MSR Whisperlite Universal Stove + Mods(Alcohol)

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Camping Hack #0

Camping Hack #0

6 жыл бұрын

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@scott1152
@scott1152 6 ай бұрын
The issue with geting alcohol to burn in the stove, as it is, is the venturi is too large (there is too much air coming in the large holes on both sides of the brass center piece) and the reason you would need to increase the hole of the fuel jet (more fuel to mix with the air). The same metering (balance) can be achieved by decreasing the air. I have used (on occasion) a piece of foil, folded to about 5/8-3/4" wide, and maybe 5-6" long, to wrap around the brass center piece of the stove, covering up the large holes on both sides. Then take a tent peg to poke two holes through the foil, one on each side (where the large holes are covered) and use the same jet I use for white gas. The tent peg ends up making a hole about the size of a pencil, for reference, maybe a little smaller. The issue with burning alcohol isn't what mods you have to make to the stove - its that the alcohol eats up the inside of the pump. I guess the plastic MSR uses gets dissolved over time.
@scott1152
@scott1152 6 ай бұрын
Full disclosure: I have the Whisperlite Internationale, purchased in 1988, which uses a different pump than used today so there may not be the same issue with using alcohol..
@maxinpains6937
@maxinpains6937 3 жыл бұрын
You can use exact knife handle to hold those drill bit. 😉
@JoshuaJohnsonOutdoors
@JoshuaJohnsonOutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
Cool project! Just as a friendly comment - alcohol will react chemically with aluminum (and eventually cause pitting / damage).
@campinghack0675
@campinghack0675 5 жыл бұрын
Joshua Johnson I’m not sure about that chemical reaction. I am sure alcohol will displace water, water which would accelerate oxidation on reactive materials in the presence of heat. Anyway I had fun getting alcohol to burn in this stove. There is no way MSR would honor any warranty and I accept that fact. Be super cautious with mod it has good potential to be dangerous. Have fun!
@the_guardians_of_the_universe
@the_guardians_of_the_universe 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, alcohol with eaten out aluminum and also plastics. But I'm sure the plastic quality of MSR fuel-pump is the very hard one, it'll take decades for alcohol to eat the plastic pump out. Also one of the ways to anticipate this is to use the lacquered fuel-bottle, 1 good product is the fuel-bottle from Primus. One other thing about water, there will surely be some percentage of water left in the fuel-bottle, or in the fuel-line, or in the jet chamber. We can get rid of this small percentage of water by using petrol as a fuel for some longer time. It will flush the water out.
@maxinpains6937
@maxinpains6937 3 жыл бұрын
@@the_guardians_of_the_universe Yes , I totally forgot my alcohol inside of MSR fuel bottle . It's eat it up inside
@the_guardians_of_the_universe
@the_guardians_of_the_universe 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxinpains6937 yes, unless the aluminium fuel bottle's inside is lacquered. I need to learn how to lacquer the inside of an aluminium bottle. Primus Fuel bottle's inside is already lacquered, so it is safer to store alcohol inside.
@BlauerTeeLp
@BlauerTeeLp Жыл бұрын
So not the stove itself is affected but only the fuel bottle which is a lot less expensive when damaged. The reaction between alcohol and aluminum is very slow at room temperature. There wont be any contact between hot alcohol and aluminum, so i guess you just shouldn't store the alcohol in the aluminum bottle for extended periods of time. Considering all this, this seems not at all like a no go or big risk to me.
@m1sh99
@m1sh99 3 жыл бұрын
Good day. Thank you for uploading. Did I hear you correctly? You used the 1/32 bit inside of a pin vice and then inserted the pin vice into a drill press to actually do the reaming process? I'm curious, if in your opinion, lacking a drill press, could it be done by the mechanism of the pin vice alone. Meaning with finger power only. My initial thoughts on this would the accuracy of the ream once complete. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Have a great day!
@BlauerTeeLp
@BlauerTeeLp Жыл бұрын
The stove stutters on alcohol because it draws too much air. It is easy to add air control to the stove using a 16mm wide brass tube drilling a hole through it (the size of the air inlet), cutting it open on one side, bending it open and close it around the air inlet of the stove. This modification is sufficient to burn alcohol (with the UG jet) and you wouldn't even lose warranty, but if you wanna get a big flame, you need to do the drilling too.
@itrstt66
@itrstt66 8 ай бұрын
i got confused a midst of the instructions... how does the cut and bend part plays off? and where would that tube go?
@BlauerTeeLp
@BlauerTeeLp 8 ай бұрын
@@itrstt66 just look at this to see what I meant: etrike.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/msr-whisperlight-alcohol-mod/ With the newer whisper Lite I think it's impossible to just slide the air control over the inlet holes, so you have to cut it open on one side and then bend it around.
@scott1152
@scott1152 6 ай бұрын
I made a permanent one out of a piece of brass pipe. I had to sand the inside of the pipe to make it fit snug. Drilled two holes on each side the same size as the brass center piece holes. So I just line up the holes for normal use, and then I can twist the pipe to gradually close the holes if needed for alcohol. Otherwise its just a piece you don't even notice/use. ****do not attempt to adjust the air intake during use**** It will be very hot.. =)
@itrstt66
@itrstt66 5 ай бұрын
@@scott1152 Can you post the emasures for that piece? and are you saying you use it with which jet?
@scott1152
@scott1152 5 ай бұрын
@@itrstt66 Sorry, I was out of town.. Purchased a small piece of 5/8” brass pipe (internal diameter) from hardware store (12” long) You could also use copper pipe.. Marked the pipe for length (0.500”) but did not cut yet because I wanted to have the length while drilling the holes on both sides. Holes on each side pipe were drilled with (27/64”) drill bit (you could use a 7/16” bit). Then I cut pipe off to the (1/2”) length and started sanding a little on the inside to make it round so it would turn smoothly on the center piece of the stove. Also sanded down the outside just to make it less thick, but not necessary for function. Assembled the stove holding the pipe in-between the legs during assembly, and put the primer pan back on.. Pretty simple. If you have the access, you could weld a short piece of brass rod to turn it a little easier, and maybe during use to fine tune the flame, but also not necessary. For me the opening needed for alcohol is about 1/3 open (2/3 closed..). Internal diameter - .625” Height/Length - .500” Holes - .425” Thickness (not really relevant) .075"
@antonyheisler1453
@antonyheisler1453 6 ай бұрын
You suggest there is not much kerosene used or available in your area. You would still have diesel everywhere. Diesel and kerosene are perfectly interchangeable in heaters, stoves, and furnaces. The same applies to home heating oil and jet fuel. Jet fuel is just very pure kerosene. You can run diesel in an oil furnace perfectly but it's more expensive because of the road taxes applied.
@itrstt66
@itrstt66 8 ай бұрын
did you do alcohol, white gas and propane with the homemade mod jet?
@Radoslaw731
@Radoslaw731 3 жыл бұрын
if the beter procent alcohol like 96% ethanol there's very, very litle water i believe or non. So that alcohol could be good for MSR international?
@maxinpains6937
@maxinpains6937 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but don't leave the alcohol in aluminum tank. It's gonna damage inside of the tank.
@AK4PJ
@AK4PJ 5 жыл бұрын
I'm just curious if you tried to use denatured alcohol or heet in any of the other jets before your modified your UK jet?. If so what were your results before I try it?
@campinghack0675
@campinghack0675 5 жыл бұрын
No sir I’m sorry to report that I did not try it with any other jets.
@the_guardians_of_the_universe
@the_guardians_of_the_universe 3 жыл бұрын
I've tried using the Kerosene and also Petrol jets, the alcohol was burning when in liquid form. But when it hot enough to heat alcohol into gas form, the flame went out, leaving only hissing sound and alcohol gas smells. I use 98% absolute alcohol and also in another moment I've used 96% Pure Grain Alcohol. The best alcohol I've found is 99.99% from Merck, it's anhydrous/dehydrated alcohol with very low toxicity, and also very low water composition.
@josesito2899
@josesito2899 5 жыл бұрын
Is completely necessary make the modification of the stove to burn alcohol?
@campinghack0675
@campinghack0675 5 жыл бұрын
All that I can say is: I did not have success burning alcohol until I drilled the UK jet.
@josesito2899
@josesito2899 5 жыл бұрын
Ohhh, thank you,, i just bought a msr stove, and i dont know if i can try burn it with alcohol
@LowLumens
@LowLumens 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve burned alcohol in a coleman apex stove and figured out how to make it run similar to camp fuel. Alcohol is a lot cleaner burning. ! I’ve done a similar mod to my whisperlite and now it burns alcohol just fine. Cool video.
@Radoslaw731
@Radoslaw731 3 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to burn alcohol without the modification??
@campinghack0675
@campinghack0675 3 жыл бұрын
I couldn’t make it happen. The flame just “spits” too much.
@Radoslaw731
@Radoslaw731 3 жыл бұрын
@@campinghack0675 thanks m8
@darrendesilvavideo
@darrendesilvavideo 5 жыл бұрын
Is there a way I can talk to you about this mod? Email? Thanks.
@campinghack0675
@campinghack0675 5 жыл бұрын
darrendesilvavideo we can try going back and forth right here if that’s okay. What’s up? How can I be of service my man?
@darrendesilvavideo
@darrendesilvavideo 5 жыл бұрын
I want to know if I can pay you the for the service to modify my UK jet. I'm an American living overseas and finding the drill bit is difficult, and I don't have a drill press. I can source a spare from MSR USA, drop ship it to you, then you can USPS to my USA shipping forwarding address in NY. Thanks for the consideration.@@campinghack0675
@campinghack0675
@campinghack0675 5 жыл бұрын
darrendesilvavideo no problem. Send it to PO Box 757 Harrison Arkansas 72602. No cost to you as long as you agree to read the book of Matthew in the Bible.
@darrendesilvavideo
@darrendesilvavideo 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I didn't see this reply until now. I've read the book of Matthew and will read it again! It's been a while since the last time. Thanks, will organize it.@@campinghack0675
@darrendesilvavideo
@darrendesilvavideo 5 жыл бұрын
MSR is sending one your way for me. Great customer service. Thanks to you too! My forwarding address: Darren DeSilva 182-21 150th Avenue MCT 136071 Springfield Gardens, NY 11413 United States
@cousinrobloxbattles9533
@cousinrobloxbattles9533 6 жыл бұрын
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