True, true, true…I would defend Cus by saying, his relationship with Floyd was love, and he just wanted Floyd to 1) Never suffer 2) Be proud of himself 3) Succeed-Win as much as possible. When your love for them, was not conditional on whether or not they became anything to the rest of the world, and understand when greedy or corrupt people could ruin or severely damage all of the goodness that has come from their relationship, and all that he’s gained through boxing. That very thing did happen, not to Floyd…But, to Iron Mike.

This is exactly what my Father said and felt. This is why he gave Liston, who nobody wanted as champion, a rightful and well deserved shot at the title

a true Warrior, totally made up for his 1st performance against Ali when his back went out. Patterson vs Chuvalo is my favorite Patterson performance. Also he was amazing against Ellis. Ali just had too much reach and speed for the guy.

He never regained the title AFTER Liston fights, but don't forget that BEFORE those fights he was the first heavyweight champion to regain the title, versus Ingemar Johansson, also beating him in the rubber match via 6th KO. 'nuff said.

​@@emekaezeokoli1287had Patterson not been cheated in the title fight against Jimmy Ellis he would have been the first 3x heavyweight champion.

❤❤Precisely

No fue el mejor no será el mejor de todos los tiempos. Lo siento.

scvzz

2x heavyweight champ. Patterson did carry the style foward

If he was one heck of a trainer then tell me all the world class boxers with whom he was associated. Reminds me of George Gainford who always spouted off about his training Robinson, but who else did he have?

D'Amato did have Jose Torres as well but he, after a decent run to winning the 175lb titles, lost twice to the 67" tall Tiger and then what? Torres had the hubris to say that he thought he had the style to beat Ali - laughable.

@@paulweir5031 Patterson, Torres, and Tyson. If that doesn't grab you, then I should read up some more. But the only trainet with rhe same record to me is Dundee.

that's right, but if you look at Frazier, he got a bomb and got right back up! Foreman, who used to smash sandbags in practice, got to punch him in the stomach for 6-7 rounds! Hardly any other boxer would have survived this! Ali's resilience was outstanding, but he paid a high price for it!

Mac, I wouldn't argue. A great trainer isn't always associated with a long list of champions. Sometimes it's about how well he worked with a small few select fighters who had stylistically what catered to the trainers strength. And sometimes you can see a Vast improvement of a fighter when he moves to a great trainer...but it doesn't always equal a championship. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Patterson could weigh as much as 195 lbs. Ali's prime weight was 205-210lbs. Your comparison seems hardly accurate.

Patterson in his prime was always on the 180 s. Go do your homework Sir.

Top contender?!? 😂😂😂 he was getting fights just because he previously held the title. After Marciano retired boxing was in a short term lul just like when Jordan retired there was a opening where the rockets beat the Knicks and Magic , that was Patterson 😂. Then along came Shaq and Kobe’s lakers and Tim Duncan’s spurs, aka Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali. 😂😂😂 Patterson is one of the weakest heavyweight champions in the history of boxing.

Good morning l could never agree .Patterson actually fought better in this fight than the first. Go watch again and score the fights with Ellis and Quarry without the commentary. I am sure you would then agree Floyd was robbed in those three fights. Patterson became a better boxer after losing his title to Liston. He would never have beaten Ali Liston Foreman or Frazier but Floyd was no bum. He was a better champion than Martin Seldon Martin Ellis and Norton just to name a few. To add to his achievements just remember he was really a light heavyweight fighting heavyweights.

Absolutely. Are the 3 genuine KDs he suffered in his career from Left hooks? Definitely points to a Left hook susceptibility.

@felcontheentertainer3314 ...Not all the time!

@wainerollins2587 ...Only when Ali was careless and cocky. The Greatest was only knocked down thrice.

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@@XiDooDiX No more virgins.Ha ha...Only in the dreams...😊But, much love for Muhammad Ali.I will remeber him forever.❤👑

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❤absolutely CORRECT and true

Only because Rocky was a cruiserweight

No way. Patterson is not close to Marciano . Patterson doesn't have Marciano's chin. Rocky 's pressure is enormous compared to Floyd. Even Floyd stood 7 rounds at old age. Prime Marciano was manifold times better.

@@sidharthk2793 stop it. Marciano would have walked right into several uppercuts with his fighting style.

Me too.Forever Muhammad Ali.I will remember.❤👑

So many sports fans criticize and dislike Cosell. For me he was the best. He called it like he saw it unlike the soft announcers of today. Perhaps he was disliked simply because he was a Jewish New Yorker. If we had Frank Gifford or Bob Costas using Cosell’s words nobody would have a problem with them.

Cosell was the best. Always called it like he saw it. Nowadays we have a bunch of bland politically correct talking heads. Some people didn’t like him simply because he was a Jewish New Yorker.

The vast majority of my generation and, the earlier ones, hated Cassius Clay (Ali). We think of him as being a loudmouth, draft dodging, egotistical Clown. A fake Muslim who cheated on every one of his 4 wives, 9 children from 6 different women. Great fighter, not the GOAT, but as a man, he was an immoral, and self-absorbed POS!

I mean like Patterson here was like 37 yrs old if im not mistaken , he didn't have the hand speed he was known for and was smaller than Ali so this fight isn't smthing impressive at all for me.

@@mr.finger9877 I mean like you are correct like Patterson was 37 like.

@@paulweir5031 Like I reckon it was like a fight like an old boxer and like a young boxer. LMFAO!

Patterson couldn't fight in any other division, no way could he have trimmed down to 175lb; in his prime he wasn't outweighed by many as most heavies were much lighter back then.

If I am not mistaken, I think he won the Olympics gold medal at middleweight. 'nuff said.

@@paulweir5031 Indeed at that time I don't think that there was "cruiserweight" in existence. 'nuff said.

Lol

Floyd did better on the remach agaisnt Ali. Even Ali after the bout said Floyd surprised me

Money and prestige is in heavyweight, he wont be remember as much as he is today if hesnot in hw

Marciano had knockout power in both hands. Ali didn't. Marciano was a swarmer--like Frazier. Ali always had a tough time with Frazier, and lost to him in the fight that matters most (when both were in their 20's). Ali could take the hardest punch ever? He had his jaw broken by Ken Norton, hardly the biggest puncher of all time. He finished the fight--and lost it. Don't tell me Marciano couldn't have done the same. It would have been very close, had the two men met when both were in their primes--difficult to arrange, given their respective birth dates. I certainly think Marciano would have lost to Ali if he'd tried to make a comeback. Swarmers don't tend to age well. But the need to believe Ali could beat anyone at any time verges on the psychotic at times. He was beatable. And he was, in fact, beaten. More times than the record shows, because he was awarded a number of points wins he didn't earn.

@@christopherlyons5900 Having your jaw broken is no indication of the power of the punch, if your mouth is open then your jaw is liable to break; Liston, when laughing at Marty Marshall's antics, had his broken in their first go. Marciano wouldn't have troubled Ali, Frazier was gifted the decision against a ring rusty Ali.

@@paulweir5031 If the ref had known it was broken, he'd have stopped the fight, and Ali would have lost by TKO. He lost in points because he was fighting badly. Many believe he should have lost the other two with Norton. Even Ali said he lost the third fight. But he got a number of decisions just for being Ali.

Ali had a great chin--no better than Chuvalo's, probably not quite as good. Chuvalo was never knocked out, or even down, but he still has two TKO's on his record, from Frazier and Foreman. Ali was better at avoiding punches than Chuvalo, and as I just said, he was technically TKO'd when his jaw was broken, but he covered it up. Nobody is 100% invulnerable to being rendered unconscious, and never having suffered a stoppage doesn't mean you can't be stopped. Might as well say Marciano was invincible because he never lost.

@@christopherlyons5900 Marciano never lost bcz he only had a 7yr career while everyone else had 15 to 20yr careers. Nobody would even be talking about little cruiserweight Rocky if he went 48-1. Everyone automatically assumes he was the Greatest bcz he's undefeated. His "'0"' is the only thing that keeps him alive.

@KamalShariff ...Ali could have knocked out Patterson anytime he wanted to. The latter kept calling the former "Clay!"

I dont think that floyd was pretty fast and if he was carrying he wouldn’t have taken shots like that

Ali juga sudah bukan di masa prime nya lagi

Wow. So original. :D

🎈Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F. Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less. Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less. Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less. Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less. Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less. Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents. Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck. Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural welterweight-middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion? *Even Marciano's 3 best opponents; Walcott-Charles-Moore lost ((68)) times and were KO'd ((20)) times.* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0: D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$...NUMBERS DO NOT LIE *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Little 184-lb Cruiserweight Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott-Charles-Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?

In his own eyes...

I wasn't at all impressed with Ali here. Fought a guy half his size and 10 years older.

@@scottodonnell7121 Half his size? When was Patterson a flyweight? Seven years older, by the way.

​@@scottodonnell7121Ali was how many years older than foreman

I lived in that era and didn't know Ali fought Patterson. I thought that Patterson had already retired.

They fought twice because in Ali’s words: “Floyd needed the money.”

I'm not sure about "maximum" prime Tyson.

@@Der_Diskriminator In my opinion If mike tyson had possessed better endurance probably he would gave much trouble to Ali but unfortunately tyson wouldn't fight with ali for 15 or 12 raund. You can put forward idea that Tyson have fought 12 raund with giant boxers. Whereas they didn't anything to drain Tyson's stamina , most of them only absorbed many punch like punching bag from tyson.

Ez job for prime ali man

@@denissssss8579 ik

Ali's shape in '73-74 for Norton II, Frazier II , and for the Rumble was in great shape. lighter, leaner, faster, and more stamina than he was here in '72. "Dancing" weight, as he called it. that is the closest he got back to his short-cut '64-67 "prime".

He is pretty smaller than other guys but he had fast hands and was pretty skilled

dennisgarrison7315 .. Patterson just couldn't stay off the canvas.

You heard right about Floyd.

Ridiculous. Not even close. 1. Rocky Marciano: undefeated. 3. Floyd Mayweather: undefeated. 4. George Foreman: won back the title in his mid-40's. 5. Sugar Ray Robinson: a champ in three original classes, over 100 fights, many not even recorded. 6. Willie Pep. Fought for years, over a hundred fights, some not recorded. Fought a private bout vs. Robinson. 7. Jack Johnson: faced unreal racism, and still won. 8. Max Baer: drank and partied all night. Still won the heavyweight championship.

@@eriksturdevant8589 ok so Ur saying about them winning fight without a lost go a check out Julio Cesar chavaz he had 90 fight without defeat so he almost doubled Marciano and Mayweather so he must be the greatest boxer of all time since your talking about never lost a fight No one beats Julio Cesar chavaz record best record of all time, your talking about foreman winning the world champion at 45 he never won it against Ali didn't Frazier and foreman and mike Tyson and alot more champions say that Muhammad Ali is the greatest of all time

@@davidkelly7559 "Spell check" is generally a free application on one's phone.

@@davidkelly7559 Chavez is one of the boxers in modern history. I'd rank him in my top 25.

@@eriksturdevant8589 why would you rank Floyd Mayweather and Marciano the best because they never lost is it, we'll let Mayweather fight another 4 fights like chavaz and let him win them all then I will see yes he is the best out from that hes far from the best

How was he overrated

​@@ascendantking2178he doesn't know 💯he's just rambling someone else's opinion like a 🐦

@user-vx1hm5vm1d ...Ali wasn't overrated. Any boxer can experience a knockdown.

Overrated 😹😹😹, no way my man

Sonny may be . Ali no way. Louis was a heavy hitter with extraordinary precision. Ali lost to Norton and Frazier. Louis would overwhelm him. Marciano has unreal pressure.

But he couldnt do it against Ali in 65

60s Ali beat prime Patterson

Rubbish, there wasn't a man on the planet who could have held up under the bombardment from the Ali of the mid 60s.

Man cmon are you serious lol

no way. ESPECIALLY not a '73-74 Ali who actually trained HARD and got down to 212-217.