@danielmorad, well, maybe I did take it too personally and I'm sure we all want that, close to perfect sim that can give us realistic or if you want fun, as not everyone will experience rl driving, so yea maybe I over react but as you will hold a big influence over your audience maybe it would be nice or a better review once you have given the title more time to give it a more fair review, with it dialed in. I understand your a busy guy with the season still ongoing, so maybe in 6 months a second review I'd watch.

I’m grateful for the honesty and the real-life reference. The entire reason we enjoy sim racing is because we prefer a realistic reflection of driving in our pretend race cars. I find it bizarre that people would defend ACC’s depiction of racing without having any real-life experience of GT cars.

re: side note 2. Are you gonna do an iRacing "HONEST" review too?

I truly didn't see how you could favor iRacing over ACC (in spite of the fact you actually race these things as a professional). Your description of finding the sweet spot just shy of triggering the ABS on iRacing was so enlightening! Thank you so much for that video.

PLEASE DO AMS 2 REVIEW PLEASEEEEEEEEE

This is the perfect comment. I totally agree with it. All of it.

I have a genuine question on the braking and ABS. It seems like it's all over the board with what people say, and I'm 100% not saying anyone is wrong. I'm actually curious if it differs based on the driver and how they use braking in their own driving in GT3. I've seen people on KZfaq say it's the best ABS simulation, and of course some don't say that like Daniel mentions here. I've also watched the GT World races and I've heard the announcers (and possibly the guest driver doing announcing) say that they 100% the brakes and use the ABS on hard deceleration. Interestingly, in the Daytona 24 race they spoke about how the GTE cars are now using ABS when they never have before, and they had a couple of the drivers join them in the booth and the GTE drivers talk about how hard it is for them to go from the old GTE cars without the ABS, to the new GTE cars where they have to remind themselves to use all of the brakes and rely on the ABS. Then again, they don't say how much they're using the ABS, like Daniel has mentioned in the past he'll use the ABS as a notification that it's time to back off just a little on the brakes, but also not stay in it and let the ABS do all of the work. So that's what makes me wonder if it's a driver to driver perspective and how they use the systems, or if it's general use where everyone generally does it the same and people are making it sound like that's not the case. Or could it even be using ABS in a different way from car to car?

To avoid possible confusion, a slight correction: there were no "new GTE" cars in this year's Daytona 24, or any IMSA race after the end of the 2021 season. The WeatherTech series GT cars are all GT3 now, except for the Corvette which is the GTE/GTLM car with ABS and other modifications to roughly equate it with the GT3's ("GTD" in IMSA terms) while GM develops a true GT3 version which will debut next year. Former GTE drivers have commented as you said regarding ABS, but they're driving GT3 class cars now. This year was also the last for GTE at Le Mans and the WEC, and those cars still do not have ABS. Back on topic - I have no real world racing experience besides some karting - but I've got a few thousand hours in various racing sims and I seem to struggle with braking in ACC more than others. My skils are probably no better than average, but it just seems inconsistent. I think I'm doing the same things but some laps the car just doesn't slow the same, and i end up off track. It's frustrating. Thanks Daniel for the videos, this is great insight for us. Daniel go vroom!

try assetto corsa (with csp mods,) and but properly built cars like URD, united racing porsche . You will really love that!

This is why people with real life experience don't openly comment, as soon as they do there are schmucks asking their own pointless questions which they will then reiterate in every other comment section as gospel lmao. Of bloody course it differs based on the driver and how they use braking in their own driving in GT3 🤦‍♂@@Hardcaslte​

I don't think we need a real driver to tell us that rF2 is way better than acc and iRacing, it speaks for itself but unfortunately its just not popular to the mainstream player so for a youtube vid it would get the less views than iRacing or acc. I would love to see Dan play AC1 but that kind of falls into the same category even though its has a way higher daily player rate.

​@@JaredPaul01there are a lot of real drivers who don't prefer rf2 over iracing. It's not as perfect as you think.

I will get to it for sure. I just need to do that after the race season. It’s ramping up in august until end of October. It’s going to be crazy stretch.

@@JaredPaul01 RF2 Feels pretty bad IMO. Not good at all, very spongey, gamey and unnatural.

​@@MrThedestroy3r Well its one of the most preferred sim's along with AC1 for irl drivers to practice so not sure where got that info. look I really like Daniel Morad's streams and youtube advice and I like hearing what hes got to say. But like many people I drive real cars too, they might not be full on race cars but I can drive cars I owned or have driven in rf2 and AC1 and they can be bloody close to the real thing. At the end of the day it comes down to experience and what to look for with physics and tire models and setting up the sim correctly.

Couldn’t agree more with that last sentence. It’s all about fun.

Well we're not comparing which game is more "fun".. We're comparing acc to a real car.. Which is acc,, This channel complains about the game having too many sound effects 😂 which can be adjusted but ok,, too many sounds 👍

@@SupernaturalPowerz well I can’t compare any game to real because I’m not a racing driver and I’ve never driven a race car. Sound is subjective.

@@SupernaturalPowerzthe only reason we have this comparison is because of the community’s obsession with which is closer to real life. Talk about focusing on the wrong thing. This comes from the same people that insist on calling them “sims” and get offended if you call them games.

The body flex is unused and undocumented, mainly because it's bad. Maybe later it can be used as a visual representation. Ilja devved it, not Jackson. COSMIC can support a 2nd chassis for flex, though.

Ye I would love to see him try that out too because to me nothing is better then that

I agree but Even vanilla AC is much better than ACC. it just feel right to drive even if its supposedly ''less advanced" a sim can have all the technical stuff but if it feels wrong its just wrong. looking forward to AC2!

Updated physics is so much better 👍

​@@JaredPaul01Cars in AC have non existent inertia and the cars have too much resistance/wobble in FFB like Daniel is pitching in this video. It seems like something Kunos is not willing to work out. Then the throttle and brakes require way too much pressure more than real life.

Don't do rennsport it's still beta my brother

Especially in beta phase it's important he gets to test it

@@EricW6800 you can't judge and unfinished game

Ams2 has greatly improved

There is no "realistic" game! Just different flavors. But the "Rennsport" thing... You DO understand that they have gone "all in" with their chips, and are aiming to get iRacing's subcribership 1000 fold? They want to legitimize esport sim racing to the point it gets televised on major sports channels globally. They will either win big or bust. They are playing a high stakes game!!!! How much have they spent on the last 2 expos? a Million dollars US each time? And all the prize money? They are really trying to make a significant impression! I truly hope they succeed! But I have dim hopes in reality. (if they succeed, can you imagine how much they can invest in the "physics" and "force feedback"???)🤤🤤🤤

Exactly same.

I will definitely get to that in the future. I need to review other Sims, but I am so busy in season right now. I need to do it when the seasons over.

Thanks a lot!

I will try that

All settings FFB?

Lmk if you ever need to let go of some stuff. I'm interested.

@michaelserrano8339 Hey Mike! All of the kit that I use, I've bought for my son. He will inherit all of my belongings in a few months....

Good point too. These games and software titles are full of compromises. They are supposed to be fun and cater to millions of users with different hardware, skills and expectations.

Same

@@degeautdfanfirst I thought I was delusional with weird ffb mid corner, good to know it is not just me.

I didn’t play the game because of it. But recently I gave it a try again and it’s much better in my opinion. The 1.9 update has something to do with it for sure.

Well there's no such thing as "100%" IRL, you can always press the pedal harder. But almost any GT3/GT4 onboard will show the drivers are heavily leaning on the ABS in the big braking zones.

Not every corner I suspect 😊

James has also said that you trail brake much more in the real thing

You just discovered sponsorship man :D

James Baldwin is an amateur driver. Big difference.

So you would turn dynamic damping down?

@@Rene_Bo I would turn all of the in-game FFB stuff off except GAIN and apply friction, damping and (little) inertia via firmware. To me it feels like ACC aims for a roughly 1:1 software gain and driver gain correlation in regards to mid-corner torques, so for a 10Nm wheel you would want to run 70-80% gain in ACC for a realistic 7-8Nm mid-corner. For a 20Nm wheel you would run 35-40% and so on. I haven't actually measured, but it's just my rough impression. Obviously the bumps will be unrealistic due to no PS simulation.

@@ArchOfficial cool.. will try that for sure! Im on SC2 and actually running Daniels GT3 profile on Truedrive

@@Rene_Bo Correct settings vary car-to-car but they're generally pretty similar. So for a PS car, hefty friction for the rack (About 2Nm for PS usually), hefty damper for either hydraulic fluid or EPS damper logic (and some simulation reasons, to help with oscillations) and a little bit of inertia to account for the components but also for simulation reasons, to help with oscillations near center. Inertia makes oscillations in transient worse, so beware. Generally on most bases 30/30/10 is a good starting point. I run more on Alpha Mini mainly driving roadcars, closer to 50/40/10. Not all bases will have "100%" mean the same thing so beware. There is no way to fully counteract oscillations in transient situations with DirectInput wheelbases, and the inertia setting that tunes out *all* oscillations near center is too high of a setting realistically and will result in a really high oscillation amplitude in transient, so I generally believe in minimizing inertia-induced oscillation and then just applying proper friction and damping. In GT cars where you will mostly be gripping the wheel and producing some natural damping from your hands, you can go closer to realistic settings, but I get a better experience going a bit higher on damping for drifting.

I will be sure do try that. Thanks a lot.

Try rF2 with GT3 pack

That's one of the reasons I have stick with Iracing. Hard to go back to ACC.

I will get to them after my racing season :)

this is what i feel exactly!

iRacing's braking is still wrong: while it follows the logic of decaying grip with downforce it's tuned completely wrong. In real life for the most part of hard brakings you want to kick the pedal almost as hard as possible and then bleed pressure off, it's that sudden increase of braking pressure that initiates the braking and makes all of the difference from stopping too late or nailing the entry. In iRacing you want to apply that pressure very gently and release it just as much, dragging a little percentage of braking all the way into the apex in what is known as trailbraking, which is also way too powerful compared to real life. This is because if you're pressing the brakes (no matter how much) you're basically asking some grip from the tyre, same goes for every time you turn the wheel; you'll understand that if you brake and turn at the same time you're inevitably taking potential performance out of both of these. In real life you'd expect the car to slow down into the apex but at the same time lose a bit of turning ability, generating some understeer, although very light. When you're off both brakes and the throttle, called coasting, that's when you get the most neutral rotation of the car usually. Trailbraking in iRacing never produces understeer because the lateral grip generated while holding very small percentages of input is much higher than you'd expect therefore coasting not only is useless but it's also detrimental. No sim does braking right because in real life the braking is calculated in how much weight you're applying to the pedal, from 0 to potentially infinite. In a game or sim they need to digitalize this and put a hard stop at one point, basically levelling the playing field. The way they did it in ACC is simply dumb because if two people brake at the same time applying 100% pressure until the apex, how on earth does one overtake the other?

​@@danielebrambilla2290 nice insights! in the case of trailbraking / coasting in iracing i feel there is a lot of difference between the different gt3 cars. the way you describe is how i perceive to porsche to handle for example, but not so much the front engine cars. I also disagree that it is always faster to apply brake pressure slowly if you look at the telemetry of reasonably fast lap times. sure, weight transfer seems to be more delicate than in acc, but its not like you can never "kind of" kick the pedal in a hard braking zone. edit: talking about single lap pace and ignoring nurturing tyres over a stint.

@@markuskenel The Porsche being rear engined requires more trailbraking (deeper into the corner) because by holding the brakes you're loading the front axle, effectively pushing the front tyres into the ground, expanding their contact patch and extracting more grip, with the unwanted effect of overheating and wearing them. By doing this, you can lift the rear and make it rotate in a more predictable way, being able to play on the edge of grip. It is a very hard car and also one of a kind though, as the AMG for example having a longer wheelbase and being front engined is naturally more loaded at the front and will tend to have a more precise and direct front end so a lot of trailbraking does nothing but creating more understeer, to which you might respond with more turning input and therefore creating oversteer. I haven't driven every single car in iRacing but I tried almost all the GT3's and they all require the same trailbraking technique.

I compared a lot of onboards with telemetry, iracing is pretty accurate.

It makes no sense. Intuitively, you want to give it a light brush but then the balance is weird and it slides.

Don’t let price of iRacing hold u back

@@kevwburke let the awful tire model do that instead 🤣

And the netcode 😅

It’s tricky. It’s a skill that needs to be acquired. The comments are so good right now. I have my popcorn lol

Yeah, finding the sweet spot based on feel can be very tricky in ACC. I say this as someone with over 550 hours in ACC. Still my only sim so far, apart from having tried iRacing for a month or so, but unlike Daniel I didn't like the FFB in iRacing at all. Felt very light and numb in my opinion. Funny how that works, the exact opposite. Maybe it's because I only tried the MX-5s but the FFB (and the pricing especially) is what made me bounce off iRacing hard. I think FFB is a matter of personal taste as well probably. But going back to ACC: I think attacking corners in ACC is based more on memory than feel, and that makes ACC very difficult to master IMO. I'll admit I'm still struggling with the braking in some of the corners although my shitty setup probably has a lot to do with it as well (no rig yet). But since comparing myself with telemetry from Popometer I've discovered that my braking still needs work, especially brake release. The fast guys tend to brake a little bit earlier than I do, then lean on the ABS for quite a long time, and then release the brakes relatively quickly but smoothly. That's going to require some adjusting from me due to bad habits, but I've only made this discovery thanks to the telemetry and not the feel I get from the sim. You really have to remember like: "oh, now this corner is coming up again, I have to hold the brakes for this long, and release the brakes like that" etc, and that's for every corner in every lap. But not every corner requires 100% brake. That upsets the balance of the car too much. Look at Nils Naujoks, he explains is very well. Hoping AC2 improves on some of these areas a bit. For sure it's good to hear these things from a real driver. Would like to see you do a video on the other sims as well if you feel like doing that.

@@nimz7309 I don't like to guess on what the car is doing. This is what ACC feels like to me most times as I have a hard time feeling what the front end is doing. I understand these are all "games" we play and its impossible to get a full ass in seat feel as in real car but as you said because the lack of feedback ACC becomes a lot harder to master. I am totally talking about steering feedback, braking in ACC never really bothered me that much. As for iracing ffb some cars do feel completely numb vs others. MX-5 has never been that exciting to drive in iracing.

It's called "you suck" bro. You all suck at acc. There is no "sweet spot" you can keep spamming like iRating. Welcome to the new age boy

@@danielmoradi don’t think i have ever seen so mutch good comments and discussions under a video. I am just reading it all for so long. Lovely community in simracing

I’ll definitely do it at the end of my season

It isn’t that bad lol. It’s actually reasonable tbh

You took it easy on the game 😂

I actually feel the braking between the sims is the same essentially. If you assume 60% on iracing is 100% on acc. If you would deadzone the last 40% of your pedal from your iracing settings for acc you can use pretty much the same technique.

​@@daviddanser8011what happens if you brake 61% does abs just take over up to 100% because if not (to my 16:50 understanding) it wouldn't be the same? I don't play either game. I was just curious. I've played a lot of ac and was interested in acc but there definitely seems to be different than I had hoped

So iracing does all these things just like real life?

Kunos isn't particularly well-known for being receptive to feedback, even from pros.

Most naïve comment of the day ;)

Why, do u pay Daniel to do this or Kunos??? Nothing comes for free😅

@@ryomaprime3130 of course they should pay him. They could also advertise with his expertise. But I think Daniel wouldn't give his name for a product that he isn't 100% satisfied with

@Nathaniel87 Daniel just did "help with improving the game." Short of joining their R&D team anyways. He spent time testing out the latest update, made notes of what felt real to him, what could possibly be better & why he feels driving ACC too much would adversely affect his racing in real life. He then put together a 17 or so minute video about his conclusions which most know takes way longer than 17 minutes to compile & edit. He then shared those conclusions with anyone/everyone that chooses to watch it by uploading it to KZfaq. 👍

we cant feel g forces in da sim, so it helps us get a feelin for what da car is doin i love it at least in AC, i dont play ACC

Absolutely. Always open to helping if they are interested.

Will do!

That’s what I’ve been hearing

@@danielmorad you are going to have to judge that for yourself. Original AC is looming with correlation issues to production cars and the GT3 cars feel like they are on ice. It’s a dated game and it shows itself quickly.

@@Cal3000 That's just the original content GT cars from Kunos being modeled badly, the game engine and physics are still superior. 3rd party mod cars such as those from RSS have far better suspension and aero values which make the cars perform very similarly to ACC and iRacing.

AC's main problem is still the behaviour over curbs. The rest is ok in my view.

@@1o891 the problem I have is that content is all over the place with the quality level. Nothing really feels refined. In a sea of content, there’s only a few good mods.

I assume this could be a result because of "wrong" driver settings and ingame FFB settings. I don't have a current iRacing subscription, but I have ACC, AC, AMS2, RF2 and Raceroom installed and for me ACC is providing the best FFB, it feels fantastic and realistic on most of the tracks. But there are also some tracks where it's feeling realy numb on the front, e.g. Watkins Glen.

I am curious about this as well. However, I would assume whatever comes easier and feels more natural is the sim that resembles realism, especially for a driver who drives that car professionally. I agree setup is huge, but regardless inital mechanics to driving a specific car is pretty huge to the characteristics of that car.

I still need to optimize it but I can tell you right now, even with max optimization, it still feels off. It’s fun but it isn’t realistic vs some other titles.

@@danielmorad I appreciate your reply but my confusion is that you have other people who drive at your level who are disagreeing with you and it's like who do we TRUST?! haha. As someone who has done sim racing for a very long time the settings make a huge difference with what's going on. I 100 percent believe for you that it's not there for your style and preferences, I kind of take issue with how you call it a video game level thing, because you are having quite the influence on a lot of people who hang on your word. But honestly that's them instead of you. I am heavy into flight sim and have a long career in the Air Force and that community has a very similar issue where pilots will disagree on the accuracy of public sims on which is more realistic and isn't. It's super interesting to see given they fly the exact same machinery. I definitely respect your opinion, though I admit I am eager to find out if there are more drivers who agree with you...then we can all have those who prefer iRacing and all those who prefer ACC just argue at a roundtable for your next video haha.

After my racing season.

@@danielmorad When you play the first Assetto Corsa, please use the RSS Mercedes AMG GT3.

RaceRoom

I really need to get AC. I’ve seen Jimmy Broadbent play it and it seems like a lot of fun. I want to try that Japanese drifting Road.

@@danielmorad well wat are you waiting for its pretty inexpensive and not difficult to get content manager up and running. been doing a bunch of sim drifting on it

@@danielmorad yeah, don't just play vanilla AC though, content manager and the latest custom shader patch really bring the best out of the game. Yeah the drifting and the mod tracks and cars for the drifting is unreal on AC, you will LOVE IT!

@@danielmorad Join Togue Union!!!

AC came out with artificial effects, ACC got rid of them. They certainly have some extra work to make a good calculated braking handling.

@@NoNo-fi7nq Whatever Kunos is doing, RFactor and iRacing both have brake that feel natural. Threshold braking is nonexistent in ACC.

Maybe ACC can adapt something so it feels good for controller players and also for high end sim gear.

also add a list of good tracks to purchase to practice on :)

It would be great. Although I really like how challenging the breaking is in iRacing, I have the feeling I have to apply too little force on the pedal although my load cell is at 100% (I own a Fanatec CS v3)

We’ll wait for Daniel’s answer, of course, but I believe he said 40-50 kg of force on the brake pedal. He also has a video where he demonstrates using the muscles in the thigh for the initial braking and then anchors his heel and uses his the fast-twitch muscles to control the anchor for the fine small movements to modulate and trail brake.

​@PloSkys73 a good way to decide track purchases is head to the forums and have a look at the class of car you want to focus on. have a look at past schedules. As for most of the c+ license series the community votes on tracks. There will be certain tracks that are featured more often than others across the different series... ie GT3 will be at more mid to large size tracks that feature in current series irl worldwide.. where say GR86/Mx5 is going to see more variety of tracks in the mid/shorter size

​@@PloSkys73Sebring is a good track to learn it's very rough, vir is a good track also.

I agree with you the graphics need to be updated. Unfortunately with a subscription service, they do not want to risk losing a piece of that revenue by updating graphics to a point where some cannot use the service.

@@smoove7932 They've literally been upgrading the graphics in the engine. The problem is they have to update all the tracks to make use of it. Which takes a lot of time, because they basically have to redo everything from scratch to make use of it.

The cars in iRacing are easier than ever to drive... not sure why y'all keep saying "ice racing", it hasn't been like that in over 5 years.

Daniel Is right. I can't compare to iracing,never tryed it,but Acc is just bad.

His review of RacRoom would be him showing you how to uninstall XD

the last thing we need is an iRacing shill reviewing other sims he neveer really played... waste of time...

@@lupo_aim Minus that whole thing of him actually being a seated team driver in GT3 cars IRL. Calling a Pro GT Driver a iRacing shill is hilarious.

@@_antwonTT6 I can show you real GT3 drivers that are training on ACC and say its quite realistic. He just doesnt want to like it. I mean, he doesnt have to, but this is not a review at all.

@@lupo_aim I can also show you the ACC GTWC Events that were held on ACC with Current Roster drivers during the Covid season who literally got up and walked away mid race because of how much everything they do IRL does not translate to this game. Again, You calling him a schill is a little off the mark fam. Everyone has a preference. He didnt go the GamerMuscle route where he shits on every single thing about that game. He gave real life experience into his opinion and somehow that touched a nerve with you.

I will get to it in my off-season

Thanks a lot. I’m sure I can sort something out like that for you if you join my discord. I would only be able to send you a picture there. I’m currently away from mysim, but I will be back in two weeks.

There is no elastokinematic toe deflection in ACC. Toe also cannot change due to tire flex, generally toe changes are due to the wheel rim and wheel assembly flexing. Tire flex has a different interaction in transients called relaxation length, which is simulated. FWIW ACC and AC have too much relaxation length at low slip angles leading to too much steering delay. ACC also probably has just too high values for the parameters too.

Pretty sure Aris talks about toe deflection for the 1.9 update.

@@tqracing I don't think that is what he was talking about, but you're free to find the timestamp so I can listen to it.

Agree. ACC looks great and the tires have great depth of feeling but in iRacing the car feels much more connected to the road.

Amen to this!

While your point still stands I’d say this. Keep in mind this is also just one racing drivers opinion. Plenty of other racing drivers on KZfaq who have a different opinion than his with ACC. Ones who took the time with it like he did with iRacing. Keep in mind Daniel himself had his biases against it before he tried it and admitted himself he didn’t give it enough time. He even says that here. He, like us and other racing drivers, has his own preferences . We also fine tune audio and control settings. It really sounds like he hasn’t figured this out even though he does this with iracing .

​@roewedge maybe he does this because he is looking for a true to realism of the car he is racing. It's clear to me acc does not do this. He states it multiple times, his chanel, specifically when reviewing racing titles looks at it from a real world view of that specific car. I don't know what more you could ask for. Yes, fine tunning is important to extract lap time and feeling to an extent, but it's very clear acc does not resemble the real thing. It should be a relatively fast adjustment period to figure out. You don't need to spend that much time to tell if it resembles the real thing, iracing appears to be more similar hence the amount of time he spends on that sim platform. Just my opinion..

@@robertulrich7150 The problem is he went into it already knowing he wasn't going to like the game. He's highly affiliated with iRacing even if he wants to say he isn't. He is biased as heck. His first time he was playing the game with all the assists on while complaining. You can't spend days or even months fine tuning your setup for one game and then turn around and spend an hour or two on another without fine tuning and have an honest and valid opinion. I've seen plenty of other real life GT3 drivers say the complete opposite of what he's saying. He can have his opinion but people shouldn't take it as fact because he's a GT3 driver in real life, which seems like he wants people to do. Especially when he's heavily invested and plays iRacing and has his setup fine tuned for it. I do like a lot of his content, I'm not trying to shit on him but when it comes to the reviews on ACC, it just seems like he wants to stir up controversy to get more attention on his channel.

@TurncoatTony I don't know, man.... I've heard this same conversation a hundred times. I've jumped back and forth on both and they feel pretty different. I'm also a no life porsche gt3/4 guy as well. However, I do race other cars/series here and there. The fact is no game/simulator is going to be 1/1 to a specific car unless it was built to the specs of that car/track. My question is, what creates realism in terms of replicating a similar driving experience. I've driven both for a long time and had many conversations with IRL drivers in all sorts of classes. My results from asking is most prefer iracing mainly due to the way the brake Is applied in the late phase. (Not car specific) In my opinion, the braking model is probably one of the most important aspects. Yes it's not the only thing, but to me that's the most important. I don't just use the sim to race online, I use it to practice and translate to the track. I think either one of these sims will help do that. However, in my opinion from conversation of non affiliated KZfaqrs to iracing/acc, seems like iracing is slightly ahead. I've asked many of the same questions to many current and past drivers, not because it's who's right or wrong but for choosing the right path to invest time to practice and enjoy.

Thanks Dave. I’m sure it’s a super complicated process in getting it right. I have a lot of respect for devs but if they want to improve a simulation game, just ask the drivers. I’m happy to help. Not here to bash but just want it be right if it’s called a “sim”

I noticed this after the 1.9 update.. I had to stop racing entirely on the game while they fixed it. Before I could throw the car around a corner and it felt like I was actually touching the pavement but then after the update it's like a boat turning on water how it keeps drifting sideways. Although since the hotfixes on the 21st I almost don't feel it at all.

It’s fun to play through the game

I try not to spend too much time in the grass. It’s not something I try to do on a regular basis, but what I can say is that every grass area is different in real life. Sometimes it’s very slippery. VIR is insanely slippery. Ask me how I know lol. Some other places are not too bad but you definitely don’t wanna run through the grass.

@@danielmorad He he, me too, but some times you don't have options.

That sounds like a great idea. Due to how hectic my race season is through August, September, and October, I will have to reserve this for after my racing season, but I will definitely do it.

My pleasure

I’m totally open to optimizing the game and trying it again. I’m not here to bash anybody in particular or anyone. I just gave my honest feedback about what I thought as a real life driver who drives the exact same car in real life. In fact, I am actually in the video game. That should make anybody want to play it.

@@danielmorad Your unbiased feedback came through loud and clear for me...there will always be biased fanboys though. But you know this. So many other interesting topics for you to explore through your unique lens. Let's go!

I hear alot of people still say it is the best in FFB department.

By far one of the best in the FBB area. Unfortunately, the online platform is so bad that you can only play it against the AI

Yes Daniel, try out RF2, but in order to get the best combination of the sim, try it with a BTCC car and ONLY drive a DLC track!

Fake news, online rf2 race on leagues are just perfect, just miss a multiplayer and rating. LFM is intresting too, and s397’is working on a new compétition system. I ve been playing rf2 online race since 1 year without issues

true! if they make their braking to be similar to iracing, that would be amazing

I also drive in raceroom, i love the amount of cars / tracks that are available in that sim

Same. I have no idea how to drive in ACC anymore. Everything feels off

While I agree iRacing feels better I can't get over the pricing model to actually switch.

@@ETKAE That makes sense. I'm glad that ACC offers a variety of cars/tracks/dlc at a fair price. It just means that many racers get to experience awesome racing at various price points. That's definitely a win.

I really like the way you put this. And I totally agree that there is space for everybody to enjoy, which ever game they like. I don’t understand why there is so much hostility. My opinion is at the end of the day, my opinion. I drove the car in real life. I can share what I feel, but it doesn’t mean that it’s not fun for others to enjoy. I feel like there’s a sense of tribalism with this. I can see in some of the comments that people are very angry. It’s like they want me to say it’s good just for them to enjoy it.

@@danielmorad Jup... I'm part of a big german sim racing community as a moderator, following one of the fastest ACC drivers and I already got DMs like "you gotta see this, Morad is roasting ACC!". And I am like "yeah, well, not roasting maybe, but I see it almost exactly his way, I think iRacing is far more relatable on how the cars are feeling", and many of our longterm community members know my opinion, that I had my problems with ACC when I dipped my toes deeper into sims like iRacing and rFactor 2. And I am far away from being a real life racedriver, I don't know if I could go anyway near as fast on a track like in the virtual world without sh***ing my pants, lol. And like you said, the tyre model is great on ACC. rFactor 2 was said to have the best tyre model, but I think it's too punishing concerning flat spots... makes you better and more precise on your braking foot, yes, but one time braking a little too hard and your tyres are imediately turning into cubes =). And... your opinion is your's, people should deal with it and calm down. There are real world race drivers who really put some time into ACC, but some of them are formula drivers or are seated in other cars like Porsche or Audi, maybe those feel closer to the real thing on ACC, than the AMG. I have one suggestion for you, Dan: Maybe try the Porsche 992 GT3 Cup and the AMG GT4, if you haven't. Braking still feels different then on iRacing, but you can't smash the brake like on GT3s. And another suggestion concerning Force Feedback: I don't drive with a Simucube wheelbase, but very similar in strength and FFB performance, and I think you might have too much damping on it. I remember you prefer a dampened FFB because it feels more realistic (even as a non-racing car driver I know that you don't feel road texture in your wheel, but with your butt and if you have one foot off the pedals, so again I agree with you, haha). I run with 10% damping because I use a tactile transducer on my seat, but I still feel exactly when grip loss occurs.

You are 100% right. It isn’t the best game for immersion but it is fun. It’s tricky at times because of the way you have to drive it, and no doubt requires a lot of skill at the higher level.

Simulators should be evaluated on realism, accuracy and representation, it is simple. Calling something a game does not excuse its shortcomings in relation to other games that do those things better. That comparison is the point here.

@@SvalbardSleeperDistrictou could easily make a video like this on iracing as well. There is a lot of things wrong (tyre model fi) and not realistic there either. Just other stuff. Let’s face it not a single simulator is realistic, There is plenty of real life drivers who find acc the most realistic so it is also a matter of preference and what you are used to in the end.

@@daviddanser8011 Even if we assume that this overly vague framing is accurate, that does not change anything in the point I was making in my reply to the original comment. I wasn't even suggesting any specific sim is more realistic than another.

@@SvalbardSleeperDistrict It's a game, for the others please buy a GT3 car. Maybe, maybe Dallara, Ferrari simulators are somehow closer to something. For sure though, if a game doesn't load, doesn't look pretty, isn't stable, it's affordable, there's no reason to play it. I'm having a hard time understanding how people that don't drive GT3 or run Ferrari's simulator or similar are expecting these things to be realistic.

@@zzmadd Ok buddy, if all you can do is repeat the same nondescript, contentless, vague line of "it's a game" and refuse to recognise difference between arcade and simulation, and degrees of quality of realism between different simulations/simcades, I cannot help you further. Play Mario Kart and tell yourself it's the same as iRacing/ACC/rFactor/etc because they are all "games".

After the racing season is over in real life, I will start to explore other simulators

@@danielmorad Great I'm really looking forward to your experiences with Automobilista 2 !

Lol go back to playing arcade games like gt7 then 😂

So I take it you've never tried to stop a real car from high spped into a corner. It's not supposed to be that skittish on the back end.

@@booost420 I get the feeling you didn't watch the video.

@@drkwsherrill it's skittish depending on your setup.

@@bmwm3man Yes, I understand tha because that's the subject of Daniel's video (that you appear not to have watched).

Tyre walls flexes different with different pressures and carcass of the tyre

I’ll try it after my race season :)

I mean iracing is a sim and acc is a game

Is it more realistic?

@@alex_lll IMO it’s more realistic. I use to play ACC for hours 3 to 4 times a week. I use to be a die hard ACC player. This includes the 1.9 update.

@@Bmoncrief thanks, and while we're at it - how does RF2 compare to both of them?

@@alex_lll that’s great question. I have RF2 but I haven’t spent much time with it. I might load it up and play it tonight.

That’s awesome. I’ll check him out :)