How so? Im new to this and planning on getting started on it

Take the complexity of every mechanic in your game, then multiply the time and complexity by 2, or 3. Deciding when, and how, to sync game objects (e.g. who's the owner? Who effects what objects and when? What happens if someone joins late? How/when do you update/sync objects/params without bogging the network) scripts variables/params, debugging/testing with multiple machines. Just like anything, it seems simple conceptually, until you start needing to implement it yourself haha. It's totally worth doing, but start small! It can be a fun process if you are patient and persistent. Actually, I'll pitch this: If you want some help to get off the ground, I offer 1 on 1 sessions (developer support) as a side hustle (I used to work as a Unity instructor at Circuit Stream). There's also some great tutorials on PUN. I use PUN and it's great if you are making basic stuff with smaller #s of players and don't require super low latencies.

@@zetachua352 im working on online game for mobile.. The multiplayer system is too easy don't listen to people that say multiplayer is hard.

@@creepybrainz4840 I agree with you it’s not easy but that’s normal gamedev is never was easy , I think that people are generally programmed from other’s, and they say it’s hard even they didn’t experience itself.

Oh no, well it can't be that bad right?

Thanks for the incite! I will definitely look into fishnet

I think Epic Online Services is the best option no limits free

which video series? Mirror is good but has few tutorial ..

Oh nice, I was planning on using Nakama for a later project, how is it working for you?

@@aibor_io6871 Working really well. It's much better now with developing TypeScript modules instead of Go for the team. I'd recommend using the command pattern to simplify things a lot on the client end or JSONPatch if you want to maintain the full game state centrally. Depends on your application. Hope that helps!

@@achery323 Thank you , this was quite helpful , thank you will look into the command pattern

Quantum is awesome. Its deterministic so you only have to sync inputs instead of trying to sync everything in the game constantly. It makes anticheat, replays, reducing lag and data sent, and more incredibly easy. Same patterns that they use to make Overwatch incredibly smooth.

@@ryanharbert9415 Does it have authoritative server? Is it viable for games simulated on server side with unity only for front end?

@@dworm123 Yeah but you don't necessarily need it. Inputs are all validated so the cheating player will only mess up their own experience.

@@ryanharbert9415 thank you for your first message, I now have an idea in the future about to make an online game smooth as possible 😯... because in the future I want it to be smooth as possible... because I have tried to play a private server that has very ugly outcomes when you are lagging, all things are like freeze and freeze while that same game but other private server when I am lagging, I can still move and hit players which is much better then after my ping came to normal the player that i hit on, just get killed and they are shock haha that's the kind of network I want, instead of those movements of players that are basing on your internet 🤮

Yeah it seemed intriguing. I want to check it out at some point. The only thing is finding the time to evaluate it, and I'm definitely worried that it's so different it won't integrate with any other Unity libraries.

9 months later, still nothing from this is implemented.

@@mikekozlov3484 Performance markedly improved in the last few months. The team has also started exploring the facilitation of host migration (see GitHub issues) but yes, for client-side prediction and even better performance currently FishGames is still the solution of choice.

@@cradle_of_chaos Yep, rewriting my proto from Netcode to FishNet right now.

The biggest problem I ran into with PUN back when I used it (5+ years ago) was that you had no control of the server and no way to make an authoritative system. Which is a big problem for cheat prevention. Obviously not every game needs that kind of cheat prevention, but it was a big turn off for me. Though perhaps they've changed their product :)

Fusion is a gamechanger really, bringing AAA options available to smaller studios at a great price it's huge.

ya I have to agree with "public alias" look at photon fusion, it is the future for indie devs not ready for backend dev.

@@publicalias8172 I tried it and it seems like a mess... You had better luck with it? Mostly I find that it lacks the input checks that a closed source project requires and it just throws nullpointers when I do something wrong with references to lines in code I can't see.

lol, so I am not the only one that gets hypnotized by that thing...

I looked at DarkRift too, looks solid indeed! The only reason i went with Fishnet in the End is because DarkRift at time was not free, and i didn't see if it has client side prediction. But definately still on my list!

how you verified with such low sub count ?

could you give some more feedback since the normcore itself is not widely used and it looks nice from what i checked their docs. Im trying to build a VR game either probably in Normcore or FIshnet, any suggestions? :)

What's your game about?

It's a remake of Notch's entry to the 22nd Ludun Dare, Minicraft. I'm using it as means to learn networking in Unity. I think it's good to get a grasp of the basics before attempting to build my own game.

can you define wont work fast? I am thinking of using something similar and I would like to know if I can stay on websockets or move to another solution

@@unhealthytomato3219 it's more of a theory as everything about web sockets seems to be more centered in online chats and stuff. I've done tests with up to 5 players with a basic player that moves and talks to npcs and it works great, the latency seems fine too. If you are not going to use it for an mmo I'd say its great, especially because you do all the logic :)

Thanks!!

Now I really know what to try out

So fishnet is better than MLAPI 1.0 right?

@@nathanmiguel76 this is someone else's review I copied for new comers to multiplayer games!

I've read about FishNet, but just wonder about using it on production project. becase it's just new package, it've just been released for few months.

Hey Erick, Long time PUN user (Both 2D and 3D) I noticed that PUN was horrific for 2D Platformering Physics and player synchronization and was curious if Fusion would be a significant step up? Also, what is the learning curve going from PUN 2 -> Fusion, as it feels a bit daunting having to re-learn the wheel. I look forward to your feedback :)

@@reinhardtweyers9720 hi. Fusion has nothing to do with the way PUN works. It's a discrete ticks-based architecture that is designed for these games where accuracy is paramount. We recently released a sample called Razor Madness that loosely inspired by super meat boy vibes/mechanics. It should give you an idea of how to do 2D platforming with its APIs.

@@erickpassos thanks for the input. Will have a look into it 🙂

Is there any good tutorial for Quantum. There is nothing available on website.

I'm assuming you are running Nakama on your own hardware? If so, what are your server specs to achieve 40k CCU?

What kind of game are you developing with fishnet?

The way fn docs compare themselves to mirror in the docs is so disingenuous though. Makes me wonder what's the quality of the provided tests.

@@andriusbendoraitis3171 Can you please elaborate? Far as I am aware everything in the documentation is true. If there is outdated information about Mirror please let me know and I'll fix it. Please keep in mind I only update Mirror's information based on store releases. But if you are curious about the tests, run them yourself. I've provided all of the information to do so with the results.

@@FirstGearGames I mean, I'm sure all your claims in the docs are correct at least to some level. They just seem like they were written to fill a page with nice green text, rather than to genuinely explain the differences and advantages of Fishnet. Phrases like "Fish-Networking uses 93% less bandwidth, a very drastic difference!" makes me feel like you are heavily overselling something. (Unless it is actually a representative number in real-world scenarios, then hats-off, bright future for Fishnet!). Sorry for being vague, I don't really have the time to test everything rigorously, to give you more specifics. Best of luck with the project!

@@andriusbendoraitis3171 I've been hearing Mirror supporters (not implying that's the case here) say this for awhile. The only discrepancies which may exist are if Mirror updated their product with a feature or improvement I was not aware of. Being that I do not use Mirror anymore, I encourage others to notify me when this becomes the case. I'll try to summarize an explanation to your concerns in few words as possible... The features comparison only glazes some of the features FishNet has compared to Mirror. I've left many other unique and quality of life features out because it was difficult to give them a name without creating a large description of what they do. As you pointed out, it's mostly just feature titles without a description of why they are helpful. Though, seeing someone actually spell that out for me makes me believe I should improve upon that as soon as possible. The performance comparisons are also very real. The part you mention of 93% less bandwidth is specifically about RPCs, which the documentation states. If you are looking for an actual real-world scenario benchmark you can check out fish-networking.gitbook.io/docs/manual/general/performance/benchmarks/fish-networking-vs-mirror - how to test this yourself is found with the results. There is also a #user-benchmarks channel in my Discord where naturally, users can post findings of their own tests. Here's the summary on my benchmarks by the way: - Client FPS: FishNet clients achieved 70% more FPS than Mirror. - Bandwidth: FishNet used 67-78% less bandwidth than Mirror. - Server Performance(200 CCU): FishNet retained 92.6% server performance, while Mirror retained only 16.8% performance. Let me know if you have any questions. PS: I've been in the process of updating the documentation. If you want to review the full changes please check back a few more days from now.

Hey! Have you found some tutorials for Fusion, I also use PUN 2 and I'm trying to make the jump but a lot of the links inside fusion documentation page are dead for some reason. Also, how was your experience? it is that much better as everyone says?

hey! I'm developing a small game too, was the PUN free plan enough for your player base or did you need to buy the pay version? I got a prototype version of my game running on photon, 4 players by room, I'd been looking into Fishnet lately but Photon is so much easier, or I got used to it at least.

I also use SmartFox and currently creating a Unity OpenWorld asset that is based on SmartFox Server and Game Creator.

I also use Mirror, lots of tutorials, and there exists a book about building MMO using it!

what kind of game do you have if you don't mind me asking.

I'm going into Tom's stuff next year when I begin my course. It will be useful to see how he has done things compared to cs

@@BadBanana There are definitely things that I like in it (simplicity and relative ease of making the library do what you need it to do) and other ones I might not recommend in a project that's anything but a prototype (static only message handlers) but it is a good thin server library and with a bit of refactoring it's easy to make it do what you need.

@@BadBanana I love Tom's content and appreciate what he does for the community, but, aren't you afraid of investing your time and devotion to learn something that depends on 1 single person? I'm just saying

we used EasyWiFiController from AssetStore for a such task. Obviously, it had less lag than Photon PUN