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I was really surprised how close in weight that counterfeit is. Devil is in the details never stop learning. Thanks Daniel

I recently got an 1888 S Morgan dollar I knew it was fake but I sent it to my nearest coin shop and he said that it was a fake as well it's too bad that people do that soon as you get them we should destroy them so they can't fool anyone else thank you for your videos you're very knowledgeable I wish I lived where you lived so I can come to your coin store and buy a good stuff

back when platinum wasn't worth much, in Russia they used it to counterfeit gold coins by plaiting the platinum with gold

I bought 2 $10 gold pieces years ago knowing they were counterfeit. I gambled they we’re still some % gold knowing even most counterfeits were 14k. Paid $50 each total $100. Turned out they were 90% gold straight up. Sold them for scrap gold and walked away with just under $1300 for the pair.

Good Afternoon Daniel!🥤 My $2.50 is authentic! But thankyou for the GREAT info and an excuse to dig my type set out and tinker with it again!!😀

Always learn something new when I watch one of your videos. Thanks!

This is one of the best counterfeit coin I’ve ever seen

This is why I’ve never bought one of these coins. I really do want one, raw, so I can actually hold it, but over the years my gut says that I will be fooled by a fake. Thank you for the video, Daniel

Thanks Daniel, another informative video, you are not scaring your viewers in my opinion, but blessing them with knowledge and actually saving them money. I believe knowledge is a form of power and wisdom. Best wishes to you and yur loved ones.

Great video. A few years back I bought one online. It weighed a tad heavy. FYI real ones that are XF and worse NEVER weigh heavy. In fact they weigh light. Turned out it was basically 18k. Seller took it back and seemed genuinely shocked it was a fake. Looked really good too.

Really appreciate it when you teach us about things.

This is insane to me and the reason I'm a Bullion Stacker not a numismatic collector. I wouldn't or many wouldn't be able to look for such small miniscule details to know if it's fake. Too much to worry about and not worth the time. Alot easier to be scammed on numismatics than bullion

You'd think the incuse would be harder to counterfeit but they are some of the best ones out there.

Hugely informative!! You are truly a master in your field!!

Great info as always ! I was actually looking at those coins just a few minutes ago today

Thank you! I am going to go check out my one indian coin right now.

Thanks! Always good info from you.

Thanks Daniel ! Boy, that is really a good counterfeit. Many would overlook it and say it is authentic. Anacs is reputable and a great source to authenticate a coin. I've always wanted one slabbed with it being slabbed would make me feel good about the coin itself. Great advice ! and thank you for passing on your knowledge !

I mess with alot of emboss dies!!! Man who ever did the work is good!!!

Daniel you keep making the case buying raw coins is a big risk something i would never do. thanx

When you put the coins side-by-side, I could see that the eye on the face was further away from the bridge of nose on the authentic coin versus the fake coin. Great video! Appreciate you sharing your expertise and recommendations.

Daniel: Another great video and what a convincing counterfeit! Back in the early 1970's, the Middle East was producing many very well-made counterfeits, out of 95% gold, to get around the gold embargo in the US that was not lifted until 1975. I unknowingly bought one, but years later was actually able to sell it for more than what I paid because a dealer was buying them all up to have them melted into gold bars. I wonder if what you have is one of those Middle East counterfeits? Regardless, thanks for posting this. Cheers.

Class is always in session when collecting coins, good video as usual

Always look for the orange/copper color in the depths of the incuse features. I have never seen an Indian without that orange coloring. Especially at the tips of the feathers and in the stars.

Well damn that's just great hopefully when the one i ordered online shows up its the real deal. Thanks for the tips and heads up on these coins.

I have 3 Gold Coins Graded by PCGS. 1. Any more pre-33 Gold coins are going to be bigger than a $2.5 Gold. 2. Before you gave the advice it came to me, I will only buy pre-33 if they are Graded by the three you mentioned, even graded by ICG, or older PCI may be questionable.

Another good video. Thank you, Daniel.

Good points! There r books too on fake , counterfeit coins! Thanks Daniel!

Wow that's a very interesting subject I know I would be hard-pressed to know the difference between the two.

Daniel, there is also a big difference in the facial features!!!

great video as always! side note. took my wife and son on vacation this past week and detoured through portsmouth, i never knew how beautiful the country was out there. WOW! only wish it was during the week so i could have stopped by the shop, unfortunatly both times passing thtough was early morning on a saturday.

I purchased a 1914 $2.50 Gold Indian but mine is PCGS with anti counterfeit features. I really like that it has the NFC scan. Very informative video. Thank you. I definitely won’t be buying any raw pre 1933 Gold. I will definitely stick with the graded/slabbed ones.

On the counterfeit it also looks like where the eyelash would be is a lot closer to the forward edge of the bridge of the nose than on the genuine, but maybe that's my eyes playing a trick on me.

OMG!! I JUST GOT MY $2.5 1914-D TODAY, 9/20/22 I WATCHED THIS VIDEO, AND THE COIN I JUST BOUGHT RECEIVED FROM AN EBAY SELLER IT DOES NOT HAVE DOTS IN BETWEEN THE BLP!!! NO LIE THANK YOU!!

I just checked and found one with no periods next to initials

Thanks for the information. Good info.

Very educational! Kudos

If you don't want it!!!!! I would love to have it! Great video and appreciate the info 🙏👍🤙

Note...now I remember I dug up the article on these counterfeit (yet with actual gold content) dollars and quarter eagles on the Eric p. Neumann numistic portal there are tens of thousands of old quarterly pamphlets, books, coin meeting minutes, musings and observations from old timers etc etc on the portal. Next question is how many of these little rascals are in safe deposit boxes, collections, little jewelry boxes etc.

Man this will fool alot of people!

Great vblog. Thanks for the lesson.

Outstanding! thank you!

Great video! I just started collecting a few months ago. The gold “Indians” have quickly become the coins that I want the most but I’m too much of a novice to take the chance. Now, with fake PCGS and NGC slabs, there’s nothing in place to protect buyers like myself because I’m afraid most coin shops will take these in as real(they look so good!). There’s a 2.50 at one local shop at a fair price but I just can’t take the chance

Thank you for the information.

From what I've heard some of these can be composed out of actual gold since the Indian designs have quite a bit of premium to them.

My brother got burned on a 1oz that was machined out and filled. The machining was so precise, it wasn't possible to see where the 2 halves split even with a loupe.

Never thought of checking closely for the periods between the coin designer's initial. Had me look at two $2.5 I have. First one in a better grade was easy to spot, the other a bit circulated was harder. Had to have one other good friend check they were there. Thankfully there is now a higher probability than before that they are authentic. I stopped after getting just two (raw) of these $2.5 Indian Head just because of how good the counterfeits were becoming. If I get another I will have purchase one slabbed showing it as authentic from a reputable grading company. .

When it comes to those coins I would even take a ICG hollered one knowing it is not fake.

Good info Daniel

How could they’ve missed the dots and have the rest of the coin almost perfect? I mean, is it that hard to strike the dots, knowing that that simple detail could bust them out?

I've bought a couple that tested at 14k, I was wondering if they'd be an actual counterfeit meant to pass in 20s or made later on to scam someone?

Very helpful thanks

Thankyou 😀👍

Most of the earlier counterfeit gold coins, those made pre 1990 especially will be made of 90% gold. The reason being gold was much cheaper pre-1990 and the numismatic value of any gold coin was significantly higher than their gold content They could afford to make them in the correct composition as it may have cost $40- $60 in gold or even less at 0.125 Troy oz when gold was $250-300-oz but the common date 1/4 E Indians were trading at $100-200 in the late 80s

Very helpful.

Ths is why I would only buy a PCGS or NGC graded gold coin.

Thanks so much?

Awesome video

Great. Given more reasons for people to fear their stack and sell outta precious metals. Good job!

That's downright terrifying how good it is. Who was making these counterfeits?

Thanks I had to weigh the ones I have. I'm good....

I had a 1908 Quarter Eagle until about 12 years ago. I fell on hard times and had to sell it. I got $300 for it. I still have a 1969 Blue Book and in there the 1908 is listed as $22.50 in XF...lol This year I replaced it with an American Eagle 2022 One-Tenth Ounce Gold Proof Coin for $315. It's a beautiful coin but you need a magnifying glass to see it

💯 on the 411 # Thx. You sir .

There's a raw 1913-S Half Eagle on e bay right now. Missing dots between BLP. Up to $699. Emailed seller to take another look at what he's offering.

"So close" Couldn't it just be an unknown die difference? I'd think there would have to be many more examples to make sure?

I don't have any American coins ( lol) but, wow this is excellent even for the world coin person.

$2.5 and $5 Indians are the most counterfeit gold coins in history.

I feel safer with 1oz silver rounds, also it's more befitting my financial status

I have a few of these I purchased as fakes. One of them is indistinguishable to me. It's well circulated and that hides whatever faults it might have had. Only way my LCS found out was his xray machine. It's 90% gold but the alloy is off I guess. I should destroy it but I like to see if people can catch that it's fake. Most don't.

Hello from the great state of Michigan

That's why I only buy bullion these days.

Even if it's fake if the golds real I would still buy it 🤷 I buy for the gold weight anyway. Cool video bro

I hope the gold crown (tooth) I have isn't counterfeit.😱

Well, I suppose if I wind up with one of these fakes, I can at least be happy I have the gold content.

I have gold plated silver ozs...that are magnetic...lol.

Heloo..mr...good coin...tangk s..

One of these days I would like to trade my 1892s Barber half that I found metal detecting for a gold coin or a junk gold coin

Ii was going to get one of the Indian gold coins but ill trust what you think see ya

The first one is counterfeit. The 2 Nd is real. They weigh 4.18 grams. I have a 1911 P and it’s 100 percent , the real deal. Cost me $300 in 2011.

Will you use an XRF to get its composition?...Maybe it is still gold and has melt value?

I've had 2 of those myself and just as bad are the little gold dollars there are thousands of counterfeits of these in the market VF-XF and they are very very well struck - thankfully I had a scale, sigmapro and slabbed examples to compare with. I no longer buy ANY gold dollars or quarter eagles unless their slabbed. Problem is their content is gold but how much? 40 60 70%? they never read within bounds on the sigmapro. I read in some old coin pamplet/quarterly on the web from mid 1980's (sorry I can't recall where) that these originated and were widely used in the Arab and meditrainian regions and are worn due to their being better part gold and used extensively in commerce thus the worn VFish look. Someone somewhere had a very successful run with these and they being a good portion gold and weighing very close it would seem perhaps an actual foreign coin mint may have been pumping these out in 19th century. There's more mystery to these than answers...perhaps we will never know. Bottom line when I see these on ebay or LCS I don't walk away I run. Excellent download thank you at 3 4 500 bucks for these little rascals its too risky for me buying them raw.

I am eternally gratefull👽

Ive got a an uncirculated 1897 and indian head and 44D but i think they may be counterfeit. What should i do their in a case with 44 steel and a 96 zinc. I dont want to ipen it

Ok, I'm scared to death. I love gold but think I'll just invest on line( ie: GLD, SGOL)😊

once got a $ 5 gold indian head 1912-s super nice sent to pcgs came back fake.. pcgs said in a side note one of the best fakes they have ever seen...i was sad ... i did get mony back and they were the sad ones '''''''''''''''

And yet Sir, even the cases are being counterfeited too. Gotta check the cases as well.Just because it says NGC, PGCS or ANACS doesn't make them a safe & sure bet either. And then it's best to check and compare those coins in a case with the photos these grading services have on their websites, if they are available. Check for every ding, scratch and stain to make sure they match. BTW, I don't think your fears are unfounded & even when the coins are legit, they may have flaws unseen when you get them in the mail.

Well it's not in a PCGS holder so I would never buy one, I'm done buying raw coins for the rest of my life, The Only Exception is if, no, no exception, I might buy rolled coins or collector coins from the US Mint but that's it

As a Newbie Stacker!....-Thank ya so much Daniel fer Posting this Informative Video!Can you do more on counterfiets when you getta chance....I think the FANS want to know a Comparisons between The U.S.,China&World Conterfiet Coins,Tokens&Notes!!!..

So it's the same hold content in weight so its difficult to catch. At least its actual gold in weight even though it is a cheat.

second looks real, I have no idea

Does anything ever get by ANACS??

Cheap china scale probably not precise enough to determine

If it's gold and it way right it's good enough.

1911 areas to look at on 2 1/2 Indian Gold coin?

,,,,yes,,,,,hello from land o' lakes,wi...I recently acquired a pair of gold cufflinks,,,with two Indian head 2.5 coins in them(almost threw them in a costume jewelry box),,,I took them to my local pawn store,,,they took them out of their rims,,one a 1925,,one a 1927,,,,and verified them through a coin authenticator,,,,the 25'was 97% pure,,,the 27' was92%....and also learned that there are fakes out,,,,!..because of being in the links,they had an almost uncirculated back(eagle),,very light scuffing on front,,,,so we both had a good day,,they made a little money,and I cashed in on something I almost threw out!!!....until now I thought I knew a little about money,,,never knew about these Indian gold coins,(3 different types)..but what a great find,,,I'll never forget.....tnx.

Hi Daniel, thank you letting us know about this wide spread counterfeit trend. It’s pretty scary when the look and weight are very similar. So am I correct in assuming the only real difference is the dot between the initials? I remember the good ole days when you can see something you like and purchase it without having a pit in your stomach bc you got scammed 🤦‍♀️. Thank you for another great video 🥰

I just figured those were all fake. I won't touch them.

I HAVE MSNY NEW 2022 QUARTERS, 1 OF THEM HAVE A GOLD HUE TO IT, WHST DOES THAT MEAN??

Daniel, there is an irony here for me. Native Americans in Minnesota called my favorite tribe, the Lakota Souix, "Snakes In The Grass" before driving them west to the plains!! I call counterfeiters and hackers "Snakes In The Grass", for lack of a worse adjective which would not be appropriate to speak in public!!!!!