For all those who think there should be Part 2 comment. Get Dr taimur Rehman again on the pod.

That's the first economist I've heard who can talk for hours without diving into the current political landscape. And I mean this in a good way.

lots of love from India. 🇮🇳❤❤.... he is truly a gem..... so articulate....

Mr.Rehman seems to have perfected the art of teaching while making the topic immensely interesting. Doesnt appear patronizing like our typical Pakistani professors.hes like a friendly genius friend you have in clg who knows everything and wants you to learn more than you yourself might want to.

When you invite a guest like Dr Taimur Rahman, you should allow them to speak and not interfere too much. You can challenge them once they're done speaking.

you cant argue with a teacher who handles so many questions every day and also have a political party

At 3 instances where guest was about to explain some points but it was left because host interrupted him: 1. Point where he was explaining about difference between profit vs output vs growth maximization, he was going to explain further that in some industries like electricity, education, trackters, steel factories etc society needs to prefer output maximization because that will lead to growth maximization in long term but since market follows the principle of profit maximization and profit max doesn't coincide with output max therefore market mechanism will fail there. That was his main point against leaving the economy to market mechanism. 2. Point where they were arguing over whether one has right to frame the question of tax expenditure as "where was my money used?", Guest's basic point was that an individual has right to know where tax was spend not because it is their money but because government should be transparent to public. Host was saying that an individual has right to know because it was their money. Guest's point was lost due to continuous interruption. 3. At last he was going to explain how can a bankrupt state manage to invest in infrastructure development in those industries where output maximization is needed instead of profit maximization but again here he was interrupted. Last point I want to add is that Muzamil has very romanticized idea of post liberalization India. If he is reading this comment he should seriously read the P Sainath's and and several other Indian political economist works. P Sainath runs an online journalistic website called Peoples Archive of Rural India (PARI)

Aoa Muzamil! I have been following your podcast for a long time now. For this particular podcast, I feel it could have been so much more interesting if only you would have let Dr. Taimur speak more. I have repeatedly noticed how you interrupt your guests, and it was particularly pronounced in this session when Dr. Sahab was trying to make a point. As an avid listener of your podcast I’d appreciate if you work on your listening skills and respect the guest because clearly they have been invited to your show for their expertise. P.S may be you were having a bad day.

I first heard about Taimur Rehman back in 2010, when he made an appearance on FM 91. Still the same amazing guy. I just want to know what's his secret for staying happy all the time. He always has a smile on face. So soft spoken. Mashallah.

Dear Muzamil Bhai, Greetings from Mumbai. Good to see Dr Taimur Rehman on the podcast , who gave diff perspective to issues of Pakistan. Dr Taimur Rehman comes out as a very learned, articulate and grounded person. His videos on YT exhibits multi-facet personality as an Economist, teacher, musician , lucid speaker and balanced interviewer. Pvt sector has sole aim of maximising profits, which runs against basic need of Public services like primary & secondary health & education, Infra , environment etc. Developing economies like Pakistan need State interventions in critical sectors like Health, Education,Water , Power , Communication, Infra like Railways , Universal Banking . Once society reaches a critical mass , pvt sector can expand its reach further. Pvt sector needs to be encouraged in other areas , which demands technology, innovation etc. His Socialist ideas surely adds to the public discourse in Pakistan on Political Economics.

The professor proves why he is a professor 😂.

Wikipedia finally have something to say about Taimur. These kinds of debates are healthy for youth rather than our political debates on news channels of pakistan.

Damn!! Dr. Taimoor is so genius. 🔥

Sorry to say. syed muzammil. Dr. Taimor is extremely genius . You cant argu with him or counter him and teach him . He is so perfect in his theory

Really good to know you've invited someone from Liberal Arts background... Pakistanis are too much obsessed with Science, Technology and Medicine. We want more people from liberal arts, social sciences, management sciences these fields teaches broad knowledge of how world and society works.

As a pakistani I feel Good to see such a platform where economic issues are discussed which ideally should have been discussed in our parliament. Let's hope for the best. Keep doing good work.

Muzammil, you framed it incorrectly "I have the right to know where my money is spent." Dr. Taimur was correct here "I, as a public individual, have the right to know where public money is spent."

Need part 2 of this.. also 1st time ever I felt Muzamil didn’t let guest to finish his comments and brought his counter questions which maybe formulated while the guest was speaking…

Muzzammil, while I like your podcasts and I appreciate how you question your guest, this is where Dr. Taimur ate you. His arguments were so scholarly and unbiased while you kept on pushing on neo liberal policies and half baked knowledge on economics. Hope this is a lesson to you that when you bring in such few, great, intellectually capable personalities you give them a due respect and the ear to hear the other side.

There was no need to get so opinionated & emotional over PIA. The guest must be completely listened and their opinion should be respected. This is what sets apart a podcast from a regular TV talk show. Overall it was an engaging, thoughtful talk.

this entire podcast was very funny it looks like muzammil is having flashbacks to his Olevel economics ki tuition with a frustrated tutor trying to jam in the concepts 10 days before his finals hahahah

Sir was literally teaching him while using that paper as white board

Every lecture,speech,podcast is a treat & enrichment for the brain

This was an amazing podcast to comprehend the core problems haunting Pakistan's economy. I do understand that such a podcast is meant to have the idea understood by people from all spheres of life, and Muzzamil did a good job at asking questions which were basic and simple yet demanded depth from Dr. Rehman. However, I think the questions and the structure could be further refined. This podcast also draws clear lines between knowledge acquired through 'infotainment' and that acquired through years and years of research. Love the way Mr. Rehman, makes sure that he has delivered his point, for a great presenter is never satisfied in moving to the next topics before finishing the previous. Thank you for bringing such an intellectual and an accomplished academic to the show. Dr. Rehman is one of those people you wish in life to be one like. The podcast was very helpful!

Really wanted to hear Dr. Taimur on TBT🤩 Glad that he's finally here ♥️

Dr taimur is very right in saying that Pakistan requires self reliance rather than opening doors to free international market . . One of the reasons that it will destroy chances of any budding local industry

This guy is a gem!

Great Sir!Not a podcast but a learning session.Respect & regards from India!

Ahhh man the more i see Dr Taimur, the more i fall in love with the articulation of his ideas. I may not agree with a few things he has to say but it sure is fascinating to see him speak. This was lovely podcast.. 2 thumbs up to you too Muzamil. These 2 hours passed in an instant. It was so interesting !!!!

Schooled the O level self proclaimed macroeconomist ! 😂

Probably my favorite podcast from Muzammil-- straight to political economy, not bakwas.

Here you come bringing a gem to your podcast 🤩

One can listen this lecture over and over again , without getting bored even once. Kia bat hai Murshad ❤️❤️

Easily one of the best informative podcast on this channel.

Very animated discussion. Kudos to Dr.sb for being so kind and gentle. Would love to have more of these types of discussions.

First time seen muzzamil have very tough time 😂😂

Will wait for a second part definitely.

I just watched 3 podcasts in a row and i know more about Pakistan now then ever before in my 21years that ive lived 😂 And now im a Fan of you. From my heart i wish tha you continue through this magnificent Journey so that the people of Pakistan awake from "zaroori kam wali neend" and do something about their country

Indian export breakdown : 600 billion : 1. 80-100 billion IT services export ( thz to government investment in education, IIT) 2. 60billion , diamond polishing jwellery export ( thz gujrati bussiness mindset , traditional business scalled for export) 3. 35-40 billion textile export ( thz to cheap labor , government subsidy) 4. 60 billion petroleum products export ( thz to enterprenuership ambani family , private refinery, efficient government owned refinery ) 5. 40 billion basmati rice and tea, jute export ( thz geography , poor wage labor ) 6. 50-60 billion , pharma export ( thz to investment in education , good government policy, ) 7. Chemical export , engineering equipment export etc etc

Brilliant podcasts!!! Very informative! Pls call Dr Taimur again. He is a true gem!

بہت بہترین گفتگو رہی۔ سن کر فائدہ ہوا، کئی مغالطے درست ہوئے۔ اس پر مزید بات ہونا چاہیے۔ شکریہ

Please stop interrupting the guest and ask counter questions in a polite way

Amazing podcast!!! So informative!! Would love to see another one with the same guest.

Phew! So it took me two days of listening to complete this episode. Very honestly, I was attracted to this video because of Dr Taimoor, and although I knew you early as the podcast guy doing very good job and according to some you are a Babar Azam of podcasts, I didn’t know you have got a lot of knowledge to have one on one discussion with Dr Taimoor on such topics and to ask very tough questions at some times. This was impressive from your part I must say, and I’m thinking to listen to you also on regular basis from now onwards.

Respect Respect Respect n good wishes for Dr Taimur Rehman....muzzamil needs to learn

This deserves a part 2

Dr Taimur Rahman... What a brain!

For God sake... let the guest speak? why have you invited him if you don't want to listen to him? why turn it into a debate to prove him wrong... just let him say his thoughts... please change your behavior.. this is no way to treat guests

If u can speak slowly & through normal rhythm. It would be better for us to understand easily. Please dont be showy , over with ur behaviour and pompous.

🟥❤️🟥❤️🟥❤️ 🟥I am a proud supporter of mazdoor kisaan party from Sindh

One of the excellent discussions I've ever seen. I like your topics muzamil. Keep on doing such intellectual discussions.

One thing muzamil please give some time to guest to finish their point . Other wise brilliant podcast

Muzammil took it too far...Dr Sahab and Muzammil were saying the same thing but I could smell the generation gap...Now the TATAs have taken over Air India and they are exactly following both what Dr Taimur said and what Muzammil is saying. Purchase new planes and do away with excess staff through collective bargaining as Dr Sahab said...

you tried socialism, mixed economy - that didn't work well options left are - Capitalism & Communism. time to make transition

Excellent conversation

God has not made all the commodities equal 🙏

Taimur is one of those traditional, academic economists (Atif Mian included) who operate in the idealistic world. Please invite Uzair Younis to your show and adopt this line of questioning (giving him ample time to answer). I'm sure he will make more pragmatic sense than Taimur. E.g. he started arguing on the nuance of public vs individual (a useless "politically correctness" debate). Also, Air India adopted the policy of laying off employees after Tata acquired it.

Thank you for calling this guy 😍💞

Its my dream to become a professor in the field of psychology, marketing and sociology one day.

Dr. Tamoor is just on the point...Develop the public sector of economy, invest in the public sector industrial infrastructure and make it productive.

best teacher everrr!!!

Commenting straight after watching the Podcast, I haven't seen the comments to this episode but I'll just give my two cents. I am not a leftist and haven't always agreed with Dr. Taimur even mocked him on twitter as well but here I feel that any talk or discussion should not come to a point where it exude hidden acrimony. Taimur is a subject specialist and in the start you did ask him to explain political economy and that's what he did. He spoke about economy, energy, PEs and infrastructure. Your counter questions sounded inane, out of depth and more like a drawing room banter than an educated discussion. You're love, hope you won't mind the criticism 🙂. I just believe that when you invite a guest allow him to express and explain himself, complete his points, arguments and sentences and the host should encourage him to speak more, the questions should be probing, informed and we'll researched instead of formed through personal opinions and experiences.

Arey bhai itni zada podcasts pehly taimur aur faisal bhai phir muzzamil aur taimur phir muzzmil aur muzzamil phir junaid aur taimur bhai ab muzzamil and taimur. Maza agya

Dr taimur is very articulate and rational in presenting his arguments and is a source of great learning. . However it the first time I have seen him addressing counter narrative with deeper dive 55:30 . . This is a very interesting podcast since muzzamil is a very strong proponent/analyst of value creation and free market economy

really irritating watching him repeatedly interrupt Dr. Taimur and not letting him complete his talk

India learnt its hard lessons with Enron Project and that was the first and the last with the sovereign guarantees. Pakistan has to learn from other's experience rather than "The Pakistan Experience".

As a social democrat im suprised how well the guest refuted all the of Muzamil’s neo-liberal taking points. 1:21:24. bring this guest back.

This podcast is the only Muzammil's podcast which have long debate... at one point they were literally fighting 😂😂 otherwise in other shows its a light, healthy talk but here its all about disagreeing with each other. This happens when you interview an economist lol no one can defeat them my macroeconomics professor is next level thing, you just can't argue anything with her🤣

Regarding output maximization muzzamil was giving very important concern keeping the competition and demand in the equation. . I couldn't get get that part clear . . Taimur Sahab discussed his point but this point got lost in the shuffle

Commendable...Please bring people like Senator Javid Jabbar and Munawar Sabir...

مزمل نے آج ایک ARY اینکر کی طرح تصویر کی ایک روخ پیش کرنے کی کوشش کی، اور اس کا اندازہ اس بات سے لگیا جا سکتا ہے کہ مزمل نے پروفیسر صاحب کو بات مکمل کرنے کا موقعہ بھی نہیں دیا، بس سوالوں پر سوال اٹھائے جا رہا تھا اور جب پروفیسر صاحب نے جواب دینے کی کوششیں کی تو بیچھ میں ARy والوں کی طرح ٹپکتا تھا اور جواب کا ستیاناس کر دیتا تھا ۔۔۔آج مجھے ایسا لگا جیسے کہ مزمل نے اپنے آپ کو منوانے کی کوشش کی ہے نہ کہ کچھ سیکھنے کی۔۔۔۔۔ اگر آپ نے quality کو بڑھانی ہے تو آپ کو اپنے ان غلطیوں پر عور کرنا ہو گا ۔۔۔۔۔ اس طرح کے ڑیبیٹ میں لوگ emotions کو کنٹرول کرتے ہیں جیسا کہ پروفیسر صاحب نے کیا آپ کو ان سے سیکنا چاہیے اور میں امید کرتا ہوں کہ آپ نے محسوس بھی کیا ہو گا کہ عالم لوگ آپ کی طرح اپنے نظریات کو ٹھونسے نہیں بلکہ ایک respectful way کے ساتھ پیش کرتے ہیں آپ اس سے agree کر سکتے ہیں اور disagree بھی کر سکتے ہیں جس طرح کہ پروفیسر صاحب نے کیا ۔۔۔۔۔۔

Wow, Dr. Taimur Rahman has shared such great ideas and options for growth and progress, Muzamil bhai; you really need to get out of this kind of capitalism and materialistic thinking. There is always a solution with socialism if the government is willing to go for it. I agree with Dr. Taimur Rahman. great discussion overall.

"Man of knowledge"

Dobara honi chahye esi podcast Bhai🌹 Real podcast i would say perfect discussion

Please do another round, It was a whole different prespective. Great conversation.

what an amazing teacher.. wonderful. I wish I could get a chance to be taught by him.

Muzzamil was right about the PIA layoff thing.... You first have to get rid of the dead load to turn around the system, get efficient and then you can add more capital to expand it in future... Other wise with dead load new capital will also get used without giving the ROI.... Similar situation happened with Air India after it was taken over by TATA... They introduced voluntary retirement VRS FOR 4500 EMPLOYES OF 12500+ OUT OF WHICH 1500 ACCEPTED IT IN JULY . in coming months thousands more will be accepting it as well.... By privatisation you can get rid of naukri politics .. if plans go well it will surely create more employment and if it doesn't work out then all the 12500+ won't be begging for jobs at same time ... Less 4500 people would really soften the impact for those 8000 employees .

So much food for thought. I believe debate and dispute is a better way to ideate rather than presenting a specific narrative alone.

Very Informative podcast.

Let's break away from the platonic cave.. Most awaited podcast !!!

Very insightful discussion

This was amazing podcast. Would appreciate if you do your upcoming podcast on dams and hydropower, and specially discuss the controversial Kala Bagh Dam.

Always a treat to listen to Dr. Taimur.

thanks alot for this podcast please also bring sahil adeem

Thank God Pakistan has some intelligent people. Enjoy listening to him. God bless him and protect him.

Dr Taimur Rehman simply nailed it with a simple line after 30 min of argument: Apke paas F16 khareedne ke paise hain na? Hope Muzammil will understand the root of the problem

A very good podcast, treat to the brain! Dr Rehman is great at communication and supporting his ideas. I loved the conversation between an economist and a business student... Muzamil bhai capitalism is based on numbers - life is not. I agree to Rehman's hybrid approach. I think 'Technology' provides solutions to a lot of Pakistan's problems!! This will require 2 things "neeat" (don't equate it with the 'will' in english) and "sabr" (yes, both words are taken from religious context, will make sense if thought upon without prejudices). The people of Pakistan need to have those two factors more than expecting from the government. Happy new year!

Oho, oho, kya justice kiya hai, dono roles ne 🔥🔥- capitalism vs socialism, what a discussion, bhai, dil jeet liya, jiyo ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️

Listening Dr sb is fabulous and always enlightening. His views are very much with clarity and he has practical flavour for system change by his own way. You can brand him left leaning but I think what all he says is universal and verily related to this part of the land. His views are a kind of paradigm shift and it is only viable if whole part of the land focused to change. Now a days his school of theory is being applied in most of the countries successfully and we can also do within Pakistan. His Political views are little rigid and skewed what may be a difficult proposition because of the political school of thought in Pakistan. Let's hope he continued his effort to find out a good leadership but not like Bhutto and his legacy.

Very good podcast ...but i may differ sir in many things like he called right wing religious followers extremists....

I also think it's more of a discipline problem than work force. However, there are certain examples where there is unnecessary work force but instead of firing them, they can be moved to other places based on their skills and education. For example, in a government university, there is a person who cleans the whiteboard, then there is a person who is responsible for bringing the equipment (projector, etc.), then there is a person who writes the attendance. All of this can be automated and the work force can be used in other areas. To get stipend from government departments like benevolent fund, you have to attest each document from the university and etc. You can automate that process and use the extra work force in other areas.

Muzammil bhai ko democracy wali freedom chahye laikin aik authoritarian regime mai..

A very healthy and open discussion of ideas and road map for the future of the Pakistan economy.

Best podcast so far.

Hmm Thoroughly enjoyed the healthy debate and both sides being vehemently defended with respect The one thing that both seemed to agree on during the heated part of the conversation was KE as a bad example of privatization. Without taking sides in the debate, we need to stop demonizing KE. Karachi's electrical situation is far better since the privatization, despite the challenges. It has been one of the better success stories of efficiency...the common sentiment from the average Karachiite may not be very positive, but looking at it objectively, the city has been better off since the privatization. The electricity situation is better than Lahore or Multan (barring high loss areas). The customer focus is far better Take for example, other utilities of the city and the shape they are in. For instance, KWSB, KMC etc...the city's transport and road infrastructure. As someone who has spent most of his life here, trust me, Karachi is far better off with KE privatized

Muzammil jani, I'm a little disappointed. Your line of questioning is brilliant, but you need to let the guest complete his argument before barging in. A good podcast nevertheless.

Muzamil Brain Level = 2/10 Dr. Rahman Brain Lvl = 9.5/10

Good to see tbt diversifying its guests, bus Imran Riaz Khan ko matt lana 😂

I'm TAIMOOR. AND I wish to meet Dr TAIMOOR REHMAN. I am really impress Dr Taimoor.

Dr Taimur 🔥