About 10 years back, I emerged from London Bridge tube station, to a sea of police in full Riot gear in the mainline station. The nearest copper told me to "Give it 15 minutes or so". Before trying to board a train. "What happened?" I asked, "Some sort of terrorist incident?" "Worse." He replied "Millwall were playing *I forget the team* AND LOST!"

"Ahhhh makes sense", said all Brits as soon as you said its in Millwall.

“It has an anti aircraft gun, in case there’s any wayward Millwall fans” priceless!

Cup of tea, full English breakfast and new jago video. Name a better combination, I’ll wait... the perfect Sunday treat

As a little brown boy in the 70’s born in the east end, Millwall made me terrified. I remain grateful for “Mudchute”.

My (crap) teenage band in the 90s was called Mudchute after the station

"Last time I went to the Den, a football match kept interrupting the fights." An old 70s joke.

We called it mudchute as a kid .When we were kids it was a derelict piece of land that they had the guns on from the war .Was a great place to play as a kid .

Actually I like the name Mudchute; it gives a sense of character.

As I remember, when the DLR opened in 1986, one of it's 'mission statements' was that it's stations were to be on a smaller scale than Underground stations, not only in size but in the area they served. One thing they very much wanted to avoid was the Undergrounds custom of using terms like 'east, west, central' and so on, when naming stations. And so smaller local neighbourhoods, roads and features were to be adopted. A good example was the renaming of Stepney East to Limehouse. So a little local oddity like the Mudchute was very much keeping to this rather than the more general area, Millwall ...though it's true that the DLR didn't want lost fans wandering onto their system looking for a Club that had moved to New Cross seventy-odd years ago! (Funnily enough, when my cousin and his friends came over from Ireland and went to watch Queens Park Rangers, they missed the kick-off as they naturally went to Queens Park station thinking that's where QPR's ground must be!)

"Millwall looks like bumholes but we can't call it that..." "I've got an idea!"

Always concerning to have clinkers around one's mudchute.

The anti-aircraft gun being 'in case of wayward Millwall fans' - if there isn't a plaque next to it that says this, there should be.

On behalf of the Mudchute Massive I'd just like to say how nice it is to have the plight of our poor naming brought to attention. None of the other TFL stations take us seriously and quite frankly it hurts.

Note of interest,Wher Mudchute is now, was aproximatly whre Hawkins and Tipsom Ropemakers works were.I worked there in 1966. On a Wednesday evening. as overtime, my job was to sweep the Ropewalk. A very long shed( Quater mile). There were two Bogies on a small railtraks, which spun the Hemp or cycil yarn into Rope

As a millwall fan I enjoyed this and have to say it was a fair reflection of the times. A lot has changed for the better since the 80s though. Growing up on the south side of the river, like many other millwall fans, I knew nothing about the actual area of millwall and have only ever been there once just to have a look at the park where one of the former grounds was located. So as usual Jago has been very informative! One minor point - when the football club first left the isle of dogs in 1910 it moved to the den in new cross and not Bermondsey. It was only in the 90s when the club moved to the new den it was technically in Bermondsey! Keep up the fantastic work jago!

Funnily enough, the father of a girl I went out with in the 80s was responsible for the new name. He was on the station naming panel and suggested that the station be named after the farm.

They'd rather you were "getting off at Mudchute" than "Gan dan Miwaaw".

I was on the DLR coming from Deptford Bridge. When we got to Mudchute a bunch of Australian blokes jumped off, posed for a photo under the Mudchute sign and quickly jumped back on.

As a child in the early 70s, I was often taken to the mudchute to slide down the inner slopes on a flattened cardboard box, excellent cheap adventure park \m/

“A visit to Mudchute Farm” was a chapter in my kid’s English textbook. So we went there. They have an AA gun there🤷🏻‍♂️. It was nice. It was raining. It was ........ muddy!

I used to live in Staines. They added "-upon-Thames" to polish it up.

Back in the late 70s early 80s I used to go to the Mudchute Farm, it seemed massive then, for a city kid to get pony rides was a real treat then. The Isle of Dogs wasn’t a desirable place to go either then, rough as f&!@ was one of the nicer things it was called. I think there was just one bus route on and off the island as there was nothing there apart from residents who very rarely ventured off the island and business relating to the docks, which were all being wound down. The opening of an Asda near the Muschute at the start of the Enterprise Zone development was the start of the rejuvenation of the area.

Mudchute is a good name for the station. The nearby Mudchute City Farm was established on a huge mound of mud formed when the nearby docks were built all those years ago, so Mudchute is very apt. In the 80s I planted a lot of trees there and they're now doing very well!

"The dock Engineering, Frederic Dockham" That man found his dream career, I see

I dont live in London.... I dont even live in the UK.... But I absolutely love your videos! They give me a break in the day, with its infusion of information, great photography and that lovely “dry” sense of humor😉👍👍👍 Its always a great pleasure to watch, and learn from. I cant wait to visit London again, when the world is again a better and safer place. Thank you for the “spirit boost” 👍👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰

I think there was also a geographical element in not calling it Millwall Park. By the 1980s, the football team had been playing south of the Thames for so long, that, outside of the Docklands area, people were probably more aware of Millwall as a South London football team than as an area of the Isle of Dogs. Therefore, calling it Millwall Park may have caused some confusion. Although one would hope that passengers would have noticed that they hadn't gone over or under the Thames!

Before we moved to just around the corner, we were thrilled there was a DLR station for our commute to Bank. By the time we'd moved in, it had been demolished. Had to catch trains from Crossharbour (for the London Arena) for ages.

Over here in NYC we’ve got a station with competing etymologies, but the root is assumed to be a bit more darker: “Spuyten Duyvil”, a station on the Metro-North commuter network. Quick reminder that New York started out as a Dutch colony, so a lot of Dutch is left in our lexicon, which creates a interesting mix of Native American, Dutch and English names. The name is thought to ether mean “Spouting Devil” or “To Spite the Devil”.

Moor Park (Metropolitan Line) spelled backwards is Krap Room

You know, this offers a possible solution to the problem that you raised in last week's episode about Covent Garden having too many passengers. If they rename "Covent Garden" station as "Football Hooligan In Your Face" station, I'll lay odds that there will be a drop off in usage to more manageable levels. There may be a little trouble fitting the new name onto the roundels though. One problem at a time, please.

As a young fan in the 70’s, I was well aware of Millwall’s rep. In a wider sense, football was an altogether different game then! A mate used to be in a local “firm”. The stories I heard about were strong stuff. These guys were a lot more organised than the at-the-time police even suspected. As usual, great vid & very well researched Jago.

Pursers on the Old Kent Road - sadly no longer there, the VW garage I mean - used to owned by the people who owned Millwall FC. They even built a balcony, where they would be able to show off trophies won - the eternal optomists - however Saturday afternoons the Sales manager would get the call " get all the cars off the front, we lost and crowd ain't happy". This story was told to me by the last of the family owners when we purchased dealership from them.

There's nothing wrong with funny names for stations. They add character and interest.

Millwall actually looks very nice! It’s worth noting that Millwall FC have actually won family club of the year for their community work recently.

As a gigging muso in the 80s I had a Saturday night residency for a few weeks at the Valentine and Orson, in Bermondsey; me on organ plus a drummer. We did London singalongs, rock 'n' roll, the usual stuff. Occupying the two tables nearest us, and by 10.30, yelling 'No one like us!'...were the Bushwackers. I was happy to get out of there!

It certainly is an unexpected name, alongside some of the other pleasanter-sounding places (Canary Wharf, Heron Quays, Island Gardens) but avoiding that unfortunate connection with Millwall certainly makes a lot of sense. But there’s a certain robust, directness to it. Rather than some jobsworth-derived euphemism or some of the dreadfully fake-sounding names given to modern housing estates. And it actually has solid historic precedent, being the name of something that was once actually there, or thereabouts. Probably the least-worst they could find, but congrats to them for sticking to their guns and not inventing something totally false…

I've never lived in London but it's fascinating to learn about the little snippets of history behind buildings and railways and such, your videos are very enjoyable

I walk past the park and farm all the time and have never been in, never knew about the AA Gun. Now I have to go explore next time I am down there. Intriguing!

It wasn't British football clubs that were banned from European competitions in 1985, but only English ones. Clubs from the UK's other nations were completely unaffected by the ban.

One of Millwall FC's early grounds on the island was on the old mudchutes, the players used to complain about the smell that they couldn't wash off! 🤢 Also local residents were against calling the station Millwall because they were concerned about away fans turning up there thinking the Den was near by. 🦁👍

As a train enthusiast & football fan (my father supports Millwall!) can I just say thank you for producing such a factual and unbiased video! Football had had, and has, its problems but as somebody who works in the arts, it’s an easy target since it’s popular and gets a lot of unnecessary flack. This is a just and fair assessment!

During the 1977/78 football season the BBC made a documentary about Millwall called F-Troop, Treatment & The Half-Way Line

Jago, have you seen the film The Firm with Gary Oldman? There’s an interesting line at the end of the film when one of the actors, in character says an improvised line, “if they stop us from going to football we’ll just go elsewhere, it’s doesn’t matter if it’s football, snooker or darts, they’ll never stop us from doing this because it’s who we are and our way of having fun”.

I once saw Swindon town v Millwall. The game was rubbish, but the dog handling by the police was really impressive.... Thanks JJ.

Some of the football terrace is still visible in Millwall park.

I used to live there. You got all the facts. Well done. Used to use the old Island Gardens too.

I travel through Mudchute station almost every day to get to South Quay. I even saw a train at platform 3 once. Millwall’s most infamous moment came at Luton in March 1985. They moved out of the old Den in 1993 into their new all seater ground. There’s even a farm at Mudchute.

London football: where Millwall play in Bermondsey, West Ham play in Stratford, Arsenal play in Islington, Chelsea play in Fulham and Crystal Palace play in Croydon.

If they ever release a Jago Hazard edition of Trivial Pursuit, I'm first in the queue!

I alway got the impression someone was throwing a bin via a chute from one of them tower blocks and hence the name 😭

What an amusing tale. "Millwall," a fairly innocuous name for the area, had such a toxic association that "Mudchute" was better.

I remember when I was living in Oxford, I came out of my office and was face to face with several police horses. I asked the police constable on top of the horse whether there was an EDL march or whether there was just a football match. She replied "Millwall are playing. So both"

Maybe you could do a video on the Millwall Docks and Thames Iron Works to explain the rivalry between West Ham ( the irons) and Millwall

It's said that the reason South Bermondsey station retains a wooden platform and very basic passenger shelters is that it's the nearest station to Milwall FC's ground and giving it an upgrade was seen as a total waste of money.

as bad the Millwall is... at least it isn't Slough.

I've always wondered about that name and had assumed it was a relic of 19th century industrialisation, which proves to be correct! But I like it, it has a sort of quaint locational honesty about it in a calling a spade a spade sort of way. No no, the worst-named station in London is also on the DLR: Abbey Road. There's only one Abbey Road and it isn't in the depths of the Essex marshes.

I’ve been waiting for this video for so long 🤣 Now we need one about Gallion’s Reach which sounds like it belongs in the Silmarillion.

I visited the den a few years ago for a game against Derby County. It was my first visit & i didnt really know what to expect after hearing all the stories and seeing THAT movie. Imagine my surprised face when I witnessed proud signs inside the stadium like "Voted Best family club in Championship 201X". Times really have changed... Atleast until a promotion

I like your videos and style. I haven't travelled on the DLR in over 20 years so it's great to see some of the updates. I used it a lot when it first opened and didn't even know Mudchute and Island Gardens had moved until I watched this. Keep them coming please.

Hey Jago Thankfully, I only ever policed a single game at the Den. It wasn’t pleasant! I remember seeing a WPC being picked up by a bunch of hooligans, who were supporting the visiting team, who then in turn launched her down a flight of terrace stairs! Oh, the fun we had attempting to arrest them! My son, who is a senior civil servant within the department for jollity is an ardent fan of Millwall FC... he ain’t a bad lad! 😁

I believe St Sewage was renamed to Dalston a few years back.

It is nice to think that I have perhaps seen you on the trains around east london in my past making one of these excellent videos!

Fascinating stuff. Love these slightly longer ones

I remember first hearing about Millwall football club back in the 1980s on the American TV news program, 60 Minutes.

St. Sewage in the East should be the name of West Ham station for similar reasons and because it is adjacent to Sir Joseph Bazalgette's 'Poo pipe'. Interesting that you illustrated it with Bow Road, only two stations along the line.

Another great video! I love the subjects you think up to make a video about; truly inspired. You give history and social context that I know nothing about. 👍

I’ve never been to the UK but I always look forward to Jago’s videos (and Joolz Guide to London). My knowledge of the UK comes from being a huge Iron Maiden fan and watching “A Clockwork Orange”. Somehow, Jago puts it all into perspective.

Used to live nearby at this was my daily station. It's actually nice station and area is indeed very pleasant. Oh and btw, contrary to popular belief - the 3rd platform is actually used from time to time. I have photos to prove it xD

How about a video on the "Omphalos" in the park near Mudchute? As in "Nazi occultists seize the Omphalos". Obviously it isn't what some people think it is, but what is it actually, who built it and why is it there? It lines up exactly with the leyline that starts with Blackheath Church, runs through the central avenue of Greenwich Park and the Wolfe statute, and the Queens House, neatly dividing the Old Royal Naval College in two.

It’s closer to mudchute farm than millwall park and it is named mudchute as it is where they dumped the mud from digging the nearby docks which was moved via a chute

This is mad relevant after the Euro2020 final, great video

One other proposed name for the station was Thermopylae Gate, after the nearby gate into the MIllwall Docks (there was an attempt at the time to rebrand the whole area with that name to ditch the Millwall stench) but that was abandoned both because it was probably a bit *too* classical for the old dockers cottages and also because no bugger could spell it). Also Millwall did actually play for a while on the Mudchute (directly behind the still-standing Lord Nelson pub on the corner of East Ferry Road and Westferry Road (no, I don't know where the space went in the second one)) and contemporary press reports mention the stench from the ground and visiting teams unwillingness to slide or otherwise get themselves covered in it. One last MIllwall FC fact - a big part of the reason they moved south of the river (other than the regular crowd trouble with fans of Thames Ironworks FC, based just off the Island at Blackwall, who went on to become West Ham) was logistical - the MIllwall Extension Railway was slow and unreliable and fans from further afield than MIllwall itself struggled to get there, and the owners believed that moving to a site within walking distance of three stations on three different lines would bring a lot more fans in through the gates. Didn't work - although The Den/New Den is the closest professional ground to the centre of town and, at least until West Ham moved to Stratford, probably the easiest ground in London to get to by public transport, their average gates have never been much about 20k. Serves them right for nicking the name when they did their moonlight flit through the foot tunnel, if you ask me.

Interestingly the Passenger Information System on the DLR is still programmed with the names of a few stations that never were, or were renamed. "Bow Creek" used to come up quite frequently between Canary wharf and West India Quay as the destination on the Stratford Bound trains, "Thames Gateway" is definitely in there along with a few others which i forget. Cannot remember if Millwall Park was one of them or not.

Growing up, I once got a honking whiff of river dredge. Fortunately the powers that be were not so inspired and name the station Stinking Heaps.

I lived briefly near the Den. I'm grateful it was only a short term let, matchdays were horrendous, between folk determined to park in non existent spots blocking you in car parks, the streams of people and the police presence trying to get residents to follow the crowd even if you wanted the other way. It was only chatting to a friendlier neighbour that I discovered that we were living in the site of the Old Den which was demolished in 1995.

Now I'm not a football person either, but I'm sure that King Edward II didn't play centre-forward for Plantagenet United, although he might have scored an own goal in marrying Isabella whilst carrying on with Gaveston. Perhaps the tenuous connection is his understandable reluctance to sit on red hot pokers.

Blimey. As a Millwall fan, I was very surprised to hear their name pop up in a video about trains, but I am pleased it did. Though not just a Milllwall problem back in the day, and the fact the Millwall will be Millwall, we unfortunately were the ones that were made a scapegoat and so we got a bad rap out of it. You handled the issue with tact and I'm glad that you explained the situation we now find ourselves in! Funnily enough, what with the recent redevelopment proposal, there was talk of us getting our own station, so you never know; there may be a station called Millwall yet... Also, just to say your channel is great, I thoroughly enjoy your content, and I hope you all the best for the future and will keep watching ya for a while yet. Come on you lions!

Brilliant Gave me a good chuckle about the air craft gun. 👍😊

You are to England what Paul Hogan was to Australia in the 80s. All your history and interesting facts and stories are making me want to come see England for myself. I would love to have a look around half the places you have talked about and it even looks as if I can get to most of them by train

No mudslinging here :)

So Millwall FC fans were rowdy hooligans, well I never! That's what I like about Jago's channel, you learn something every day!

This is just brilliant. Very informative, with great humour as well. So entertaining during our days locked in.

for me it was always Kentish town. every time (and this is obviously down to my wired imagination) i got off there to do a phone repair i saw the signs and though hmm ill get some letter "U" stickers printed out.

Mr Hazzard. I noticed at 3:03 you included a photo from Bradford in West Yorkshire. The building in the background is a brutalist skyscraper called High Point completed in 1972 and lays abandoned today. I thought you'd want to learn more about it after your video about Robin Hood Gardens.

Right in the mudchute....... 🧐 Keep up the good work fella and stay safe!

Very interesting. What a meandering history behind the name! Love it!

Please keep making these wonderful videos exactly like this 👍🏻

Millwall moved to Cold Blow Lane in NewCross before they ended up in Bermondsey.

A visit to the fields of the mud chute after prolonged and torrential rain is like a trip to a bouncy castle. Try it - enjoy.

The ticket machines, as visible bottom right at 0:52, are the ones I used to work on in my last job. I spent a very long, very cold morning trying to coax the ones visible at 0:46 in the centre of the entrance, back into service. After about six hours, I was very glad of the hot food and drink available at the Mcdonald's just up the road in Limehouse!!!

Awesome history and background, surpassing even Geoff Marshall. Thanks for posting.

This was my local station when I lived on Cahir Street nearby.

I've played sports on that Mudchute Park. It's like playing on top of jelly.

Oh Jago, people really don't know the history of Millwal football club or the Isle dogs so great to share. Having worked at Millwall and been stuck inside the ground because of a riot outside the ground its all to vivid for me.

This jago is very intresting remember those stations when i collected maps took me back thanks

When the name "Millwall" isn't good enough for a station, so you call it Mudchute. Yeah, someone at TFL was having a laugh at Millwall's expense there, especially as it sounds like a dirty euphemism. Guess he wasn't an Arsenal fan then!

I like the name, we should have more unique and different names

What a way to enjoy my sunday,another great Jago video!

always learn something from your films, thank you for the social commentary