ross owed Rachel an apology, it’s that he was more concerned with justifying that he hurt her than showing sympathy that he hurt her.
@tiffprendergast4925
@tiffprendergast4925 9 күн бұрын
Yup
@queenb7013
@queenb7013 Ай бұрын
Y'all forgot to list when George cheated on Callie with Izzie on Grey's Anatomy and when Emma became the dark one on once upon a time, but thank you for listing the spike one I hate how a lot of fans brush that one under the rug smh
@AngelicaAngel888_
@AngelicaAngel888_ 29 күн бұрын
Dark Swann had so much potential, and the writers just threw it away. She was "dark" all of 5 minutes.
@kokomo74149
@kokomo74149 26 күн бұрын
Um no one turned on spike. We ALL knew their relationship was always doomed. Them finding peace when he got his soul back made the scene worth it. The fans understood they had to show the evil was still there and something he couldn't control without a soul. It was major character growth for both characters. I've meet James several times now. There's No actor I enjoy talking to more than him. The man really is a total sweetheart and he appreciates his fans. I think its a shame Hollywood has screwed him over because he's also one of the best actors out there. I've seen him convincingly do everything. If you ever want to meet a great guy and actor... go find James Marsters. You'll love him. He has a heart like Keanu Reeves. Some how he survived Hollywood with his soul in tact too.
@adriangarcia543
@adriangarcia543 Ай бұрын
Emma being dark one once upon a time she broke my heart
@Geekabibble
@Geekabibble Ай бұрын
It's been a while since I watched it, but wasn't it explained? I thought everyone but her forgot what happened when they had gone away and came back. She was the only one who remembered and it had to be that way. Wasn't it to save them all or something?
@toothless489
@toothless489 26 күн бұрын
Buffy attacks spike but it's filmed and treated like it was okay even hot when she was invisible. They needed to treat the scene the same or not have them at all.
@RapFanatic4ever
@RapFanatic4ever Ай бұрын
I don't know if this counts but I;'d say Frank from Moesha . With him being such a hypocrite, He judged Mo for everything she did but yet had an afair with Mo's mother and kept Dorian hidden as a secret love child. Cause he didn't tell Dorian that he wasn't his uncle not father and also sending Myles to his room. Than wondering why h starts smoking weed.
@thebook6481
@thebook6481 29 күн бұрын
There were a number of reasons to be frustrated with Carrie, but she did not break up with Aiden. She wasn’t ready to get married, she wouldn’t allow him to pressure her into marriage. He dumped her because she would not marry him.
@lightofsheba
@lightofsheba Ай бұрын
Ross wasn’t sweet and goofy, he was a narcissist who was obsessed with Rachel.
@ToCam-fl8ry
@ToCam-fl8ry Ай бұрын
no, actually Rachel was a narcissist obsessed with Ross and manipulative awful cruel hypocrite.
@lightofsheba
@lightofsheba Ай бұрын
@@ToCam-fl8ry I didn’t say Rachel wasn’t a narcissist
@AliciaGuitar
@AliciaGuitar 28 күн бұрын
He is the definition of "would you rather be right? Or would you rather be happy?"
@nuranozdemir6454
@nuranozdemir6454 28 күн бұрын
How Rachel was the most popular girl in school and good friends with hugely overweight Monica is beyond me; a doctor father, credit card plus two sisters who love brands and with a massive nose? Never made sense.
@tiffprendergast4925
@tiffprendergast4925 9 күн бұрын
Yup
@LaineyBug2020
@LaineyBug2020 Ай бұрын
Spike- Nope, still Team Spike. That darkness was needed for his character as a wake up call because he was in morality limbo. He was a demon that could love and that's a dangerous combination. He needed to see what he was capable of so he had motivation to get his soul back. Otherwise he would just keep assuming he was as good as he was going to get.
@sandywichmann9292
@sandywichmann9292 Ай бұрын
I stopped liking Rory when she started cheating with a married man and had absolutely zero remorse over it.
@JB-ec3il
@JB-ec3il Ай бұрын
I actually stopped watching the show completely after this. I just couldn’t keep watching.
@Aqua23-ammg
@Aqua23-ammg 28 күн бұрын
And to think that Logan could, would and should have been HER husband. He had proposed ten years earlier to the Revival Show. She said no because his father had brought her down a few notches with factual, accurate, constructive criticism - she WAS a shitty journalist, never had it and completely fell apart when someone didn’t fawn over her for once in her life. She thought it more important to prove she could have a massive career (failed) instead of becoming engaged to the man she loved. Then her life went down the toilet and she lowered herself to be the mistress of the man she had refused as a husband. And cared nothing about his fiancée, just like she had justified her affair with Dean (“He’s MY Dean, I dated him first!”) What a horrible female.
@Sistik123
@Sistik123 Ай бұрын
grew up watching buffy, hard to believe James is 2 years older than my Dad lol
@jjng6593
@jjng6593 Ай бұрын
I mean I hate Big and Carrie's relationship but Aidan was never meant with Carrie. They are too different and don't have same values. Just because he's a great guy that doesn't mean that she should choose him over Big. They would not last anyway.
@annamwikali7516
@annamwikali7516 Ай бұрын
In my opinion Carrie and Big deserved each other. They were both toxic. She would always light up like Christmas lights when around Big despite how he treated her. And she always wanted to go back for more of that toxic treatment.
@rachelmartin5187
@rachelmartin5187 29 күн бұрын
Tv characters I fell out of love with: 1. Eddie Janko (Blue Bloods).Once she got married to Jamie she turned into a Karen who thinks she runs the entire NYPD. 2. Phoebe Buffay (Friends). I hate how she became a full on bully toward Chandler after he and Monica got together. When she revealed that Monica originally wanted to sleep with Joey I was appalled. Why Monica didn't slap her right then and there I'll never know. 3. Lilly Aldrin (How I met your mother). From dumping Marshall to breaking up all of Teds relationships I got sick of her selfishness. 4. Martin Payne (Martin). Although I shipped them hard as a kid, watching as an adult made me realize that Martin was a toxic partner. When he ghosted Gina to join a cult, I saw his character in a different light. 5. Dwayne Wayne (A different world). When he cheated on Whitley then crashed her wedding to Byron I was through. Dont get me wrong that episode was emmy worthy, but it was still an awful thing to do. 6. Toni Childs (Girlfriends). When she got the whole group to turn on Joan when Joan was developing a social life outside of her main friends it was clear that she hadnt matured at all and really wasn't happy unless everyone around her was miserable. 7. Rory Gilmore (Gilmore Girls). Her affair with Dean was the beginning. I really started to hate her when she wrote that scathing article about rich people, even though she was just as privileged. 8. Haley James Scott (One Tree Hill) when she started her emotional affair with Chris Keller I was annoyed. She constantly called Lucas out for being a cheater, but she was freaking married for goodness sake. 9. Rufus Humphrey (Gossip Girl). When he hooked up with Ivy and started acting all scandalous I was so mad. He was literally the last sane person on the show and wound up being just as bad. 10. Christy Plunkett (Mom). Her character got really annoying after she started gambling and got them homeless. She constantly told the family to have faith, but refused to acknowledge her mistakes.
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Ай бұрын
I really felt out of love with rory when she dropped out of yale
@litavytsiaa
@litavytsiaa Ай бұрын
Carrie breaking up with Aidan actually made all the sense, if you really watched the show
@Siansonea
@Siansonea Ай бұрын
Yes, she was always a complete narcissist, I definitely also noticed that long before the Aidan breakup.
@onetwo1013
@onetwo1013 Ай бұрын
They were on a break!!! I stand with Ross.
@launchpadmcquack8142
@launchpadmcquack8142 Ай бұрын
I've always agreed that they were on a break, but ultimately it doesn't matter since sleeping with someone a few hours after taking a break, still makes you immature, selfish, and thoughtless. I wouldn't want to get back together with someone after that either.
@farahjichi4617
@farahjichi4617 Ай бұрын
​@@launchpadmcquack8142 ​@launchpadmcquack8142 really...what makes it immature too not be faithful too the person who literally just dumped you and then on top of that invites the one person that you were insecure about.. It's selfish to not stay faithful to someone who just dumped me..give me a fking break..Isn't the one who has hasteningly ended the relationship but expecting the other person to wallow die over them the selfish one?? How long do you suggest he remain faithful??
@farahjichi4617
@farahjichi4617 Ай бұрын
​and they did not take a break, which is the definition of immature behavior, Rachel fk broke up with him. Period
@tylrk7358
@tylrk7358 Ай бұрын
The friends thing never made me dislike Ross. He had faults, just every other character on the show. But they were genuinely broken up and Rachael just continued to bring it up.
@BigTuna-lt3sf
@BigTuna-lt3sf 28 күн бұрын
No they were not. And even for argument's sake if they were, what does it say about him to go and sleep with the first thing that moves not even double digit hours after breaking up with the supposed love of his life? Ross apologists very conveniently forget that part.
@nancyclark1609
@nancyclark1609 28 күн бұрын
@@BigTuna-lt3sfNobody “forgets that part”; it’s just not relevant because they were, in fact, on a break, and therefore not together. It really doesn’t matter whether it’s been an hour or a month - if they’re not together, they can sleep with whomever they want.
@BigTuna-lt3sf
@BigTuna-lt3sf 27 күн бұрын
@@nancyclark1609 it very much is relevant to why Rachel was so hurt. People’s emotions don’t run on semantics.
@eileennguyen842
@eileennguyen842 23 күн бұрын
What always annoyed me about that plotline was that Rachel's reasons for breaking up with him were perfectly reasonable (not that she needed any reason other than she didn't want to go out with him anymore). But in the future, when they fight, does she ever say, "you weren't supportive of my career," or, "you didn't trust me around my good-looking coworker even though I had given you no reason not to"? No. She says, "you cheated on me," because he slept with someone else after she dumped him.
@jessedellross3245
@jessedellross3245 Ай бұрын
Lily from HIMYM saying was marshal was being more selfish then she had ever been. Dead. Character literally died right there
@ruthyvonne5240
@ruthyvonne5240 Ай бұрын
Never liked the character Carrie Bradshaw
@HeronCoyote1234
@HeronCoyote1234 Ай бұрын
Same here. Add SJP in those feelings.
@annndanu2785
@annndanu2785 Ай бұрын
Dany's abrupt change gets me so mad to this day that I can't rewatch GOT.
@nancymoore1240
@nancymoore1240 29 күн бұрын
Me, too. Also, way to screw over HBO. They could have done more series with the remaining characters, except that D&D killed most of them off.
@CarlDillynson
@CarlDillynson Ай бұрын
I thought Aiden broke up with Carrie for the second time when she refused to marry him? She didn't break up with him, he left her, at least thats how I remember it...
@lauragonzalez7917
@lauragonzalez7917 25 күн бұрын
I think that more than hating a character I hated writers for writing some storylines that seemed inconsistent with the character development they had created, so I didn't take it that seriously. But some characters just showed what they really were like , like Carrie and Danaerys. What they did was no surprise to me!
@melissab3217
@melissab3217 Ай бұрын
I actually didn't mind Rory dropping out of Yale. It was the first time she actually did what felt right to her. Even if she ended up regretting it, I'm glad that she stood up for what she wanted for once.
@elinesvendsen8046
@elinesvendsen8046 Ай бұрын
Brandon cheating on Kelly in the original Beverly Hills 90210. They really wanted him out of this "good guy"-role, but it was just not in his character.
@katerinasimpson1100
@katerinasimpson1100 Ай бұрын
Wait…Izzie didn’t die?!? Almost makes me sorry I stopped watching ‘Grey’s Anatomy’ after she started hallucinating that her dead fiancé Denny was back.
@xXstubsiXx
@xXstubsiXx Ай бұрын
Haha, she left at some point - had an ugly breakup with Alex. Apparently, the actress had an argument with the Showrunner. So she was written out. At least, she didn't die. Now she's happy with Alex after all. I can understand how some people hat this ending for them 😅
@pujamishra3012
@pujamishra3012 Ай бұрын
😂
@kimberlykennedy5331
@kimberlykennedy5331 29 күн бұрын
I thought she died too.
@sleepyandhollow.
@sleepyandhollow. Ай бұрын
Aidan broke up with her. Carrie treating aidan like crap while also cheating on him, is what made her a villain
@jacoblongoria122
@jacoblongoria122 28 күн бұрын
THEY WERE ON A BREAK WHY IS THIS EVEN A QUESTION THEY WERE ON A BREAK
@FDR_progressive_liberal
@FDR_progressive_liberal Ай бұрын
Carrie didn't break up with Aidan. She just didn't want to get married. So Aidan broke up with her.
@elleydoll
@elleydoll Ай бұрын
I never liked Aidan. 😮
@annamwikali7516
@annamwikali7516 Ай бұрын
I bet if it was Mr. Big who would have proposed to her she would have married him in a heartbeat.
@emilychristina3172
@emilychristina3172 Ай бұрын
@@elleydollMe either
@pinkpolly88
@pinkpolly88 Ай бұрын
​@@annamwikali7516 - nothing wrong with that! Some people we'd marry, some we wouldn't! Just because we'd marry one person doesn't mean we'd marry anyone/everyone. And Big was her One.
@endlessstudent3512
@endlessstudent3512 Ай бұрын
Yeah but that whole relationship happens often in real life. One person desperately loves another but cannot have the other person. Wants to move on with life and be with someone else and really wants to love that person. But one cannot force oneself to love someone, no matter how good and great that someone is. Of course it would have been fairer and kinder to not lead the new person on a merry-go-round and really wrong to cheat. But lets be honest...if the person you have been pining for for ages finally seems to love you back and give you a chance...how many of us would be strong enough to say no? I think she tried to love Aidan, but was not free to love. So that does not make her the pure horror people make her out to be, but a human with weaknesses.@@annamwikali7516
@annejohnson5875
@annejohnson5875 Ай бұрын
I thought it was worse when Carrie invited Big to Aiden's cabin.
@lisalyons4462
@lisalyons4462 Ай бұрын
Hot mess
@beffboo2
@beffboo2 25 күн бұрын
Alex's arch was AMAZING with Jo. And they went and effed it up SO HARD.
@SerenaEbe
@SerenaEbe Ай бұрын
Rory was bad since after Jess. She just didn’t grow up. Maybe because she thought she was more mature than everyone else… but than she stopped growing up. The Rory at the beginning of her college years and the Rory at the end of the original series are one and the same. And it’s crazy! Nobody goes through college without changes because you will meet new people and learn new things. But she’s the same. And everyone else isn’t. Rory rejected Jess even though she still loved him, and later she reject Logan even though she still loves him. She used Dean to lose her virginity and than, after Jess act like he is us- and the voice of reason (“why did you drop out of Yale “), she almost uses him to get back at Logan. And do we need to talk about the Netflix series? She can’t have a mature relationship with her boyfriend, but is Logan’s lover even though he’s about to get married. And the only original idea she had isn’t hers at all, but she has to thank Jess for it.
@nsnopper
@nsnopper Ай бұрын
Well, blame the writers, not the characters or actors.
@Iggybart05
@Iggybart05 Ай бұрын
the whole ross rachel thing made me hate them both honestly. there's so many places in that entire scenario that if either of them made a different decision it goes so much better. when rachel first meets mark, she gets excited and tells ross, who very casually says "he wants to sleep with you", to which she denies and then they get joey to confirm "yep he wants to sleep with you". this is relevant because a lot of people blame the entire start on ross who's obviously going over the top on showing up to rachel's work, etc. now to start: ross eventually tells rachel about feeling uncomfortable about mark -> rachel decides to blow it off. bad decision and she does this repeatedly rachel starts working later sometimes alone with mark -> ross decides to start marking his territory. bad decision and he does this repeatedly both get incredibly frustrated, ross feels rachel is never around, rachel feels ross isn't supportive of her job. both are right, but fail to look at each other's sides. final fight ensues -> ross brings up mark because in his eyes, rachel is spending a ton of late nights at work with mark. at this point both of those are just linked in his head and must go hand in hand. not smart. rachel is frustrated, suggest a break. ross agrees, let's get some ice cream is i think what he says. -> rachel clarifies "a break from us". had she said "no ross let's just get some sleep and spend the night a part", this would have helped ross leaves thinking it's a break up. and should have gone home. if i remember correctly joey takes him to a bar to help. mark calls up rachel, invites himself over -> while rachel can't physical stop him from getting to the door, she lets him in. keep in mind this is the guy who's at least part of the cause of her current fight with ross, why would you want that guy around? ross makes a smart decision here, and calls rachel. he wants to reconcile. upon hearing a guys voice he asks who that is. rachel lies and says "no one". ross knows it's someone and immediately asks "is that mark?" to which she tries to make excuses about how he just came over she didn't ask him to, which is all true, but again she let him in. ross goes back to the bar with (i think it's joey but it could be chandler or even both) and lets them know what happened. at this point copy girl sees ross looking down and comes to beg him to dance. i say beg because he declines several times before accepting. she kisses him. not the other way around. people love to say ross ran out and slept with someone within hours. ross didn't go looking for this, he declined to dance, she had to kiss him.... not the actions of someone looking for it. next morning ross doesn't even fully remember what happened. if we're gonna say drunk people can't consent.... then could ross consent? personally i dn't buy into that, i've been in the boat of not remembering what happened the night before and anything someone told me i did, was not out of character for me. now it gets really fun. rachel has left a voicemail on ross's machine that reads "this whole break up thing is so stupid, do you wanna get back together". so we're now clear on rachel's interpretation of what happened. ross makes the decision to just not come clean about what happened. i'm not saying coming clean would have saved the chance to get back together, but lying damn sure sealed the deal. so rachel lost a ton of my respect for how she handled the entire work thing and blowing off ross' feelings. i get that he should be supportive of her job, and i also realize that due to sitcom it's all exaggerated, but if my GF was working to the point that i barely saw her and when i raised the issue the response was "deal with it". i'd be pissed too. hell i've seen tons of people in real life blame a guy working to much for why the GF cheated. Ross lost my respect because (and this is me personally) i couldn't do a 1 night stand period, let alone that soon after a break up. while not cheating, if i were rachel i'd have been absolutely hurt. then again if i were rachel i wouldn't have let the guy/girl that was giving my SO bad vibes into the apartment ALONE with me after that kind of fight/break up.
@xejelah
@xejelah Ай бұрын
Ross sympathizers think everything is about Ross's feelings. Ross's feelings about Mark are irrelevant - because he got her the job and will be working with her. What he thinks Mark wants is irrelevant. Rachel isn't going to quit her job to make Ross "feel better". Rachel isn't going to treat Mark badly after all he's done for her nor is she going to create a weird work environment by not letting Mark in after he came over to see her. Even when Rachel is free and clear to date him, she turned him down. Rachel was never interested in Mark. Ross not only screwed up, but he tried to cover it up. That action alone proves he didn't think it was a full on break up - or he would've just told her.
@Iggybart05
@Iggybart05 Ай бұрын
@@xejelah yeah i'm not a ross sympathizer, he's my least favorite character. what you see up top is the neutral stance, he got plenty of criticism from me. they both do because they both F'd up that whole scenario.
@farahjichi4617
@farahjichi4617 Ай бұрын
​@@xejelahshe didn't need to be that close with Mark too treat him nicely and she straight out ignored Ross's feelings and concerns, so it has nothing to do with not wanting to be mean to Mark
@Quirkyalonester
@Quirkyalonester Ай бұрын
Just adding that I do think Mark was interested and while he didn't really push for them to fight or anything like that, I kinda feel like he was just waiting to take advantage - and did when he invited himself over. Doesn't excuse Ross's behavior and Rachel didn't encourage him or anything, just saying Ross wasn't wrong about Mark. And also part of his insecurity I think stemmed from him liking Rachel from high school and seeing her continuely pick other guys. Again, doesn't excuse his behavior, but adds a little more to understanding his actions. I wasn't a fan of the constant will they/won't they, and that really soured me on them I think before they even got together but I know that's a way to keep people watching.
@Iggybart05
@Iggybart05 Ай бұрын
@@Quirkyalonester that's exactly what happened, rachel goes on a date with him like an episode or 2 later to "get back at ross" for the whole copy girl thing and she brings it up to mark and laughs it off only for mark to say "oh i am interested, you were jsut taken". so the dude absolutely invited himself over whenthe fight happened, not specfiically hoping she'd sleep with him that night, but to be the "see i'm a better guy than the one you're fighting with" guy. i agree with you though, they both sucked as characters, especially for each other. ross was damn near nails on a chalkboard for me. and i really hate self centered people so rachel grated as well. come to think of it both of them are, which makes a ton of sense as to why i hate them both.
@michaelmonthey5974
@michaelmonthey5974 28 күн бұрын
Thank you MsMojo for sparing me the trouble for watching these shows.
@CatoNumbla
@CatoNumbla Ай бұрын
The problem is that Rachel's fans are always making excuses for her, even though she's done more terrible things than any other character on the show, yet they refuse to understand Ross' human mistakes. Yes, sleeping with Chloe was a mistake, but it wasn't a conscious betrayal. Rachel had broken up with Ross earlier, and that is an indisputable fact, and it wasn't a 'break' but a final breakup, because Rachel went to Ross the next morning and asked if she could be his girlfriend again - again - so yes, it was a final breakup. But of course, even if it was a final breakup, Ross still made the mistake of sleeping with Chloe right away, and no one is saying it wasn't a mistake, but there are some extenuating circumstances. First of all, Ross was drunk and Chloe has taken advantage of drunk Ross. It's clear when you watch that scene at the bar between Ross and Chloe that Chloe was just waiting for this opportunity because she's always fancied Ross. And Ross was drunk, so Ross never slept with Chloe because he wanted to, consciously, no one has complete control over themselves when they're drunk. So the truth is that Ross and Rachel were both right and wrong, and since they both never stopped loving each other, deep down, as their entire history has proven, they both should have swallowed their pride and tried to compromise and get back together much earlier. Ross and Rachel were a classic on-an-off couple, and the fact that fans and the media are still, to this day, having passionate discussions about their relationship proves that they were a brilliantly written on-an-off couple, that's the irony :)
@vickyvansane5092
@vickyvansane5092 29 күн бұрын
Beeing drunk ist no excuse. Ross just fucked up and instead of seeing what he has done (hurting Rachel) he just yelled again and again that they were on a break... yeah well, this also doesn't make it better, because if you were on just a break, than this is still cheating especially when you do it like 2 hours after the phone call.
@Freedomlives33
@Freedomlives33 28 күн бұрын
A break is a break. Rachel is just an entitled narcisst. At least he'll sleep well......HE STILL HAS HER LETTER 😂
@Zahra.Basiri
@Zahra.Basiri Ай бұрын
I'm totally with rachel on the whole "we were on a break" shit. Even if they were on a break, what ross did was unforgivable. If I had a boyfriend who claimed he was head over heels in love with me, but went on and slept with another woman a few hours after we'd broken up, I'd be devastated, and they hadn't even broken up, they were just "on a break".
@Geekabibble
@Geekabibble Ай бұрын
Yes, a break isn't breaking up. Otherwise they would have said they were over and broken up...not on a break.
@ToCam-fl8ry
@ToCam-fl8ry Ай бұрын
@@Geekabibble they were over, and Rachel literally said it, stop twisting it. Rachel went the next morning to Ross to ask if she could be his girlfriend again - so they were over, period!
@farahjichi4617
@farahjichi4617 Ай бұрын
​@@GeekabibbleI can't believe you idiots can't see that Rachel obviously meant it as a break up...
@farahjichi4617
@farahjichi4617 Ай бұрын
If you have a boyfriend that you choose to break with, why the fl would you expect loyalty from him?? So self centered don't my think..he won't want to be back with someone who broken with him so easily either right??
@annaleefuerstenau4286
@annaleefuerstenau4286 6 күн бұрын
​@Geekabibble that's how I've always seen it. A break literally by definition means that it is temporary and the previous arrangement will resume. Asking to be his gf again simply means she's asking if he's ready to resume. Apparently, though, there are a couple ways to interpret her language, as evidenced by the heated arguments happening in the comments. I'm okay with that... maybe we all should be more open to hearing different perspectives and consider them thoughtfully, without judgements. Personally, I always thought Ross was in the wrong, but it didn't make me hate him. Characters need flaws, and at least this was not a recurring thing with him. I mean, really, if we're going to hate on anyone in that show, shouldn't it be Joey? No consideration or even the slightest bit of respect for women.
@erauprcwa
@erauprcwa 28 күн бұрын
I stopped watching "Grey's Anatomy" after Alex Karev left. 16 years of character development was ruined with that letter. Just episodes prior, he made a vow to Jo that he wouldn't leave her, like his dad did to his mom and family, when his mom had a breakdown and then BOOM! That's exactly what he did to Jo. Jo was hated at first when she came in, but eventually became a very likable character due to her storyline of domestic violence and sexual assault. She (the actress) gave a great portrayal of trauma and PTSD and how to cope and deal with said trauma. Only to be traumatized again by the one person who should've known better. Justin Chambers wanted to leave the show, but it would've been better to kill his character rather than have him ghost everyone.
@elisabethelias681
@elisabethelias681 Ай бұрын
The last time I liked SJP was in 1995, when she played in Ed Wood. After that she became arrogant and completely unrelateable.
@tessajones9393
@tessajones9393 29 күн бұрын
This was a great list!!
@taurnguard
@taurnguard 28 күн бұрын
Re: Ross and Rachel: It was more her fault than his. When she told him she wanted 'a break from us', that doesn't sound like she wants to get back together in less than two days, much less ever. AND, inviting into your apartment THAT NIGHT the ONE person Ross was not trusting with her is a completely heartless and brainless move.
@zuzukris4952
@zuzukris4952 Ай бұрын
I never hated any of these characters. I guess because people make mistakes, and humans in general are sometimes selfish, mean, stupid, total jerks! You know, because we’re not perfect! I don’t know why making mistakes means your life should be ruined or everyone should hate you, but it’s pretty f’ed up! It’s ok to stumble and fall. How easy it is to point out other people’s failings so we don’t have to look at our own. 🙄 Most people are redeemable, even tv characters who may display things that we don’t agree with. It doesn’t make them awful! It just makes them flawed humans. Also, CARRIE DIDN’T BREAK UP WITH AIDEN!! He was pressuring her to wear her ring, and set a date. She wasn’t ready, and he’s the one who decided that she never would, which was idiotic!! He left. He broke it off. Go watch the show.
@marinaIloveNY
@marinaIloveNY Ай бұрын
Couldn't agree more about everything you said
@destinychild4659
@destinychild4659 27 күн бұрын
I totally agree. If someone kills other character or some truly horrible thing that might me make hate that character or in some instances, stop watching. I find Carrie's mistakes not that bad for tv-show. It's not reality. I feel these days, people just want to watch totally 100% healthy relationships, but would anyone really watch, when nothing happens. 🤣🤣🤣 This is drama and fiction, after all. 😂
@katiepicard9186
@katiepicard9186 Ай бұрын
Sorry I’ve ways been with Ross on the “we were on a break” thing.
@raimeyewens7518
@raimeyewens7518 28 күн бұрын
The episode on FRIENDS where Monica expects Chandler to spend his whole life savings on one day (their wedding) irritated me. Just because it was her dream wedding. What about every day after the wedding? I would rather start off my marriage with financial security than blow it all on one day. That’s just ridiculous to me. And I’m a woman. We had a smaller wedding and used ours for a down payment on a home to start our family in. To each their own I guess.
@kurikuri6683
@kurikuri6683 Ай бұрын
When Watson kinda cheated on his wife Mary with the bus girl. It broke my heart! This whole episode of Sherlock broke my heart, sherlocks behavior as well
@uzo7910
@uzo7910 Ай бұрын
11:37 - lovely video but it was Daenerys’ dragon, Drogon not dragons. At that point she only had one as the other two had sadly died.
@launchpadmcquack8142
@launchpadmcquack8142 Ай бұрын
Nah. Carrie and Aidan weren't right for each other. And she didn't actually break up with him. She didn't want to rush in to marriage because she wasn't sure, and he clearly didn't trust her and was trying to force the marriage to make up for that lack of trust. He basically gave her an ultimatum - get married now or never get married. She said she didn't know if she'd ever be ready for marriage and so he left. To me, this was the right decision for both characters. The cheating should have been what was on the list.
@malikabernard966
@malikabernard966 Ай бұрын
Yup my thoughts exactly. Aidan was the one who ended it. The cheating was the worst thing Carrie did. Not wanting to get married because you’re unsure is better than rushing into marriage just to make your partner trust you.
@newageBoundhippie
@newageBoundhippie Ай бұрын
Lorelai Gilmore ( Gilmore Girls )- giving Luke an ultimatum & then sleeping with Christopher ( though that at least gave us the punch & the fight in the square but as much as I loved seeing Christopher get his ass kicked it wasn't worth the dumb plotline ) Luke Danes ( Gilmore Girls )- not including his FIANCE when he found out he had a daughter Lucifer ( Supernatural )- just being way too overused Cole ( Charmed )- refusing to stay dead
@laurafabianmarrero
@laurafabianmarrero Ай бұрын
The cole one has me in tears 😂😂😂😂 Cause is so true
@dariko7175
@dariko7175 Ай бұрын
After years... Aiden was not so picture perfect. He tried to change Carrie and impose these changes on her (give up smoking, her flat repairs, living with a dog and other big and small stuff)... And at the same time it is mirrored ac Carrie constantly tried to change Big when Big stated certain things at the very beginning and said he won't change his ways. So Carrie constantly tried to make Big change but did not like this attitude when Aiden did the same towards her. So for me they were just not good for each other and their breakup was inevitable. The moments which "ruined" Carrie for me were 1) when she accused Charlotte for keeping her engagement ring instead of selling it to lend Carrie money 2) a smaller but strong (for me) moment when she (with that cigarette) was rummaging through a guy's stuff in his apartment when he went away and tried to break in his locked box in order to find his "dark secrets".
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