Exactly- and he wasted police and hospital resources. There should be penalties to that. I’d personally get a restraining order AND sue dad to pay the bill.

I agree

Lol I got a better idea call the police and tell the cops his Dad is trying to unalive himself XD

Bro police aint tonna do shit. Theyll say its a civil matter

​@@fauxbro1983: 100% correct.

I’m glad you helped her out.

Ya maybe he could get proof and try this

You grieve the thought of not having any parents not the one you lost

been in this situation since I was ten with my parents!!

@@Michael-kv5ff That thought came and went, years prior.

Yea I was thinking the same thing

Clear defamation with financial loss.

May not be financially worth it. The father may not have the money even if ordered to pay.

*Fck that. Call the cops on HIM*

Yeah, this is no different than suing a guy who hit you in his car. The medical bill is no fault of your own.

She's not saying be the bigger person over 16k. She's saying be the bigger person so that 16k doesn't become 30k, 50k. His dad is petty and would rather make his son broke just to come back. A restraining order is best and then he could use the restraining order to assist in winning his suit against his father.

If he followed all that advice. And still felt bad about it. Then he can absolutely take him to court bring his proof and receipts and be reimbursed. I don’t even think he’s telling the truth though. Isn’t that what gamers do to other gamers? Don’t they call that swatting? 😂 calling the cops and lying that someone is going to unalive themselves or drug dealing, with the intention that the call will affect or ruin their life against their will has got to be some jail time. That’s far fetched professional narcism. That’s some 48 laws of power movement.

They also say at the beginning of every show that they are “experts in our opinion” meaning. This is not professional advice.

One side of the story only.....

My grandson has a dad like that. My grandson was in the hospital when his father called them to say he was suicidal. He was not.

If it costs $10K to force the sale of a house (per Dave many times in other videos) then an adversarial court case is going to cost upwards of $16K for sure.

@@curiouscat3384 Forcing the sale of a house is far more expensive than suing someone for $16k. There are very long processes to go through with lots of checks and balances, since you are throwing someone out on the street and they could lose $100k from the price on foreclosure being less than the market price plus all the fees they'll be lumbered with. For $16k, you can just go to small claims court on your own (if the small claims limit is less than $16k in your state, just sue for the limit and write off the rest). You don't need a lawyer. There will be a small filing fee and that's it.

You sue, years later, you may collect a judgment And then you can collect it from the father with the failing business?

@@ebransc09 There is no need for it to take years. Small claims cases usually take a few months. And just because his business is failing doesn't mean he has no money. If the business has only recently started to struggle, he's probably got plenty saved up from when it was doing well.

@@thomasdalton1508 Small claims is anything under $5K.

What happened to paying what you owe?

@@siva47931 I agree BUT if I pay that bill I will follow up with an ongoing campaign to have hospital prices investigated for fraud for profits for the CEOs and investors.

I think the hospital will help with a set payment plan. Sometimes they might even give you a 20% discount if you can pay it out immediately. Maybe get it reduced to about 12k

The hospital deserves $0. What are you talking about. The guy gets involuntarily dragged in and they do nothing but lay him in a bed. Yeah right $16K...

​@@siva47931 Why should he owe a hospital that did nothing when he was fraudulently dragged there? Are you serious?

100% AGREEE

Have you ever been to the USA?

I second this. In this day and age the hospitals don't want you. Unless you present with a likelihood to act now on ending your life they will likely turn you away. It's far more difficult to get your rights stripped like this than the caller is indicating

I agree. I worked in a psych hospital and an edict from the Supreme Court to commit someone to a mental health facility and not just a disgruntled father.

You haven't heard their side of this.

Also some people have crappy kids. Lazy entitled kids.

@katemiller And whose responsibility was it to raise kids who aren't crappy? The parents.

As EMS, we can not take you against your will. That's kidnapping, unless the police say you are not fit to make the decision.

If the cops had not called the ambulance, then a law suit. So because of this woke carp, they have to act.

Cops don’t diagnose anything. They called the ambulance and they took the man into the California 5150 hold. And then sent him the bill.

@sarikagoode1505 You still cannot take someone in their right mind without them giving consent, or the EMS could be charged with kidnapping. That is federal law.

@@sarikagoode1505 I know they don’t diagnose but they can assess and didn’t have to call the ambulance. I’ve seen people weaponized welfare checks to target estranged family members and they don’t all get baker acted. The caller IMO should get a good attorney and go after everyone including criminal charges on Dad and a restraining order. But it’s ok if you disagree.

That’ll affect his credit and potentially cause issues if he doesn’t pay. Unfortunately there are consequences. I’d sue dad.

@@laurenw768 Suing dad could cost as much as the $16K. And no guarantee he would win a settlement

Just don't pay it F the system

@@laurenw768medical bills don’t count against your credit report.

Bad advice all around. Negotiate with the hospital for a much lower bill. Then get on a long term payment plan. Pay it off and consider it an expensive lesson for staying so close to what was clearly an unstable person. Change your phone number, move on, and never think about dad again

Yes! Thank you. Somebody with sense. I'd love an itemized, per hour list of how they got to $16K.

Out of principle, I would never pay a penny of the bill.

And you'd still owe the bill.

@@megan2478 By what standard can you actually be held liable for such a bill?

Yes. It is kidnapping. He needs to sue the police, the hospital and his dad.

Hmmm free to not have insurance. So what happens when he breaks his leg doing some outdoor activity and goes to the hospital. It will be thousands. Do you at least believe he should pay the bills? The bills will be extensive? How long do we give him to pay? Months, years, decades?

@@GAFB1122let it go to collections and pay later for pennies on the dollar

@@GAFB1122that’s completely different. In the situation with his Dad, nothing was wrong. In the situation where he breaks his leg, yeah, that’s on him. The situation with Dad was through no fault of his own.

​@laurenw768 Oh I understand but it is a relevant question to ask an adult... do you have health insurance and if not, why? A responsible adult has health insurance and they figure out how to pay for it.

​@@HOLDXSTEELSo I have to pay for your irresponsibility, got it.

Id change me name too

@@esstong8064 Yep, total witness protection program; he's gotta get away

Unfortunately it's not that easy. My dad has threatened to psyche hold me in the past, and I've moved twice without giving him my new addresses. He pulled it up off the voter rolls and sent me an Amazon package just to prove he could still find me. I have multiple friends available to vouch for my mental health and safety at any given time, but I still have to budget around the potential. Nothing short of changing your name and giving up your entire life frees you entirely and I have too many other people I care about that I don't want to leave behind. The medical system in the US is messed up in a lot of ways, but one reform we absolutely need is zero charge for mandatory holds. It's completely unethical to force someone to pay for a service they directly refuse. If the government has decided they need the evaluation, the government can pay for it.

@@kaitlinmarshall7074 Don’t vote. Very simple. Your safety and sanity are worth more than your right to vote. These are facts.

@@jasonbornne7767 Yeah, except that he can also pull off the county record for home ownership. Is it also worth my right to own a home to live in? The fact is I can either pitch my life down the drain or accept the risk that he tries to psych hold me. I choose to accept the risk and budget accordingly. Anyone who claims it's easy to get away from an abuser like that is not realistically considering how much you have to uproot your life, and how easy it is for them to find you again in the age of the internet. It's totally valid to do your best to disappear, but it's not easy or necessary to deserve sympathy for your circumstance.

Rather use the police than trying to kick yo butt myself 😂

Seems like the cops are really stupid and fall for it every time too. How many times does a house need to get SWATTED by the same morons before they wise up?

That's idiotic. California really is trash. They're handing out tents to the homeless but won't spend a dime to make sure you won't kill yourself apparently.

It doesn’t apply if you don’t present a direct threat to yourself or others. A person just saying that another person is a threat is insufficient to hold that person. Something is not ringing true about this story.

@@user-qi8kb1xl2fyep why are you and I the only ones with a damn clue? Something is absolutely not adding up in this story at all. Jade and George ate this hook line and sinker.

Couldn’t agree more with both of you. It’s called a 10-13 in Georgia. You don’t get hauled off by simply saying “Joe said he was going to harm himself”. Meanwhile Joe is calm, no evidence of wanting to harm himself, and denying said claim. At that point, Joe can’t just be hauled away(legally).

He got away with it once, you can bet he will do it again

@@radolfkalis4041 Per Tim the caller, he's been doing it for 18 years ("since I was 10 years old"). That's insane.

💯 best option. Sue for damages too.

No wonder America is such a shithole. Everybody sues everybody.

That woman in SC, Mica Miller, whose death is currently being investigated by the FBI was involuntarily committed by her cheating husband, and she and her family said she was held against her will. I believe this is a type of 'lawfare' that's not all too uncommon.

Thank you, that's is exactly what I said, it would be kidnapping and jail time for EMS.

I guess it is a California ordeal from what I heard. I know where I am, even when the parent and family knows issues with the person, if they are over 18, they have to petition the court for a court order to have the child placed into mental health facility and even that requires multiple people to collaborate to the judge that the person is in danger of self harm

Not hiding anything. It's right on screen. He lives in LA.

Yes, they absolutely do! They did it to my sister based on a spiteful call from my brother. The cops even stood there and belittled her at the hospital trying to make her mad. She didn't say a word.

He knows the real word, but they have to use a different one due to the youtube algorithm. If you say that actual word, the video will get age-restricted (reduces the amount of money a video can make, because fewer people can see it).

Un alive is the way it’s said. Suicidal is boomer talk

Yea KZfaq has a problem with the words "dead" "killing/killed/kills" "suicide" etc

I’m surprised your comment hasn’t been deleted. I hate the jargon, too. I’ve had comments deleted for far less. It’s a nutty world we live in now.

The word “unalive” to refer to death by suicide or homicide was coined by social media users as a way to fool algorithms on sites and apps that censor posts containing violent content. “Unalive” refers to death by suicide or homicide. The use of algorithms is getting out of control. That being said, I’ll be surprised if this comment appears for anyone to read. Using terms like ‘un-alive’ downplays the seriousness of suicide. I believe society is tip-toeing around serious, tragic subjects by treating them as if they are every-day occurrences, somewhat like, “Oh, he had a migraine, he’s be okay” to “Oh, he un-alived himself, but all’s okay.” I’ve heard young people in the hospital waiting room (while waiting on the outcome of a friend, who had actively ‘un-alived’ himself awhile earlier) talk about how their friend didn’t really mean to to it, and can somehow be magically re-animated. Worse yet, attending a funeral where they continue to casually discuss how their friend ‘un-alived’ himself at such an inconvenient time for the group to deal with (I guess timing is everything). The finality of suicide is diminished with the use of the more palatable ‘un-alive’ words.

I got a bridge to sell you if you think calling cops can result in what happened without the police having some reason to believe it. I would be immune to this because if the cops came over, I would laugh and ask them. What are they even even talking about and they would laugh and then they would leave.

Their response here was trash. Diminish away.

Ohh yes they can. A call that someone is going to delete themselves, you bet they can and will literally drag you kicking and screaming into the nearest psych ward.

Yes, they can. I've seen it.

The caller is a lying. They need to corroborate the callers statement. They can not haul you to the hospital based off a third party statement alone. The caller either texted his father a bunch of suicidal comments or he admitted to suicidal thoughts to the police. Stop spreading this false information.

Unfortunately, they can. Most people in a psychiatric ward did not check themselves in. They were put there by their family or doctors. If they feel you are crazy or going to do something, then they will arrest you. Obviously, in this case, it was a false accusation, and the father should be thrown in jail for a fake 911 call. But if they would have felt that he was a threat to himself or others, they would not have let him walk out of the hospital that same day.

@@vickieclark5931 exactly proving my point. The police received more information than a "false 911" the caller sent his dad suicidal messages or he admitted to being suicidal to the police. We can not take you to the hospital against your will because another pary just called 911. You have to corroborate it with something which this caller is leaving out.

and a bill of 16k is hilarious.

It's California, so don't expect the laws and their enforcement to make sense. His Father likely took advantage of the 5150 hold in the Lanterman-Petris-Short act governing involuntary commitment to a mental institution to do this. However, I wasn't there and don't know, so take this with a very large grain of salt. But the laws there are whacky, that I'll stand behind.

@@bnations2000 How does it work? Would that specifically be for a family member. I'm just thinking how twisted it would be if you could do it to a random person.

Like body parts?

*Nah. Just Cali*

So if someone tries to hurt themself, and they get taken to the hospital, the hospital should provide free treatment to that person? Or the taxpayers should pay? Which solution are you suggesting

That's easy - Police have an insane amount of leyway in what they can say to convince you to do an action. So it was probably a scenario where the guy "allowed himself" to be checked in instead of being 5150'd - which is an involuntary and usually 72 hour hold. I'd have simply had my attorney meet me at the hospital, given a temporary power of attorney to be released or threatened to sue the hospital for malpractice and police for unlawful detention under color of law.

@@TonyCox1351I’m not sure it’s fair for the state to force people to do something and then when they pass the test, charge them for doing it. It’s not their decision. It’s the states decision to test them. The state should pay.

Duh, who the heck do you think will pay?

@@TonyCox1351 For me, it would depend on whether it was a "legit" one or not. If the person really did attempt to or consider harming themselves, then it's fair for them to get the bill. But if an involuntary hold turns out to be a "false alarm", then yes, I would argue that the taxpayers should foot the bill on that.

They caught him wafting the smell of his farts cuz he thought they smelled good. That’s game over in a lot of jurisdictions

"Unless you have a plan to harm yourself." So the phone call from the dad would be the evidence they need of such a plan.

Happens to people who shart in a bowl and claim that it’s beef chili for resale…

No, they do actually pick you up based on other peoples word to play it safe. Almost nothing the victim can say to avoid going to the hospital.

Since red flag laws have been pushed so strongly the last few years they certainly do detain you against your will.

Maybe that's how it was in the past but to protect from a potential suit they'll drag you up and down the city.

EXACTLY. There are all kinds of crazy b friends or g friends who would be getting their partners "committed".

Have you seen the thousands of videos on KZfaq where police act like tyrants? They do this all the time.

I had a friend whose father called the cops on him and gave them false info. I know very few people who have decent parents. People who have decent childhoods typically don't realize how most parents are.

Hi again 😍😍😍

I agree!! More to this story.

If they put him in a room, had nurses and doctors talk with him, took his blood pressure and temperature and heart rate, had him pee in a cup, gave him a meal from the cafeteria… I think $16k was them giving him a discount. ER costs are outrageous for the simplest care.

depending on how far the ambulance took him, it could easily run to 4k. One day in a hospital, and an ER visit, 16k would be easy to see. Most places will settle for less, but because of government, prices are that high.

I have no doubt the cost would run up that high, but if anyone can just make a call and cost someone else 16k that's crazy and I feel like it would happen more often simply as revenge. There's definitely something else going on.

Yeah, you do.

*Don’t wig, Zig*

Lol I've done things out of spite. It's commonplace. Maybe you never have. Guess your better than most, lol.

If his own parents wouldn't pay him a decent wage, he has every right to leave. They took advantage of him

This is why it's so problematic that Jerry Springer is gone. Many of the people who normally would be on his show spread out to other talk shows like this. the screeners need to do a better job of sending these folks to Maury Povich.

You forget he's in California.

We don't have the full story

Admit it Scratch57, you think the responsible people should pay for the irresponsible people.

@@GAFB1122 I didn't say that. I want the exact opposite, and insurance is not assurance that it happens that way. insurance means responsible people paying for irresponsible people. the most responsible person gets injured less often or not at all. and their premiums pay for the injuries of less responsible people. a thin person pays for the self-inflicted problems of the obese person. a safe driver pays for the injuries of a reckless driver. a sober person pays for the damaged body of the drinker. YOU want irresponsible people to be covered by responsible ones. a responsible adult ought to have a fund that can cover medical expenses whether or not insurance is a sensible choice available to them. you're either an insurance agent or a socialist. both can be true of course.

@@GAFB1122 repeating it doesn't make it true. you have made no argument. class dismissed. try again next time.

@scratch57 We all know what you're about. Trying to make others pay for your irresponsibility. Sad!

@@GAFB1122 what are you selling here?

*This call is just classic Cali*

Look at where he lives. California.

@@r.rodriguez4991 It can happen anywhere in the US. Laws still allow personal property to be confiscated and people to be jailed for DUI without proof of wrong doing or due process.

I wouldn't want to either. Maybe if I could haggle the hospital down, but 16k is too big of a bill for most people to just eat. I don't imagine suing family is fun, but it's totally valid to not want to live on lentils to pay off someone else's petty actions. The son is in a tough position, and there's no guarantee that being the bigger person will stop the dad from escalating anyway. People like that don't tend to want peace

THIS!!

We where at a restaurant just me and him then I saw him getting mad so I walked away, that's when he called the cops. Don't be saying I did something stupid

I'm guessing this is a fake call or both the caller and his dad are nuts and play emotional games with each other. We're only hearing his side of the story.