They get money, Elon does not get money. They are being paid. Elon not. Elon can just take his people and do his own spiel elsewhere. And F..K the US of A.

You re so smart

Over the last 27 months TSLA has dropped around 230 points. During this time Elon has lost millions for thousands of investors.

@@thewolfdoctor761 Yes, and you would do better and demand the CEO post for yourself. Go ahead and convince the judge that she gves you the job. Good luck. If you do i will sell everything Tesla and buy VW. Just FYI.

@@thewolfdoctor761 Over the 24 months, HE HAS NOT TAKEN ANY PAY or is under any PAY PACKAGE. He is basically working for FREE. Are you going to work for FREE for a company also???????? I BET NOT....Idi0t....Know your FACTS before you say something dumb. When those pay package was in effect, if he didn't meet those goals set by the company, which were almost impossible to meet, then he would have gotten a ZERO dollars.

TSLA is down 230 points over the last 27 months. This is also what Elon did for Tesla.

@@thewolfdoctor761 What is it compared to the time the suit was filed? 10 fold? Is he responsible for that ?

​@@thewolfdoctor761go away libtard 😅

@@thewolfdoctor761 This will age like spilt milk. Let's revisit in 10 years.

@@user-qh9lu5cl6n If Tesla can stabilize itself, it has a good future. Right now the Board of Directors and Elon are a disaster. If they can't get their act together, I can see the stock dropping well below $100.

the board can try to give the same or equivalent package with better info to shareholders and have them vote it again. Their winning point wasnt the sum of money but the lackluster communication to shareholders.

@@sza2bom Funny how lacklustre platforms by politicians that get voted in and never materialize.... that's ok? But a little poetic licence with some rules to execute a nearly impossible task to achieve outsized rewards with a failure of a single goal in the list of goals meant he got nothing... that's a problem? I can't see this standing up to an appeal. I can however see them re-writing the package and it being even more lucrative than the last and it being passed by vote again.

​@@sza2bomPfff that won't stop a corrupt judge from STEALING his compensation package in 5 years when all Tesla objectives have been met

Ok? Who cares. The judicial system doesn't give a fuck what a bunch of other shareholders *think and feel,* just the law. Maybe, idk, suck it up, buttercup.

@@sza2bomthe same judge forced Elon to buy Twitter even if Twitter did not disclose bots are 50% of their active users

Although I disagree with the ruling, this lawyer’s point was that the shareholders made a decision without having all the information; meaning, the board withheld information from the shareholders at time of vote. That is a very dangerous statement especially for a ‘public’ company. There needs to be full transparency of an issue that is being put to a vote by the board to the shareholders. Otherwise we are in for other companies abusing, manipulating and/or misleading their shareholders at time of voting. The implications are quite broad…

@@SonTimbacorrect. Elon and the board did not do this properly. It was unethical. The board has a fiduciary duty to the shareholders. Shareholders voted on the pay plan in light of that fundamental expectation. The board submitted the pay plan for a vote without engaging in a meaningful negotiation. By far the most lucrative pay plan in history and no real negotiation? That’s not lawful or ethical conduct.

Oh ya! I bought $TSLA shares and voted "yes" because I thought @Elon was a bend-over pussy that lifted his tail to the status quo crew. And I thought he was not at all manipulative.... NOT! Company executives withholding information? Company executives doing shit to boost their company's stock? Oh ya, that never happens... NOT!@@SonTimba

@@singed8853 Did you even look at the CONDITIONS for the pay to be in effect??????? Why don't you go and look at it yourself and see if you would have agreed to those conditions when it was almost impossible for Elon to meet those conditions because they were unrealistic, almost, but he actually accomplished it.

@@1flash3571 Elon agreed to those conditions. He believed it was to his benefit and he was correct. Was he crazy or stupid or irrational? Why wouldn’t I do it too? Furthermore the board and Elon had access to internal projections which showed the company was already on track to meet several of the tranches. This was non public info that outside analysts had no ability to evaluate. So yes after reading the opinion I would have taken that deal over a normal comp plan. Without question. The board and Elon attempted to fleece Tesla shareholders.

as is customary in the USA

Why should Elon get $56 billion of shares in Tesla when he’s threatened to take Tesla IP to other companies he runs?

@@joeybulford5266 Wow....dumba$$, HE CAN'T TAKE TESLA IP to other companies he owns. HE can start Ai program at his other companies rather than to push for Ai at Tesla. TWO different thing.

@@1flash3571 And guess where he’s already been developing that AI? At TESLA. He’s already been spending time on it rather than running Tesla, which you know, is why the board wanted to reduce his control of the company. Now he’s taking that AI to a different company? It’s the exact same shit he did with the solar company, convinced shareholders of Tesla to buy his cousin’s failing solar and proclaimed Tesla was now an energy company. Newsflash, they’re not. Tesla has zero revenue from the solar company it spent billions to acquire and your dumbass just let’s him screw you over. He’s stealing money from Tesla

@@joeybulford5266 He already earned that money. And he doesn't care about it, he cares about controlling the company. AI is an extremely powerful technology, worse than nuclear weapons, so he's afraid of losing control of it. And this decision only reinforces his paranoia. If the board can't give him the 25% control he wants beacuse of this, then Elon will build the $100T AI business in one of his private companies, and Tesla shareholders lose.

It worked for Dr. Evil! 😉

Read the opinion. What the Tesla board did was clearly unethical.

@@singed8853 In what way? I loved the package 2018 and loving it now. The share price is 10x even with the horrible market conditions. Which part of this is unethical?

@@andrasbiro3007 The process was unethical. A board is not allowed to neglect shareholder interests and simply rubber stamp the most lucrative compensation plan in history (by a 33x margin). The board was found to have failed to evaluate the compensation package and found to have failed to meaningfully negotiate. That is a violation of its fiduciary duty to shareholders. Shareholders should have done even better than they did over the past few years but they had over 50 billion in dilution - some of which should likely never have existed.

@@singed8853 This is ridiculous. The terms were quite clear for shareholders to evaluate for themselves. It was a literal no-lose deal for them: he was only paid anything if they made money. The targets were widely considered far-fetched at the time. And above all, there is no way to unwind it after the targets have been met. Only Mr. Musk's compensation can be stripped away. The growth he delivered for the company cannot be undone and his time and work cannot be given back to him.

You could have had Elon for a fraction of what the board gifted him. But go ahead and be happy about getting robbed.

How does the lawyer get paid?

My dude. He “works like a dog to make Tesla successful” is bull considering that this is a CAR company, not a tech company. Its priority is cars and they don’t even do it right. The market cap of the stock is based on a false belief that it’s a tech company and make false promises which have yet to be fulfilled.

@@user-xb9dx2mp1z I'd gladly purchase all your Falling Knife TSLA shares at whatever rock bottom plus 10% is in your mind.

@@singed8853 I'm getting robbed by this corrupt judge. If Elon leaves Tesla because of this, my savings could go down the toilette. You can't get robbed when you are willingly enter into a business transaction. Even if Elon would have done it for less, I don't care. If he did it for free, the share price wouldn't be significantly higher, so it makes little difference to me. And I want Elon to have more money, because he's doing cool stuff with it. Among other things, I want a Mars colony, and that's going to cost a lot more than $56B.

Already is planning to

Nobody cares. Delete your account

It was an unjust proposal to begin with. The directors involved in this deal are grossly incompetent and Musk's friends.

Elon loves clueless gullible investors .

@@bobbybishop5662 What is it that you know that I don’t?

​@@bobbybishop5662 Really?? That's all you've got? 🤣

Looks like the law firm made this shareholder involved.

I don’t think the judge is the problem! Elon is leaving him self wide open . Go listen to the break down of the case and you will see how he Is leaving himself wide open and exposing him self to share holders to sue him and after this case and the way the judge broke down her judgement I think this is going to open up a bigger can of worms for Elon . The board is not doing there job clearly and agreeing to pay Elon 55 billion is fine but failing to secure where he spends his time and going to other companies and taking Tesla employees and using them for his private companies is completely inexcusable with out direct compensation and equity for Tesla shareholders in those companies , space X . I support the ideas but it’s bull shit to be stuck on this roller coaster he is dragging us shareholders on and not be compensated with equity in these other companies when they are directly effecting Tesla but take the the time of our CEO , Who we are supposed to to pay 55 billion to . This needs to be addressed and Tesla shareholders need to compensated with equity in space X and X and any other company he has given Tesla resources to . And elons time is Tesla’ s resource And any board that fails to secure that is probably lining its own pockets because they have equity in these other companies and are screwing the public .

@@benjaminlennox3495 You bought a couple of shares and now you own Elon Musk? Hold your horses there buddy, slavery was abolished a century ago. You pay for performance bitch not for his time. He laid out a very good deal - a fuck ton of performance for a massive payout. A majority of shareholders took that deal. If you're not satisfied you can always sell your shares and buy Disney for example. They only pay their CEO 30 million a year. In exchange your share price goes down, not up. I'm sure you will be very satisfied...

@@benjaminlennox3495 The compensation from Tesla for those borrowed engineers (the best materials science team on the planet) was not in dollars but in value. They brought a new material that has allowed Tesla to do things differently. That is the value that was brought. Employees move freely between companies as I understand it. If you're on the team, you're on the team. This is how you retain the best talent in the world. Attract the best and give them freedom to figure shit out. Look at the advances in the Optimus bot since that first wobbly thing waved at everyone on stage. They are moving at light speed. Let them keep moving at light speed. I'm just waiting to see how Elon and his team turn this to their advantage.

@@benjaminlennox3495 Wrong. We shareholders got exactly what we "paid for". And the package expired yeas ago, anything Elon has been done since then doesn't count. Also the same judge forced Elon to buy Twitter. And SpaceX existed before Tesla, so shareholders know what they are getting.

Sorry you didn't consider the Key Person Risk before investing in a company.

actually, the options can be discounted, or not, but usually discounted from the current price when it is granted. I believe that his options price was basically given to him at under a dollar per shares. I could be wrong though. He does have to pay taxes at the current price when he exercise those options though.

@@1flash3571You are wrong, though. They used the price per share of the day the compensation plan was granted. The stock price later went up, of course, but that's normal for options.

No matter how you twist it, its still a payment.😂

I think people here understand what an option is and how it's exercised for profit. Not sure why you're here arguing semantics, this is clearly part of his compensation package. And since musk now lives in Texas he likely won't be paying much in state taxes when he exercises either.

@@1flash3571 no, market value at the time of granting of the compensation plan.

Sorry, I guess it did favor one shareholder, the plaintiff who owned only 9 shares.

Yes, coz all those robotaxis making huge money right now...............

@@anonanon1604 You don't understand how shares work, do you? Imagine if you bought a pizza with your friends. Everyone grabs a slice except Elon who grabbed all the remaining slices. Then his mom yells at him and tells him to put them back. You yell at his mom that she did this to him in favor of herself. Then she corrects you and tells you that when Elon put his slices back it meant that the rest of you now each have more pizza. This is how shares work. If shares are returned or bought back by the company, they are usually destroyed, which means the total shares in circulation will decrease by about 10% which should push the share price up.

@@chunkyMunky329 LOL, that was all kinds of wrong in that explanation

@@mh6037 If I'm wrong then why has Apple bought back hundreds of billions worth of shares over the years? Its because Apple investors are not just illiterate edge lords. They understand that returning shares to the company pushes the stock price up. It is one of the standard strategies used by companies for many decades now.

Tesla is a car and energy company. Tesla is a separate company from X(twitter), spaceX etc. So Tesla is not all that you mentioned. And do not forget that Tesla is a public company, meaning it is prone to public scrutiny.

@@gorkxs can you buy stock in X or SpaceX? No, then Tesla is the only stock you can buy to get standing in the decisions these companies make? The original point of buying stock in a company is to be able to participate in the high levels of decision making and to be penalized or rewarded for their outcome. None of the companies would prosper without Elons influence, he removes anyone that steers the company off course (his vision) and the people who stay want to learn from the smartest person in the room and share the vision. Pretty much every other business out there is focused on personal power and greed and hide it behind a goal that they don’t bother to follow. If you continue to focus on the details in front of your nose and don’t back up to see the bigger picture, all of this is going to be meaningless to you. Elon is doing business a different way, it’s successful and it works wildly better than anything else and I want to learn as much as I can, even when I don’t have anything to contribute to the vision.

😂 You dummy, the major reason why fortune 500 companies are registered in Delaware is you don't pay corporate tax on out of state profits. They're literally losing out on $0 of corporate tax money by Tesla moving to Texas. Why don't you let that cook before I go through your ridiculous list of all things Tesla supposedly does.

This tremendous value comes from hype, not actual promises. Since model Y, they have not improved their performance one bit and have relied on the false promises of robotaxis and AI to do the trick. They still sell California energy credits as their profit maker and barely make a profit with their own cars. Service centers don’t operate well at all. It’s all smoke

@@user-xb9dx2mp1z credits is only a small fraction of Teslas profit. They’re the only company making a large profit off EVs (BYD makes a small profit) while legacy automakers are still losing money selling EVs. The street is valuing Tesla as a tech company not just a car company. Model Y is a best selling vehicle in the world despite costing twice a corolla. Imagine when the 25k next gen Tesla comes out. There’s a reason why Tesla has 26 Billion cash in hand and virtually zero debt.

@@tongtran007 No, Elon is forcefully claiming Tesla is a tech company with his fanatics when the market is always considering it a car company. It’s all a game in that company with future promises but no actual results. Also, even if Tesla makes the $25k car, it’ll overwhelm their market placement because anyone middle class or that can barely afford would match model 3/model y. By having a $25k car, he has no other market. It’s all a sham on his part

they are afraid Musk would stand up and leave to concentrate on spacex and whatever other side projects. If Musk leaves that would be a huge hit on share price (probably)

Doesn’t matter. Read the opinion. What the Tesla board did is 100% unethical and they essentially robbed billions from the shareholders. If this decision is upheld on appeal it will serve as a warning to other corrupt/conflicted boards.

@@sza2bom Exactly. That's why they shouldn't mess with his package. Even if not everything was perfectly by the book, there's no actual harm.

silly America ! We should protect Elon. Just idiotic these guys. America is falling . Hhhhhh

That's nonsense. Firstly, when Elon's shares are eventually given back, they might be destroyed by the company which is the same as a share buyback. It reverses the dilution that occurred when Elon was given his shares. So all shareholders benefit. Also, stock prices can go down in a day and then bound back in a week or two. Its meaningless.

None. They won't even take the case. It does not have any novel Constitutional questions. Tesla is incorporated in the state of Delaware as a tax haven, and they have to accept the consequences of Delaware Law that comes with that.

Corporate governance is a real thing, if you don’t like it, then don’t go public.

You should be grateful for this shareholder fighting for YOUR UNGRATEFUL ass.

Pretty much the entirety of the TSLA retail sector would do so. It might be enough. TSLA has the largest proportion of retail investors of any company. I can't imagine why? LOL

Here, have a tissue.......

dude, pls, I'm crying with laughter

I'd bet that this lawyer is going to make "too much money".

The problem was the board didn’t evaluate what Elon was worth and did not negotiate what he should be paid. That’s the ethical breach that allows the package to be thrown out.

@@singed8853 Who are you or some random judge to say what could or could not be negotiated? The package was considered a steal by almost everyone in the financial media since Elon was going to get NOTHING unless he delivered INSANE results for the shareholders. Again the shareholders were more than happy with the deal. It made them a fuckton of money. The reason for all of this is quite simple. Elon bought Twitter. And these liberal ass hats really, really want it back. Since Zuckerberg couldn't make his stupid Threads work despite getting a ton of hype from their minions in the media the only option left for them is to go after his money so that he is forced to sell it.

@@NotYourBusiness-bp2qn sorry but I think you’re just plain wrong on this. If you read the opinion you will see the board projected several tranches to be met within a couple years. This was non public information. It was in fact considered likely that he would earn billions - if you had the information the Tesla board was privy to. If you didn’t have the info then you couldn’t properly evaluate the compensation plan. A board of directors has a fiduciary obligation to the shareholders. I don’t care about the politics of the judge because I read the opinion and it’s obvious to me that the Tesla board was and is corrupt and does not have the best interest of Tesla shareholders as it’s primary concern.

@@singed8853 The board projected what? The increase in stock price? Yeah, sure, that's how the stock market works you just know how your stock will perform in the next couple of years. You are a imbecile. I don't converse with imbeciles. Bye.

You think people would have learned this after he told Disney to GFY. It’s entirely clear what will happen if you try to Blackmail the richest, smartest, most influential person on the planet? He will make sure the whole world will see just how awful you are. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Yes, that point of view is called in other words : sanity

It was. The lawsuit has been kicking around for years.

Cause no one believed Elon could meet those crazy performances metrics

@@amythomspon956 except the board. And except Elon. Read the opinion. Their internal non public projections at the time indicated Tesla would hit several of the tranches within a couple years. Yet they gave him tens of billions anyway.

You are

@@badpuppy3lmfao . Elon bad?

Yeah the 12 targets were intentional set low

​​@@fauxbro1983SET LOW!?!?!? They were considered impossible by the general consensus of everyone with an opinion in the media. He reached his goals, allow the guy to buy his shares. The tax withheld in that operation goes to the IRS and the stockholders are richer for it.

@@fauxbro1983 I don’t think so, especially the market cap one, have you looked at them?

Boosey Hoosey bubba blubber

Sorry you didn't consider the Key Person Risk before investing in a company.

They will lose $56 Billion, if Musk succeeds.

you cant lose billions unless you have billions to lose. The stock price has dropped because of uncertainty . Nobody loses a dime unless they sell their Tesla stock at a loss. Its also made it so shareholders can buy Tesla stock at a lower price. What its really doing is allowing short sellers to get out of short positions. Shareholders will vote on another package Elon will get what he deserves and the Tesla stock price will GO to the MOON. THE ROBOTS ARE COMING .

Right after he gave up that very power by way of selling his shares for acquiring twitter, now wanting to use tesla as an atm for that decision while threatening to not give tesla the AI advantage share holders bought into; a bit of bait and switch… again, the rules change when its a ‘public’ company. No one is questioning his right to do with his company whatever he wants, what is being questioned is what he does with a public company. I disagree with the ruling, but also understand their point especially after Elon’s AI threat against Tesla.

You are hopelessly naive if you believe he simply wants more control. Read the court opinion. He has the board in the palm of his hand. He controls it essentially completely. He’s lying to you - he just wants a giant payday without appearing greedy. Bloomberg isn’t foolish enough to just report what Elon says as if it’s factual.

Elonstans begging to have their shares diluted to all hell lol. Buncha geniuses they are.

@@one1blue Are you really this dumb?????? Do you think Tesla would be where it is today without ELON?????????? Go back to your mother's basement, idi0t.

@@one1blue Shares are up 10x since the time of the lawsuit.

Sorry you didn't consider the Key Person Risk before investing in a company.

The old dude is the lawyer representing the Tesla shareholder who took issue with Elon's pay package.

Sounds like you have some real high level thinking capacity.

You don't know what you're talking about. People have made billions of dollars from the rise of Tesla and it was all done on behalf of the government's help. Musk did exactly what he was supposed to do in order to receive his compensation package. He did what NOBODY thought was EVEN remotely possible but he pulled it off. He deserves his compensation. This decision did nothing but hurt the stock and the shareholders. I agree with musk. Get the hell out of Delaware.

I completely understand your concerns. Navigating the financial markets can be very challenging

What I would suggest you do is seek the proper guidance of a professional advisor that can manage your portfolios the right way

You're right Roberts. I have been working with a seasoned professional advisor for the past one year now, and it's been an amazing experience both financially and mentally

His full name is Kurt Bastian Vogel

Kurt and his management team have completely transformed my financial life and mentality towards wealth creation and investment.

Also: BYD

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT>

The judge also admitted that they did not know what they would consider "fair" in regard to the compensation amount. Guess you can legally know for certain if something is unfair even if you have no idea what would be fair.

@@anonanon1604it makes perfect sense. All the court has to do is determine if a package was fair. If it’s not the work of the court is done. Flaws in the process was what caused the fundamental unfairness.

Idk maybe don’t have your brother on the board putting forward your pay package? Tesla actually needs to be investigated.

$55 billion payout for a company that made $10 billion in profits last year. I don’t need to be a judge to tell you Elons trying to take the money and run. Leave you all holding the bag. Have fun holding down that bag gents. Lol.

@@joeybulford5266Maybe any board without brothers must be fair.

The judgment that you have read none of. This is the state of discussion in our society. No interest in substance.

@@singed8853 The pay package that 73% shareholders voted, that no one realistically believed Elon could achieve, essentially will work for free and that increased Tesla stock price by 1100%- just to be override by the hatred of Elon’s political opinions!!?? Every company should ask this politician judge if she approve of their board of directors picked!

@@akira28shima32 consider reading at least a portion of the opinion. If you read it you will be unable to defend what the board did.

@@singed8853 I should read 200 pages of shiit soup!?? As an Tesla investor that owned more than 9 shares, this judge is clearly writing a political opinion. Should Tesla go to her for permission to hire their board of directors now!?

@@akira28shima32 why do you think the Delaware chancery court exists? I’m not saying you should read the full 200 pages. But if you don’t even read portions it’s in my view wrong to be so highly critical of the decision.

You give him 100 billion. What the Tesla board did was unethical. They’re supposed to act on behalf of shareholders and they did not gets.

Sorry you didn't consider the Key Person Risk before investing in a company.

Yeah I want my neighbours car

@@JamesTudsbury musk fan boy at large!

@@JamesTudsbury Really? Tesla is an overvalued car company. My apologies for the folks in the thread who have stock in this ridiculous company thinking it is an AI company! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Have you read any portion of it? The board robbed shareholders by failing to meaningfully negotiate a pay package that was by far the most lucrative in business history. That’s not okay.

He never states what was or wasnt said that was misleading.

Vapoware salesman going down with partially-existent and non-existent Teslas

Elon commits borderline fraud on a daily basis. And even if the guy is a minor shareholder, the law does not say that a mob of sycophants gets to vote away an individual's rights to not be defrauded

HE WAS A SHORT SELLER ................ he never really owned any stock .

Thats not how the law works. If you own part of a company the other stakeholders and shareholders cannot vote away your legal rights and leave you with only the option of selling

@@chunkyMunky329not how public companies work. Or democracy. That’s why voting is important . And the package is now voted FOR twice

It's not scary if everything is above board, which wasn't the case here.

No. It is AWESOME that an abused lied-to shareholder has the power to fight back and achieve justice against a spoiled freeloading terrorist (Musk)

the winning argument was not telling everything to shareholders "material information" but saying what that was exactly was conveniently not mentioned. just the Billions witht the B - which wasnt problematic.

100%. This judgment protects shareholders beyond Tesla. What the Tesla board did was completely unethical. You essentially don’t negotiate a compensation plan that is by far the most lucrative in business history? That is a complete violation of shareholder trust. This is a public company not Elon’s plaything!

@@sza2bomyou didn’t read the opinion.

Because 70% of shares is not actually 70% of shareholders! 40% of Tesla is owned by groups like BlackRock and 10% is owned by Elon and other employees. So really, there's only 20% of the public shareholders voting yes against 30%

Unless you invested in the last 27 months, where you are more than likely to have lost money.

@@thewolfdoctor761 YEA and this suit did not help .