A-gain. Loved that.

Thanks 👍

They weren't in the same place twice.

@@wadepatton2433 yeah, lightning can be really sneaky...

@@wadepatton2433Good point. Nice one.🤣

Idk

This is something that has always confused me with US based flights. There was a big push over the use of correct phraseology when Avianca 052 crashed due to fuel starvation after 3 holding patterns and one go-around. Despite the argument for the need to use correct phraseology to make situations instantly clear, there is still this habit that seems to exist only in the US where “mayday” and “pan pan” are not used. Whilst this may be fine for pilots only planning to fly regionals, internationally it could lead to the same kind of issues that led to the loss of Avianca 052.

To be fair, this wasn't either, so the question/confirmation was fine. Generally, I agree with your point though. Mayday and pan-pan are much clearer and make decisions by ATC, and other aircraft, simpler.

These guys did not need either. So relax.

@@malahammer I get that it wasn’t needed for this, but if this phraseology was put into practice correctly across all flights globally, you wouldn’t have ATC needing to ask the question “are you declaring an emergency at this time?”. It is something that seems unique to the US and getting into such habits is something that many pilots who have gone from regional to international flights have stated many times that the habits of using incorrect phraseology is something that would have been a lot better had they never gotten into doing that, not only with mayday and pan pan calls, but with various nuances and mannerisms that are unique to regions those pilots had operated in prior to flights into countries where English is a secondary or tertiary language. It’s easy to say that the official international language for flights and shipping is English, but limiting it to the correct phraseology and terminology across all countries is something that is set in place in order to ensure safety no matter where you are. It’s not only an issue in the US. There are many South American airline pilots who make radio calls in Spanish. Whilst the controller and flight crew may understand Spanish, surrounding flights may have crews who do not understand the language and the information within those radio messages could prove to be important for them to know yet not passed on as the assumption of the message being heard by all is already there in the mind of controllers. The importance of a common language between all flight crews should never be understated, and limiting that to clear and concise language that is unmistakable in every country is an important part of making that work without issues. This is something we were taught from the very beginning of flight school and stuck with me ever since. I just wish more flight schools globally would make sure the same lessons are being taught to student pilots. It makes things easier for everyone to be understood and I’m sure it would make things a lot easier in ATC as well as removing the need for questions like “are you declaring an emergency” at a point in time where crews are most busy trying to troubleshoot issues.