Marvel spectators hate keep away/zoner teams. You should see how much hate ChrisG still gets for the Morrigan/Doom combo in MvC3. Duc makes it look easy but other Spiral players (some of whom VDO have fought) can't keep him out and get run over. Duc's an Evo champ for a reason, hehe

Yeah I have a lot of respect for both guys as players. Duc's zoning is incredible, wasn't taking that away. Just saying as a spectator, it wasn't entertaining. But they're not trying to win for me, lol.

I think it’s relevant to how much people actually know marvel. OGs will recognize it as high level zoning play. Marvel casuals will see it as cheap / top tier / boring / etc. Can’t please everyone but honestly just gotta see it as it is. Two players who respect each other getting in some good matches. Guarantee you VDO wants no pity, because otherwise you put him into this box of if he wins he’s the better player but if he loses it’s because the other player used top tier and was being cheap.

@@GAMBOLLL81 Been watching this game since it was first released on DC. Duc's game is great zoning and very difficult to defeat save a handful of characters. My comment was based as being a spectator digging matchups not dealing with the top tier. Now if I wanted to win? Yeah not gonna argue with Duc's strategy.

These convos are nice. Like being able to express opinions on the game, from different perspectives. Game is still running 25 years later, can't be mad about that!

Yes thank you Duc🥇💯

Yeah, but that first match VDO was like, "what a Duc Do?".

A win is a win at the end of the day, as this isn't the 1st time VDO lost to somebody mastering distance tactics. So it's respected overall in mi eyes. But I didn't nickname VDO *Top Tier Killer* just cause he's earned that total title himself. I also did it cause players like DUC can not overall increase their chances of wins without the top tier characters being used(even if it's 2 out of 3 on the team), rather they actually get most wins or not. While VDO puts in more effort to T.A.S the fluff out of the game & his characters, regardless of the outcome for him. A perfect example of this is in match 4 of this video, when DUC goes in for melee tactics against Ken(As he mainly does this to on Ken & Colossus), as soon as he/she realized Ken was getting the upper hand, he went RIGHT back into his distance tactics. Keep in mind, Ken was the only person VDO had left before DUC eventually won the match. 💩 like that is why I have more respect for players like VDO. Cause they gotta work harder to make players like DUC use Batman prep to win against people like them.

@@DanKen139 well said 🙏🏾

💪🏾💪🏾Big fan of how you operate, @@vdo101rdg101. Keep up the amazing efforts. Remember, even though we play to win, but we learn more by losing. While overall having fun.

This match was not even debatable. Clearly knew who would reign on top.

is not the 1st time they have a match but at least he won 1

@@gravity-zero2917 Honestly, seeing the first match, I did NOT know who would "reign on top". It wasn't so long ago that even run-of-the-mill Sentinel teams would give VDO fits. After learning his partners can anti-air and clear the skies, that he can use a "snap back" punch to make Sentinel exit at will, and at least SOMETIMES checking to see how the health of a partner he's about to DHC in actually is, VDO slowly began regularly beating such teams. In the past 2 or 3 years, VDO discovered Rogue has a combo-able command grab that grants perks. Wait till VDO discovers Colossus has hyper armor, and can resist being juggled and plow through projectiles WHILE delivering a "snap back" punch ...

@@johnlumpkin8851 can’t block wit hyper armor active. spiral + sentinel chip would fkn wax colossus unless he corner lockdown

VDO's team has very poor neutral against Duc's team. Duc does not need to get in your face to do damage. In fact, leaving any space between you and Duc's character always favors Duc, no matter what the situation is. Just look at the Colossus vs Spiral matchup: Colossus literally has no options against Spiral. Rogue can at least air dash and dive kick, and Ken can at least close the gap with air tatsus and ground rolls, but Colossus simply has no chance of getting in. When you're playing a 2 vs 3, it's clear which player will win most of the time.

good analysis !

Ok fined

I've already mentioned details on this match already I here, so I won't go into depth with it again. Instead I'll simplify it... While ya comment does have good reasons in stating whatcha stated, they're factors missing from this. For example, does DUC have more loses(While using more than 1 top tier character)against mid & lower tier only characters, equivalent to the amount that VDO, using only mid/lower tier characters, won more against those using only/mostly top tier characters? If this is a no, then your comment, while it is respectively understandable, still irrelevant... Respectfully.

​@@DanKen139Let me explain something to you plan B, Vdo gets discredited when people make excuses for his losses. Doesn't matter who it is because VDO will use his squad no matter what. Its good too see him lose because it makes his wins even more impressive, as we get to see what he has to overcome to beat top tiers. To me thats why hes the best, the fanboys giving plan b's take away VDO's true skill. Which is running up against anybody no matter what and without excuses.

I get where ya coming from with it,@@ksmoove12able. But mi point still stands. You're looking at it from how what you call team plan B & their actions when I'm looking at it from an overall point of view. Since the tier concept have been a thing, I never believed in it til this day, granted that I acknowledged of its existence & the reasons why. And VDO is a perfect example of that. I'm also a firm believer of a win is a win, no matter what. Which is why I respect DUC being the overall victor. So I can't speak on Plan B fanboys you speak of. But given the factors that's been created by gamers that's being ignored, mi 1st response here still remains solid.

The one thing we can agree on is that one does learn more by losing than they do by constantly winning,@@ksmoove12able. Even though the objective is to win. But that's not the only objective. Max basically mentions this when it comes to Tekken 8. They're those who play just to win & they're those who play to have fun no matter the outcome.

Keep away is the worst boring play style for both players.

Same old marvel!

Not only that Duc is probably the best with this team he's ever been. I don't even think he's at full power online.

2 time sir, 2 time EVO world champion! Legend incarnate 💪🏾🙏🏾

He got dominated period

Two time champ

To be fair, this is VDO's teams absolute worst match up, the fact that he won a couple was impressive. VERY skillful set by both legends.

Keepaway is harder than it looks, especially against a player of VDO's caliber. There's another Team Duc player on Heartstillbeats channel that VDO absolutely destroys. Some of it is just the player.

That whole interaction is amazing. Duc sets up the full screen guard break into hyper viper on incoming. VDO reacts with super to avoid the unblockable, Duc reacts with delayed DHC swap to avoid being punished and get the punish himself. Two of my favorite MvC2 players and this entire set was just full of crazy shit as should be expected from these two.

Boring play style. Winning sure but, I don't even see how it's fun for him.

​@@sh0cktim3it's because you are trash

Scrub? I’ll beat yo ahh!

You have to "tiger-knee" (QCF + UF) AHVB to chain supers. The developers never intended to allow Cable to tiger-knee AHVB, since the concept of tiger-kneeing specials/supers was a glitch to begin with.

One of the best? You mean coward?

@@ralfjones7144 Bro you just called Evo Champ Duc fucking Do a coward lol. Please show some respect.

@@ralfjones7144 duc has two evo championships. so yeah he's one of the best dummy

​@@GAMBOLLL81Exactly. Only a weak player would try to dictate how another player fights them.

hes goat for a reason lol

YES😎

@@Heartstillbeats Picking anti-air, projectile and ground talking about some *SHORYUREPPA* type shit! Akuma is only there for moral support. :| He's doing his best!

Exactly

It’s okay to be a rookie. We all start somewhere. Also, don’t get so upset about time outs and anti airs either

@@AnhDonoi I have nothing against newcomers, but rather the extreme zoning of DUC. Learn to interpret texts.

Agree shit hasnt changed for 20 years and it doesnt take a lot of skill to win by just chip damage. Its hard to win when your characters are close combat fighters.

@@user-qk5zg1vq2r you have nothing against new comers but you are one yourself. What sense are you making here? Also, throw and replicate what DUC does. See how “easy” it is

@@BOMBON187 yeah bc it’s so different to win with magneto right? The only teams that are heavy on chip are strider/doom and team DUC. Y’all crying about how easy it is or how it doesn’t take a lot of skill to kill with Spiral, go try her out for yourself and see how many matches you win with her.

aye man Duc is practically one of the founding fathers of marvel 2 - show some respect

Thats the risk of playing a mid tier team vs a OG top tier team. You can't really complain when you get zoned out when you go in knowing your team isnt that great

​@Caine187 in my hands my is great, but you're correct on the 1st part. It is what it is 🤙🏾

Team Uphill man. Its completely ok, but YES very very annoying to deal with, but I'm used to it, plus gained a wealth of knowledge for future opponents. Although everyone can use top tier, not everyone can elevate to super high levels, and you have to be on those levels to fux with me 💪🏾 All good champ, Hakuna Matata 🙏🏾🤙🏾

@@vdo101rdg101 Always been a fan of your playstyle and methods. Teaching people 25 years later how to do things in the game. Much respect.

Me too

try street fighter 6

Tell me you’ve never played MVC2 without telling me

If you're getting beaten by Hado Hado Hado - DP post SF2, you actually suck at fighters