MUST WATCH - Can a Test Light Damage Your Cars PCM ?

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Ratchets And Wrenches

Ratchets And Wrenches

Күн бұрын

In this video we are going to go in depth on whether you run the risk of damaging your cars computer (PCM, ECU, ECM) by using a test light to send voltage on different signal wires for sensors on your car when said sensor only sends less voltage than battery voltage. But not just that, I am also going to show you safe way you can send voltage to your pcm without even using a test light.
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@myRatchets
@myRatchets 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Do it yourselfers, sorry for not uploading videos for a while, I've been super busy doing projects around the house and with my election campaign. Will be uploading soon and updating you all. cheers
@myRatchets
@myRatchets 3 жыл бұрын
There's a good chance both my opponents might not make it to the election so not giving up.
@kdash3215
@kdash3215 3 жыл бұрын
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@Dfygy
@Dfygy 3 жыл бұрын
What election?
@fastrice3461
@fastrice3461 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update. Hope to see you soon!
@kamutiub
@kamutiub 3 жыл бұрын
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@videoviewer00001
@videoviewer00001 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are to the point & thorough, without rushing to complete a/some thought. Not many engineers, electricians, etc. can explain as well as you do. Thank you & please keep up with the good work.
@x-man5056
@x-man5056 4 жыл бұрын
The gynecologist joke was gold. LMAO I'm stealing that one. Bless you for trying to squeeze a 40 hour basic electricity class into a 12 minute video. Important thing to remember is that Volts are pushed, Amps are drawn. Example: a 12 volt battery in a 6 volt system will fry anything that gets turned on regardless of amps drawn but you can run a small 12V test light with power from a 12V, 800 CCA (Cold Cranking Amps) battery without worry. AND, electricity, regardless of voltage, amperage, or if AC or DC always follows the least resistive, path to ground. BUT, the higher the Voltage (not amperage), the more resistance it can overcome. It's high voltage (like spark plug wires) that will let you know you really screwed up, quickly. Happy New Year!
@WestCoastUSA546
@WestCoastUSA546 3 жыл бұрын
It was gold only for mysoginists like you and those who make references to women in a way that isn't warranted, like this insecure prostate examiner who made this video
@x-man5056
@x-man5056 3 жыл бұрын
@@WestCoastUSA546 BWAHAHAHAHA. I don't remember the joke but if I said it was funny then indeed it was. Who appointed you the decider of whats "warranted"? Laughter is always warranted. On behalf of myself and the prostate examiner, ...F.O.
@bikingfencer
@bikingfencer 2 жыл бұрын
@@WestCoastUSA546 so you make a joke about prostate examiners
@joeynobody1138
@joeynobody1138 3 ай бұрын
Remember folks he is NOT an Electrical Gynecological Engineer, but he does play one on KZfaq.😉 Great video.
@joshuapruden6497
@joshuapruden6497 4 жыл бұрын
"These electrical engineers that design this stuff"... Jerkoff hand motion.... Priceless!
@rnieves22784
@rnieves22784 4 жыл бұрын
Is everything ok? Haven't seen any new videos from you in a while I hope everything is ok. Your videos are great hope to see one soon.
@nicholaswarner1143
@nicholaswarner1143 4 жыл бұрын
Wondering the same thing 😳
@JonDahl
@JonDahl 4 жыл бұрын
I came here to ask the same thing. Five months is a long time!
@gmax341
@gmax341 4 жыл бұрын
Same. Honestly forgot about this cool dude until one of his videos popped up in my feed. Now I'm curious too.
@isidroarias3864
@isidroarias3864 3 жыл бұрын
Glad many people are noticing~ Hope everything is ok, really
@JonDahl
@JonDahl 3 жыл бұрын
He’s updated us letting us know he’s been busy with an election campaign! He’s okay! 👍
@Ry77x
@Ry77x 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man, great videos. I’m a new subscriber and inexperienced on working on cars. Besides a Haynes catalog, old guys at work, and a few other KZfaq car guys, you have been a big help with your knowledge and videos. Simple, clear, and informative. Top 4 KZfaq car mechanics that I follow. Excited to see what you put out next. Keep up the good work brotha. 🤘🏽
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd 4 жыл бұрын
Well stated! I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of misadventures happened because of more glaring ignorance, such as accidentally jumping the high amp side of a removed relay into the computer ground relay pin for the control wire. In fact I think I remember ScannerDanner telling a story where he did just that, killing the PCM. I've seen guys apply 12 V with a power probe straight into a communication circuit, relying on the internal resistance inside the PCM to come through. Not wise, even if they do get away with it. Yup, test lights are incredibly good at limiting current, and you get a bonus light to tell when significant current is flowing. Also your remarks about current are spot on, power is what fries connections, and power is the product of resistance and the _square_ of current (voltage drops out of that equation). The test light is critical insurance, especially if you use a low amp light. Many guys use an LED test light when testing computer circuits, or even, as you say, the human body. All that said, I don't know how the op amp devices inside the PCM are designed to react to voltage the circuit is not designed for. There's something very appealing about not sending anything to the PCM that it doesn't see every day.
@wynnhorton1208
@wynnhorton1208 Жыл бұрын
I am trying to diagnose a power window problem, so am considering buying a test light, voltmeter, or multimeter. I play around with computers a bit, too. Can I just buy one device for PCs, cars, and other home stuff?
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd Жыл бұрын
@@wynnhorton1208 Learning practical circuit diagnostics is a process, and in the DIY world the progression can take decades. I would start with an inexpensive multimeter, and an incandescent (not LED) test light. A good place to start is automotive diagnostics.
@wynnhorton1208
@wynnhorton1208 Жыл бұрын
@@spelunkerd thanks. I am researching multimeters right now and leaning towards the AstroAI 6000 or maybe the cheaper AstroAI 4000. I've decided to skip the test light altogether. I'm looking forward to learning, because mechanics aren't cheap and neither are parts.
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd Жыл бұрын
@@wynnhorton1208 Your first multimeter won't likely last very long so don't spend too much time researching the topic. One of the most important lessons is not to measure inline current without enough resistance in the circuit you're testing. Use ohms law to calculate how much current you'll see, and make sure it is under the limit of your meter. If you put both leads across a battery, hook up to measure current, you'll watch the smoke escape from your precious meter, ha ha. Ask me how I know, it is a humbling right of passage. Quality meters have a fuse you can replace, cheap ones are destroyed if you do that once. By far the most critical lesson you need to learn is how line voltage dips down when you get electrons flowing, so called voltage drop testing. The easy way to do that is with a test light, but you can do it with other sources of current draw and a multimeter. Once you learn drop testing fundamentals, you'll reach a whole new plateau of understanding. Happy sailing!
@wynnhorton1208
@wynnhorton1208 Жыл бұрын
@@spelunkerd dang, I almost bought the one with the fuse and did realize the importance of it, but the other took batteries that could be recharged and I liked that. Thanks for your advice
@Miketz
@Miketz 4 жыл бұрын
A couple of observations: 1. "It's the current that does the damage, not the voltage". While mostly true, in practice it is the voltage that causes the current in the first place. (and it is voltage that kills electronics ) 2. Electron flow (from - to +) while technically correct, it should be ignored as it just causes confusion. Convential Current (from + to -) is what everybody else uses. 3. I am an electrical engineer, and I am confused after watching this video. You should have just lead with "Yes, a test light could (in theory) damage a PCM, the engineers have built lots of protection circuitry around the inputs to prevent this happening".
@rpsmith
@rpsmith 4 жыл бұрын
"2. Electron flow (from - to +) while technically correct, it should be ignored as it just causes confusion. Convential Current (from + to -) is what everybody else uses." No! Just Electrical Engineers are science deniers that pretend electrons flow from positive to negative! The rest of us have been properly trained. Aren't colleges great? They turn out socialist by the millions and Engineers that think backwards!
@VashthStampeede
@VashthStampeede 3 жыл бұрын
Point number 2 is for people who don't understand that hooking the negative terminal to chasis ground makes the whole vehicle a source for electrons. With this abundance of electrons, it's easier to tap into them when there's something that needs to use them. The positive just provides the path back to the battery.
@mukwati
@mukwati 3 жыл бұрын
point 1: When dealing with auto electrics, mostly they only need to know if there is a potential energy for a a specif point on any circuit and most of them are open or tested before a connection of interest, this is why he says "tapping-in" at those points isn't affecting anything, especially if the circuit is open (manually/electronically by a board) thereafter.
@pigeonsil240sx
@pigeonsil240sx 2 жыл бұрын
what if i hooked test light to a 5v source to test 5v ref and computer parts that take 5v by getting a 12v to 5v usb cigareete plug adapter,then cut a usb cord and plug this into the 12v to 5v adapter and find which wire is the power/ground and use this to hook test light when probing these 5v computer circuits? this would also drop some of the amperage draw from test light correct? would this be the way to go?
@simonparkinson1053
@simonparkinson1053 4 жыл бұрын
Can a test light damage a PCM? Yes. Here's why. The test light in this video takes 270mA at 12V. That's after the filament has heated, glowed and it's resistance has increased. Roughly 44 Ohms. Let's say that when cold the resistance is only about 11 Ohms. So initially over 1 amp could flow for a fraction of a second. Now what's important here is the circuit design of the PCM. A lot of the time, they have protection diodes so that the input cannot go more than about 0.6V above the 5V reference. BUT If the loading of the 5V reference is less than your test light can supply, you will cause the voltage of the 5V reference to be pulled above 5V and cause internal damage. Initially tool suppliers sold LED test lights (10-20mA) as PCM-safe but in practical terms a lower current (100mA or less) incandescent test light is safe. The one in this video COULD cause damage, dependent on PCM design.
@pigeonsil240sx
@pigeonsil240sx 2 жыл бұрын
This uses a 3w bulb,how about replace it with 2w bulb would drop it to around the 150ma range or what about pre heat the filiment before testing to raise the resitance and lower that initial spike?
@kasualskeptik2584
@kasualskeptik2584 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely great explanation..... I would also add (not sure it's true in all cases), but some of those input pins may be calculating resistance directly, (like an ohm-meter) and not expecting 12v... Also, you may wish to add a limiting 50ohm - 100ohm resistor inline with the light, so as to prevent the excessive "startup current", as Simon was mentioning... The startup current, (also called the in-rush current) only last a few milliseconds, but it may have enough current and enough time to damage you expensive ECM... Know what your testing, and how to test it before "poking" around...!!
@tommysmith3145
@tommysmith3145 4 жыл бұрын
I learn alot from ur video's. Could not stop laughing though, when u said " oh my god, im dead".
@wheeldealstt5445
@wheeldealstt5445 4 жыл бұрын
Who needs college when there's guys like this on KZfaq 😂😂😂
@aaronmcdonald4944
@aaronmcdonald4944 7 ай бұрын
i love the sense of humor in all your videos
@freedom1niner575
@freedom1niner575 4 жыл бұрын
Never stop pretending
@pesapesic4788
@pesapesic4788 4 жыл бұрын
10:43 hand move, lol
@SirBisgaard
@SirBisgaard 4 жыл бұрын
Natural instinct.
@ynsmsd8789
@ynsmsd8789 4 жыл бұрын
A body language used by techs in specific circumstances. Other way it means ( fixing B.S issues)
@jarnorajahalme28
@jarnorajahalme28 4 жыл бұрын
“...supposed to spend a lot of time...”
@tonijohnson09
@tonijohnson09 4 жыл бұрын
I love this guy 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Very good video, bro. Can't leave that out.
@LaGaspa
@LaGaspa 4 жыл бұрын
In extremely simple terms, as I was taught in my Broadcast Electronics class, volts are the pushing of those electrons through a circuit and current is the flow of electrons through a circuit and it can be measured in voltage and amperage.
@Cali_moonshine909
@Cali_moonshine909 8 ай бұрын
I used a power probe and injected 12 v on a 5v ECT sponsor connector like a dummy and had to get a new module… well a used one actually and had it cloned with the old one .. 🤦🏻‍♂️ lesson learned lol never inject voltage into just any wire especially if you don’t know what your doing..
@mbs5328
@mbs5328 4 жыл бұрын
Some output circuits controlled by the PCM are low amperage circuits. Some test lights flow much higher amperage than the one in your video. That could be a problem...
@christopherwietrick7911
@christopherwietrick7911 3 жыл бұрын
Classic! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and the humor is a great touch!
@bwest-yq3uc
@bwest-yq3uc 4 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed you video...while we had them. Wish you well. Hope to see you farther down the line.
@willianandredeoliveira9737
@willianandredeoliveira9737 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite youtuber. Great video!
@td2055
@td2055 4 жыл бұрын
HEY... What's up? I am missing your vids. I enjoy your vids - viewing from Trinidad and Tobago
@fastrice3461
@fastrice3461 4 жыл бұрын
Ohhh so is that what electrical engineers spend their time doing? Another great video, thanks!
@lewisbeshers1946
@lewisbeshers1946 4 жыл бұрын
Bill Nye The Car Guy? Very informative vid. See you next year!
@johnwhite4426
@johnwhite4426 4 жыл бұрын
Hey! Love you channel! Very cool information.
@ingsperalta
@ingsperalta 4 жыл бұрын
Hello From Panama I like so much your videos Your concepts are right. I suggest always use a voltmeter when checking sensor or stuff relared to PCM. In analog voltmeters you can see in the left side of scale a value such ohmsX volts. It usually is 20komhs per volts. For sensor troublehooting 5v bias your analog voltimetr will present 100,000 ohms to circuit in electronics it is call impedance. That value is ok for the test and should not affect the circuit operation. IF you want more impedance you must use a MOSFET voltmeter o simply a digital voltimeter because they use mosfet coupling and shows more than 1Megohm impedance. The lamp test is always ok to test electromechanical devices such relays contacts or to isolate bad conecctions in wiring.
@satchboogyfan
@satchboogyfan 4 жыл бұрын
Omg I love your sense of humor
@fu1945.
@fu1945. 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another technically informed video keep up the good work... please.
@davidmahady8241
@davidmahady8241 Жыл бұрын
I'm super dumb don't get it much at all so I admire you who do !! Electrocuted would be distinct possibility for me!! Got Cobolt power steering can't seem to fix and only ones local willing to deal shorts in cars won't be cheap just bums me out I wish someone knows what they are doing could help😔😔😔
@Erjet1008
@Erjet1008 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, that was a great explanation! Thank you
@wallebo
@wallebo 6 ай бұрын
Wow! Great explanation. I watched it multiple times and will refer to it in the future.
@ganeshnarayan5505
@ganeshnarayan5505 4 жыл бұрын
great video and great infomation thank you.
@MucaroBoricua
@MucaroBoricua 4 жыл бұрын
I'm an electrical engineer and you are on target.
@Mike-gr2ok
@Mike-gr2ok 4 жыл бұрын
@Sam S nice one Sam 👍
@MucaroBoricua
@MucaroBoricua 4 жыл бұрын
Sam S, @2:31 he clearly says that Ohm’s law is correct all the time. Too much ear wax can distort sounds... just saying. I should’ve stated that I was reacting exclusively to the discussion about how the multimeter works. Ohm’s law works all the time, but only in purely resistive circuits. An incandescent light bulb can be modeled as a variable resistor that depends on the filament temperature. If you had the resistance curves of a given filament, you could verify that even then Ohm's law applies. Stop misinforming people.
@MucaroBoricua
@MucaroBoricua 4 жыл бұрын
Sam S, your knowledge and attitude are so wrong that they don’t deserve further discussion. You just hate engineers because we make many times what you make. I’ve seen many of you and your pseudo science. Take a basic electrical course and you might be straighten up.
@michaelmorgan383
@michaelmorgan383 4 жыл бұрын
I finally subscribed and as an old electrician voltage is like the pressure in a water pipe current is like the volume (size) of the pipe. Voltage does not change speed. I like your stuff. Mike
@josecuevas8602
@josecuevas8602 4 жыл бұрын
The resistance of the test light bulb functions as a shunt or ballast, thus only allowing about 7/10 of an amp of current. When you use your body resistance your doing the same but with a lower current value that you can calculate using ohms law. E = I x R E= Electromotive force, and it's unit of measure is volts, and it represents electrical pressure. I = Intensity, and it's unit of measure is amperage, and it represents flow of free electrons of a conductor. R = Resistance, is what impedes flow of free electrons... E = I x R or in it's easy to understand form V = A x R. or Volts = Amps x Resistance. Or Amperage = Volts ÷ Resistance Or Resistance = Volts ÷ Amperage. Free Electrons are the electrons that are on the conductors (element) last orbit of electrons, also known as valance electrons. The more Free electrons an element has, the better electrical conductor it is. Mercury is the best electrical conductor, but it can't be drawn into a wire. Next in line is silver, but cost prohibitive. Copper is the 3rd best and best choice when it comes to cost. Gold is 4th in the list but also cost prohibited, but it used when its resistance to corrosion are more important than cost. eg: electroplating connections of high end stereo equipment. Gold is used in cel phones and satellites... It is the free electrons that in a conductor that is moving, this movement of electrons is measured in amps. Their is a misconception that amps causes heat, it's due to that it's used as guide due to its relationship to heat, as long voltage remains consistent. The truth is that it is the product of volts and amps ( Volts x Amps = watts ) watts is power, watts causes heat, wonder why hair dryer are rated in watts and not amps. Amps is equal in the entire circuit, but the fuse is installed on the postive (Hot side of the circuit) side not the negative side. eg: simple circuit, you have a 12.6V and your load us a head light that draws 3 amps, the whole circuit is going to draw 3 amps, be uses amps is equal throughout the entire circuit, and you can measure this with a DVOM on the postive side and the negative side of the circuit. And the result will be the same. But is you measure the heat on the postive wire vs the negative wire the positive wire will have a higher temperature value then the negative wire. If you measure the voltage drop from the battery positive to the negative end of the head light, then save this valve. Then measure the voltage drop from the negative side of the head light to the negative side of the battery, and also, save this [near zero voltage, in milivolts (mV)]. Then you apply the watts formula [ W = V x A ]. The resultant is the positive side of the (hot side) a high value of watts when compared to the negative side of the circuit, this is why most ECM, BCM, TCM and other computers use ground side switching. I used the term most becuase I have found that Chrysler uses in some of their circuits positive side switching through transistors like un eg: EGR valves and in lighting, In lighting if a similar bulb is used but the watts value is higher than specks, it usually results in smoking the BCM. And if it's an all in one unit, were the ECM, BCM, TCM & ABS is integrated as one as I seen being used lately, the whole unit hast to be replaced. Now back to the test light. I am going to give you an example how can you smoke an ECM, BCM, ABS or a TCM with a test light. New Tech, fresh out of tech school, or an inexperienced Tech. is using a test light, test light bulb, blows out and the Tech needs the test light now, so tech substitutes a dome light bulb. since it similar in size and it's a good fit in test light. The dome light build draws a little over an amp of current [ see the danger] and then uses it to check if the ECM is grounding an actuator. This is how an ECM, BCM TCM or ABS unitl is smoked... And on Chryslers ABS wheel speed circuit, ,don't know is its true on units designed By Fiat/Chrysler, but on units prior. Try using a test light, one that its bulb hasn't been replaced w/a dome lamp bulb. A you will smoke the ABS wheel speed circuit, Also, if use for more than a few minutes on a Chrysler EGR control side circuit, which is the postive side, You will smoke the EGR valve driver... I know I got carried away with this explanation, but I felt is important in understanding how electricity behaves...
@mostlymoparih5682
@mostlymoparih5682 4 жыл бұрын
Good video. Happy Motoring and Happy New Year.
@chiparooo
@chiparooo 11 ай бұрын
Interesting video. Thanks for sharing!
@yllibtaog
@yllibtaog 4 жыл бұрын
Spoiler alert, YES, you can instantly fry your pcm with a test light. Always use a DIGITAL volt meter. An analog meter can fry a pcm the same as a test light.
@JOMaMa..
@JOMaMa.. 4 жыл бұрын
You’re the man in Sun Valley 😎
@radmansa5514
@radmansa5514 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thanks for sharing your knowledge, 👍👌😎😎
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 4 жыл бұрын
Despite the high resistance of intact skin, I still wouldn't rely on it to safely limit current flow if I had a pacemaker or similar device implanted. There are still old unipolar systems out there that could be more sensitive than one might think.
@imtruth69
@imtruth69 4 жыл бұрын
I have been an electrician for over 40 years and I am telling you that some of your info is spot on but on some other stuff you could be steering folks wrong on some of the stuff that you are saying. For one thing when using your test light in series with your DMM you say there is no current flowing. WRONG. Just because the light does not light up does NOT mean there is no current flowing. True that the light bulb will limit the current but there is enough current flowing and voltage to damage some electronic components.Just saying, buyer beware.
@mikepettengill2706
@mikepettengill2706 4 жыл бұрын
The big danger with a test light like that is that you can provide voltage to a coil somewhere on a solenoid and "jump start" your engine or some other system that you have your arm sticking into or are laying under. Be cautious what you test with the lights, it is really just a wire and you are basically connecting things to the battery to see if the other side of the device goes to ground or power. Better to use a meter with one of the additional probes that will show you what is going on if you know what you are seeing on the meter. Also, never push the pointy end through the insulation. You will wish you didn't in a few months when that wire starts to corrode and the resistance goes up and you keep changing "bad" sensors or whatever and it just never acts right again.
@pmgear
@pmgear 2 жыл бұрын
@10:43 subtle but elegant right hand movement😉
@nicholasvonrhine541
@nicholasvonrhine541 4 жыл бұрын
Man you are a riot.great job sir.
@bernt_nielsen
@bernt_nielsen 4 жыл бұрын
I love you channel:)...wondering if you could make some videos similar to what CarWizard is doing? Go through each car manufacturer and say which cars and trucks you would buy and which ones to stay away from? I greatly value your opinion. Cheers!
@imanewera8629
@imanewera8629 2 жыл бұрын
You have a PURE Funny Heart sir. your'e not joking, but still, its funny. Thanks a lot for all your video. I believe this is a great source to learn. May the God bless you.
@farayichakuvinga867
@farayichakuvinga867 2 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyed the video and what's the brand name of your test light?
@jberry1767
@jberry1767 4 жыл бұрын
No new videos in 6 months! 🥺 I miss your videos!
@andrewthompsonuk1
@andrewthompsonuk1 4 жыл бұрын
It does depend on how big your test light is. Go for one with a small bulb. All the pcm drivers that could be damaged will require more than about 500 mili amps before they may fail so a 200 milli amp test light is is fine.
@overload3996
@overload3996 2 жыл бұрын
No, set scope trigger to capture, Place your current clamp over the POS on your battery. Drop your 200 mA test lite to pos and catch the current.
@BoydGilbreath
@BoydGilbreath 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty complex but interesting!
@mohammadjafariyan1022
@mohammadjafariyan1022 3 жыл бұрын
Great video man thank you
@neverstoplearning382
@neverstoplearning382 4 жыл бұрын
Wow my pal very clear. Better than this explanation nowhere else. Happy new year. Best regards.
@rustywrench500
@rustywrench500 4 жыл бұрын
I love your videos man😂
@rottdogsparky
@rottdogsparky 4 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@alexolivera7490
@alexolivera7490 4 жыл бұрын
Good video. Thanks...👍
@ShaunHensley
@ShaunHensley 4 жыл бұрын
Voltage is pressure, current is flowrate
@markdixon392
@markdixon392 4 жыл бұрын
That analogy is often used to describe elementary DC systems, but it is much more difficult to translate to mechanical systems. One more appropriate analogy is voltage to force and current to velocity (where resistance is friction or damper, inductor is mass, and capacitor is spring). The pressure analogy is much more difficult to understand when considering sinusoidal analysis since you have to bring in calculus and transforms. I understand the desire to use the touchy feely mechanical connection in the beginning, but electrical is mostly conceptual (described by math). If you want to bring in an analogy, the math has to work both ways.
@ShaunHensley
@ShaunHensley 4 жыл бұрын
Mark Dixon force is pressure and flowrate is velocity. Those words are synonymous
@markdixon392
@markdixon392 4 жыл бұрын
They aren't really synonymous, and hence the complication I mentioned... pressure is force per area, and flow rate is volume per time. The math is simpler when force and velocity are used. The voltage across an inductor is L*(dI/dt). Current through a capacitor is C*(dV/dt) where V is voltage. In the mechanical system (not water through a pipe, but mass/spring/damper like a car suspension), Force on a mass is m*(dv/dt) where the v is velocity. Note that dv/dt is acceleration (the derivative) ... you know the simpler form as F=ma. If you add area and volume, managing the units is hard. Try it... what is the math model of the pressure of water going through a pipe in your analogy? The description above may not make sense without an understanding of calculus.
@AstroTomK
@AstroTomK 4 жыл бұрын
@@ShaunHensley In non science terms if it works for you. Voltage is potential difference 'like' a water dam levy, current is 'like' the flowrate of water. note velocity of electron is constant doesn't change, the quantity or density of electron flow is current. Force is mass x acceleration measured in Newtons, (acceleration is change in velocity) Pressure is N/m^2 _edit: momentum is mass x velocity_ _my description is simplified, as electrons can have different energy states, so the electron flow above is meant to convey the energy transfer by elections_
@kiyoponnn
@kiyoponnn 4 жыл бұрын
@@ShaunHensley 🤣🤣🤣Found the noob
@WorthlessWhips
@WorthlessWhips 4 жыл бұрын
I thought I had damaged the PCM, but it turned out that I had forgotten to plug the idle air control valve back in on my 305 Tbi! Thanks!
@tykellerman6384
@tykellerman6384 4 жыл бұрын
Now I know thanks for the video 🤠👍
@dimbulb330
@dimbulb330 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe I missed it in your overview but I didn't hear you mention the multimeter itself. Most decent ones are 10 Meg, low end ones maybe 2, analog not much better than the test light. The body thing is easy to forget and has options as two fingers on the same hand, finger to let's say elbow, or across as you demonstrated. Good video.
@frankd.brennan6520
@frankd.brennan6520 4 жыл бұрын
I've heard that static electricity can blow your ecm. It was always good practice to disconnect the negative. I know that systems have gotten more sophisticated, but which one's and when. I think it's better not to take the chance. Just like giving someone a jump. There's a lot of controversy about the weakening of your electronics that can show up months later. Just my 2 cents
@1.9tdilove71
@1.9tdilove71 4 жыл бұрын
Gynaecologist😀😀
@futureshock7425
@futureshock7425 4 жыл бұрын
YOU ARE A PROFESSOR.
@greggc8088
@greggc8088 4 жыл бұрын
A test light can surely overload a low power circuit but I would much rather see a tech with one on those in his hand that a dang power probe. All those should be thrown in the garbage. I work a techline and you wouldn't believe how many modules I hear (actual beeping) get fried by 12V being pushed in a signal or control circuit by a trigger happy tech with a power probe.
@jcmobilediagnostics8611
@jcmobilediagnostics8611 4 жыл бұрын
Greg M power probe is an awesome tool but you have to understand circuit design. I typically use test lights but in some cases power probe saves time. You have to know which tool to reach for given the situation.
@Dtapia63
@Dtapia63 3 жыл бұрын
Why blame the tool? the tool has its purpose and if you use it wrong you pay the price......
@scattkiwiman
@scattkiwiman 4 жыл бұрын
but maybe need be careful though. Suppose you branch the test light to the 5V output that goes to eg. map-sensor (other branch of the test lead to ground) . You will draw 250mA extra to that output. Maybe too high for that particular output (cannot be sure unless you have the specs of that ecu, in most cases you don't have it). When you connect a V-meter to that 5V output it will do no harm because the V-meter has a high resistance input and will not draw any extra current. So I would never connect a test light to a voltage output from a ecu.
@averyalexander2303
@averyalexander2303 4 жыл бұрын
I know that a lot of PCMs have overload protection on the 5 volt reference circuit and won't be damaged even if it is shorted to ground, but I agree. ScannerDanner actually has a couple videos showing this
@scattkiwiman
@scattkiwiman 4 жыл бұрын
@@averyalexander2303 yes sounds logic there would be a protection built in. Thanks for that channel looks interesting !
@steffenwolffe507
@steffenwolffe507 3 жыл бұрын
Good to know you aren't a Gynecologist. That caught me off guard. Well timed, haha!
@franalmendarez1054
@franalmendarez1054 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your channel 👍 🙏 😀
@Xibyth
@Xibyth 4 жыл бұрын
Considering you can get a multimeter for about 10 bucks, it is a far more powerful troubleshooting tool than a test light and is totally worth it to both own and learn to use.
@Xibyth
@Xibyth 4 жыл бұрын
IAMNOSLEEP A test light only confirms there is current running through the system, the battery provides the load. To test continuity (integrity of a circuit) you test the impedance to see if it is open or closed, which can be done with a multimeter.
@Xibyth
@Xibyth 4 жыл бұрын
IAMNOSLEEP will do.
@Discretesignals
@Discretesignals 4 жыл бұрын
@@IAMNOSLEEP that why if you using a meter, you measure the voltage drop of the circuit while it's active. Don't rely on a 250ma test light to load a high amp circuit down.
@kevinjohnson9736
@kevinjohnson9736 4 жыл бұрын
What has happened to the channel? Is he still making videos?
@overload3996
@overload3996 4 жыл бұрын
Now put out a video with a scope current clamp around the .200 Amp test lite, and watch it current rush 2.0 + amps, which burns out the .200- .400-.500 mA drivers. So yes a test lite can easily fry a PCM driver!!!!!!!!!!! ( relay, etc )
@overload3996
@overload3996 3 жыл бұрын
@@charlesgould8436 OTC has a PCM safe tester I use. I just showed my son other day the damage to transistor on a curve tracer with us using a .200 mA test lite.
@MindsDozer
@MindsDozer 2 жыл бұрын
@@overload3996 what do you guys think of the Lisle computer safe test light?
@overload3996
@overload3996 2 жыл бұрын
@@MindsDozer I use the OTC computer safe test lite. Not sure of the Lisle, I could look it up. Price wise maybe better then OTC ??
@overload3996
@overload3996 2 жыл бұрын
LIS34550 is safe, same operation as the OTC. But remember the neg to pos LEDs is at what voltage to current Red or Green. My OTC was green up to about 50 mV, so voltage and current play a margin with these lites.
@hp11208
@hp11208 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, you have a lot of subs now.
@hamskyxxx
@hamskyxxx 4 жыл бұрын
Hey pal, great video as usual. I have a question for you please; Some months back I had a P0171 and P0174 CEL code on my 08 lexus IS350 to indicate that my car was running lean on bank 2. Further down the line I changed both upstream 02 sensors and the codes went away. However I noticed the SFT and LFT on bank 1 are 2.3% and 10.1% respectively whereas that of bank 2 are 2.3% and 14.8%. I've checked under the hood for hissing noises or leaks but nothing. The car runs great however the mpg (14/17mpg) isn't very good. Please what does this indicate?
@pashko90
@pashko90 4 жыл бұрын
For a lot of circuits can be burned with 300ma current drow. I did fix few of them. Specially for camshaft/crankshaft circuits. Try to burn a Led with 300ma 12v, you will probably burn it.
@kingzach5000
@kingzach5000 3 жыл бұрын
You are one of my favorite people
@randyeller8139
@randyeller8139 4 жыл бұрын
Risking a multi thousand dollar part with a $9.00 test light? No. Had a friend who cooked his ecm with a test light... the replacement one was more than what he payed for the whole vehicle used.
@Jays22b
@Jays22b 4 жыл бұрын
ecu signal wires (AVI) are just like you said " a multimeter " , But there's a lot of other wire's in engine bay that are DPO DPI SPI system's and there very easy to blow up . Be careful
@Assertiveman
@Assertiveman Жыл бұрын
Before using you want to make sure your main ground to battery and chassis grounds to chassis are good if you had a even a slightly loose battery terminal, it won't displace current right
@sheerwillsurvival2064
@sheerwillsurvival2064 2 жыл бұрын
Ok excellent demo
@clifbrewster8822
@clifbrewster8822 3 жыл бұрын
I'm new at this kind of mechanics I've alway just been a parts changer so thanks for the info and dammit wish I had your hair on top of my damn near bald head !! Those were the days ...
@faroukkhan6777
@faroukkhan6777 6 ай бұрын
Excellent video thanks, so what is the Best way to test 5volts reference thanks
@jdrs4214
@jdrs4214 4 жыл бұрын
If you have a decent, cheaply made Chinese multimeter..... like the one this gentleman features in this video..... Please don’t leave it in direct summer sunlight (especially at 108•F day), much less in a hot car. I left mine (which was just like this one here) out in the sunlight once, after having gone to lunch. I found it warped, and the display was horizontally half lit. You’ve been warned!!!!
@enriquemartinez7990
@enriquemartinez7990 4 жыл бұрын
What about the LED test light what's the difference worse than regular test light thank you again great video
@cutabove9046
@cutabove9046 4 жыл бұрын
Over load told you below in his comment that inrush current on an incandescent test lamp can exceed two amps. He is correct. Just hook up you scope for a single trigger to your test light and you''ll see the inrush current. Using a meter you only see steady state current. The only place on a pcm you should be using this type of test light is when testing powers and grounds, never on a signal input or output. Besides what does a test light tell you about those pins? Absolutely nothing! You want to test the integrity of the wires going to and from your PCM? Fine, then pull the connector from the PCM and do your testing under a real load that is presented by various bulbs used in automotive. A 2 to 3 amp bulb works well for these applications to determine if a wire can handle a load. And the point where you hook up your multi meter to your test light and tell us there is no current flow because the light isn't illuminated is not true. Of course there is current flow, but because you meter has such high impedance (resistance even on the cheap meters is 1 mega ohm) the current flow is so low it won't light the lamp. Did you forget that in the beginning you told us a meter works by measuring current and showing us voltage by internal conversion to ohm's law? So, if there wasn't any current flow you couldn't measure voltage based on your explanation. Besides, that's why you use a multi meter because the impedance of that device is so high it doesn't affect the circuit you are testing. Rethink what you presented in this video and correct it before people start blowing up their PCM.
@michaelmason1932
@michaelmason1932 4 жыл бұрын
You are very informative. Thank you. However...there are other electrical forces current human understanding is not expressing.
@mradrianzavala
@mradrianzavala 4 жыл бұрын
Can you please do a top 5 Most Reliable Vans for big families.?
@carolineburroughs8686
@carolineburroughs8686 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😊
@maxagent86
@maxagent86 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, but I’ve always understood that the convention of current flow in a car as going from the positive to the negative side of the battery, not the opposite as you stated at the beginning. That is why we should always disconnect the negative side of the battery first, so as to eliminate ground to all circuits. Please correct me if I am mistaken. TIA and, again, great video (long time subscriber here).
@maxagent86
@maxagent86 4 жыл бұрын
Johnny Blue - this is precisely what I‘ve always understood to be the case. Yet, this also means that the negative side of the battery is where ground is. And ground is where the electrons go (even though the symbol is negative), no?
@maxagent86
@maxagent86 4 жыл бұрын
Johnny Blue, thank you again. That helpful link you listed states that, in a DC circuit, because of (confusing) convention, current flows in a direction opposite to the flow of electrons. Is that why, in a car, the positive side is called “power” (even though that is not where the electrons are coming from)? I’ve always thought the term “power” referred to where the electrons are flowing from. Messy...
@ghost37666
@ghost37666 3 жыл бұрын
8:18 "Oh my god I'm dead" Now I am dead from laughing 😂
@billywhizz98
@billywhizz98 4 жыл бұрын
Hi I have just seen your video on how to adjust a throttle position sensor I have a 2.0L EFI ford pinto engine will your way of testing them wires work for an Electronic Fuel Injection system
@zzhughesd
@zzhughesd 2 жыл бұрын
Good video.
@redlywaxer
@redlywaxer 4 жыл бұрын
I'm still not taking chances on expensive electronics in cars. I can do everything needed with an inexpensive high impedence VOM and do it better. I save the test lights for house wiring and the pre-electronic classic and non-electronic vehicles. I have not used my 12V test light since the last time i checked static timimg on a car with points ignition. When the points open and break contact, the test light comes on, showing you the position on your crankshaft where #1 cyl spark is set to fire.
@johnflower8384
@johnflower8384 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely yes!
@joelopez7459
@joelopez7459 4 жыл бұрын
i always wanted to know the different plugs on the multimeter
@squirrelkilla7371
@squirrelkilla7371 4 жыл бұрын
7:52 This is going to make an episode of Ridiculousness
@kikcodog
@kikcodog 4 жыл бұрын
Think of voltage as being a mountain with a pool of water at the top. The higher the mountain, the higher the voltage (potential). Think of the current as the river that would flow if you give it a path from the top of the mountain to the ground. The resistance is how wide, deep, steep, rocky, etc you make that river between the top of the mountain and the ground. Voltage = Current X Resistance often written as V=I*R. Changing any variable (V, I, R) effects the others. In general, we can change V and R and I (current) is just what results since, in general, it is very hard to make a constant current source. Now, as for this video, people are probably talking about the active probes that allow you to apply power with the probe, not a simple test light or DVM. These active probes are more akin to a jumper wire from the battery. Incorrect use can send power through an output (designed to apply power, not receive it), etc, overpower an unprotected input, etc. Friends who are fleet mechanics tell me these probes have been banned in certain shops because they were blowing out PCMs and transducers through improper use.
@pashko90
@pashko90 4 жыл бұрын
@@IAMNOSLEEPol, try it on your own car. I did fix few computers after a test probe "diagnostic".
@pashko90
@pashko90 4 жыл бұрын
@@IAMNOSLEEP so, still during 40 years you didn't learn how to use multimeter? LOL.
@kikcodog
@kikcodog 4 жыл бұрын
​@@IAMNOSLEEP Engineers design for the expected failure modes but at no time during the design process did an EE say. "Gee maybe we should account for someone putting a 12V, non-current limited signal on this input or output" which is what these active probes are - a jumper wire .The protection used depends on how the ECM or other circuits were designed and what components were used. What's driving (energizing) the outputs and what's protecting the inputs? Sometimes inputs are protected with a combination of diodes, Zener diodes and RC circuits. Sometimes not. IC inputs usually have built in diodes to protect against high voltage spikes and even they'll blow if the voltage last more than a few milliseconds. An input expecting a maximum of 5V many not survive a 12V, non-current limited probe suddenly energizing it. Sometimes putting 12V on a 5V output will damage the semiconductor driving the output. Using active probes (i.e., probes capable of apply a voltage and current) to drive inputs and outputs is risky without knowing exactly what you're dealing with. Most EEs wouldn't do it without a complete detailed schematic. You can be off 1 pin and cause havoc. Usually transducers are designed to fail as an open and not a short. If there is a potential for shorting fuses are used. Can an IC drive a short? Sure, you can current limit the output but, that's not the same thing as energiving that same pin with an active probe at 2 or 3X the output voltage without any current limiting. It's not quite as simple as your explanation. The other thing to understand with ICs is they don't always fail completely like a fuse. Sometimes they just get damaged and begin to operate unpredictably and fail intermittently. That is why ESD is such a big issue and millions spent each year to mitigate it. Simply handling a PCB or IC without ESD protection can cause damage that doesn't show up right away, or worse, comes and goes. There's a reason big shops have banned active robes and it's not theoretical. It's based on having to buy expensive ECMs techs have accidentally damaged during troubleshooting.
@kikcodog
@kikcodog 4 жыл бұрын
@@IAMNOSLEEP The topic is the use of active probes. SInce I was the original commenter, I understand the topic very clearly. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes, "You can't teach a man what he thinks he already knows." And yes, I understand I am wasting my time as far as your concerned, I rook the time to help others who may be trying to understand the issue(s). Happy New Year!
@kikcodog
@kikcodog 4 жыл бұрын
@falchulk That's another good analogy. Voltage is the water pressure at your faucet. The Resistance is the diameter of your hose and current it the rate of water flow. Actually that is one ppl can probably relate to even better.
@bwest-yq3uc
@bwest-yq3uc 4 жыл бұрын
Sill doing videos??? have not seen any lately. All Your subscribers are hoping that you are ok and the covid19 has not slowed you down. Good Luck and hang in there.
@rorybrown2833
@rorybrown2833 3 жыл бұрын
Great videos, have 2014 Silverado. It shut off while driving. Wouldn't crank them. ECM relay clicking when turn key on and try to start. Replaced relay same thing happens. Pulled ecm relay and it cranks but won't start. Any ideas? Thanks
@antoniospence1710
@antoniospence1710 4 жыл бұрын
I damaged a honda civic pcm once with a test light in fact its the type of bulb in the test light that makes the difference
@amir3992
@amir3992 3 жыл бұрын
My lancer's pcm, all the speed sensors, Map sensor, 2 more sensors in the tranny and TPS were all destroyed by testlight haha
@autogc22
@autogc22 4 жыл бұрын
Ideally, even if the 20A probe of your multimeter is unfused, the red wire of your test lead should be dimensioned to act as a fuse, protecting the multimeter. Ideally.
@shawn396hoss
@shawn396hoss 4 жыл бұрын
When you grab the test leads you should have... Oh my God I'm dead! XD lolol naww I'm dead
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