“If you don’t care about the car you drive.....this is probably the car for you” -Sandy Munro

Sandy : are these car companies paying you ?? Alex : i love them very much

We want the truth and Sandy seems to give that. Nowadays the truth is very hard to find

Wait until Alex has to drive from Vegas to LA and charge up in the middle of the desert. Then we’ll see how much he loves the VW.

For me, the lesson here is that the majority of EV buyers in the future will be those of the video generation, able to master a new UI in a matter of seconds and who are mostly going to care about price, styling, range and quality and not so much battery science, metallurgy, a gigapress, octovalve, suspension or fruncks. A review of an EV by a 16 to 46 yo is much more valuable than that of a 70+ yo automotive engineer, and I think Alex kind of drives that point home for me.

No, you don't ask for feedback, you watch how they use the interface, you see how they navigate around.

Alex really sold me on the ID4. If you don't care about performance, range, storage space or a useable UI the ID4 is the way to go. Message received (wink)

MEB platform has small footprint, excellent maneuverability and plenty of inside space. These are important factors for European market. Consumption is about 10% worse than Tesla. Probably because of the higher drag coefficient. They are also working on optimizing energy consumtion in winter conditions. Model - turning circle, length, trunk, banana boxes in trunk+frunk/with folded rear seats TM3 SR - 11.8 m, 4.7 m, 425 l, 6+1/17 TMY LR - 12.1 m, 4.75 m, ? l, ?/? ID.3 - 10.2 m, 4.26 m, 385 l, 7/19 ID.4 - 10.2 m, 4.58 m, 543 l, 9/25 ID.3 has the same cargo space and bigger interior space than Tesla 3 with 0.44 m (17") shorter length. That is for me as a user more important than a frunk.

Don't go a date with prejudices, don't date thinking of someone else, another valuable life lesson I got from Mt.Monro.

Suspect Sandy’s persona aligns with the majority of people looking for out of the box functionality , usability and dependability, unlike Alex who seems to be looking for another brand to promote. Sandy seems to have NO agenda and watching Alex’s previous videos, seems he has been looking for a non- Tesla brand to promote. For me, I trust Sandy’s analysis over Alex’s. 🧐

Sandy, I watch Benhur every Easter - it’s now a tradition for the past over 40 years. ;)

"I may not be laughing." made me laugh.

Alex used to like Tesla until they refused to give him free stuff after he proclaimed himself a "social media influencer." Now I only watch his channel when Sandy is on it.

Sandy has nearly as many subscribers as Solving The Money Problem. Not sure which side of that I’m more surprised by. Either way, lovely to see that simple genius and calm conversation can be so successful ❤️

Alex is shilling for everybody who pays him, haven’t heard honest words from him in a long time, can’t believe anybody still brings him on

As a person who has been in the software design business for about 40 years, I enjoyed the back and forth between you and Alex. Having viewed your previous videos on the ID4, it was clear to me that the user interface is what is called a stovepipe design. Each group responsible for parts of the products designs making their own tradeoffs, but never talk to each other. This means that there is no overall coherent design, which is where you decide on the button, sliders and knobs and when done correctly prevents driving the user nuts. The person/group who gets the responsibility to put all of the pieces together, when their is not an overall design, has an impossible job and I am sure Alex has been in that position. Getting everybody on the same design page is very difficult, especially for the transmission people.

Please Sandy, stick to your opinion not this guy, I don't even know why he's on your channel. We watch for you'r experienced and honest feedback.

This was a good discussion. What gets lost in a lot of these car tests is exactly that, not every car is for everyone. Glad to see these guys work through that aspect and basically agree to disagree, and that's just fine! The more entrants into the BEV world the better, it pushes them all to improve, and for the customer to have more choice and be exposed to different ideas on what a car can be.

Amazing talk! I just finished it. I’m so glad you as an expert in automotive can have a channel for us to watch.

I respect your opinion Sandy and I have tried out both the ID for and Mach E and it’s no contest the Volkswagen is a much greater bargain and all around vehicle. Except for performance that mustang GT might kick ass who knows

I quit watching Alex a month or so ago because he was getting to a point he didn’t even want an EV, and he was more impressed with the REALLY expensive ones. Now he’s buying an ID4?? I think he’s on someone’s payroll.

Interesting thoughts from Alex, though after checking out his channel I find it odd to see that he's sponsored by an EV manufacturer (XPENG). That's a line reviewers don't usually cross. To follow up on some of his thoughts.. --Range - 250mi EPA rated range for a ~$37k EV after the fed incentive is a decent price/mi, but it still only barely beats out a SR+ Model 3 by about $500. --Performance - "Oh, I'm not a performance guy" That's fair, but it's still notable that they don't have performance numbers that come close to competing with the 3/Y. --Charging - "It's free charging for 3 years, that's big for me" Ok, and as Sandy said their charging infrastructure is significantly inferior to the Supercharging Network at best right now. If you drive LA->LV (269mi) once a week & Supercharge that's $14.74/week in charging (269*250/1000*0.22) or $60/month. Not nothing, but people forget electricity is relatively cheap. --Infotainment - "It's VWs first try, lets give them a year" Really? They've been making cars with touch infotainment systems for well over a decade. Another year isn't enough time to fundamentally redo how they approach their hardware and software inefficiencies. And this isn't something that can be fixed in a software update. I think it's pretty clear that VW (and Ford for that matter) are not software companies and they didn't spend nearly enough R&D time/dollars on software in the development of these vehicles. --Space/storage - "I don't need the space" Doesn't excuse the car not having the same storage potential as a Model 3/Y. The entire design/MEB platform still shouts "ICE manufacturer" with the lack of a frunk & sub trunk cargo area. If the car doesn't have a gas tank or muffler, what else is that area being used for? It's inefficient use of space and I look forward to (hopefully) seeing Sandy's teardown. Also, "deep yogurt" 😂

Alex is like a walking commercial.

Really sad to see how much of a shill Alex has become over the years. I guess it all started with the deal with Byton and went downhill from there. Oh, and here's the real reason why the Id4 software is so bad/counterintuitive from someone who still activley works on UI: It's designing UI by committee. Everyone thinks they're an UI expert and you get the most ridiculous demands from people in management because 'they think they know' (which you cannot fend off). Couple that with people in finance putting the slowest possible chip and the smalles possible screen in there "because it saves 5$"...and at the end of the day that's what you get: A slow-as-molasses UI that's beyond hope of ever getting fixed. I've seen it happen many times and it makes me wanna hurl each time.

I think having Alex on was perfect. Sandy clearly isn't the target audience for the product, so in order to review the product, they brought someone that was! Excellent choice

This is really the first video I really appreciated from Alex. I had seen him so negative in the past, but here I think he is very fair and thoughtful. I do hope his ID.4 relationship works out well.

I drove all Tesla's and really didn't like the drive, interior quality or visability. I drove the id4 and enjoyed the quiet drive, interior comfort and visability. Speedy enough for my 72 year old body. The screen is simple to use. Just tap the home button on the left side of the display and you're good to go. Surprised you didn't see it. The display is slow but that will change with updates. Overall a nice car.

Other than Tesla, when you buy a car with a bad user interface you're stuck with it till you buy another car. Let's hope the VW will be upgradable.

Test drove an ID.4 two months ago. Utter disappointment for the list price here in Germany - especially if you want it even close to equipped like a base Tesla.

Yeah keep calling him out on it Sandy. Alex is a waste of your time today. You would be better off on someone else's channel once a month.

Excited to see Sandys take on the Mach-e. Initial impression by me was favorable beyond the “oh come on, this isn’t a Mustang!”

I think that Sandy is nit picking, which of course he’s right to do. However the average guy, that’s me, tends to go by the looks of the car and it’s comfort as well as it’s range. Things like buttons that operate a little different to the norm or having to take an hour or two to familiarise oneself on how things work isn’t a put off when ones buying a car that’s going to be kept for a few years.

Are you not going to open it up and check the batteries and stuff?

If you haven't seen Ben Hur you should watch it. Really good movie. I just watched it for the first time in 30 years and it was better than I remembered.

Loved the content, perspectives and interaction 👍

I found this to be one of the most enlightening videos I've seen in some time. People's CHOICES are different and what one person likes, another detests. For instance, we own a 2021 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid which I was unable to test drive before purchase, although we did test drive another version of the 2021 Sonata to get some idea of the car. I watched several KZfaq reviews of the Sonata Hybrid which were all very favourable. We'd also owned a 2009 Hyundai Sonata for 9 years which was an amazing vehicle for us so we went ahead and placed the order. I guess I would NOW say that the 2021 Sonata Hybrid is a pretty decent vehicle BUT not exactly what I was expecting. Virtually ALL of the reviews commented on how well the Sonata rides. Personally, I think it rides like a stone, especially around town. On the highway it's tolerable. I'd gladly trade off two notches of handling prowess for two notches of improvement in ride smoothness. I'm at a stage of life where I DON"T want to FEEL every little tar strip in the road and I have NO interest in cornering on the sidewalls of the tires. We had no such complaints with the ride OR handling in our previous Sonata. It was just a wonderful and reliable place to spend time on the road. And here's my take on the situation: The OEM car companies spend far too much time listening to Automotive Journalists, many of whom are frustrated "wanna-be" race car drivers. I'd have no such complaints IF I'd bought the Sonata N-Line as I would have expected a harsh ride. But come-on??? Hybrid Buyers purchasing a "Family Sedan" are NOT looking for some amazing performance vehicle. They're looking to get on with their lives while doing their part to help reduce environmental impact! On that front, the 2021 Sonata Hybrid delivers impressive fuel economy although not nearly as stellar as what the on-board "Guess-O-Meter" would lead you to believe. I know those gauges are optimistic on ALL vehicles but 10% - 15% consistent inaccuracy is just unacceptable, IMHO.

Love your channel Sandy. Watch a variety of channels relating to electric vehicles, batteries, renewable energy, autonomy etc. Majority of the time after watching Alex and his channel E for electric, I always feel he puts a negative twist using sarcasm or bad humor when it comes to Tesla. Nothing against him or the channel, just an observation. Maybe it's because Xpeng is a sponsor.....

I'm surprised nobody has actually explained why it doesn't come with a frunk. It's actually *because* it is built on a new platform that was designed to be EV only from the ground up. If you have a traditional looking car and you take out the engine, you end up with a lot of extra space under the hood, so naturally you put a frunk in there. But the ID.4 doesn't have that extra space because it was designed with a very short hood. It's much shorter than the hood of a Model 3 or Y. Why? Because it allows them to make the car smaller and also increase interior space. Additionally they also moved the chiller of the air condition unit forward (in regular cars it sits right behind the dashboard), this allowed them to free up even more space on the inside and make it even roomier. The ID.4 has actually more passenger space than the Model Y despite being 19 inches shorter. So it's not a bug that it doesn't have a frunk, it's a feature. You get a shorter, more nimble car with great packaging that offers much more interior space than any other car in this size segment. I'm honestly not sure why people would prefer a small compartment in the front instead of all of that.

The bloopers were absolute KZfaq gold....😂🤣 at Sandys expense. Sorry Sandy, but hey you made the rest of us smile.

I want Alex to disclose who is paying him to make content. I used to watch his channel but I noticed he has changed tone and is making different kind of comments.

Laughing my ass off wondering why anyone would downgrade from a Tesla to a VW. OMG! And white only belongs on white wall tires from the 60s.

He doesn't care about 0-60, doesn't mean he has to pick the slow one. He doesn't need to store a lot of stuffs, but it doesn't mean he has to pick a car with small trunk and no frunk. What scratch my head is, Alex seemed like he has to put up a lot to save the tax credit.

Love Sandy's style. Became a fan of Alex after having him be the interviewee. Great insight to all new electric vehicles and they need to be simplified to prospective buyers.

Mr Munro, compliments to give somebody on your review program space and time to counteract and explain a little more about the car from a different perspective. Very sportive ! 👍🏼. I’m moving from Tesla to VW as wel, and find this VW interface more intuitive. Forget the big screen.. but as long as you know , the home button is what it is.( and I think that’s very easy to find) it’s all a kids toy..

He is comparing an ID.4 to a $100K Tesla.. The Model 3/Y is nowhere near that price.

Is the VW ID 4 your choice or your sponsors?

I’ve watched Alex in the past. I unsubscribed from Alex. I do not think he is credible or ethical. I do know I have strong opinions and that others may reasonably differ from me. I hope VW comes through with fair product for their price point, if they do, that’s great. But it can never excuse poor engineering and it looks like that it the road they are on with this car. Thank you for the content and effort you bring to us. Stay safe and healthy!

Sandy low key hates this car lol -- and by low key I mean openly and visibly lol

“A decent attempt of a very first version of a new platform ...” These legacy automakers have been fighting Tesla and the transition to EVs for years instead of investing in R&D. Now they’re all scrambling. They don’t deserve to be given the time to get their shit together especially VW after the way they treated their customer with Dieselgate.

I tested an ID.4 and I have to say it drives very nice. Is quiet and has a lot of space. I do not care about 0-60 times or what the parts of the suspension are made of. My only real complaint is the software - but I will be using carplay so I don't really care. Overall you get a lot for the money. One thing I heard about the reason for not having a frunk ist that there will be a AWD version with an additional motor in the front.

For daily use, I would like to use between 80% (100% for LiFePO) and 20%, which is 60% of full capacity. Considering battery degradation and weather, comfortable usage is less than 50%. If you do not have home charging, you do not want to charge more than twice a week.

Thanks Sandy, love your stuff

Hey sandy can you do a interview with Dave Lee on Investing

Sandy please do a review for Ioniq 5 or Kia EV6 when will be available. I think these cars are more innovative comparing with VW ID.4. I hope that Kia/Hyundai have removed the "transmission boys" already and they hired the right people to move the company further into the future.

Great show, Sandy.

The load floor is not made to store stuff underneath it (even though you can). It's to level the floor to the edge so you don't have a bumb when loading stuff in. Otherwise you just set the floor in the lower position and gain extra trunk space.

Would love to see a full tear down of ID4 like the Model Y. I’m guessing there are now reasons that’s highly unlikely.

I really like Sandy's much more analytical and insightful views from his vast car making experience having worked in the industry for many years. When Alex was explaining his "reasons" for picking the ID4 it sounded more like he just didn't want a tesla, but wouldn't say it. Sandy consistently calls out many valid points on every vehicle (good and bad) that he has assessed in the videos I watched while Alex seems to make unsubstantiated guesses... Not trying to be mean just calling it like I see it. Thanks for all you do Sandy it is greatly appreciated! Keep up the great work! :)

@17:00 VW opted to maximize the passenger space inside the vehicle, so they crammed _everything_ into the engine bay (including e.g. the air filters, that Sandy actually liked because they were so accessible). Bjorn Nyland did his banana box test and the ID.4 actually is very roomy inside (25 boxes with the rear seats folded down - so far only the Model X 5-seater could fit more boxes, namely 28). Of course it's a question of personal taste, if you prefer "external" storage like a frunk, but if you occasionally have to transport large items I'd actually prefer internal space - a frunk doesn't help with that at all.

Mega show!!! Thank you!

The front is very short, more space for the people inside Also the turning radius is impressive You can check bjorn tesla channel to look for ID4 reviews

E for Electric shadow hates on tesla because they don’t sponsor his channel.. 🤡

Sandy, I hadn’t thought about it, but you’re right about Dieselgate. It’s the 2x4 that forced those German Mules to pay attention and make the radical changes that other big auto OEM’s are reluctant or just refusing to make.

Great conversation, gives a very balanced view! I bought an ID4 and I think it is awesome. In my view, the UI is simpler than Tesla, designed for people who have never owned an EV before. Definitely valid criticism on the lagginess menus etc.. I have also had problems with the navigation freezing but I’m sure all that will be sorted by software updates. The acceleration is decent, not Tesla melt your face fast but it isn’t slow either - more than enough for most situations. The best though is the space & the price. I can fit a Thule Chariot in the trunk, three bikes on the back, other stuff in the roof box and the kids comfortably in the back. Loads of space.

Sandy’s biggest problem with the ID.4 is that he never hit the home button and for whatever reason, it seemed he didn’t grasp what screen he was on. Tesla’s charging status screen also doesn’t list superchargers. It has various settings for setting predetermined departure times, charge limits, etc. but nothing more. The VW went one further and offered the ability to add charging stations to the car’s memory that don’t appear on a map. It lets you add a home charging station or a friend’s charging station and that is where Sandy got stuck. I’m sure if he had spent a few minutes flipping through the quick start guide he would have known what to do, but that didn’t happen. There are a lot of things in the Tesla that are hidden like the trip computer, TPMS, how to open the glovebox, adjust steering wheel and mirrors, even opening the door (especially if the power fails), HVAC adjustments aren’t necessarily straightforward if you don’t know what to do, etc. We own 4 Teslas in our household, so I’m not saying these things to be anti-Tesla, I’m just saying them because I think Sandy’s representation of the ID.4 UI was a bit unfair. Now, for things I don’t like about ID.4: I use my frunk almost every time I go to the grocery store because both of our Model 3s have the grocery hooks. On the Y, I don’t ever use the frunk except maybe to put a small suitcase in because groceries will go sliding around without being hooked in place. I wish the ID.4 had a frunk, but more importantly I wish it had the little hooks for grocery bags. Tesla also needs to add those back on. They add a ton to the frunk’s usefulness. 2. Power - 201HP is really on the low end for a vehicle of that size, at least in my opinion. The 302HP AWD (GTX) version will be slightly faster, but still it’s going to offer acceleration probably on par with a SR+ 3 at best. I want a hot ID.4 with over 450HP. 3. Colors - I want more interior and exterior colors. I want a beige option, not just black or gray, and I also want some other dash trim material options. 4. The main infotainment screen looks a little small 5. I’m really mad that VW of America is not offering the 360° surround camera system OR the augmented reality heads up display on N. American ID.4, but everywhere else it will be offered. For $50,000 for a loaded ID.4, those two things should be included, at least as options. I don’t understand why VW continues to de-content US models. 6. Adaptive Damping - this should be available on higher trim levels considering the price 7. We need the ID.6 (3-row version) 8. Faster DC charging - I wish they’d adopted an 800V architecture like Hyundai/Kia is doing with the Ioniq 5/EV6 to enable sub-20 minute 80% chargers. Maybe a future update will bump up peak speeds to 175-200kW… 9. Electrify America has got to fill gaps along major interstate highways and highly traveled tourist destinations (think coastal regions of the south and mid-Atlantic like VA Beach; NC Outer Banks; Wilmington, NC; Myrtle Beach, SC; etc. THINGS I LIKE ABOUT THE ID.4 BETTER THAN THE TESLA: 1. Real Radar-based BLINDSPOT MONITORING that works in all weather conditions, unlike Tesla’s unreliable and almost useless camera system 2. Cross traffic detection 3. Better ride quality and lower noise levels 4. Much better styling on the exterior than a Model Y 5. Dealer network means you can go many more places and be within 25 miles of a dealer, whereas Tesla’s service centers are few and far between, sometimes in excess of 500 miles from certain locations. 6. Driver information display in front of the steering wheel 7. CarPlay and Android Auto 8. Entry level price 9. Federal Tax credit still applies 10. 3 years of free DC fast charging 11 RAIN SENSOR - anyone that has had the unfortunate experience to use Tesla’s “auto wipers” on any Model 3/Y or recent S/X will know that Tesla’s camera-based rain sensor is garbage. The ID.4 uses the gold old infrared rain sensor that every other car in the world uses (because it works).

I am looking forward to the Mach-E review and the blooper episode.

Nice to hear the contrasting viewpoints

Really glad to hear about your upcoming series on Mach-E. I’m 99 44/100% Sure it’s the electric car for me. I’ve tested one for 24 hours an awd extended range premier. I drove over 145 miles and charged over nite on a 240v 16amp charger I use for my Ford Focus EV. I live in central Texas and drove in traffic on the interstate. I’m 77yo retired engineer and in Texas I’m not giving up my Cadilliac Escalade nor my 2004 Corvette. But I will have a mustang.

Seeing Sandy's bloopers will just reinforce what his followers know- that he's a very normal person who also is an expert on manufacturing and cars. The former is why we watch him instead of other channels. His peeves and reactions are easy to relate to and much better and mire useful information than glowing shallow feature overage. Unlike me he doesn't "mansplain".

wow Alex keeps jumping from car to car, I like his channel but seems to be a bit jaded on tesla.

can't wait for the bloopers.

Maybe Alex should start considering a Drone purchase to become the Tesla Nevada updates KZfaqr 😂 Congrats to Alex and as usual, thank you so much for your tremendous insights, technical knowledge & wisdom sharing. It's always a wonderful experience the opportunity to see your videos. Cheers 🥂!

It was so nice to see 2 gentleman. With slightly different views on a vehicle. I have so much respect for you guys. Nicely getting the interview done. Thanks for another excellent video. Keep them coming!

The frunk should be a non issue for anyone coming from ICE vehicle. There isnt one currently in those. The idea to put the HVAC system into that space as a tradeoff for interior space makes the most sense.

Different for different people..nicely said.

This is a win-win for us viewers. Alex gets to drive ID4 car real world. Sandy gets to give his ID4 opinion from manufacturing stand point.

Sandy I have to say you have the best argument using real world experience and engineering experience. I admire you restraint in the video.

Alex lives in granny mode....lol

No doubt it was an Honest conversation!

Great stuff Sandy, and great format and content. Can't wait for the bloopers, how can you not like a guy who eats kippers for breakfast...from cans from Canada.

When Sandy talks, i listen to every word and feel wiser, When Alex talks, i hear Spin n Waffle and feel ive wasted my time.

Couldn't help but notice the youtube 100k subscriber plaque in the background.....

I have to agree with Mr Guberman. My 2019 Atlas does not switch to front obstruction mode after backing up upon going from "R" to "D". One has to go "R" to "P" to "D" to switch from read obstruction to front obstruction display. I am also a retired software guy who had done a LOT of user interfaces.

Great discussion gentlemen, it's good to hear different impressions as people have different needs and preferences for vehicles. People may not recall all the software problems Tesla had with the early Model 3 screens, VW will improve the UI in time also. Congratulations on your new ID4 purchase Alex!

Sandy is super cool !

Great episode! I know Alex has become a bit anti Tesla, I do not really understand why, after he has owned one for so long.. Right now his choice for the ID4 seems mostly based on his financial situation and accepts the drawbacks, of which the most important one is the user interface... But hey, its a lot of car for not too much money! I saw one a few days ago parked in my street where I live (Netherlands), I think the ID4 is a nice car and will do very well.. but I have a MIG Model Y Long Range AWD with Tow Hitch and FSD on order, and no way I will cancel that for a an ID4... Model Y from Berlin will be awesome!

I love your work Sandy. Play your shows as they really are produced. Then we can have a laugh every show. Your a pretty good comedian. And you don't know it? You getting stressed in the back seat was my best laugh so far. I laugh every time I think of it. That frunk carry on was funny lol. Then getting to a charging station in the VW was funny as hell. Keep it up you grumpy old man you. Jokes aside, your awesome at it all. Thank goodness I found your.

Alex, this was the Very Best conversation that I have watched / listen with you.🤩

Actually best background Alex has ever had - can’t stand that blue background he has with the up nose camera angle... this is so much better please keep it this way!

Alex you are totally shilling for all your sponsors who support your channel vw xpev etc you are not impartial at all

>be humble car salesman >be brought on to an engineer's show >realize you can't really bull* your way about any concrete facts >muh ux

Reasonable. A used Model S is another alternative. Free supercharging on some 2017s and all prior years. Surprised neither of you mentioned design to cost component. That is a major driver of virtually everything, including software. A full width OLED screen? What's not to like? The cost.

Tear it down Sandy!

Alex strikes me as someone who loves to defend the underdog, years ago that was Tesla, now as strange as it sounds is VW.

Two enjoyable and informative channels.

Amazing video!

I have no idea why Sandy wasted screen time with Alex. He is not objective. I will not say that he is dumb, he is not: It just happens that when he tries to think he gets unlucky.

I have a lot of respect for you Sandy. I agree with your testing methodology - stuff never works when you’re in a hurry, it is the best way to find flaws

best part of the interview is from 18:35-24:43. if that's all you get from it, it's the most important section. I'm a VW guy since my first car in 1986 to two other VW's up until 2018 when I leased my first I3. In May, I'll get my second I3 (lease). Almost leased a M3 but my BMW salesman was hungry. So I'm back with BMW, at least for the next 3 years.

Thanks for your review of the ID.4. Have you taken any of the BYD vehicles apart?