Loool

Cheers!

lens to attached directly ? who

Sony was dumb, they went cheap route to buy that trash uneven pixel color count

😅

Next he makes a video how to avoid getting children or getting blinded by sunlight fucking A

Awesome - and THANK you for being detailed! I'm receiving some VROptician lenses myself now and will do experiments like this myself. Thanks for the info

Pfffttt return it? Never.

@@13Gangland frr i feel like its not a big deal tbh. Psvr 2 is one of the best headsets out

@@soeiruh Nice, man! Just let us know how it goes and report about any results.

I heard you could also adjust the colorblindness settings so that the green light is less visible which I can imagine might be more pleasant than wearing sunglasses in VR... Only downside is that it's a systemwide setting so if you want to play flat games you'll want to turn it off again. What's better than blocking the green light which causes mura? Well reducing the amount of green light of course 😉👍

Yes, being patient here right now I think is a good move. Nothing to lose from it really.

@@AltVR_KZfaq also I forgot to add, really appreciate you putting the effort in to not only investigate a solution (something I haven't seen ANY other channel do) but you put that info out there. You didn't have to do that, so hats off to you for putting that effort in to help others in the VR community.

I read a reviewer who bought multiple pairs and he said mura was same in all of them

The OLED tradeoff might be the vibrant colours as well, but the most noticeable upgrade is the infinite contrast. HDR is sooo good in this headset, just try GT7 night driving and you will almost be blinded by the headlights in the mirror. :D

You still have the beyond that has no noticeable mura and better blacks tho (due to pixel dimming). Sony really dropped the ball, they should have waited and used more recent tech@@kemdom

The company VR Works sells prescription lenses for vr headsets. You can buy lenses with a blue color filter. I told them about this youtube review and the green sunglasses. There going to look in to the possibilitys for lenses with green light reduction.

@@petermulder7480 Already ordered lenses to block blue light from VR Optician. Im going to glue on top a polarised film sheet (you can google those filters). It reduces the mura a bit without sacrificing too much brightness. But I’ll keep an eye on these future mura reduction lenses :)

@soeiruh is the mura effect worse then on the PSVR1 ?? I didn't mind it on the first system.

@@petermulder7480 Never tried psvr1 to compare. Im very susceptible to it so I’m trying all the tricks to mitigate it. On brighter games Its not too bad

@@soeiruh did the blue light filter help at all? Since green is just blue + yellow. Also how did the using the polarized lens sheet work?

the first thing I did with my quest2 was buy these little rubber rings that snap onto each lens. This provides a little raised area around the lens so glasses can't touch the lens at all no matter how hard I ratchet the headset onto my face.

Yeah I am always worried about this, either my lenses will be scratched, or maybe even worse, my glasses getting scratched or bended... Ugh no fix for this, just got to live life I guess lol, but yes, for those who do not even have to wear glasses this of course is a "new" risk so to speak

@@AltVR_KZfaq I’m honestly surprised you are more worried about scratching the glasses. In Brazil a good pair of glasses are much cheaper than a psvr 2 haha

Too bad :/

Oh cool

Heheheh :D

Hm. Idk, helps with the blurriness, but if its blurry you don't see the mura so... idk

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aMino8iGnaqxj4U.html Sadly Bradley on KZfaq says this can be fixed through updates

Yeah that makes sense

Hm. I just figured that I'd be able to film what I saw, and stuck a camera lens down there. Haven't tried with a smartphone camera, I am using the Sony ZV-1 personally for this.

Sorry for taking so long to answer, I'd just hoped I'd be able to check, and I haven't because things are very busy rn. All I know is I did not notice anything being lessened in terms of resolution, but I should be able to test it properly soon

Thanks!

I've reached out to Sony's PR people about the mura issue and got nothing back. It's fair to say it's something that they do not want to discuss, which is a shame as of they were honest about it we could determine if they are all like this or not.

@@AltVR_KZfaq Great contribution! How to make Sony aware to adress this? I am a bit worried that nothing will happen, as this obviously was the case with PSVR1. But 100% sure it could be massively be improved by applying color filters which I would choose in a heartbeat.

@@HorusDigital I saw one guy return and buy 3 pairs and he said the mura is same in all of them

@@KZfaqAreCommunistScum I've tried three and I'd say the same.

Contrast and colour control for headset seems essential. It’s crazy that £550 piece of gear doesn’t have it as standard. I wait with baited breath for the first psvr2 update

Hmmmmm

I’m also color blindness with green and have also mura issues. Very interresting article this👍

Not that I've seen - but one would sort of think so right? Did not notice at least

@@AltVR_KZfaq I agree night scenes on Kayak VR are terrible. same for night races on GT7. do you recommend any type of sunglasses or ones with specific type of lenses? thanks!

Unfortunately also cylindrical, I had bad luck getting somewhere with this today, but it might be possible in the future, I just need to get a hold on something that can work

Update - one of the pieces I had placed over a lens fell off and there was only a slight increase in mura - so having a rose red transparent film over the right hand lens only seems to prevent most mura but means you still see the bright lights and the red tint is minimised I’ll continue to experiment but I managed to play GT7 for an hour and enjoyed it rather than getting annoyed as normal

Very interesting, thanks a lot

Nice, soft as in not so dark?

@@AltVR_KZfaq Yeah. Which makes me think it’s not about brightness, but about cutting some wavelengths.

they could just reduce color brightness green sub pixels and that would reduce the mura effect massievly.

@@KryssN1 Indeed, pretty sure this could be done without massively impacting the color spectrum! I would choose less mura and instead slightly changed colors in a heartbeat. How to raise this improvement request to Sony? I am tempted to wait for a software fix, on the other hand currently unsecure if it will happen. Refund and panel lottery nobody wants to do, its a pretty silly game.

I noticed in the GT7 VR showroom, there is static noise on the dark shadow area even in the social screen output on the TV, so some of the screen door effect maybe caused by the game.

@@johnsonluk3468 apparently screen door and mura are two different things but I still don’t understand the difference. All I see is a grainy mess in NMS 😢

@@tronlady1 Now the more I played with it. It is definitely mura caused by inconsistency of the color and brightness output for each pixel.

That is awesome to hear! Thanks for reporting!

@@AltVR_KZfaq What about those lens inserts, arent they orderable from Sony directly? They also could offer a no mura version for those who are affected a lot? Instant buy.

Already in contact with VROptician here now

Sorry, I read now that this suggestion was already made :)

Not any settings as of now!

hmmmm! fuck, I sold mine, but sounds promising. Pinning this. Mine were polarized so got darker

@@AltVR_KZfaq they work amazing. Re8 looks super clear, but if you ever make another video about it, one thing you should mention is that it interferes with eye tracking. Other than that, it's a great fix.

I want to share a comment that I once came across in this video: UPD. KZfaq removes the link to the channel where I saw the comment, but the video itself is 12 minutes and 17 seconds and is called psvr2 best tips. It was left by a user under the nickname: KZfaqAreCommunistScum Here is the text of the comment: 1. U missed the best tip. Enable high contrast mode and in accessibility turn on the green filter to drastically. Reduce MURA effect. 2. Next they ask: How did you learn this? And he answers: because the diodes sony used , use twice as many green lights as blue and red. So i put on green filtering sunglasses and mura completely dissapeared, then looked in settings to get rid of glasses. Glasses work better but i dont want to wear them. Its not called green filter i forgot name but look for color filter in accessibility, i think its center option. High contrast mode and filter color. I contacted a vr lenses company about this and they are considering making green filtering lenses similiar to blue light filtering computer glasses. Sony was just a cheap slob by using the diodes they picked. Cutting corner to reduce price by not having even colored diodes. 2 green 1 red 1 blue is the ratio. I tried this method and then adjusted the colors so that the pink became red. Something has changed, but I can’t say how much. I tried this method just 6 months ago. Try it yourself and tell us how the experiment went. I hope KZfaq doesn't take down my comment because I added a link.

Not really much effect from it here unfortunately

Please do report back! Wish I had some that weren't so dark as well but

It's hard to describe, but the role of "green" as a constitute of any colour is not just to display the colour "green." I did not see in my testing anything that would be green as such, but in real life wearing these glasses I do see green - but all the colours have a distinct filter where they lean more towards the red/blue. Sorry really hard to explain -- i aim to show it eventually -- but first just try with regular sunglasses that increase light intensity across a broader spectrum!

That now seems more likely after seeing this great video. Let’s hope they make an effort to mitigate it.

I'm afraid it might not be as easy as "reduce green", but yes, I hope that some guidelines for color schemes etc., and probably some magic, could do the trick. But... giant corporations and generally good reviews... not sure

Already in contact here with VROptician ;)

Hmm no my glasses already filter away blue and it doesn't really help

@@AltVR_KZfaq cool. Would you say a transparent green film fixed over the top of the lenses would work at all. Or is that not how the green tint sunglasses work?

Alas, no, not yet :-(

Tried at night time?

@@AltVR_KZfaq I just made a poll on Reddit out of curiosity. Obviously ~20/25% do not experience mura at all. There might be a pretty huge tolerance in manufacturing (which is not nice for sure).

Helps a bit, not much for me, but people should try it for sure

no they didn't seem it to be interesting/feasible

It does help somewhat

Might be. Vertical banding on OLED TVs can often get better after a while of viewing/gaming so

Please explain moee

Good it helped for you! Didn't work much for me personally

Wish I understood it all myself :p

Huh, had not thought of trying that. Will do

Played a bit around with the color filters available (red/green, blue/yellow and so it) in the accessibility options, unfortunately no effect at all :-/ Maybe this would be an option affecting only the Psvr2 goggles but not the screen?

@@stefansalzinger9346 do you mean just the monitor but not yet VR or?

​@@stefansalzinger9346 Idk what you mean, the goggles have the mura effect...

@@AltVR_KZfaq Exactly. I mean - honestly the display is gorgeous no doubt, if we could eliminate that mura it would be just wonderful!

I'm afraid I think it might only be for HDMI output, but I can't remember if I tried it or not. I tried general HDT calibratiom but that was not applied

Nice tip

I’ve also seen people play with the colourblind setting but I didn’t like how all the colours looked afterwards but may work for some… let me know if this works for you..?

Might have to test it again?

oh, interesting

As a matter of interest, did you try the other set at your own property or at theirs?

@@andyspoo2 I replaced mine by a new one and am satisfied now

Hope so!

Well, to frame it differently, I'm sure not seeing perfectly coild help mask thr mura

I dont have glasses and see mura, dont know how much more or less comparing to other people though. I see it the most in setting menu, RE demo also, when I play Pavlov I guess I dont pay much attention to it. Im new to VR and its a bit disappointing...expectations were high.

@@sfxjura8834 I do see the mura as well if I go looking for it. But it doesn't bother me or take me out of the immersion, even when playing RE:8 which I've found is where it's most visible. So I wondered if people with glasses see it more and it's bad enough for them that they notice it all the time. Do you get eye strain or eye discomfort otherwise? Cause I did at first, until I figured out the correct IPD and headset position. Mura is my only remaining visual artifact for me now. And it's pretty tame, so really doesn't bother me. I think your expectations were probably too high if you thought it would match the clarity of a 2000$ OLED TV for only 550$. Also VR displays just aren't there yet, but it should still look sharp and crisp, with good colors and contrasts.

@@didibus I have Samsung Qled 55qn90b that I bought for around 800E and the pic is mind blowing, I didnt want to buy Oled on purpose and yeah I expected it to be close to that, thats what everyone advertised it as...anyway, I accepted it as it is and enjoy gaming but man we were conned.

@SFx Jura Probably because I have another VR headset and tried a few I had realistic expectations. But I want to say, your TV is already 200 euro more expensive. Also, the OLED in the PSVR2 is as good, if not better than your TV, but you sit far away from your TV, don't have magnifying lenses in front of it, and it doesn't have to perfectly match up with your head movement in real time. Also, if you ignore the mura, you should see as clearly as your OLED TV, albeit in 2k (because PSVR2 is 2k per eye, not 4k). If you don't, you don't have it adjusted properly, or you have eyesight issues and need glasses, or you've got a faulty unit. P.S.: For an extra 200$ euro, I'm pretty sure they could have fixed mura. They could have run demura in the manufacturing process. But consumers are insanely price sensitive, even 50$ more and they'd have sold millions less units.

oh really. that sucks too i guess? a more evenly/cut off light intensity problem at one side, like vertical banding in oled only horizontal?

Totally agreed. Odyssey is still the best for immersion after all these years. Even though the controllers are jank by comparison and resolution and SDE are not great, I stop thinking about it and there's none of that quite terrible film grain effect as on the PSVR2. LCD blacks ruin immersion as your pupils don't dialate and you can see light coming out of what is supposed to be a shadow. Could I ask about the lens mod and how to source the info on that?