And he handled it very well 🙂

mates? is that like friends?

@@suzycreamcheesez4371 yes thats exactly what he meant when said mates. Some europeans refer to their friends as mates.

This woulda been absolutely perfect background viewing after a night out.

It truly is absolutely mind-boggling... O.O Is it just that back in the day there were higher standards in entertainment or something ?

Bill Corbett didn't get anywhere near the amount of recognition he deserved, either.

Meat Trademark MN

+TaiChiKnees My impression is that at times there has been more or less tension, like a rock band, or any work environment really. I love Rifftrax, particularly the live shows! But Cinematic Titanic--Joel's group with Trace Beaulieu, J. Elvis Weinstein, Frank Conniff and Mary Jo Pehl--was just as funny and just as much a successor to MST3K. In the film clips on the Kickstarter, Joel explained that the MST3K rights were tied up in court for a long time, it wasn't between them it was with the channel or something, one big reason that hadn't tried any kind of re-boot until now. But now that's all fixed, and it's obvious they are sharing the rights because Rifftrax started showing old MST3Ks on their website. Joel broke up Cinematic Titanic (at the time I didn't know why but I suppose he was starting to work on the new MST3K), and Mary Jo Pehl is working at Rifftrax now, so clearly no bad feelings there. I've also seen members of the two groups tweet to each other and the like. When the Kickstarter showed up, Mike posted on Facebook, after clearly being badgered relentlessly with questions, that Rifftrax was his baby while on MST3K he had been a hired hand, and he was happy for them but he wasn't involved. (I'm sure I didn't paraphrase that perfectly, but the update is way too old to find on Facebook at this point.) Later Joel, who of course was bombarded with questions as well, posted a video clip update on Kickstarter saying anyone could come back as creative talent if they wanted to. He posted a longer answer, this was from only a few days after the Kickstarter started so he had no idea they'd get all the funding - "Question #2: What about everyone else? Are the other MST3K writers and actors coming back? This is the hardest question to answer, because there are several moving pieces involved. Right now, I don't know who will agree to come back and work on the next season of MST3K… but if the Kickstarter is successful, everyone will be invited to take part. Until yesterday, I wasn't even sure this whole Kickstarter idea would work. I've reached out and spoken with some of the old cast and writers, but until I knew how much money we'd have to work with - and when we'd start writing and shooting - there was just no way to make the specific offers that I hope will bring many of them back. Plus - as many of you know - so far, the old cast haven't been compensated as well as they (or I) might have liked. I wish I could go back and fix that, but if I'm going to ask them to participate in the next season, I want to be certain we can pay them what they deserve this time. As soon as we pass our initial goal of $2,000,000, I'm hoping to start making the invitations official, and I hope some of them will be able to join us before we start working in January. But there's another thing I should say here: As much as I love the old seasons, we're not just trying to make an "MST3K reunion episode." Even if we do get our entire old cast and staff to come help out, I think it's important - essential- that we bring in new talent to keep the show fresh, and to help it evolve. To do that, it's important that we bring in the next Host, the next Mad, and the next robot voices. And if everything goes well, there'll be a dozen more after them... At the same time, I'd love to work with the entire old team again. Mystery Science Theater 3000 became the show you know and love because our writers and actors were - and are - some of the smartest, funniest people I've ever worked with. If they have time to come back for the next season, I'll be so excited to work with them again. But even if everyone comes back, we'll never be able to reproduce the magic of how those old episodes feel to you. No one ever could. People usually think that the “best year in music” was they year they turned eighteen. In the same way, the “best year of MST3K" - for you - will probably always be the year you turned 13, or 16, or 18, and your parents finally sprung for the good cable package. To misquote Rick James, nostalgia is a helluva drug. We can't compete with your memories, and it would be kind of silly to try. But we can try to make something that today's kids (and adults!) can discover, that will give them the same feeling you once had. And hopefully give you long-time fans something new to enjoy, too. That's the goal, anyway." So I don't think it's as dire as you may think, and I wouldn't be surprised if they did a few cameos and such to make the fans happy. I am very excited for the new MST3K, I think Felicia Day and Patton Oswald will be great, and I know the writing will be great like every other project any of the old MST3K crew has done.

Verena Hodge Thank you so much for posting such a long reply. Now I have warm fuzzy feelings about the entire venture!

I know what you are talking about, but I don't think that is the case. iirc it was Jim Mallon and Joel who didn't get along and Jim was the reason Joel left the show. I think Joel, Bill, and Mike all get along and are probably friends.

Yeah Jim Mallon is basically the reason for any drama. Everyone has had some kinda bad history with the guy. Trace left the show cause when they switch to Sci-Fi he found out that Mallon had creative control rights on Forrester and Crow. and I think I heard an interview with Mike where he said he doesnt gets any royalties cause of Mallon.

Was it Jim Mallon who had the MST3K show rights tied up? (Until recently when Joel started working on the new show.)

Lukas Sprehn I've always thought Crow was childlike too, he asks such innocent and naive questions like children do; it's like they're written with sarcasm but Trace delivers them so genuinely you can't be mad 💖

+Aaron Lamb Those might be things that they talk about in the other parts of the documentary.

TBH, I think they the reason why Joel and Trace left, as to not rub salt into the wounds. I think Frank left because he didn't like how the series was made post-KTMA.

Frank was NOT at KTMA... He joined MST3k AFTER it started at Comedy Central. He was there second season through the sixth as a writer and actor. I frankly think (no pun intended) the show was better with him as one of the Mads. The chemistry was NEVER the same after he left. The show survived well enough after Joel left and they transitioned to Mike but I do think the combination of Frank and Trace as the Mads made a HUGE difference to the show. There's no as many people who prefer the "Pearl years" over previous seasons and very few people who think the first year at either KTMA or Comedy Central was the best. There were a number of guys who joined AFTER that first year at KTMA. Kevin Murphy was one of the few who was there FROM THE BEGINNING to the end. A lot of the other guys came on AFTER the show was picked up by Comedy Central -- that would be most of the people who actually wrote for the show because they were actually getting paid salaries after the pick-up by Comedy Central.

@@AvengerII My golden age for MST3K is Frank, Dr. Forrester Mike and of course the Bots. Just my opinion of course.

+Helblind Might have been too busy. They're on the road a lot doing RiffTrax Live.

This is 2 years old.

Do you favor Trace's Crow, or Bill's?

@@Thompsongs Trace

Not a satisfying ending. It feels more like, "Okay we're gonna run out of tape so we have to stop."

+Maliki Lagiban The website claims my device is unable to view it. My devices being my macbook, phone and PC using multiple browsers unforunately...

RedBairnPhotography must be becuse im international

+MrSpookyFYAD MST3K is pretty much a bridge to a lot of other pop culture.

+Venomex In the "Rifftrax/MST3K" reunion, Kevin Murphy liked both actors, and he said, and I quote, "Two of my favorite Crows, in the same room!"

Indeed.

Yeah, Joel's a pretty cool guy; he's got good taste in music, too... (I mean, Prince? What's not to line? ^_^)

Or like actually... teaches me to comment on low sleep.

+Thomas Dickensheets *than (Just thought I'd correct your Prodigy/AOL-era useless comment.)