I agree.

Also "We sunk a ship with 10,000 civilians onboard" doesn't sound good for the allies.

@@toranziancentralnetwork Yeah that aswell💀

@toranziancentralnetwork We ate applying 'modern' thinking to a 78 year old situation. Putting it succinctly, the Soviets were out for retribution in response to what the German Nazis had done to Mother Russian and her peoples.

@@JayYoung-ro3vu it's not modern morals or anything that's just what the allies did, they censored it.

Because the winning side isn't going to tout its war crimes. Both sides committed war crimes tho you can argue Germany and Japan did it more commonly but the winning side of wars isn't going to just go " Yeah we did war crimes lets put our commanders of trial along with the rest".

@@Whatatwist2009 it was the commies that did it seeking revenge is my guess they didnt care if it was a civilian ship

Nazis on the Wilhelm, so 🤷‍♂️

@@Whatatwist2009 This was not a war crime. Under international law, the ship was a legitimate target. "As Wilhelm Gustloff had been fitted with anti-aircraft guns, and the Germans did not mark her as a hospital ship, no notification of her operating in a hospital capacity had been given and, as she was transporting military personnel, she did not have any protection as a hospital ship under international accords". A terrible tragedy, certainly, but NOT a war crime

@@mastercontrol469 what about the civillians dummy

Titanic happened during peacetime. Know your history.

true.

Bravo Marinesco !

Nobody remembers them because they were on the losing side of the war and nobody cares about the losing side. The victors write the history books.

@@mathewm7136 The guy's point still stands? It was a disaster that far exceeded Titanic's casualty rate. Many people only know about the Titanic disaster; they are the ones who don't know their history

I am literally watching a scene with him on the young and restless-NEVER KNEW THIS

I Don’t Get It.

You may combine all the casaulties from shipwrecks you mentioned, or you may just take casaulties from hospital vessel "Armenia". She was sunk by german aviation 8 november 1941. Approximately 7000-10000 wounded soldiers and civilian refugees from Crimea were on board. Only 8(eight) survived.

@@Sergey_Sukhov FINALLY!!!! I AM SO HAPPY TO FIND SOMEONE ELSE WHO KNOWS ABOUT THIS!!!

@@Sergey_Sukhov About 5000 died, at the sinking of the Armenia! Any ship carrying military equipment, personal, is a fair game for the enemy! Gustloff also carried 900 military personnel returning from training for the new Type 21 submarine.

What is the name of the documentary?

​@@zvladdBlacked

Really actually that was a good choice😀

Wait realy so your 70 years old now cause wilhelm gustloff sunk many years ago😂

@@AikenJeffT_T lol what?

@@AikenJeffT_T ?

@@AikenJeffT_T it's his/her grandma bro

Oof

In get in boats inn fell because gussloff fell too

4,300 dead in MV Doña Paz

As a Filipino, the Doña Paz incident hit me hard....

Армению забыл!

after all, you need to think about actions, because due to the fact that they turned on this light, 9 thousand died

@@SLS-StudioLoveSpace The Soviet Naval forces also knew that it was carrying civilians yet they still sank it. There’s also that to take into consideration

judging by your username Im also going to assume you either dont know or deny that the soviet submarine commander marinesko knew full well that the ships he was sinking both that night and the days following were chock full of civilians and posed no danger to the submarine. They were sunk out of a perceived need for revenge. It should also be noted that marinesko was demoted to lieutenant and dishonourably discharged from the military and was a heavy drinker. Not the most savvy of characters I would say. Between the Gustloff and the Steuben he killed something around 14,000 people. Most of which were civilians trying to flee the equal brutality of the red army.

so the lights being turned off make the ship float better, what great science you have. or maybe if they hadn't turned their lights on the ship wouldn't have been torpedoed? is that what you meant?

@@johnhaxby306 yes the second one is what they meant.

After I said promenade it says are, I meant to say area

I don't even think the worst bit was the sinking, I feel the worst bit was being stranded in the middle of the freezing Baltic destined to die a cold death.

@@toranziancentralnetwork not just the people stranded in the Baltic sea but the thousands trapped inside the rapidly flooding ship I think that must have been even worse those in the sea had a slightly better chance of survival.

OK thats it, I'm cancelling our cruise

@@connorredshaw7994 yea trapped, jam packed with hundreds of other people and in the pitch black in freezing cold water, brutal af.

Fascist pigs. No one called you to steal land from the Slavs. You got what you deserve.

Firstly, Gustloff had 4 captains, secondly, they all wanted to save themselves

What song is this

@@markoprskalo6127Hi-Lo by evanescence

@@markoprskalo6127Hi-Lo by evanescence

На борту не было 6 тысяч подводников. Подводников вообще не было. Были курсанты младших групп учебной дивизии подводных лодок (918 человек) и 373 женщины из вспомогательного морского корпуса.

А почему трагически,в чём причина?

Yes, what a piece of crap creature. He must had rotten in a 2x2 metal room for the rest of his existence.

If I remember right he was awarded for this ship sinking or decades after the sinking him was given a monument

@@aka99 a monument for the murders of countless innocent men, women and children.... that's war i guess

@@infurioussYou mean Russians. Barbaric, disrespectful, terrorists.

@@aka99 i feel like if the made a monument about him then people should build Hitler monument too this is crazy

Yes. Both Gustloff and Steuben were Kriegsmarine auxilary ships, armed with AAA. Steuben, for exaple, shot down 10 soviet airplanes Pe-2 10.10.44 as part of anti-air defence of Libau port. Both of them were 100% military fair target, armed and escorted. Gustloff was escorted by one destroyer "Lowe", Steuben by two destroyers. It was impossible to know, that on board there were thousands of refugees. German officers, who decided to take them on board of military vessels, are complitely responsible for their deaths.

@@Sergey_Sukhov "Completely fair target" Yeah, justifying the murder of civilians because the commies were shooting nazis seems kinda delusional to me. Two wrongs don't make a right.

@@Sergey_Sukhov The war is a crime, no matter how you try to отбеливать this scumbags. The crew of this submarine must had been put in jail forever. But of course, the winners can do all the manner of atrocities, and then hundreds of years later such amoebas like you will protect them on the public forums. What a great world we exist in.

@@Sergey_Sukhov it is still a commercial ship used for passengers and therefore its not justifiable to sink an non-warship. i don’t know from where you got your „information“ about the military usage. it’s 100% a warcrime.

@@ppjw44 at least open wikipedia - "As Wilhelm Gustloff had been fitted with anti-aircraft guns, and the Germans did not mark her as a hospital ship, no notification of her operating in a hospital capacity had been given and, as she was transporting military personnel, she did not have any protection as a hospital ship under international accords"

Yes, it was a nice ship, but it was registered as a warship in the state of the German Navy, it was armed, it carried military units and weapons on its last voyage. It was an authorized military target.

@@martinnebola9586 You missed the point of my post.

@@martinnebola9586 that is hardly a warship, an armed civillian ship at best. Allmost every freighter and ocean liner carried weapons back in ww2

@@martinnebola9586 The terms of the sinking is barbaric for a few reasons. The Soviet Naval forces knew it was transporting civilians yet the S-13 commander still authorised the firing of torpedos upon the MV Wilhelm Gustloff, despite the fact intelligence stated it had multiple civilians on board. There’s also the fact that the number of civilians compared to military presence. Civilians on board outnumbered armed Wehrmacht troops and Kriegsmarine sailors 10-1. There was 4 Kriegsmarine captains on board, a couple hundred Kriegsmarine sailors, and mainly injured and exhausted Wehrmacht troops. There were many more civilians on board compared to these military “targets.” Yet the ship was still fired upon. I draw strong parallels to the sinking of the Britannic by a German U-boat in 1916. It was very clearly a transport ship that bared the marking of the British Red Cross, carrying injured, exhausted British soldiers. A crew of Royal Navy sailors, a bridge command crew and multiple nurses and doctors. Yet it was still torpedoed and sank (as we believe of course as there are conspiracy theories but I’m not going to delve into them.)

@@omendium2918 Now all you have to do is prove that Britanic was sunk by a U Boat. If anything, it is more in line with the sinking of the Lusitania.

Another example of red star nation humanity.

@@brayli86 Attacking the USSR, German troops killed 27 million people. Of these, 18 are civilians. What if it's not genocide? but who cares about that! Fucking hypocrites!

@@brayli86 You are comparing Russian humanity as being worse than German during WW2? Really!

@@brayli86 Tbf, Russia suffered the most under the german attack. The anger towards even the civilian popuation was understable. What this is a good example of is civilians, having nothing to do with that at all, fleeing from the russians in this case, being mixed in with military organisation.

@@giladpellaeon2223 I didn't say worse. Both Formations were pure evil. The worst is: there are still milions of people soaked with old system, as a result present war is raging.

No

@@StalinKilled100MillionForJoke so you don’t care about the death of 9k or more people?

The ship was created for around 1.900 people (staff included). But in 1945 it was jammed with over 10.000 people, most of them civilians, but also many soldiers (what made the ship a legitimate target for the Sowjet submarine, especially since it wasn't marked as a refugee ship).

Same...

It was shown in theatres

Far more than 9 thousand. Estimates up to 15k at least.

@@jessicahitchens6926 bro the ship didn’t even have 15k people💀

Not sure where you get the info but the area was cleaned up by the Soviets, Soviet divers also. There are no remains visible. Unless deep in the hull where nobody can access due to hazards.

More deaths than the Titanic Britannic Lusitania Halifax explosion Empress of Ireland Sultana The Atlantic Combined Over 9400 people died A great many of them were loyal to the nazi third riech they can rot in hell I hope they died slow painful deaths 😡 Though for the innocent civilians caught in the crossfire of this brutal war may they rest in peace 😢

Подходящая цитата

Что за кино? Подскажешь?

@@user-xl1df1fu6c ты о чём, какое кино

Napoleon became hitler with just those words it's a shame that his imperialist and invading army did'nt last long 😂😂😂

Большинство из них горят в аду.

@@user-rm3pc5ww6o это точно

слава герою Моринеско!!!

They were Nazis.

@@jonathanmcnair6064 the majority of them were people scared of the russians, that at the time were gaining territory, known for their brutality against the civilians

There was actually 1,234 people who died and 9K+ people who died

what do you mean by "see". did you mean "sea"?

I learned that tragedy by the infografic show

I just finished this book. Stayed up way too late too finish it and now I can't sleep because I keep thinking about it. What a horrible tragedy. 💔

It would of been more well known had it not occurred during WW2

Tragedy you say? 9000 FASHISTS died at once. That was not a tragedy.

Problem is, you'll never see a mention of this disaster in World History textbooks because the publishers wants to make the Allied powers look like superheroes with capes on themselves. While the Axis powers did cause a war, yes, the Allied powers did horrible things to their enemies as well.

@@DKrueger1994 Such as Majdanek, Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Dahau... Yep? No, my stupid friend, you'll never wash blood of tens of millions people fried alife by your country!

@@DKrueger1994 ya, it is not as well known because it was Germans dying, and being a German in the 40s basically meant (to low IQ people) you were a nazi and deserved it.

А в шведских СМИ не рассказывают как во время ВМВ шведы поставляли в гитлеровскую Германию стратегические материалы для производства брони танков , подшипников ?

Additionally, my family didn’t even know she was a part of the family until we started doing DNA tests

Добрый человек в СС?- очень смешно, истинный ариец наверное. А мой прадед погиб в плену в 1941 г. в шталаге и виноват в этом наверное такой же "добрый" офицер СС.

Yes, it was a nice ship, but it was registered as a warship in the state of the German Navy, it was armed, it carried military units and weapons on its last voyage. It was an authorized military target.

Some say up to 9,400 died that night also but still a huge loss of life regardless to all the civilians that lost their lives may they rest in peace but for the thousands of Nazis and Hitler loyalists who were onboard that died I really don't give a damn about

@@martinnebola9586 soo, youre saying the deaths of about 9000 civilians were justified?

All of them Nazis. That's the price they pay when sailing under the Nazi flag during war.

The ship being owned by the nazis isn't the reason why it's so unknown, like the Hiedenburg was also a Nazi airship and it's still famous despite only 30 people dying.

It's because it happened in that time. Even if it would have been another countries ship, it would have happened during war.

this is christopherjb is gernab❤

в наших сердцах Маринеско!!!!

Well now I'm not going on a boat again

Step 16: Get nightmares about the other night Step 17: wake up swinging and screaming and realize very quickly that you'd relive that tragic experience for the remainder of your entire life.

a cellphone?? it’s 1945

Step 16:realize you are inside the cold freezing water

3rd April 2023.

Jes

Armenia sinking was also a war crime

This actually wasn’t a war crime believe it or not.

@@wszystkowszyscywszystkowsz8683Finally someone that knows about that sinking.. so tragic

@@Wildcatttttthe more tragic thing about it was that the germans probably even gunned down the lifeboats, or idk i forgot and lifeboats wouldnt even be launched probably so that doesnt make sense

I’m lucky this was not titanic

@@alonsky2353 Titanic sank stable and steady. Most ships rolled over. They got very very lucky it was also a calm night

I know

But my real name was supposed to be “Alonski23”

Since I play roblox titanic.

Qual é o nome da música que toca no vídeo?e a mesma trilha sonora do filme ou foi criatividade do criador do vídeo ? porque se foi pela criatividade tá de parabéns.

@@wanessasilv Hi-lo (Radio-edit)

@@guigui88787 valeu 👍

@@wanessasilv 👍🏻

The same despair of the crews of all the ships sunk by Nazi U boats I expect!

Was will man da studieren? Menschliches Versagen? Das einzige was dort schuld trägt und was man ändern kann ist: gierige Seeleute die einen Ständer auf Auszeichungen kriegen zu verbannen, und stattdessen Leute einsetzen die vor dem Angriff erstmal nachschauen was für ein Schiff das ist, und selbst wenn die geschossen haben, sich vielleicht an die See regeln halten und selbst mithelfen um leben zu retten

Mayor atrocidad?? Una de tantas solo que sale mas en las peliculas,

sim

Na ja da wären noch Belgien Russland USA und so weiter man kann nicht alle greultaten Deutschland in die Schuhe schieben ☝️man sollte sich mal ein bisschen mehr mit Weltgeschichte befassen !!!!!!!!!!

verdade

@@roterbaron6862 he talking about world war 2 only when germany burned kids alive or killed people with gas didnt give food and russia and japan were bad too but eua and united kingdom gave at least food.

What is it?

@@christopherlmoo hi-lo(radio edit)

Like sleeping sun with titanic

They won't, they don't want people to cry about soviets

There isn't really a movie about that one, unfortunately.

​@@StalinKilled100MillionForJoke The Armenia had lost its Hospital Ship rating officially by mid 1941, as it not only actively carried out troop and weaponry transportation, but also was armed with multiple Anti-Aircraft Weapons and military board crews during the time of its sinking. Also, it had a convoy of two military boats and two fighter planes. The sinking was horrible and unjust for the people on board, especially the civilians. But it wasn't a unreasonable brutality. The Germans were under the legitimate assumption, that the Armenia was carrying combatants and armaments. The WG was sunken out of spite and hate. It maintained its civilians status and very much operated as a active civilian transportation craft. The Soviets plundered it right afterwards too.

@@BOMERdeath123 Потому что Сталин пытался скрыть гибель Армении..

Uhhh there's no movie about that, you are aware this channel didn't make a live action short film just for a music video...riiight?

it did wdym

*MV Wilhelm Gustloff

The movie "Nacht über Gotenhafen" is WAY better, because the people there had lived through that desaster.

Да...

Screw u guys I hope all of your government gets what coming soon because you will pay for what your stupid vodka drunk president is doing to Ukraine btw An Eye for An Eye

@@user-uj1do9lh8n I don’t speak commie

@@Chase1945 я не коммунист. Я тебе констатирую факты. Запад загнивает. И пока люди из Запада будут смотреть телевизор и слушать своих политиков так и будет

Согласен

Yes. In german death camps

it's also very underwater

eu tbm

Вильгельм Густлаф - плавучая казарма 2-й учебной дивизии подводных лодок Германии. Вооружен и шел с эскортом миноносца "Лёве". На борту - 918 подводников из учебной флотилии и военный груз дивизии. 100% законная цель. Если он его не потопил, его бы в штрафбат отправили и правильно.

Потому что Сталин пытался скрыть гибель Армении..

Конечно утопил, и был бы прав. Это проблемы врагов, что они перевозили своих гражданских на корабле с зенитными орудиями и сотней экипажей подводных лодок.

You realise the Soviets on their quest to liberate eastern Europe became just like the Nazis?

@@local_ITA А вы понимаете, что несёте чушь?

@@diegoam3293 Dejando de lado las películas (respecto a las cuales, si bien Titanic no es perfecta, es mejor, considero). Ambas historias reales fueron tragedias; sin importar que el Gustloff haya sido alemán en medio de la SGM, la inmensa mayoría de sus pasajeros eran civiles, muchos de ellos probablemente ni siquiera apoyaban las políticas de su régimen. Así que creo que su nacionalidad no implica que mereciesen tan cruel destino.

Era un barco bastardo con 9.000 escoria de diferentes sexos y edades a bordo. Toda esta "nación alemana" no merecía nada más que la muerte más cruel, y ahogarse en este barco aún es inexplicable para ellos la misericordia del Señor, porque merecían ser torturados a todos durante mucho tiempo y dolorosamente.

@@carlosadriantinajerovelazc4338 Todos ellos eran partidarios de Hitler, mataron a nuestra gente, y es una pena que entonces, en 1945, los lamentáramos y no los convirtiéramos en esclavos, como querían hacer con nosotros y con nuestro pueblo. ¡Esta muerte fue injustamente fácil en comparación con lo que merecían!

@@user-ze7xw5yu4i ¿Es en serio ese comentario? Jajaja qué lamentable y simplista pensamiento. ¿Los conociste a todos? ¿A los 10,000+ abordo? No conozco ningún pueblo que en la historia, haya tenido al 100% de su población de acuerdo con su régimen. Siempre hay personas que no están de acuerdo. Seguramente había inocentes a bordo. ¿Los niños pequeños deseaban "matar" a "tu" gente? Claro que el régimen nazi hizo cosas terribles, eso no se niega. Pero el hundimiento del Gustloff está injustificado y sin duda fue una tragedia. Los deseos de venganza como retribución a la injusticia solo perpetúan la violencia, es una lástima. Espero que eventualmente logres crecer más allá de esa lógica, en serio, lo deseo positivamente.

@@carlosadriantinajerovelazc4338 Quién de los alemanes apoyó a Hitler allí, y quién no lo apoyó, que Dios lo entienda. Todo lo que puedo hacer es desear que todos los hijos alemanes se reúnan con él lo antes posible.

Único jeito de sobreviver se você estava perto dos botes alguns botes ficaram flutuando quando ele afundou

from the war that they themselves staged by supporting and electing Hitler to power

Es ist tatsächlich so passiert und hat ungefähr das 5fache an Todesopfern von der Titanic gefordert, wobei man dazu sagen kann das aufgrund der Umstände der Abfahrt selbst die einzige Quelle aus dem Tagebuch eines Offizieres nicht ganz zu glauben ist, weil darin steht das das legedlich die Leute sind die er selbst anbord kommen sehen hat; und es gab eine ganze Menge mehr Leute die an anderen enden anbord gingen und er selbst auch nicht die gesammte Zeit dort war

The flim "Titanic" (1998) was totally rubbish 🚮

@@jagdpanther2224 1997 actually

The Gustloff turned on Navigation Lights to Warn an Incoming set of Mine sweepers on the Same Route which was very Compact and tight so the Captain of the Vessel issued that an Threat of Collision is greater then the Threat of an Torpedo

I think that all the crew of this submarine had to be put in jail, forever. Atrocity is atrocity, no matter if you won the war or not.

@@ScienceDiscoverer right! People brutally died in these ships and the soviets knew it

it is mournful that the Luftwaffe destroyed a bunch of Soviet ships with refugees and received iron crosses. it is mournful that the people who sank Athenia and Niagara received. iron crosses. They started the war they elected Hitler as leader and they supported the start of the war where many diedJews, French, British, Belgians, Soviet people, and many others, so I wonder why they do not repent of their actions

​@@ScienceDiscovererIt’s a pity Dudley Morton wasn’t sent to prison, which he deserved for shooting those fleeing. And about the prison that you said, this is a blatant lie, because after the war he became the commander of a submarine divisionworld or another watered wrapper instead of if you are interested in viewing all sources of information

@@ScienceDiscoverer 3 рейх у нëс жизни миллионов у одно СССР 27

Seriously Sewol Ferry And Costa Concordia And MS Estonia

@@facelessterminator2690 This ship had more than over *9000* deaths bro this ship was the worst maritime disaster in history with titanic being second

Ikr fr :(

@@Reimu__Hakurei Really Am Sorry Bro

@@Reimu__Hakurei Titanic wasnt even 2nd

De fato, o navio estava armado e acompanhado por um destróier, o que o tornou um alvo militar. Além disso, os nazistas foram evacuados nele.

:(

The men in the submarine should've been court martial'd for sinking a Passenger Ship.

@@titanusghidorah7964 Eleven days after the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff, the S-13 sank another transport ship, the General Steuben, with the loss of 3,300 lives. "Roscoe White"

​@@HANKSANDY69420 (;(

Na verdade, não. Porque os russos não ligavam pra crimes de guerra, por isso eles afundava navios hospitais, escravisavam, matavam inocentes etc...

ou se o capitão n tivesse acendido as luzes

??? Actually it was a hospital ship during a war with a red cross on it

it was navigation

Ou tomado o msm destino como o navio hospital HMHS Rewa msm marcado como navio hospital ele foi torpedeado

And Dark... And Frost... And lots of screams...