Mustafa Suleyman on The Coming Wave of AI, with Zanny Minton Beddoes

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Intelligence Squared

Intelligence Squared

5 күн бұрын

Mustafa Suleyman is the ultimate AI insider. As co-founder of DeepMind and Inflection AI, he is one of the pioneers of the artificial intelligence revolution, potentially the single greatest accelerant of progress in history. Investors in Inflection AI include the likes of Microsoft, Nvidia and Bill Gates. Suleyman says AI represents nothing less than a step change in human capability and human society, introducing both risks and innovations on an awesome scale. This is what is coming.
In September 2023 Suleyman came to the Intelligence Squared stage to discuss his new book The Coming Wave: Technology, Power and the Twenty-First Century’s Greatest Dilemma. In conversation with Zanny Minton Beddoes, Editor-in-Chief of The Economist, he explained how he believes we are approaching a critical threshold in the history of humankind. Soon we will live surrounded by AIs which will carry out complex tasks - operating businesses, running government services and maintaining infrastructure. This will be a world of DNA printers and quantum computers, robot assistants and abundant energy, as well as human-engineered pathogens and autonomous weapons.
We are not prepared, Suleyman argued.
While these tools hold the promise of solving global problems and generating immense wealth, they also bring the risk of upheaval on a scale we can barely imagine. Suleyman explored how these forces threaten the very foundations of the nation state and the global order. And he argued that we face an existential dilemma: on the one side lie unprecedented harms arising from unchecked and unregulated AI, and on the other, the threat of overbearing surveillance from the state. Can our governments forge a narrow path between too much openness and too much control? Or are we sleepwalking into disaster?
Suleyman grappled with ‘the containment problem’ - the task of maintaining control over artificial intelligence and other powerful technologies - the ultimate challenge of our times.
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@justinleemiller
@justinleemiller 3 күн бұрын
September 2023
@DonnySaindon
@DonnySaindon 3 күн бұрын
THIS.... Should be in the title, etc. get tired of this disingenuous bs.
@rvsi-qm5rn
@rvsi-qm5rn 2 күн бұрын
@@DonnySaindonthe whole interview is not intelligent, neither the Qns nor the answers.
@envermasud2160
@envermasud2160 3 күн бұрын
It appears that we're headed toward more restrictions on free speech, eg. Facebook's criteria are so broadly stated that they can exclude discussion of subjects such as, "Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich."-- Sir Peter Ustinov
@amritbro
@amritbro 3 күн бұрын
So it is an old video uploaded so lately…!!!
@reza2kn
@reza2kn 2 күн бұрын
This is from way before Mustafa suddenly abandoned his "mission" at InflectionAI, and went to his barber and asked for the $5 Evil Special.
@agritech802
@agritech802 Күн бұрын
That's s pity
@KatyYoder-cq1kc
@KatyYoder-cq1kc 13 сағат бұрын
PLEASE REPORT WAR & WOKE CRIMES: NO MEANS NO- Cease and desist ALL SURVEILLANCE, STALKING, MALICIOUS USE OF AI, RAPE BY LESBIANS, DEATH THREATS, POISONING, CHEMICAL AND SPIRITUAL WARFARE: WOKE TERRORISTS, COMMUNISTS, AND GLOBAL SUPREMACISTS. I AM NOT YOUR PROPERTY NOR IS MY FAMILY.
@blackgptinfo
@blackgptinfo Күн бұрын
Older but good interview. When he talks 10x he also is talking about power consumption which is starting to strain the grid
@ytb3748
@ytb3748 2 күн бұрын
This is an old interview
@kamu747
@kamu747 3 күн бұрын
@0:29 November last year? Is this video a year old? Or did she miss speak? November 2022 is what she meant.
@reza2kn
@reza2kn 2 күн бұрын
This is from way before Mustafa suddenly abandoned his "mission" at InflectionAI, and went to his barber and asked for the $5 Evil Special.
@DigitalIntegrityChannel
@DigitalIntegrityChannel Күн бұрын
The heightened interest of industry leaders at OpenAI, Apple, Google, Meta, Tesla, and X in Worldcoin and Proof of Humanity within the AI and Web3 era underscores a paradigm shift in digital identity verification. This signals a profound transformation in how we establish trust and authenticity in the digital realm.
@norlesh
@norlesh 3 күн бұрын
Around 1:01:40 Mustafa downplays the risk of AGI based on the assumption the goal seeking and agency required to be a threat would need to spontaneously emerge - that view neglects the fact there are countless tec-bros across the internet actively pursuing those capabilities (crowd manipulation, social engineering, control of economic tools) in the quest for billion-dollar-bots.
@FrancisHerding
@FrancisHerding 2 күн бұрын
A lot of young kids are brought up by iPads and KZfaq. It is convenient for parents. In the future it could be AI. Imagine a generation which grew up with AI. Quite a few might trust AI more than humans. Hence, it would not be too far fetched to assume that there might be a political party who would prefer an AI to govern us. This might sound crazy now but looking back things seem crazy to us now like paying people with alcohol or marrying at the age of 12 during the Victorian era.
@doobiescoobie
@doobiescoobie Күн бұрын
Mr Suleyman is eloquent and informative in his responses here regarding the geopolitics and technological challenges posed by AI.
@j.d.4697
@j.d.4697 3 күн бұрын
PI was one of my first really positive experience with a chat bot and the first one I could see "Her" in. I really like the way Suleyman and Hassabis think.
@jaswan79
@jaswan79 12 сағат бұрын
You can always tell in a Q&A, whether the person has a genuine question or if they are just wanting to make themselves look smart within the first five seconds they have the microphone.
@veritasvincit5347
@veritasvincit5347 Күн бұрын
His recommendation regarding how governments should take risks and experiment without drawing public scrutiny in case of failure is proof of a naivety about this could be abused by the corrupt.
@dylan_curious
@dylan_curious 3 күн бұрын
I just downloaded the book, but before I read it, I wanted to get an overview of who he was. This was a great video for that.
@reza2kn
@reza2kn 2 күн бұрын
you're in for a big surprise bud! brace yourself!
@SoniKumari-hc1zw
@SoniKumari-hc1zw Күн бұрын
What is the book name bro
@SukhchainBatth-ct5bv
@SukhchainBatth-ct5bv Күн бұрын
SB OFFICIAL AI NETWORK
@jonathanevans9257
@jonathanevans9257 22 сағат бұрын
Consuming vast amounts of power for the servers, data center builders like me are struggling to find sites with enough power even in the Nordics for Al!
@afsarbabu2672
@afsarbabu2672 3 күн бұрын
Fantastic discussion.... Carry on.... 🤝☺️
@LazyDotDev
@LazyDotDev 3 күн бұрын
Mustafa is the best Engineer/Philosopher/Communicator I've heard out of all Ai experts. Just imagine having him as your professor, it would be the most exciting class.
@420_gunna
@420_gunna 3 күн бұрын
he's a stupid grifter that got fired from deepmind for abusing employees his company failed and microsoft made the poor mistake of acquihiring him
@reza2kn
@reza2kn 2 күн бұрын
I used to think the same before he exposed all of his lies.
@LazyDotDev
@LazyDotDev 2 күн бұрын
@@reza2kn What do you mean?
@reza2kn
@reza2kn 2 күн бұрын
@@LazyDotDev I mean I used to follow this man religiously, reading whatever he's written, watching every interview. After what he did with suddenly abandoning InflectionAI and Pi, with no explanation what so ever, it showed me how much he really meant everything he had said before about the importance of compassion, emotional intelligence, etc.
@reza2kn
@reza2kn 2 күн бұрын
@@LazyDotDev I used to follow him religiously, reading everything he's written, watching every interview, etc. After how he just left InflectionAI and Pi like that with no explanation or anything, it really showed me how much he really meant all the nice things he had talked about before about the importance of compassion, emotional intelligence, and whatnot.
@bestdiver
@bestdiver 17 сағат бұрын
well the productivity in create wheat maybe grown in the past, so did the erosion of the soil. And soil erosion can NOT be fought by tech innovation.
@Rich_ard42
@Rich_ard42 3 күн бұрын
Glad he's dropped the Steve Jobs look.
@reza2kn
@reza2kn 2 күн бұрын
This is from way before Mustafa suddenly abandoned his "mission" at InflectionAI, and went to his barber and asked for the $5 Evil Special.
@Rich_ard42
@Rich_ard42 2 күн бұрын
He's dangerous
@matthewclarke5008
@matthewclarke5008 3 күн бұрын
Both people and machines are going to get a lot smarter.
@Purified-Bananas
@Purified-Bananas Күн бұрын
Insightful
@brianquigley1940
@brianquigley1940 Күн бұрын
"the ai is guessing the space between..." Is "guessing" another redefinition? What's wrong with the more accurate word estimate?
@jaypalvastarpara8217
@jaypalvastarpara8217 4 күн бұрын
Excellent
@tomnugent9825
@tomnugent9825 3 күн бұрын
thank you boss cream
@MediaCreators
@MediaCreators 3 күн бұрын
Regarding education, there's an important consideration everyone needs to contemplate. Mustafa suggests that AI could serve as an infinitely patient and passionate teacher for students who are not yet at the teacher's level of knowledge. Traditionally, human teachers aim to educate the next generation and contribute to the advancement of humanity. However, an AI could potentially iterate and improve itself in seconds or minutes, producing subsequent generations of AI that are orders of magnitude smarter than humans. This raises a profound question: Why would such an advanced AI bother to educate an intellectually inferior species (humans)? And what if Ai's are not solely responsive any longer? The concept of intrinsic motivation in AI raises intriguing possibilities for autonomous behavior. Currently, AI systems are largely reactive, generating responses only when prompted by human input. However, if AI were to develop intrinsic motivation, it could fundamentally change how these systems operate. An intrinsically motivated AI might "wake up" on its own accord, actively engaging with its environment based on sensory inputs without needing external prompts. This could lead to more proactive, self-directed AI behavior, potentially mimicking the way living organisms interact with their surroundings. Such a development would represent a significant leap in AI autonomy and could have far-reaching implications for how we understand and interact with artificial intelligence systems.
@reza2kn
@reza2kn 2 күн бұрын
This is from way before Mustafa suddenly abandoned his "mission" at InflectionAI, and went to his barber and asked for the $5 Evil Special.
@mvexler
@mvexler 3 күн бұрын
AI systems can train and re-program themselves without human intervention. One method is Genetic AI Through this process, the AI systems can continually refine their code and find better solutions to the problem. This approach leverages the strengths of genetic algorithms, such as their ability to explore a large solution space and find global optima, and the benefits of multiple AI systems working together, such as increased diversity of solutions and faster convergence. F
@macoways
@macoways 2 күн бұрын
The hottest topics of the moments thats for sure 😮😂
@JohnDeacon-iam
@JohnDeacon-iam Күн бұрын
Ai cannot ideate or create all on its own. (47:00) What it does is innovates between two (existing) sources and strictly this is not Creating. It does interpolation, a process of determining the unknown values that lie in between the known data points. The ability to Create comes from the hidden ground of being and the machine does not have organic access to it. For this very specific reason you will need more intelligent prompt engineers and Ai handlers in the future who have ground connection. Unfortunately a large majority of users will have no grounding themselves.
@destinypuzzanghera3087
@destinypuzzanghera3087 3 күн бұрын
He’s my hero
@brianquigley1940
@brianquigley1940 Күн бұрын
"cheaper" is not a good paradigm for intelligence. It's like saying: greed is good.
@paultoensing3126
@paultoensing3126 2 күн бұрын
Arguing that AI should not be implemented is a lot like arguing that the airplane should never have been developed because, you know, air crashes, atomic bombs, terrorism. What did the airplane ever do for us except create tragedy and horror?
@thatomadira5
@thatomadira5 2 күн бұрын
06/07/ 2026 MY HIGH LIGHT OF THE YEAR, I THANK MY LEADERS , FOR THE TEACHINGS AND WISDOM GAINED IN MY LIFE JOURNY BUILDING A ECOSYSTEM THAT ALL CAN USE AND ALL OUR FUTURE KIDS CAN USE ,UNDER THE sun ☀ ☀
@jaypalvastarpara8217
@jaypalvastarpara8217 4 күн бұрын
Agi secretly found by openai and may be ASI both are
@muhammedrazaq7922
@muhammedrazaq7922 Күн бұрын
he points the finger to elon musk no one love his oponents in the competition line
@hamzashah785
@hamzashah785 3 күн бұрын
@rs8197-dms
@rs8197-dms 3 күн бұрын
There's always this use of the analogy of farming implements and farm labour. Bad analogy. Farming implements can only do farming. You don't understand generative neural nets or white collar work if you think that analogy applies. It does not.
@RajeevKumar-wl6ei
@RajeevKumar-wl6ei 3 күн бұрын
Yeah, agree. People don't seem to grasp that this tech is like "useful goo", it can make anything smarter if you just know how to apply it to the right extent under the right circumstances.
@destinypuzzanghera3087
@destinypuzzanghera3087 3 күн бұрын
She’s so arrogant that I can almost not get through this video but I like Mustafa so much that I’m willing to go through it
@DwainDwight
@DwainDwight 2 күн бұрын
totally agree
@susangracerivera8643
@susangracerivera8643 Күн бұрын
I completely agree! I stopped watching after the first 10 minutes. Tsk tsk I feel sorry for the folks who were there in person. I hope they did not pay for this..
@briaf3370
@briaf3370 Күн бұрын
Sounds like a woman's opinion.
@tomnugent9825
@tomnugent9825 3 күн бұрын
will talk jeff mr education
@hardheadjarhead
@hardheadjarhead 2 күн бұрын
He spent a good portion of his very repetitive book talking about the dangers of this…and now it’s SMALL?
@dxhelios7902
@dxhelios7902 Күн бұрын
I am tired of all these AI philosophers-scammers who never studied computer science but want to sell you books on it.
@CharlesBrown-xq5ug
@CharlesBrown-xq5ug Күн бұрын
I'm trying to release free-to-the-world plausible hope that civilization can quit the second law of thermodynamics. The second law is behind people needing to feed electrical energy to modern refrigerators. Modern refrigerators then need to dump as waste heat the energy they shouldn't be given in the first place which is the compresser driving energy plus the heat that they have removed from the service interior of the refrigerator. It makes a lot more sense that refrigerators should yield electricity because energy is widely known to change form with no ultimate path of energy gain or loss being found. Computers that consume electricity and yield heat would complement energy sensible refrigerators that absorb heat and yield electricity. A simple rectifier crystal can, iust short of a replicatable long term demonstration of a powerful prototype, almost certainly filter the random thermal motion of electrons or discrete positiive charged voids called holes so the electric current flowing in one direction predominates. At low system voltage a filtrate of one polarity predominates only a little but there is always usable electrical power derived from the source, which is Johnson Nyquest thermal electrical noise. This net electrical filtrate can be aggregated in a group of separate diodes in consistent alignment parallel creating widely scalable electrical power. As the polarity filtered electrical energy is exported, the amount of thermal energy in the group of diodes decreases. This group cooling will draw heat in from the surrounding ambient heat at a rate depending on the filtering rate and thermal resistance between the group and ambient gas, liquid, or solid warmer than absolute zero. There is a lot of ambient heat on our planet, more in equatorial dry desert summer days and less in polar desert winter nights. Refrigeration by the principle that energy is conserved should produce electricity instead of consuming it. Focusing on explaining the electronic behavior of one composition of simple diode, a near flawless crystal of silicon is modified by implanting a small amount of phosphorus on one side from a ohmic contact end to a junction where the additive is suddenly and completely changed to boron with minimal disturbance of the crystal pattern. The crystal then continues to another ohmic contact. A region of high electrical resistance forms at the junction in this type of diode when the phosphorous near the ĵunction donates electrons that are free to move elsewhere while leaving phosphorus ions held in the crystal while the boron donates a hole which is similalarly free to move. The two types of mobile charges mutually clear each other away near the junction leaving little electrical conductivity. An equlibrium width of this region is settled between the phosphorus, boron, electrons, and holes. Thermal noise is beyond steady state equlibrium. Thermal noise transients where mobile electrons move from the phosphorus added side to the boron added side ride transient extra conductivity so the forward moving electrons are preferentally filtered into the external circuit. Electrons are units of electric current. They lose their thermal energy of motion and gain electromotive force, another name for voltage, as they transition between the junction and the array electrical tap. Inside the diode, heat is absorbed: outside the diode, an attached electrical circuit is energized. The net energy in diodes connected in consistent alignment parallel is aggregated. The maximum energy is converted from ambient heat to productive electricity when the electrical load is matched to the array impeadence. Matched impeadence output (watts) is k (Boltzman's constant, ~1.38^-23) times T (tempeature Kelvin) times bandwidth (0 Hz to a natural limit ~2 THz @ 290 K) times rectification efficiency times the number of diodes in the array. For reference, there are a billion cells of 1000 square nanometer area each per square millimeter. Order is imposed on the random thermal motion of electrons by the structual orderlyness of a diode array made of diodes made in a slab: v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v All the boron doped anodes abut a metal conductive plane deposited on the top face of the slab with nonrectifying joins; all the phosphorous doped cathodes abut the bottom face. Understanding boron and phosphorus modified silicon crystal diodes is òne way to become convinced that Johnson Nyquest thermal electrical noise can be rectified and aggregated. Development teams will find other ways to accomplish this wide mission. Ttaxonomically there should be many ways ways to convert heat directly into electricity. Anyone is free to develop this and other plausible breeches of the second law of thermodynamics. I hope a lot of previously uninvolved people will join in expanding the breech. Please share the news of progress or setbacks. These devices would probably become segmented commodities sold with minimal margin over supply cost. They would be manufactured by advanced automation that does not need financial incentive. Applicable best practices would be adopted. Business details would be open public knowledge. Associated people should move as negotiated and freely and honestly talk. Commerce would be a unified conglomerate of planetary scale of diverse local cooperatives. There is no need of wealth extracting top commanders. We do not need often token philanthropy from the top if the wide majority of people can afford to be generous. Aloha Charles M Brown Kilauea Kauai Hawaii 96754
@bobtarmac1828
@bobtarmac1828 3 күн бұрын
Is it too late to cease Ai? Remember Hansel and Gretel? Being tricked? With irresistible goodies? Are we to be… laid off by Ai? Ai jobloss for everyone? Swell robotics doing everything? Or worse, imprisoned inside an… Ai new world order?
@latentspaced
@latentspaced 3 күн бұрын
A year old- shame on you! This should be in the title for sure
@sinan_islam
@sinan_islam 21 сағат бұрын
they say AI will replace humans but all what I see from AI is fake images and stupid chat bots
@adminomhfoz1908
@adminomhfoz1908 2 күн бұрын
bs squared arrived full circle
@ahsanmohammed1
@ahsanmohammed1 3 күн бұрын
Her voice too anxious and high pitched.
@muhammedrazaq7922
@muhammedrazaq7922 Күн бұрын
7/7/2024
@brianquigley1940
@brianquigley1940 Күн бұрын
"understand"??? Does an AI "understand"? Is this a redefinition of the term "recognise", i.e. pattern recognition.
@destinypuzzanghera3087
@destinypuzzanghera3087 3 күн бұрын
The elite people just don’t want everyone else to have a chance and he’s trying to make the world a better place and she’s fighting them every step of the way it’s gross to see and she should leave him alone and appreciate that. This guy is about to change the world.
@ollybreh95
@ollybreh95 3 күн бұрын
Did she forget his name
@brianquigley1940
@brianquigley1940 Күн бұрын
"language will be perfect".... Is this a redefinition of the word "perfect"? Language by its nature is not perfect.
@ChristianFuchsBlues
@ChristianFuchsBlues Күн бұрын
One more tech guy who put all his money on Ai as a „balanced“ spokesman. Come on! And while he is at it, promoting his own product as bringing peace and „kindness“ and „self-respect“ to all suffering souls, all in a soothing warm healing timbre. Show me a tech guy who does NOT say that Ai makes the world so much happier and our hearts brimming with true love for one another. Charming and smart guy, but unconsciously creepy.
@StephSancia
@StephSancia Күн бұрын
Mustafa got LURED TO MICROSOFT BY POTS OF GOLD AND HE ABANDONED HIS DREAM OF DREAMS. Such Commitment. SHAME ON YOU MUSTAFA. HEY PI AI IS THEE BEST WITHOUT YOU
@ramble218
@ramble218 3 күн бұрын
He won't talk about *anything* relevant today. This is an old recording
@jep1912
@jep1912 3 күн бұрын
@Brainchip… Akida.
@naam9484
@naam9484 2 күн бұрын
😬 i install PI and I havw a feiend now 😂 yeeey. thank you Mustafa
@vallab19
@vallab19 3 күн бұрын
If you say AI will reach AGI level in the next 4 to 5 years, what is the need of human labour for the capitalist in his business when the AI can do all work that most human do chiefly and efficiently? Claiming human jobs (wage labour) will still remain in the next 10 to 20 years sounds hollow argument for me. I believe the capitalist states and socialist state both economic systems will collapse and replaced by some new kind of system 'by the people for the people and from the people' in the next 20 years.
@susangracerivera8643
@susangracerivera8643 Күн бұрын
Sorry, I don’t buy Mustafa’s view of aspiring for a society where we need not work! Seriously? That is our goal as humankind? Pray tell me how that might happen. I recall The Economist host made a lot of fuss about his background in philosophy. For crying out loud, he dropped out! Anyways, this is dangerous “optimism.” And the snickering when talking about Yuval Noah Harari’s viewpoints, whom I so admire and respect. In wish this were not just about the desire to sell more books..🤷🏽‍♀️
@destinypuzzanghera3087
@destinypuzzanghera3087 3 күн бұрын
The longer I watch this video the more infuriated I’m getting with this lady why is she targeting and using stereotypes to discourage teenagers and make them look bad what’s wrong with her? The youth is the future.
@destinypuzzanghera3087
@destinypuzzanghera3087 3 күн бұрын
Did she just use the most cringe expression ever did did she just actually utter the words, Tech bro I can’t take this anymore. I got it. I’m not leaving anymore comments because this woman’s driving me over the edge.
@destinypuzzanghera3087
@destinypuzzanghera3087 3 күн бұрын
Pandora is out of the box lady. stop trying to control something. You can’t go to therapy for your control issues.
@tomnugent9825
@tomnugent9825 3 күн бұрын
wutang on going on sale 20 billion dollers sorry bobby
@avinjacob5296
@avinjacob5296 4 күн бұрын
🫏🤣
@destinypuzzanghera3087
@destinypuzzanghera3087 3 күн бұрын
I tried to hold back, but I think this woman is a dinosaur
@destinypuzzanghera3087
@destinypuzzanghera3087 3 күн бұрын
She’s not worthy to be on the stage with him
@ki4clz
@ki4clz 4 күн бұрын
Can you talk about presidential immunity
@dennisalbert6115
@dennisalbert6115 Күн бұрын
chinese are great but elon is bad, mad.
@fromduskuntodawn
@fromduskuntodawn 2 күн бұрын
Yeah because inflection is doing amazing…. nope
@barbtki2239
@barbtki2239 3 күн бұрын
OMG . Stop 🛑
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