My first year of BMW i8 ownership: Costs, issues, concerns and the future.

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After one year of ownership and 17,000 miles added to the odometer, I decided to upload some information about my ownership experience. I purchased a BMW Certified Pre-owned Used BMW i8 from a BMW Dealer. The 2015 BMW i8 I bought had 10,500 miles on the odometer and was previously owned by the dealership owner. It was a better looking car than a lot of the other 2015 BMW i8's I had gone to visit. Others were in bad shape compared to mine, so I decided to pay more for mine. Insurance was about $100 a month for coverage. I suggest gap insurance that will cover the cost of depreciation, as well as getting a glass rider to cover 100% full glass replacement due to the potential for the windshield to break in the i8.
Please check out Heidi and Franny's first year review of their BMW i8. They covered a lot of subjects I did not cover in their review, so this is incredibly useful information: • BMW i8 Year in Review ...
Overall, I've used the factory and CPO warranty many times. Here are the parts that were replaced on my BMW i8 in the past year via Factory or CPO warranty. The list MSRP price on all these parts is about $6,000 (plus labor).
Oxygen Sensor: 1 11-78-8-617-030 LAMBDA MONITOR SENSOR
Door Sruts: 2 51-22-7-375-528 GAS PRESSURIZED SPRING
Door gap: 8 07-14-9-302-625 FILLISTER-HEAD SCREW
Door gap: 2 07-14-7-328-087 BALL PIN
Door gap: 24 07-14-7-240-724 CLIP GREEN
Turbo leak: 1 13-71-8-697-279 GASKET (TURBO)
Rebooting iDrive: 1 65-12-9-325-986 REMANUFACTURED HEADUNIT
Stress cracked windshield: 1 51-31-7-310-762 WINDSHIELD
1 61-35-6-814-596 RAIN SENSOR
1 51-31-7-310-765 COVER
1 51-31-7-288-462 BUMP STOP
1 51-31-7-354-093 LEFT ROOF FRAME GASKET
1 51-31-7-354-094 RIGHT ROOF FRAME GASKET
1 83-19-2-289-180 WINDSHIELD ADHESIVE
1 83-19-2-289-181 WINDOW-GLASS ADHESIVE
Coolant low warning, but coolant not low:PERFORMED SIB-17-03-18. REPLACED ENGINE COOLANT EXPANSION TANK & WIRES/HARNESS WITH CONNECTOR. CONNECT CHARGER. PERFORM ENGINE COOLANT BLEEDING PROCEDURE.
1 17-13-7-640-831 COOLING WATER EXPANSION TANK
1 61-11-9-312-324 REPAIR CABLE
1 82-14-1-467-704 COOLANT
I compared my BMW i8 to others with similar miles using Cargurus. In short, my car has depreciated about $17,000.
Used car search: www.cargurus.com
How to replace your door struts: • How to replace BMW i8 ...
My review and suggestion on tires: • I love All Season Tire...
BMW i8 depreciation guide: • BMW i8 Depreciation an...
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@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Please check out Heidi and Franny's first year review of their BMW i8. They covered a lot of subjects I did not cover in their review, so this is incredibly useful information: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iMeeqpSnq8Wsk30.html

@richardwhaley8495 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Pat, I wrote recently to H & F to comment on my own one year ownership of an i8, and you replied. Thank you! I was aware of the car since the introduction of the concept and then production in '14 but at the new car price, not for me. So last year when cars became available at 50% off, the hook was set! I had good equity in a 911 so traded it. I'm more of a GT than a sportscar guy anyway so have really enjoyed the i8, especially owning such state of the art technology. I appreciate the efficiency both in it's design operation and it's manufacture. I see that you also like Corvettes as I do, had a C4 then a C6 and have been watching reviews on the C8. Tempting but not yet willing to part with the i8 and not so sure I want to go back to a big, loud, inefficient ICE- V8 . What about you? Thank you for your Vlog, it's well done and helpful in solving the problems that inevitably come up. RW

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words! I was also attracted to the i8 based on it's looks and technology as well. It's a very good car and from what I've heard, it cost BMW to make it than they sold it for. We got a lot for our money. I've taken it on road trips extending over 6 hours one way and it was a joy to drive the entire time. And the thumbs up from passing motorists was nice as well. I've been following along intently on the rumors and progress of the C8. I went to Corvettes at Carlisle, Pennsylvania and examined the cut-away chassis. I saw that there were close out plates installed over the inside of the steering kuckles. That was the first sign that I knew this car would have a front drive line. A closer look at the center tunnel and room up front shows signs of a hybrid infrastructure. I follow Horsepower Obsessed here on KZfaq. I've met him several times and he and I share enthusiasm with the Corvette as well. If you haven't seen his channel, check it out.

@Cruiselord 4 жыл бұрын

10:05 that’s when he discusses problems

@empowermph 3 жыл бұрын

fvck obsessing over problems, anything foreign, get a warranty, or dont get it at all until you can.

@IAMHe777 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks fam 💪🏾

@IAMHe777 2 жыл бұрын

@@empowermph not really, bruh just letting people know so they can cut the bs & get to the point. We may be here for different reasons. As for me I'm an American car guy but mission impossible 4 brought me here 🤷🏾‍♂️ so I'm never buying a mercedes or bmw. I can definitely afford it but like my v8 Camero.

@TekMoliGy 4 жыл бұрын

wow this guy is great. He just goes over the facts and figures plain and simple. so many videos like this are just pure clickbait and never actually cover the actual info like this guy does.

@nineeleven8655 4 жыл бұрын

David from Spain.I ve seen many ownerships reviews of many car along KZfaq.Yours is transparent ,honest and documented.I guess there are some cars that we must buy by heart rather than practicality..Please continue teaching about i8.The i8 is not only a car,it is a new concept about cars in the future and thanks to you it is right here right now.

@grahamjones2759 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to produce such a comprehensive video - and also for being so honest about the risks / rewards / costs.

@brickhouzepizza4877 3 жыл бұрын

sitting right next to my i8 listening to you talk about all these warranty covered issuers I’m happy I have warranty

@michaelharris4269 Жыл бұрын

This has been one of the best explanations and descriptions that most people never tell you or keep track of like you did. Great job

@domenicsaporito 4 жыл бұрын

Great video Pat. Thanks for the time and effort you put into it. Helps punters like us (with limited finances) understand that we need to think very carefully before buying our dream car. :)

@youknowwhothisis1341 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, appreciate the openness, I was so fixated on this car and now seriously doubting my judgement

@distracted_visions7095 3 жыл бұрын

Pat has a lot more patience than I ever would!

@zenitsu3760 6 ай бұрын

I love how transparent this was. Keep up the awesome work

@ajpardilla 4 жыл бұрын

Hey pat I recently bought mine less than a month ago, I did extensive research before I pulled the trigger on 2016 CPO. I pulled the service history and saw fuel pressure gauge replacement which is a notorious problem on all i8. The cpo warranty ends next year which gives me peace of mind but so far so good no issues yet, I wish I found your channel during research phase it would’ve made it easier, great job and big contribution to i8 community

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. Yes, that fuel pressure sensor fails repeatedly, which leads to the inability to open the fuel door on the i8 (per my last video). There are many other things I've read about on the forums and hope to upload more videos talking about some of these issues. Having that CPO warranty helps transfer the risk to BMW. After our CPO runs out, we need to decide whether to take on that risk or sell the car.

@Whateva67 3 жыл бұрын

Can’t wait to see the video on costs for his NSX over the years,should be a good one.

@adrianfowles7250 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for another excellent video. I now know a lot more about what to look for and the potential pitfalls for i8 ownership

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'm working on another video of things I think prospective buyers need to consider before buying. Stay tuned.

@disinverted 9 ай бұрын

What an honest and well reasoned review. Very wise advice, smart guy.

@McDagger90 4 жыл бұрын

Appreciate your honesty. Hope you’re enjoying the car!!

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! So far so good. :)

@justinlink1616 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, thank you for sharing your experiences!

@allenjackson6197 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. You really helped me make my mind up on if I wanted to buy this car or not. I really just like the look of the BMW I8, so if I can find a really good deal, I'll still buy it. Really good informational video...

@hidemiyabi4233 4 жыл бұрын

i appreciate your time! i was just about to grab one of these tomorrow and now i think im going to think it over, im the same way with buyers remorse haha...at the dealer you really really want it then when you get home you start to think hard

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad this video helped. It is an exciting car to behold at first sight.

@TreesOnTheBeach 2 жыл бұрын

Really good, honest video. I was thinking about one of these, but that kind of maintenance is just too much. I think I'm moving on. Thank you for posting.

@leondreamcast 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video I’m from and live in Baltimore too this made this video even more relatable and perfect lol!!

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Hi neighbor! Glad the video was helpful.

@paulmoe1 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Pat. Great video. Good info and very factual. You did, however, bummed me out when you hinted that it may not be worth keeping when the warrant runs out. It's a valid statement and concern. You're right that owning a car such as this is expensive when it time for some sort of repair. It seems that the more expensive the car the more it costs to repair it. Even maintenance is expensive. But, who cares about rational and logical thinking when one is in love with the car. Keep up the great work. I've learned a lot of great things about the i8 from your videos. You are the guru of BMW i8's. Thanks.

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It's truly a dilemma for me, keeping or selling. There are a lot of very cool sports cars out there with similar post-warranty concerned as well. So, we shall see. I still have more i8 content planned in the future. So, stay tuned.

@1234Tubie 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks much for a honest i8 owner experience

@ShaqWigginsvlogs 4 жыл бұрын

This video made me wanna buy the i8! Thanks boss you inspired me to record it and put a video up

@olalesio9260 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this! Makes me feel better as an i8 owner. I am 1 yr in too!

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear I am not alone. Thanks!

@cipher978 3 жыл бұрын

How has it been so far? I’m looking to get one and after these videos I’m kind of thinking of backing out

@user-ob2gv7er8m 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience. I will reconsidered the idea o buying this vehicle.. I am in the same situation, I’m between a C7 or i8

@Banks160 4 жыл бұрын

Wow man, great video. Very detailed with everything and very useful information. Didn't know they can be so expensive to maintain. You should make a video on your experience owning a Corvette. I am planning to buy one in the future and could definitely use information like this one. Btw you just got a New Subscriber!

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I hadn't owned a Corvette in 10 years so my memory is foggy. Please check out YellowVette04, Team512, Horsepower Obsessed, D'z Rides. They are Vette owners and friends who have a ton of ownership experience and DIY videos.

@flymrpate 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the honesty. So many good and valid points Pat. My previous car was a Mercedes C63 coupe, I do miss the 'raw' power you talk about. However, I think the i8 is a great compromise with regards to performance, economy (gas mileage) and the attention it gets. Mine is a late 2016 model and lucky I haven't had any major issues with mine. I've only owned it since Sept 2019 and all I've had is a rattle from the exhaust when the engine starts up and the door struts which I only noticed thanks to you. Ps, I like the way you refer to hitting a deer...like it did! I suppose you've seen the pictures on my Instagram :/

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! And, yes, I remember that Instagram story!

@shake6911 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Pat Love your content, I did like and subscribe! I am in deep thought about purchasing a roadster, and your videos are a huge help, and so insightful. Thank you so much.

@PatsGarageOnline 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@FreeSmokeEA 3 жыл бұрын

Nice car bro sounds like it held up good and the repair prices weren't as high as I thought except for the cost for the dash reset but you made a good choice because for everyone saying get a Corvette they dont know corvettes are having transmission problems and differential problems because they don't have one. Sounds like only little stuff has been goin wrong with the i8

@ImperialHDGaming 4 жыл бұрын

Love your videos and the way you clearly explain the problems etc. I’m in the market for one here in the UK and you can pick one up 2014-15 between 35-50k miles from £37,000-£43,000. But I will definitely be getting an extended warranty if I do go ahead and purchase one!

@stuartlepoidevin6812 Жыл бұрын

Hi, I'm currently looking at buying a 2015 i8, 50k mileage, for£35k. Did u go ahead with your i8 purchase? How has it been? Thnx

@ImperialHDGaming Жыл бұрын

@@stuartlepoidevin6812 Hi Stuart, I ended up getting a 14 plate E63 AMG, completely different car but still have my eyes on the i8 every now and then, interesting car for sure, maybe one day.

@julianowen4 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing the TRUTH about the ownership experience. Especially the financials! Didn’t realize how large of a depreciation hit these cars take.

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It's possible that depreciation is starting to level off, but we won't know until after it's happened.

@twrcrew8852 4 жыл бұрын

I'd say that the I8 is such a unique car in it's own right that the depreciation is temporary. Outlandish (but highly attractive) styling, an attempt at innovation and poor sales are all hallmarks of a future classic

@hazardeur 4 жыл бұрын

thta's why you buy it used

@jamesaron1967 3 жыл бұрын

@@hazardeur Buy used providing you're absolutely sure the car is well maintained, otherwise lease a new one.

@hazardeur 3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesaron1967 well, I usually lease used ones (sportscars) which have less than 15k km's on them. I found it's the best value for money. The cars are still basically new, way cheaper than new, still have factory guarantee so I can sleep at night and best of all, once i decide to get rid of the car I don't need to talk to 50 assholes that only want to testdrive. I can simply give it away. love it. Yeah, I pay more with the lease, of course, as there is interest, but back when I sold cars I owned, I always had to go down on price if I wanted to get rid of it in a timely fashion so it's a no brainer for me. Not a lot of people who buy sportscars around here and most of them I rather avoid if possible

@ChazJacksonTV 4 жыл бұрын

Just FYI i8 owners to make it a lot louder go in sports mode and click it to manual. Makes huge difference with the sound and response is much better. Thanks for this vid I’m a yr in w mine

@lefuedebout 4 жыл бұрын

An interesting and informative video not to say somewhat frightening too. Interesting presentation style, all it needed was the occasional " my, my my " ! :-)

@shahnawazvlog6266 3 жыл бұрын

Great video very helpful Beautiful no matter what! You experience about BMW repair bill we all do they never cheap

@martinshelton1247 4 жыл бұрын

Love your video. I love BMW there no other car I like then the BMW. I like the I8 also, but new it over 150,000 and above. I would be scared to buy a used one. But I wish you the best, it seem you will keep the vehicle for 10 years it doesn’t matter because it’s a BMW.

@paradisecityashram5240 Жыл бұрын

thanks for helping me make my decision.

@keithblanco2616 4 жыл бұрын

great video! thanks so much!!! super helpful!!

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@Gmampouw3086 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review.

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@rashad9014 4 жыл бұрын

Good informative video!

@petercarey6883 4 жыл бұрын

As always, I really enjoy your "Fireside Chats," 😉 that you post from time-to-time, but in listening to this one, I must say that your "enjoyment" of ownership, is in vehicle "enjoyment" and is not limited to just I8 ownership. Your enjoy all aspects of ownership. Whether it's driving it or maintaining it. So, maybe there are others out there like me, but I for one do live a bit vicariously through you because I admire your total enjoyment.👍 Changing topics, I see you're knocking at the 600 subscriber door. I'm looking forward to your breaking into 1k subscriber list so that your COMMUNITY tab will become active. I kinda like that "tab," in that I view it, as a technology challenged individual's (me) equivalent to Instagram.😉 Save the Wave.🙋🏼‍♂️

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter. I appreciate the kind words. It's been quite the experience with the i8. Heck, I take it to Walmart, Home Depot, Grocery store and never have a problem bringing everything home. I need to do a video on practicality! And one on public perception. You've sparked my creativity! Looking forward to that 1k mark. I'm not working for it, I'm working for the viewers, but it's a nice milestone to achieve.

@petercarey6883 4 жыл бұрын

I here what you're saying Pat, but I'm pushing for your subscribers to mulitply like rabbits. I have an ulterior motive. That's where the money is. More money means more content, more content might mean more vehicles. More vehicles might mean A CORVETTE! Yeah baby! 👍😁

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

You're right, Peter. There might be a Corvette on the channel. Or an Alfa Romeo 4C. I'm not sure yet. LOL

@petercarey6883 4 жыл бұрын

An Alpha!? Tell me it's not so! Oh the humanity!🤦🏼‍♂️ I did find out the real reason you bought an I8 though. Take a look at the following upload: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mZOpdJdp396zfmQ.html The owner has a reputation as a "Swinger," but I doubt the owner can swing dance. Then again, in this case, would it really matter?😕🤭

@trodd77 2 жыл бұрын

They love you Pat.

@XxDrac13xX 3 жыл бұрын

I keep forgetting how much car parts are without an employee discount. The spark plugs I use, E3s, usually cost about $29-30 per plug but I pay $5-8 per plug. Wiper blades are normally 2 for the price of 1. I paid $14 for 2 Bosch Icons for my 300.

@Chotchskey 4 жыл бұрын

Love the content Pat... keep up the great work!

@ms23540 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Pat. Hope your good. Thank you for your informative video. Just a quick question….. what’s the mpg been like? Love your channel! 👊

@fredduncan1610 Жыл бұрын

This video just cured me of my desire to buy an i8.

@pumckzy2938 4 жыл бұрын

I envy your car! Congratulations

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@wisam111 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking about getting one of these thanks for talking me out of it. I’ll stick to buying a C8, GTR, or hellcat challenger.

@roshill2010 4 жыл бұрын

Wow I am happy with my 2006 Corolla still runs great. Got it serviced after 2 yrs I normally get it done regular. It give ok milage. Main thing is it's comfortable and I never have to think about replacing anything. Barely anything needed servicing.

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

I had the same experience with my 2007 Ford Explorer Sport Trac. There are definitely great cars out there that cost very little to maintain and give us great and reliable transportation. The exotic platforms are definitely much costlier.

@roshill2010 4 жыл бұрын

@@PatsGarageOnline Yes, most definately the car does look beautiful. You would think it's the other way around when pay alot of money you should get something more put together. But, I guess the more complex the car is more things there are to break on it. I am planning on getting a suv myself too soon enough. Although my dream cars would be the New BMWs and Mercs. Everytime I look up the upkeep cost it puts me off a little but, the enjoyment you get out of owning them is priceless. Ford Everest is what I am looking at. The depreciation is not too bad on em. Will be using it to offroad quite a bit next year. Let's hope this Pandemic clears up for all our sakes. And Job well done on the video really detailed. i8 is definately an eye catcher. I hope the prices stabalize soon enough.

@karlhillcoat-williams8674 4 жыл бұрын

Most valuable and honest insight, thank you.... and you make it look so effortless when doing work on the car! I love this car, especially the roadster, not in any position to buy right now, but loved being on your journey. I hope to one day own an i8, and having your experience and costings as a solid foundation for a commit to buy decision is a real benefit. Your channel is excellent, keep it going... love it.

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the kind words. I'm glad that this information is helpful. Years ago, before KZfaq, I only had the forums to help share the things I learned. I'm grateful for a video platform and awesome subscribers like you. I hope you eventually get that i8!

@robteichman3046 4 жыл бұрын

I bought a CPO 2015 i8 from a NJ BMW dealer. I bought it a year ago (so around the same time as you) but I paid $62,000. It had 18,000 miles on it. So far the only repair I needed was the coolant level sensor. I’m not that far from you (in Philly) so we have similar climates. I did have to work very hard though to get the car at the price I got it. Lots of dealers in our area wanted way over $70,000 and would not negotiate but I noticed out west the car was selling much closer to $60,000. That knowledge and not bing in a rush allowed me to get one for the price I did. Considering these were $130,000 cars when new, the depreciation is terrible. I’m just hoping that we have reached a point where the depreciation slows down dramatically.

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by and letting me know your purchase experience. I've spent time in the Philly suburbs shopping for i8's and am familiar with how much more expensive they were in that area compared to other's in the US. You did a great job with the negotiation by shopping nationally. I never made an offer on a car in the Philly area because the ones that were available when I was shopping were in dire need of cosmetic repairs. I remember saying things like, "It's going to cost me $10k just to get the car looking like it should be in the showroom, but I know you're not going to come down that much, so there's no point in us wasting each other's time." I believe that the prices were depreciating too quickly for even the dealerships to invest much in prepping the car for proper display. I paid up for the model I have but it was the only example that appeared flawless, cosmetically. Still, to this day, I'm very happy with the condition and it's been doing very well over the past year. I'm in the middle of a paint correction and ceramic coating process and am still thrilled with it. I hope you enjoy your i8!

@shawnbond8487 Жыл бұрын

I just purchased a 2017 and honestly since this video was made price has actually gone back up maybe because of the crazy gas prices but a 2015 with good mileage are more around the 70k mark and I was having a very hard time finding any across the nation under 67k

@Jfoster6928 3 жыл бұрын

You just scared me out of getting one thank you

@PatsGarageOnline 3 жыл бұрын

After owning the car nearly 2 years, I believe it's still a good car, but only under warranty. I spent a bunch of money at my dealership to extend it 2 years. I now feel more confident keeping it in my garage.

@chase_vaseleou 4 жыл бұрын

I almost purchased a 16 i8. I wanted a 3 season play car. BUT then I found Polaris Slingshot. Once turboed, it has more fun factor, better gas mileage, and a car that is very "visible" for 40k less. Pretty happy with my choice so far.

@neilxdavis5359 3 жыл бұрын

Isn't it easy to steal?

@Steve-gn4hk 4 жыл бұрын

Can you make a video on changing the brake pads? I enjoy your channel 😎

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It may be a few more years before I need to replace my pads, so I'll provide the service manual links, below, which may help provide the steps you need to take in order to replace the pads: Front pad replacement: www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/i12-i8-cou/repair-manuals/00-maintenance-general-note/00-00-maintenance/1VnYBqPHq0 Rear pad replacement: www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/i12-i8-cou/repair-manuals/00-maintenance-general-note/00-00-maintenance/1VnY5y9Lvm I've picked up the caliper expanding tools online, but have not yet used them. I read that these will do the job in place of the special tools referenced in the service manual: Front caliper spreader: amzn.to/2wTvdPB Rear caliper rewinder: amzn.to/2PvA141

@geraldcole3315 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry about the depreciation for you but hopefully it will be good for me as I hope to get on in the next year or so. Starting to see nice looking examples ( drivers not show cars) in the mid 50's.

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

It is definitely a great buyer's market. And we shall see where the prices go over the next year or two. I have a feeling that since they no longer make this car and there should be no replacement for this car that it actually might see some demand, and prices will begin to rise. It's hard to say, especially since not many people are interested in a three-cylinder engine hybrid car, but it definitely gets a lot of great attention and many people like that along with fuel economy. High voltage battery life should top out at 8 years, so we will have to see what happens in the aftermarket to ensure that this car will always have enough battery power.

@maryrafuse3851 3 жыл бұрын

Don't jump down my throat but my opinion only is that the good old Ford Mustang represents tremendous value and fun. My 2015 is going strong and other than oil, gas & tires it has cost me nothing to maintain. Kind of like the model T in its time. All I can say is the Mustang, for me, is a good car that is fun to drive.

@gregh3256 4 жыл бұрын

Great review Pat! With regards to the painted panels, how did you find that out? Did you use a paint meter or something? Second question is with regards to the door struts. Did you really have to replace the struts twice already in one year? I believe that they "should" be covered under warranty since you yourself had the dealer replaced them once, so why did you not have them replace it the second time? I need to replace mine as well.

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I found overspray and some orange peel that didn't look like factory paint. The closer I looked at panels, the more I could see orange peel. I used to paint years ago. I didn't get a depth gauge due to the panels not being magnetic, as the gauge would be expensive. The dealer replaced the struts last year and I just replaced them again this year because they were sagging, so they lasted 12 months. I'm currently covered under CPO warranty so wear items are not covered.

@marshallme9382 4 жыл бұрын

Wow, thank u so much for the details 🙏

@devinh.6422 4 жыл бұрын

I am wondering which front license plate holder you are using on you i8? Is that The Law by chance?

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

It is the Sto n Sho and MD requires the front plate. I leave it on there unless I'm at a car show or photo shoot. amzn.to/2CA73gl

@jasonstewart1227 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. In Feb of 2022 I purchased a 2019 CPO roadster with 8.5k miles. 1 owner, no issues, org MSRP was $167k and as CPO was $116k. I looked at 10 I8’s and like you I picked the gem over anything. I have 12 months of factory warranty and an extra 1 year of CPO. I wrapped the warranty for an extra year on top of it at $3.5k. The Terra World Package takes the sterile BMW interior and makes it look worthy. The car is a statement piece and not for everyone. As my second car (I drive a Range Rover and it’s my 3rd) I’d say this is a fun toy but I’m amazed at how much of a daily driver it can be. I want to drive it just to drive it. Love it. I also believe this is a future classic. Love the doors and the tech that actually works vs quirky Range Rovers. There was also a tax credit. I looked at a 911 and refused to pay original sticker price for a 3 year old 911 and had 18k miles. I felt the I8 offered more “car” for the money. It’s truly unique tech and was designed to prove a point on possibilities. You can always get a Porsche. You won’t be able to get an i8-It’s now or never to get a CPO. I’d recommend the car for someone who wants a statement piece, a second car or does not need room but wants what is the most reliable exotic looking car by comparison. Only get a CPO and one that looks good and not abused. Appreciate your story and insights. Nothing scared me just validated what I would already expect for a high-end exotic.

@Czechbound 4 жыл бұрын

Very high deductibles vs what is typical from my experience in Europe. We're more in the 300EU 50 500EU range

@eyadabbas9659 4 жыл бұрын

The i8s have been hitting near the top of their depreciation curve - they’re struggling to go much lower than 55k-62k regardless of mileage. I think in general it will struggle to go much lower than that as well. Getting it certified pre owned around $60k and flipping it to a private buyer over the course of a year may not be a bad idea.

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Very good points. I have been watching CarGurus and found 2014 i8 cars with higher mileage in the high $40k to low $50k range. Those have sold already but they were out there.

@empowermph 3 жыл бұрын

yup i think it's at the bottom. the much older, primitive Audi R8 is holding at $60K bottom too.

@personacallida101 2 жыл бұрын

I'm still predicting that the value will lower further in 2024 onward when the last bits of drivetrain warranty expire.

@Mark.D.H. 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the interesting and honest report. However, at what point does the constant concern over reliability and potential ruinous repair costs overtake the enjoyment of the car?

@PatsGarageOnline 3 жыл бұрын

As long as it's under warranty and BMW provides loaner cars, it's OK. I decided to extend my CPO warranty for 2 years, otherwise I would have sold it.

@robtron3 4 жыл бұрын

Whoa great video

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@charaznable2950 4 жыл бұрын

As a previous Aston Martin V8 and V12 owner, I had pretty similar problems. Things will break on the car, parts are expensive. I had both Aston without any warranty so I basically ate all those bills by myself. Insurance of the i8 sits around the same as my v8 Vantage and the V12 Virage cost a bit more. So in January, I decided to end the Aston ownership and went into a 2020 Supra. There are definitely things you'll miss when going into a different class of cars but I think the idea of getting into a car that is built to be more reliable is good for the long run. I can't say definitively but as far as I know, the build quality of the i8 just isn't great. The Aston was just not designed to be used as a daily ca and for me with only one garage space and in need of a daily, I choose the less power, cheaper to deal with, maybe not as good looking Supra. Since you said you were a corvette guy, try the new C8. It definitely has a Walmart Ferrari 430 taste to the look but at least the power is there and so is the warranty. I can't say I am happy with the downgrade to this similar acceleration front mid-mount rear-wheel drive Supra because I miss the styling of my Aston and I truly hope there is more power. To you going from this mid-engine into the C8 mid-engine, all you loose is the styling so I think it's a trade-off you should be able to handle.

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience with the Aston Martins. I believe there comes a time when we transition from desirable ownership and undesirable ownership and that time happened for you. The same happened with me with the 78 Corvette that I had and a 97 Corvette is what I needed, which was a totally different platform. It sounds like the transition to the Supra was just what you needed and I hope that it gives you many years of good ownership! And, to your point, the C8 Corvette may be a better platform for me. I've sat in one of the pre-production cars at Corvettes at Carlisle, Pennsylvania this summer. And my initial reaction was: "It's cramped. I can't see over the console as well as the i8. The armrest and center console are closer to my torso than the i8. This car feels like it's designed more for someone who wants to track the car." So, I compared it to the i8 because I can't remember what it felt like to sit in and drive a Corvette, because I had to sell it 10 years ago. However, I haven't driven a C8 yet, and that needs to happen for me to be able to fully understand what it would be like to use the car. I want a performance car that also suffices as a daily driver, and for me, the Corvette felt too special to do that. If I do get one, I hope I don't fall back into that mindset.

@0BLACKESTFUN0 Жыл бұрын

loss value is hard , and the parts also very exclusive for a hybrid bmw since they not much out

@jacobmulligan5962 Жыл бұрын

3 years later the i8 seems to have slowed in depreciation. They're still sitting around 60k to 70k and I cant imagine them going down any further.

@slone313 4 жыл бұрын

Damn good video lots of n4 👍

@dadtype2339 Жыл бұрын

I like how other comments are like Ooo, wow, I'll stick to my Honda, lol okay, Honda can have problems too, but yeah they will be cheaper to repair, just like with Lamborghini, you will have an exotic car with exotic prices, and the i8 is considered an exotic car and being a BMW of course it's going to be pricey. Thanks for putting this together thumbs up. I've been tracking them for sometime now on places like Guru cars, and although they have dropped in price but most of them are still in the high 70ks to 80ks, and some with less than 2k miles are in the 100k so they have held up really well in my opinion. And I believe, especially the roadsters, these will be very collectable and sought for by 2025-2030. And of course their price will go up. The end note on these is you are getting an exotic car without the exotic fuel costs lol. No other out there right now in the exotic department can get about 30 miles to the gallon. And considering how much power they squeezed out of a little 3 banger, that's very impressive. Again thanks for putting this up subscribed btw.

@zanthony1286 4 жыл бұрын

if the I drive is rebooting then could be faulty battery too as in my case

@Sigma.6 2 ай бұрын

I was ready to trade my Z4 for an i8, but after watching this I realise my 2.5 straight 6 engine is bulletproof. Ive only had to change a bulb in 8 years, plus the normal running costs. I'll keep my Z4. 🎉😂😂

@syouanis 3 жыл бұрын

how do you get the warranty? if i were to buy a 2016 or 2017 what would you recommend getting and how would i do so?

@PatsGarageOnline 3 жыл бұрын

I would talk to BMW and use their warranty as it covers most things. If the car is out of factory warranty, BMW won't give you any extended warranties. So, you'll have to find something still under warranty.

@funkyguy0 Жыл бұрын

Hi Pat, thanks for these amazing videos. Learned a lot and got my i8 last month. I have a question, my AC has gotten that musty smell, the smell during the summer heat like bacteria is brewing in there. I know most cars you can spray a can of lysol to help with that smell, what do you suggest with the i8?

@PatsGarageOnline Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure what to suggest. You may have a clogged condensation line so it may be necessary to have that cleared out by a mechanic as I don't know exactly where it's located

@Jesse-Jackson 3 жыл бұрын

Hi would you recommend a 2017 or 2018 CPO i8 I ask because it seems the newer the model the better it will hold up perhaps in addition to the performance upgrade HP-wise in the 2018 model. These seem to be going for around the price range 70-75k currently with the climate we are in now in 2020. What are your thoughts on which year should target? Mileage (definitely looking sub 20k rn)? Thanks!

@PatsGarageOnline 3 жыл бұрын

Hello and thanks for the question. The 2017 and 2018 model years are essentially the same car. If you have the choice between two, I'd pick the one with the later CPO date. Also, i8's have been on the road 60k+ miles without anything specific breaking. Lower mileage typically means higher value. Expect depreciation to hit hard the first year you get a used 2017 or two years for the 2018. If you have the cash, get the 2 year extended CPO warranty. You don't have to buy it the same day you get the car. You can extend CPO right up until your CPO runs out. Negotiate with your dealer.

@PeterRoos 3 жыл бұрын

High depreciation is kind of typical with exotic cars ... comes with the territory. I have to say though that for a car that is only 5 years old, it has design issues which are $$$ to maintain. Very nice looking car, but it wouldn't be for me, I'm quite happy with my gas guzzling 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee. If gas mileage is your goal you could also get a Prius! But best of luck, hope you'll enjoy it as long as you can.

3 жыл бұрын

Hang on to it there will be tuner parts for the inverter and the battery pack. Your maintenance should be low.

@scammer9348 3 жыл бұрын

This man straight finessed bmw with that warranty 😂

@vidaspetrosiuspetrosius6784 2 жыл бұрын

how to enable start stop system on bmw i8

@abc-ov4oh 2 жыл бұрын

Hi friend, Is the engine thermostat a internally lubricated part?

@GTRWendy 4 жыл бұрын

Is changing out the brake pads on the i8 pretty standard?

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Please see my reply to Steve's comment posted earlier today. I pasted the service manual instructions there. But it's pretty standard.

@supercar-junction 2 жыл бұрын

Love this car would love to see me in one

@user-zs6wp1vz2s Жыл бұрын

Pat have do you remember what the common fix is for regenerative braking fault warning light? The problem resets after every restart but wanted to know if you have diagnosed the root cause?

@PatsGarageOnline Жыл бұрын

I never investigated this fault so I don't know what to suggest.

@johnbarcelo2191 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Pat ! Upon your purchase of the i8 did you buy this one outright? Deciding if I should go outright or finance as far as keeping this car in the long haul

@PatsGarageOnline 2 жыл бұрын

I bought this one outright after saving up for 10 years but do what's right for you, economically.

@klausnielsen7102 4 жыл бұрын

A part of the depression is you consuming the warranty. In fairness you should deduct the cost covert by warranty from the estimated depreciation!? I am one month into ownership of my 2020 i8 Roadster and in my marked(Norway)it’s covert by 5/8 years 200,000 km. of factory warranty! I know that I am going to take a big hit on depreciation but there won’t be any additional cost.

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes, this is a very valid concern. The CPO warranty which takes me to 5 years and unlimited miles costs dealers approximately $4,000 USD. I can deduct that from repair costs. However, beyond this warranty, the number help me decide how much money I need to have in reserve in order to keep driving the vehicle. So, I'm a little anxious for the future

@1234Tubie 3 жыл бұрын

forgot about the similar depreciation on the Z8

@sdrob6374 3 жыл бұрын

Maryland plates. I see them all over San Diego.

@tmass1 Жыл бұрын

are you aware of any of these issues that were fixed or addressed in 2019 later models?

@PatsGarageOnline Жыл бұрын

None that I'm aware of.

@vidaspetrosiuspetrosius6784 2 жыл бұрын

hi.maybe u know how turn off start stop funkcion.

@brettrobbins2707 3 жыл бұрын

That windshield looks like a door issue, the closing of the doors must twist the roof so I'm assuming you would want to try and close the doors as soft as possible

@PatsGarageOnline 3 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing about the doors. The crack extended to where the doors mount to the A pillar. I asked the service center if there's something I must to do prevent this, and they said they haven't seen enough of them have this problem to come up with a solution. It only cracked the outer layer of glass so I'm assuming it "pulled" on the glass. The most tension would have been when both doors were open at the same time. Who knows? I haven't had any reoccurrence in the past year +. But, I have full glass coverage now so I'm happy.

@rrobinson001 3 жыл бұрын

So Pat what do you think about the discontinued connected drive for bmw's 2016 and older. I just got the email that you have until Feb 22, 2022. Also are you looking at work arounds.

@PatsGarageOnline 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, there are no workarounds. We'll have to live without this feature in the future.

@kiashennayagar2632 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Pat! Thank you for your videos :) I'm considering buying a 2017 i8. However, I'm a bit concerned now that BMW has decided to discontinue the brand. I would like to know how you feel about this? What do you think this will mean for the depreciation of the older models? Will it be difficult to get the spare parts for this vehicle? Perhaps this needs a video on its own?! Nevertheless, I would highly appreciate your trusted and valued response :)

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the questions. BMW never intended for the i8 to continue, long term. It is loaded with technology and as newer cars come out with better tech, this one appears older and less appealing. This will result in lower prices for the used i8. Some speculate that this is the bottom of the depreciation curve due to it no longer being produced. That often happens with a desirable car. Spare parts, by law, will be available for 10 years after the end of production. I might do a video on this. Thanks!

@paulthorpe766 4 жыл бұрын

Will go out in value after 5-8 yrs unquestionably

@chase_vaseleou 4 жыл бұрын

Two directions, it falls fast further and bottoms out at $10k or it become a collectors car and value eventually goes up. I've noticed an up tick recently and stabilization in price. However after videos like this I stopped my search for an i8, went with a Slingshot.

@yezult 4 жыл бұрын

wait a min, how did u get to the dealership if u bought a car???

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

I got a ride there.

@SyVlogs 4 жыл бұрын

$100 a month for insurance?!? In Canada im paying $350-$400 a month on a ford fusion and thats the average cost here.. you guys have it soo cheap with insurance there im jealous LOL

@Younotus455 3 жыл бұрын

Lol I pay 125$ for 2 drivers, man Canada is crazy with insurance. It’s a scam, claim all you want on Insurance. Because your premium goes up with each claim. Then you just end up paying for an accident 2x as much. Someone should put a stop to this huge pyramid scam

@slkret123 8 ай бұрын

Hi Pat . Im considering an I8 and am intrigued by the "free" oil and filter deal. But I can't find the link for the PayPal free return shipping. Could you aim me in the right direction? Thanks Steve

@PatsGarageOnline 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for asking. PayPal stopped offering free return shipping.

@dannygo4230 3 жыл бұрын

Did you include sales tax on the $78000 sale? In Los Angeles, sales tax would be close to $7800 (you will not get that back). So the cost of ownership would be $78000 - $65000 + $7800 .... over 20K. Did you look to buy the car through private party?

@Ob1Chosen1 3 жыл бұрын

I’m from Maryland as well looking for an i8!

@AlejandroAguilar-zx2tz 4 жыл бұрын

I haven’t watched the entire video yet but would you recommend leasing or buying this car. I’m thinking about getting the roadster.

@PatsGarageOnline 4 жыл бұрын

Leasing is good if you don't intend to go over mileage. It reduces your risk since BMW would be responsible for fixing and maintaining the car. You could truly enjoy the car and return it after the lease. The value of the car vs what you'd have to pay after lease-end is so wide that it wouldn't be wise to buy the car at the end of the lease. The same holds true for a roadster which hasn't depreciated yet. You'd likely lose more money on depreciation during your ownership than you would on a lease, but you'd have to run the numbers.

@AlejandroAguilar-zx2tz 4 жыл бұрын

Pat's Garage Online thank you that makes a lot of sense. I just want to use the car when I go to business meetings or out to nice places.

@rxnzshadownk9042 2 жыл бұрын

It's sound like you have the hole i8 system replaced

@DjDobleU809 2 ай бұрын

Now I understand why BMW discontinued this model. The i8 was a nightmare to the warranty company. Just those 3 repairs he described would have been 10k+. All covered with $0 out the door to the customer. That was obviously not a recipe to make profit for BMW.

@PatsGarageOnline 2 ай бұрын

True. I had also heard that every i8 was sold at a loss to BMW when you factor in the years of R&D and the costs associated with bleeding edge tech. This often happens when manufacturers have a halo car like this.