‼️ THIS VIDEO IS A CRITIQUE‼️ PLEASE READ THIS COMMENT, THIS IS IMPORTANT: ▪️ALL THE DRAMAS NAME ARE IN THE DESCRIPTION ⬆️ ▪️This video is not only about homophobia but also about heteronormativity. Please, keep that in mind. ▪️I’ll delete any homophobic comment. ▪️I’M NOT COMPLETELY CONDEMNING THOSE DRAMAS : First of all, I’m not saying those dramas did an entire bad job, are completely homophobic or are bad dramas you shouldn’t watch. Please, don’t attack me because your favourite drama is here and don’t attack me for something I didn’t say. There are dramas that I liked in here. But I think it’s important to keep a perspective even on the things you like. Hope you can do the same. ▪️SOME DRAMAS DID BOTH A GOOD AND BAD JOB : For example, I think Prison playbook and the Beauty inside did, overall, a good job. But, where they failed, is when they didn’t condemn homophobic behaviours or used them for humour purposes, for example. 🎬 I also made a video about good representations and about kdramas that did a good job portraying a queer character : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/etV-hqal1cDRg6c.html ▪️This video is very restricted around the representation or gay and lesbians because it’s what happen in kdramas too. ⚠️ THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PICTURING AND PROMOTING HOMOPHOBIA! 🔛 Turn on the English subtitles for more explanations. I recommend you to watch if once without the subs and a second time with the subs on! It'll be easier for you. 🔺I. WHY DOES THOSE DRAMAS ARE HERE? 🔸 Humor purposes: (Vincenzo, Strong woman, the beauty inside, my strange hero..) Gay people or homosexual acts are often used for humor purposes. What’s wrong with it? “Very much offensive prejudices against minority groups are kept and spread within the frame of a joke thanks to the ‘I’m only joking’ fact which allows everyone to be as politically incorrect as they desire.” - Read more here : dialnet.unirioja.es/descarga/articulo/2514259.pdf 🔸Bad representations: (Vincenzo, Record of youth) I made a whole point on this, please read bellow. 🔸Stereotypes: (Strong woman..) ‘LGBT rights activists have fought against fictional representations of LGBT people that depict them as violent and murderous. [...]’ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_stereotypes www.betterhelp.com/advice/stereotypes/stereotypes-definition-and-why-they-are-wrong/ 🔸Not condemning homophobia: (What’s wrong with Secretary Kim) Showing but not condemning homophobia is normalizing it and is equal to say it’s okay to be homophobic. 🔸Homosexuality as something vulgar/scary/funny/disgusting/embarrassing : (My strange hero, He is psychometric...) 🔸Heterosexuality shown as a norm: (True Beauty, Secretary kim and a LOT more) About heteronormativity, please read more down below. 🔸Pseudo-homosexuality: (Coffee Prince...) seoulbeats.com/2012/09/k-dramas-and-pseudo-homosexuality-what-gives/ 🔸Sad ending for homosexuality : (Mr Queen, Prison playbook..) Not the worst but it’s disappointing. The fact that gay people can’t just have a happy ending when every straight couple does is just treating them differently and is equal to say gay people just can’t have their happy ending as everyone else. 🔺II. WHAT IS HOMOPHOBIA AND HETERONORMATIVITY? 🔹 ‘Homophobia’ : “Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear and ignorance, and is often related to religious beliefs. Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of sexual orientations that are non-heterosexual.” (Wikipedia) 🔹“Heteronormativity”: “Heteronormativity is the belief that heterosexuality is the default, preferred, or normal mode of sexual orientation. It assumes the gender binary (i.e., that there are only two distinct, opposite genders) and that sexual and marital relations are most fitting between people of opposite sex. A heteronormative view therefore involves alignment of biological sex, sexuality, gender identity and gender roles. Heteronormativity is often linked to heterosexism and homophobia. The effects of societal heteronormativity on lesbian, gay and bisexual individuals can be examined as heterosexual or "straight" privilege.” (Wikipedia) “Why Heteronormativity Is a Bad Thing?” : www.teenvogue.com/story/heteronormativity-gender-identity-sexual-orientation 🔺III. WHY BAD REPRESENTATIONS CAN BE HARMFUL? Just look at all the recent successful kdramas, do you see any good and important gay person? Who has an important role, who is important for the plot, who is not just some side character? Who do good things, useful things? Who, at least, is not a bad person? Or, at least, is not useless for the plot? I don’t. Or a very few. It’s important to have more representations of gay people in kdramas if we then want them to see them in a villain role. To not portray something or to only poorly portray it have consequences. And when it’s a matter of human rights, it’s not okay. - More here : everything500390422.wordpress.com/2021/03/16/why-is-vincenzo-episode-8-homophobic/ (at the end of the article, I think it explain well what I tried to say) 🔺IV. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROMOTING AND PICTURING HOMOPHOBIA: Picturing something you’re willing to denounce is actually okay and even a good thing. Some kdramas did that very well (Run on, Move to heaven.. You can found them in my video menstionned above). But the ones included here promoted homophobia one way or another. Promoting homophobia or heteronormativity is encouraging it, reinforcing it and this is done in different, subtle and maybe unconscious ways (read point I.). Perpetuating stereotypes, using homosexuality for humour purposes.. is promoting homophobia and encouraging it. - Queer Representation in Film and Television : mediasmarts.ca/digital-media-literacy/media-issues/diversity-media/queer-representation/queer-representation-film-television - Media Representations of Homosexuality : pdc.ceu.hu/archive/00001509/01/Media_representation_of_homosexuality.pdf 🔺V. CLARIFICATIONS ABOUT SOME DRAMAS : (I’ll put links to articles because they are well detailed, please read them) 🔹 Strong Woman : www.kdramafighting.com/2017/03/homosexuality-k-dramas-and-mixed-bag-of.html 🔹Vincenzo: The problem is not Vincenzo’s reaction but how the only gay character of the entire show was portrayed. everything500390422.wordpress.com/2021/03/16/why-is-vincenzo-episode-8-homophobic/ 🔹The Tale of Nokdu / Coffee Prince (+ You’re beautiful / To the beautiful you / Sunkyunkwan Scandal) : seoulbeats.com/2012/09/k-dramas-and-pseudo-homosexuality-what-gives/ & www.scmp.com/magazines/style/leisure/article/3036411/sungkyunkwan-scandal-and-4-other-korean-drama-series-which 🔹Mr Queen : dreamingsnowflake2013.tumblr.com/post/643211967313608704/not-only-is-the-ending-of-mr-queen-terrible & the review of this person on Mr Queen : mydramalist.com/profile/anjelle/reviews

Finally someone is talking about this so many k dramas have indirect homophobic themes also straight people making gay jokes is so offensive, I've also come across come across dramas that made money solely by queerbaiting and using queer people to add humor

one thing that infuriates me is when the ONLY queer character in a movie or tv show is shown as the villian, perverted and abusive. ive seen a lot of cis het people trying to defend this notion by saying "atleast ur getting representation" which is so messed up because media and the things you watch influence so much of ur thinking and ideas. Growing up I hardly saw any good queer representation in mainstream media and the representation that was there it was so streotyped and bad that i grew up thinking that being queer was bad and it took me a long time to accept my queer identity. the internalized homophobia that i have affects my daily life so much that sometimes i have to physically tell myself that there is nothing wrong with me being queer . this internalised homophobia would not have been there if i had seen good queer representation in mainstream media. so whoever says that "you guys are already allowed to be gay how much more can you want" needs to STFU. the "rights" some of us have are the BARE MINIMUM . A lot of us can still be legally killed or imprisoned for just existing you dont get to tell us what rights we deserve or dont.

Before I even see the video, I just gotta say that I’m glad that Vincenzo is on this list. I remember not just watching the episode but also seeing reaction vids, and for some reason people kept shipping/fangirling over the “gay” relationship where Vincenzo was pretending to be attracted to the gay abusive piece or garbage. First of all: why is the one gay character we have happen to be an abusive pervert? Not saying that there can’t be gay villainous roles, but when they ONLY play that role just like when other minorities get stuck with a certain role: that sends an explicit message. (There are plenty of other kdramas that have gay/crossdressing men as villainous roles and they’re always perceived to have mental problems) Secondly: it’s like people suddenly forgot he was the villain of the episode the moment they showed some fan service. He’s toxic and abusive towards all his past lovers, how are people suddenly blind to this just cause of a few “cute” shots of the two guys together?! I’ve seen some edits on KZfaq where they’ve made this “couple” a ship and it just bothers me so much.

In some of these scenes they act homophobic in such a natural way and normalize it

Finally! People should actually get educated on these topics like it's not always fun to watch gay characters suffer!

You're using your editing skills to spread awareness and to tell your opinion on serious issues and I think THAT'S SO AWESOME OF YOU

Also bringing this up, the way do bong soon's mom promotes something like conversion therapy towards the male lead, convincing do bong soon that if she becomes more flirty or something with the male lead maybe he would have a change of mind and maybe start liking girls

Everytime I see someone looking disgusted about homosexuality or someone being relieved about the fact that the other person is not gay, I just wanna fight them. It's also extremely infuriating to see shows in which the only gay character is a villain. Often times, even if I liked these dramas, homophobia showed in there would be the 1st thing I think of when the drama is mentionned.

I will never get over how they play the ending of Mr. Queen off as a happy ending when in reality two people who loved each other were separated by centuries, never to return again. Hell, Bong Hwan didn’t even get to see their child born

I hate it when they use LGBTQ+ characters like that in an inappropriate way , most of the times gay men are there only to show that the male lead is very desirable, like tf!

and there are some hypocrites that say that they are ok with homosexuality and gays and that they have no problem with it and they are very supportive and all but they don't want anyone from their family to be of that particular community or else they won't except it and worst are the ones that don't even acknowledge anything as homosexuality , according to them it doesn't exist and those who say they are gay must have been bewitched or something very hypocritical of them

I find it so insulting when they’ll say « oh he’s gay » and the male lead will make a face like it’s the biggest slur he’s ever been called in his life and act all offended. I want a drama where the male lead says « yeah I am so what? ». Also can we talk about the 0% representation of gay women in kdramas? Like what?

This video was need of the hour. As someone who really enjoys kdrama, I often find its homophobic/ heteronormative story lines and character representation uncomfortable.

Mr Queen just MESSED up so bad! It is one of my top fav romcoms because it actually has a very unique plot and not just random lovie dovie and comedy, but the end just showed that they were homophobic because the king didn't even love the real queen!

Young Royals on Netflix has the most touching and intriguing gay representation I've seen on screen. It not only gives a unique and necessary telling of the LGBTQ+ youth experience, but this beautiful story provides important representation without perpetuating the harmful stereotypes and tropes of a lot of other LGBTQ+ media. Outside LGBTQ+ representation, Young Royals does an outstanding job of conveying teenagers’ lives in its representation of mental health as well as the autism community.. It's a MUST watch.

funny how what is depicted in K dramas is same as what has been depicted in Bollywood for so many years and it always irritates , angers and annoys me that how ignorant and rude and cruel people are towards homosexuality infact in one of the bollywood movie there is a song based on the way two best male friends behave towards eachothers which goes like "maa ka ladla bigad gaya " which roughly translates to - Mother's dear son has become spoilt / gone bad , and mostly their very touchy scenes are made as humorous 😒

To me, you're doing a very important job, addressing those issues in k dramas that not many are addressing and even showing examples. Thank you for putting so much research, editing and work into your videos, I'm glad a channel like yours exists.

Yes we need to talk about this topic cuz unless and until we do not accept ourselves the way we are people keep attacking us ....

The world needed this video - I haven't watched all of these dramas, but I for sure noticed it in Love Alarm, Hwarang, and Strong Girl Bong Soon. Thank you for making this!

This channel is a gem. I have never seen this type of videos at other channels. Most of them wrote "Hate but Love relationship" or "He fall in love with girl he bullied". Never seen healthy and toxic difference. Never seen honesty. Thanks you so much

Well, I knew this is prevalent in k-dramas, but seeing it compiled still makes me.... *sigh*.

Me trying to read the subtitles, drama name, and your captions while watching the video at the same time is taxing, but worth it. I don't know whats wrong with me lol. Kudos to another informative and creative video! It's time people started being aware of this.

To be honest,I was thinking about how homosexual characters were potrayed in dramas and movies(not only k dramas).I felt like how odd it was to potray them as insignificant or obsessive or something only to be laughed at.this really disturbed me.Thank you so much for making this.this is both beautiful and eye opening.your drama choice is also on point.there are some of my favorite dramas but still disappointing about this matter.I thought I was overreacting or overthinking.but your video proves that I wasnt.I wish this picture changes even if it taks time.Thank you once again💜.

I’m so excited 😩 and I can’t wait

Reminder set. 37 hours and another masterpiece will be out. Also.. You open my eyes for some things I haven't noticed before or haven't thought much about. Thank you 🤗

Mr. Queen is the closest we can get to Boy's love and please come back mister is the closest we can get to girl's love in the terms of a real true love story of the leads in the mainstream! Well, we do have Korean BL but it still has a long way to come!

FINALLY we talking about this. i’m so glad to see you using your channel for SAY and spread awareness! i’m tired of this type of “representation” in kdramas and we have to stay talking about how wrong is.

God I love this video. I've been uncomfortable during so many kdramas because of the ''jokes'', and I really loved the explanations in the captions!!

And then there was Bae Tami from WWW. Literally calling out why you should use the word "lover" instead of heterosexual-izing everything. 🙌

That "did I lose something" really broke my heart 💔

the amount of research and effort put into this to recognize these issues makes me so happy and kind of tear up too thank you for what you do💕👍

I've been waiting for thiiis. We've addressed that most kdramas normalize violent dating behaviors, victim blaming and now finally the homophobia. istg idk how many times I've seen the lgbtq+ community being made a joke. From variety to dramas, the way they passive aggressively show disinterest is just disappointing.

I just started Vincenzo yesterday. I am currently in ep5 and I am so so so glad that I watched this video. I can't believe that they went w a plot like that. Normally I am OK with queer characters being evil or villians but this is different. First of all Vincenzo has no queer characters other than him and showing that gay men are a way of humor and always bothering straight men is just so problematic. Like wtf? I am not gonna keep watching the show. Because if I do that I will feel like I am betraying my community. I must be so damn lucky that I've found your channel. Your videos are amazing and topics you've brought awareness are *chef's kiss* I realized that kdramas are bad at representing the LGBTQIA+ community when I first started watching them (especially strong woman). I am OK w no representation but I am not OK with problematic/homophobic representation. Thanks for this informative video.

I read through the whole pinned comment and I thought this channel deserves to be subscribed. What you have shown here is very important and much needed for people even within the LGBTQIA+ community to realize that everyone is valid. I got to learn many things here today and I hope you continue doing the same. Much Thanks!

I must say that I came across your vids a few weeks ago and they are amazing. Thank you for using your skills to raise awareness of issues we face in the world. I may be a teen but you in’s me. Thank you and never stop what you are doing

And these days they're also using the bromance thing as a trap, bromance has always been there ofc but I feel like these days the directors or creatives are going on another level just because of the fujoshi/fudanshi fans. They won't show them as a couple but they'll give us countless moments that gives couple vibes or makes us ship them. and if you say anything, they'll be like, oh its just your mind, we're just showing normal bromance.

I'm almost crying, that's hurtful but necessary..

I was shocked by the sheer amount of homophobia displayed in Cheese in the Trap!! That too so upfront! Damnnn

you're amazing!! as a lesbian woman, i appreciate that a lot, so thank you.

The king's affection could be in this list. It's so sad that we're in 2023 and we still need to talk about prejudice, freedom of love and the basic human rights to love anyone. Thank you so much for your edition, it's gold. ♥

okay honestly , earlier I’ve for sure felt strange about these things happening in the dramas but things got pretty clear and up to the point after I’ve watched this !! thanks , what you’re doing is amazing people need to be educated and shown the damn difference YOU GO HUMAN !!

I'm sure it will be an incredible work, thank you for your effort and dedication to make it!

I can't stress enough how important and amazing this video is. I respect you for all the work you did with this video!!

omg! finally!! I have always found these type of scenes so problematic! thank you for this amazing video! This message needs to be said out loud!

this is one of your best videos and it’s literally perfect, it’s nice to see but it has a meaning and SHOWS it. I love how you’re spreading awareness with your videos!

Ahhh thank you for including scenes where people ask the males if they have a girlfriend yet and vice versa! It's such a bad habit society has, but not many people recognize that this should be changed. It's sad in how many dramas heteronormativity shines through, and even worse how the LGBTQ+ folks are either portrayed as villainous and perverted or just the comedic relief. I like some good bromance, especially when toxic masculinity is thrown out the window, but just as friends who are very comfortable with eachother. Some scenes and dramas however take it too far solely for fan service and it disappoints me so much

I really wish there was a Kdrama about a trans or lgb character where they learn to love themselves and the people who accept them it'd be such an emotional thing to watch for me since and both non-binary and bi

Thank you so much for your hard work. I think addressing this matter is crucial and you delivered it so well!!

Your videos are so well researched and socially educational and this video just increased my love and respect for you by a thousand fold❤️

thank you so much for bringing awareness on those subjects w your videos it’s really good

Thank you so much for your videos. They are informative and I really hope entire k-drama audience either realize this by themselves or get to watch your videos and learn. Everyone needs to learn about this. Great work💜

'Do you have a boyfriend?' As an aroace IM TIRED OF BEING ASKED THIS SHIT!!! LET ME BE ALONE

I AM SO EXCITED... BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG

Thankyou for making this video to raise awareness!

Thanks for this edit. I’ve always been looking for ones like this but you’re like the first I’ve found

I love how you use your awesome editing skills to address all these taboo hardly addressed topics that are actually so prevalent in popular kdramas 👏🏼 love it!!

I was so done with Vincenzo. He’s supposed to be this cold, heartless mafia consigliere but can’t STAND the idea of getting close to and wooing a target just because he’s a guy. It’s so stupid. Get over yourself dude.

As a lesbian being a fan of KPOP, K-Dramas and Korean variety shows I get hurt a lot of times. Thanks to your video I feel heard and not alone anymore. It hurts so much to see two man kiss (as a joke)and everyone goes like "🤮🤮🤮". B.I. (formerly of IKON) even went as far to call his mother and to tell her he is gay as a joke. My struggle and my discrimination is not a base for your comedy.

You did a great job editing this👍👍👍people should really get educated about this too...I myself is also learning about this slowly and believe that the minorities should also be treated equal with respect n love. This was very eye opening and also loved how you described it in the comment section❤❤keep making these amazing videos💜💜💜

God I got so excited everytime you announce new videos and they're all so amazing too you're just great. Thanks a lot for doing these hoping more people come across these masterpieces

no sabía todo esto de éstos kdramas, gracias, sos genial 😭

This was soo good!!! Thank you for your hard work. You always do a great job at making your videos. Can't wait to see the next one!!

This is gonna be ✨ art ✨

Wah thank you so much for talking about this and portraying it in such a good way 😭

This only the 2nd video I've seen of yours and I'm already smitten by your editing skills, also it's the 2nd time I cried on your videos. First was your amazing message at the end one of your video saying I wasn't abnormal and 2nd now, just through these edits. Amazing!

Omg I love how you edit ! We need to see more of this ppl neee to learn

This was so worth the wait!!

I was waiting for someone to make a video about this. This is something that is left alone. Great video @Marie TB, your edits are 🌟 I really like your videos.

I was waiting for this video so much!!! Such a great job as usual! Will wait for your video about good representation. Love is love💙

First of all, I have to say I'm so thankful for this Your editing skills are incredible and now you used them for awareness which is amazing thank you so much for your beautiful edits I truly appreciate all of them And I still don't understand why they do this I mean now that they are more open to bring LGBT characters to their shows or even make Bl series they need to write a good storyline for these characters too and even now they use the huge bromances in the shows to get viewers like they put so many moments that would make people ship the characters with the same gender to go and watch the show but then at the end they just make it straight I mean I don't understand just to get more views they just easily do that

Ahhhh que emoción! Amo ya queda muy poco💖

thank you for making this vid. And thank you also for including Mr. Queen, I was a fan of that series but the ending made me go WTF?! lolol The ending was so disappointing

The only drama In my opinion that portrayed mlm is "she would never know" in that too its the plot about the supporting cast ...the ML sister is married to a doctor and they even have a 6year old child and then the wife founds out that his husband had been intimate with his best friend in his college days and then he shut his frnd out of his life cuz he felt dirty ....then the wife divorces him and encourages him to listen to his heart and makes him feel normal ..and that she'll always love him,be it as a frnd ...and the fact that this plot was not used as comical relief but a actually shown with some intesity and seriousness is just ❤️

You never fail to make a masterpiece , great job sis :)

your contents are getting better and better. You are spreading awareness

Thank you for this! This needed to be said

this is an amazing video, thank you so much for making this

You really did a great job with this video. I will be waiting for the one about good examples of depicing homophobia :).

FINALLY!! someone did it!! I was waiting😭

YOU ARE AMAZING FOR DOING THIS!

Just loving each and every project of yours! 💕

Honestly THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!

ILY FOR THIS. your content it’s brilliant and amazing 🤍

Excellent edit as always🙌❤

Waiting 😃

Great work. I am deeply moved.

I dislike when is always a joke also I am so disappointed with strong women bong and mr. Queen because I really love those dramas. Thanks for the video it had to be said

Finally! Someone is pointing this out! It sort of always bothered me this overly comedic approach of anything other than heterosexual relationships in kdramas but only recently I've realized why it bothered me so much and how negative and unhealthy almost toxic it is. As always thank you for bringing up these topics.

Stoppppp, this is INCREDIBLE!!!😍😍😍THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS MESSAGE OUT THERE! The amount of effort and thought you put into this video is palpable, which I am so thankful for🙏🏼. As a half-Asian person, I fully understand that the majority of Asian cultures still have a long way to go in terms of being more progressive, inclusive and supportive of the LGBTQ+ community. However, it still upsets me that so many dramas and movies are portraying non-heterosexuality in a negative/unfair light. I personally read/watch BL; although I am happy that these relationships are getting more recognition, many of the plots and characters are still heavily dramatised and exaggerated to the point where they don’t even seem remotely realistic anymore. Additionally, it also makes me so sad when homosexuality is used as a gimmick or joke in dramas. Why, oh why, must these characters become so offended and defensive if they are asked whether or not they are gay? The double standard (i.e. getting no/little reaction when asking if someone is straight) is also unfortunate. Overall (after this long speech😅), I just love this video so thank you for making it💜💜

I'm so excited for this!!

person, I have already said it (I guess...), but I want to repeat, eu te amo demais. Thanks for this video

Thank you for putting the recomendation love your videos

Finally i found a channel where someone is taking all of this seriously.someone had to talk about it so you did first.its impressive.❤️❤️❤️❤️ I watched all of your videos on the topics which we all talk about.somewhere we all were ignoring it and it was there.keep it up.yout hardwork is not going in vain for sure.people will learn❤️❤️

Damn i love your words. I subbed right away!

Well written !! Well made

Thank you so much for making a video like this. It’s really incredible that this is the first acknowledgment I’ve seen on the internet on how kpop dramas abuse homosexuality. Now I love kdramas and I will probably love them for a long time, but I’ve actually stopped watching well regarded dramas like Strong Girl BongSoon and Vincenzo because I (who identifies as queer) have felt so uncomfortable and almost attacked by the way the LGBTQ+ community was portrayed. I really hope as a new generation of filmmakers starts creating in Korea that we see a shift in these horrendous tropes because it really saddens me to have so many amazing pieces of tv be successful at the expense of a already incredibly mistreated and misrepresentation group of people.

You have done a great job in making this video 👏👏👏 Before I thought that replying or correcting or even engaging in a conversation with the bigots was a waste of time and energy, but now I will reply back because if I don't then they'll think that it is okay to say stuff like that. Thank you for making me see the world a little differently 👏🙏

Thank you for talking about this topic.

I would really thank you couse i didn't know all those things were signal of homophobia, im glad in every vid you made you taught to people what was wrong. Ily and keep going🤍