MY Id.3 can be more expensive for me on short winter trips than some Ice cars ;)

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@IrenESorius
@IrenESorius 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your work, time, effort and your cool positive attitude. Love your channel. Cheers from Sweden. 🍻😋👍‍‍
@keithgeorge7338
@keithgeorge7338 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting vid. In the U.K. it cost £1.20 for the same journey on renewable electricity. So an EV is a quarter the cost in winter and 10% the cost of an ICE in the summer. Your country is doing something wrong somewhere, or ripping you off. Love my EV.
@kevinkeelan354
@kevinkeelan354 3 жыл бұрын
Nonsense. Many Id3 pro’s being rejected in the U.K. for 50 miles on full charge in winter.
@Gresteh
@Gresteh 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, the ID.3 is not the most efficient car for short distances during winter, I’ve experienced it myself, preheating takes a lot of energy you your car is not at a nice temperature. The building where I live has an underground garage, so the average temperature is not horrible during winter, but if the outside is really cold(below 0) it can drop to 5c… if I want to preheat the car I’ll use a lot of energy, If I don’t preheat it the car will use that energy just to heat up the battery, but instead of doing it before I leave for work it will do it while I drive. From my experience, if the outside temperature is above 10c or so my commute will use less than 15kwh/100km (about 30km per day, mixed driving, both highway and city driving, but mostly highway, as long as I don’t use heating), under 9c it will be higher, up to 18kwh/100km… but if the temperature drops below 0 the same commute can be as high as 23-24kwh/100km (with heating). Most of the difference will go to heat up the battery, as the consumption is really high the first minutes, after a while consumption drops like a rock, the first minutes it can be as high as 30-40kwh/100km even at low speeds, but once the battery is hot (it usually takes less than 10m) consumption will be much better. VW needs to improve that, perhaps the target temperature is way too high, or they can heat up the battery slowly… in any case they have to find a way to improve winter consumption, i’m certain that they will manage to find a way.
@CabrioDriving
@CabrioDriving 3 жыл бұрын
Great setup with camera. Perfect framing for us.
@BlueBladeAnime
@BlueBladeAnime 3 жыл бұрын
Good observations/comparison. I have found that in cold temperatures it takes longer to charge the battery. This is a pain for me as I try to charge for free at the supermarket where parking is limited to 2 hours! Ha ha. I also agree that a heated steering wheel is wonderful. After working outdoors in wind/rain all day I find this a welcome luxury.
@josepablomolinacarrillo3621
@josepablomolinacarrillo3621 3 жыл бұрын
Hi all! In Ireland that same journey will cost you 2 euros. 8 Euro cent per Kwh off peak energy rate. I am also with a 100% renewable energy supplier.
@15bit62
@15bit62 3 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of people fail to understand the energy requirements for an EV in winter. I have exactly the same "problem" with a 2021 Model 3 (with heat pump) - Pre-heating also heats the battery, and as i'm also doing only short trips right now i am using more energy heating than actually driving. Our temperatures are lower here though: -5 to -15C. Interestingly, Tesla only seem to use the energy used whilst driving in the efficiency number the car quotes. The energy used pre-heating is not used in any calculations, so i have a big difference between what the car thinks is the lifetime efficiency and the calculation of energy_charged / km_driven.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thanks.
@ronaldjanssen105
@ronaldjanssen105 3 жыл бұрын
Of course it only shows the kWh used during driving. It's a trip meter. Only counts the trip. So the energy used for heating is counted, not the pre-heating part.
@ginolagace473
@ginolagace473 3 жыл бұрын
Another good video, surprise to see this, i like so much my Kona 64Kw.
@adamwalker1504
@adamwalker1504 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, that is expensive for electricity! In the UK there are lots of night rate options, 5p/kWh for 4 hours 00:30-4:30. Tesla also have a special rate of 11p all day if you have a powerwall and if you have a powerwall and a Tesla ev it’s 8p/kWh all day every day.
@zilfondel
@zilfondel 3 жыл бұрын
I pay $.077 per KWhr in the US. Thank goodness for cheap hydro and wind!
@Tom55data
@Tom55data 3 жыл бұрын
In the UK we can get very cheap electric that is 5p/unit at night. Which means that in summer I pay about 1p/mile to run my car, in winter I get about 1.2-1.3p/mile - mine does not have a heat pump. This compares to 10p/mile cost for a VW Passat that did about 60mpg in summer, and 50mpg in winter. So it is much cheaper to run an EV in the UK even in winter. I totally agree about getting the car warm - even if just jump in, it is warm in 1 minute, but preheating is wonderful - since we have cheap electric at night it is 3x cheaper to preheat on battery in the morning when it is normal rate (15p/unit). My T-M3 has very hot seat heaters on level 3 you cannot leave them at that level without cooking.
@marcusevjourney566
@marcusevjourney566 3 жыл бұрын
Great video 👍 In Portugal I pay 0.18 € for renewable energy, I could go on bi-hours and pay 0.12 € but that does not work for me. I have solar panels so I pay less in reality.
@o00scorpion00o
@o00scorpion00o 3 жыл бұрын
My i3 is the same with the heating, when it warms up it’s as if the heat just switches off so I turn it to 23 degrees and it’s fine, my 2015 leaf was the same and also the 28 kWh ioniq. When it’s cold enough the battery has to be heated to prevent damage. Electricity here in Ireland is 7.4 cent per KWh from 11 pm - 8am. A lot cheaper than any diesel to drive ev. :-) Ev makers absolutely need to include a function where the driver controls whether the battery heats for fast charging on DC. 2021 and still crap charging speeds in winter.
@DerBlauzahn
@DerBlauzahn 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really disappointed at temperatures below 8°C. My average consumption is due to the battery heater and not really sophisticated heating-solution at all now 38 kWh for my 16 km commute. That means only 150 km of range 100-0%. For comparison: My "german bratwurst wagon" e-tron "only" consumes 29 kWh for this short trip. IONIQ did it with 21 kWh. I hope, VW will fix it soon. Heatpump will not really help for this special situation.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, On a 16km commute it is even worse.
@NicoSteinacker
@NicoSteinacker 3 жыл бұрын
The only positive thing about COVID. My commute is now 0 miles. I have to find a reason to drive my Ioniq. Today I went shopping to Lidl and charged it from 50 to 75 there while shopping. I probably won’t need to charge the next two weeks if the lockdown stays active. I‘d prefer to charge and be able to drive around again.
@DerBlauzahn
@DerBlauzahn 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife That means for my commute *24 kWh* only for heating, 14 kWh (average per 100 km) for driving!
@CraftyStorm
@CraftyStorm 3 жыл бұрын
O wait, 38 kWh/100km on a 16 km trip, not 38 kWh/16 km, that would be 2375 wh/km lol
@bilgyno1
@bilgyno1 3 жыл бұрын
The really short drive is a kind of worst case for the heating consumption. If you drive longer distances, the consumption will go down once the cabin and battery are warm. That will bring down your average consumption and increase your range.
@paulcox4369
@paulcox4369 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting & l must admit surprising! Other commenters have already stated most EV drivers in the UK pay 5p per kWh, which very rough calculation here, is easily less than 0.01€ per km in winter. I do drive with low cabin tempreture 17°C & heated seat/stearing wheel which seems to help consumption & maintain comfort. Totally agree with you on heated stearing wheel, the very best thing l thought l didn't need, they are wonderful.
@digitalmindful
@digitalmindful 3 жыл бұрын
In NL € 0,21-0,22 cents per kWh
@TassieEV
@TassieEV 3 жыл бұрын
Also remember that oil is low at the moment due to the global situation. Once things return I guarantee you'll see prices at the pump return to pre-covid levels here in Australia it's about $1.22/L now but pre-covid it was about $1.50/L and I am seeing prices starting to climb slowly again. Maybe do the comparison to pre-covid fuel prices Chris and see if any difference.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
so then the ice car is even cheaper?
@isoProxanol
@isoProxanol 3 жыл бұрын
then the ice car would be more expensive. The gas prices in Germany were pretty low as well but due to new taxation they rose slightly, we'll see how it develops in the future
@TassieEV
@TassieEV 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife Unsure what you mean if fossil fuels go up in price then the ICE becomes more expensive to run and your ID.3 is then cheaper than the ICE.
@danielardelian2
@danielardelian2 3 жыл бұрын
Another thing to note is that the current software versions including 0783 will not heat the battery with AC power, even if the car is connected to an AC Wallbox. It will draw power from the battery as soon as you turn "ignition" on. Some say this is a software bug, I think it's intentionally disabled due to some compatibility problems with some wallboxes. Maybe they didn't have enough time to make it work well with the many types of wallboxes out there in the world. The battery heater takes a lot of power, 6 kW, and the wallbox might not offer that much power...Technically it shouldn't be too difficult to take all the power you can from the wallbox and supplement with the rest from the battery, but who knows what technical limitations there may be...
@glockmanish
@glockmanish 3 жыл бұрын
Electrically there is no such thing as "taking power from the battery" or "taking power from the wallbox". The heater is a high-voltage-device which ALWAYS gets it's power from the battery purely because of its operating voltage. The interesting thing is whether the AC-Onboard-Charger is aware of the power drain and (re)starts charging. So it is purely a "software-thing". I would guess that the BMS and the AC-Charger are two discrete devices (maybe even from different suppliers?) and also guess that the BMS is actually responsible for switching the battery heater. So the BMS has to share the information about the battery heater consumption and the charger has to actually charge at the rate of the heater consumtion to keep the SoC. Maybe VW didn't do that for the sake of compatibility with billing. Once it signalled to stop charging it doesn't restart because it could cost you blocking fees or high charging cost due to time-based tarifs. So they might want to reliably detect that you are in a home charging environment before doing "opportunistic charging" or make it a configurable.
@SchwertKruemel
@SchwertKruemel 3 жыл бұрын
wallboxes are really just dumb high voltage light switch
@MegaCommissar
@MegaCommissar 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I have, in my M3, also noticed that my consumption has gone up this winter, especially the shorter trips, where the preheating becomes a big part of the total consumption. But I like the comfort. My neighbours, with diesel cars, also want this comfort, do they idle their cars for 15 minutes before they leave. I guess they will take a similar hit to their consumption.
@davetravels9273
@davetravels9273 3 жыл бұрын
For my ICE Volvo and VW, I can adjust the temperature of the heated seats using the software (VIDA for Volvo & VCDS for VW). I just had a quick search, and other VW owners have used OBDeleven to also adjust their heated seat temperatures. Not sure if you can do this on the ID models yet but you can explore under HVAC, something with seat heater current level consumption... If not, you can tell the dealer to increase the temperatures the next time you bring Walter in. 😉
@davidsworld5837
@davidsworld5837 3 жыл бұрын
this morning i went out to frozen windows so i had to just put on the heating in no time all windows were clear there is no way that my old petrol car would have been any were near clearing the window as having to wait for engine to heat up. I went past a petrol station today £1.20 a litre just a few week ago it was at £1.06 they are clawing back lost income by rising prices to make up the losses. i hate these profiteering companies.
@JohnnyCacheX
@JohnnyCacheX 3 жыл бұрын
Heating the battery is a real pain in the ass if you only drive a short distance to the train station like I do. With just 10km a day the battery is pretty much heated just for fun and with absolutely no benefit at all. With a max speed of 70km/h and most of the driving in the city a consumption of 35kWh/100km is just abysmal. That's a range of 165km if the battery was charged to 100%!
@JohnnyCacheX
@JohnnyCacheX 3 жыл бұрын
@@AlanTov I highly doubt it at least in my case. The battery is stressed with almost twice the load, but never gets the benefit of actually being warm while I drive. As far as I'm concerned this feature has to be disabled at least optionally. Having more than twice the advertised consumption in the winter could be a reason for me to switch back to an ICE engine...
@MeinCreep
@MeinCreep 3 жыл бұрын
My heated seats in the ID3 are actually getting warmer than in my Passat 🤷‍♂️. The Problem with the cold air I have only when I set the temperature to a higher setpoint and lower it afterwards. I actually set the temperature only to 19.5 in my ID3 without changing at all and I am totally fine with that while I always need 21.5 in every other car.
@yvs6663
@yvs6663 3 жыл бұрын
that coz Germany went silly and canceled all the nuclear power production. we have 40% of power from nuclear and price for 1kWh is 0,04€ at night. heck, the fast charger network we have charges 0.2€/min which would mean 0.27€ per kWh if the car averages 45kW.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
My price for electricity was always high even before that. It got down in the last few years. And the people have spoking, no nuclear waste please.
@adrianguggisberg3656
@adrianguggisberg3656 3 жыл бұрын
Duh... Nuclear power is by far the most expensive source of energy. You just think it's inexpensive, because taxpayer money will have to take care of the bill for a few thousand years. Effectively, you're stealing from future generations.
@Mikel-wx4fy
@Mikel-wx4fy 3 жыл бұрын
I like the steering wheel heating also.
@fjalics
@fjalics 3 жыл бұрын
One of the things that should be worked on, is making renewable electricity cheap when it's plentiful. So if it's windy in the north, and you have lot's of wind power, it should be cheap to charge. If the winds die down, the price should go up.
@CyAn-S
@CyAn-S 3 жыл бұрын
Brw random tip for you. You can add different widget layouts on the home screens. Just longpress on any widget. There is a special widget layout where you can add Android Auto as a widget. So it doesn't always have to be full screen. Strangely the widget is only available at the right-most page of the infotainment menu.
@mario_supermd6504
@mario_supermd6504 3 жыл бұрын
Whoa that’s a lot of KWh! Just for the driving i use 10 to 12KWh in order to make 70Km daily. Those are including highways, hills, and extra-urban roads with runabouts. I have a M3 with heatpump. Batterywise in total i start from 85% and arrive with 65%
@gelisob
@gelisob 3 жыл бұрын
His No-heatpump situation is a big player here. If you live in a country where snow happens - you should definitely not buy a car without heatpump. Unless you are a big spender and dont care about the extra cost and reduced range due to more battery going into cabin heat. Heatpump will easily reduce heating energy usage by 30%. There's nothing much to do about about Id.3 really. This video is about no-heatpump and high electricity price in germany i think :) He's paying 24 sents, per kwh, compare that to my offpeak grid price of 5-8 sents often. No gas car will ever compete with that. Germany kinda dug themselves into a bad spot, letting uneducated politicians close down their nuclear power stations and put up coal ones that kill more and pollute more. And now people are paying mad electricity prices, uh uh :) Time to put up rooftop solar!
@JPetr94
@JPetr94 3 жыл бұрын
4:16 love it 🔨🤟 😁
@DarkoMakreshanski
@DarkoMakreshanski 3 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison! What would be your ID.3’s consumption if you don’t preheat the car before driving?
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Consumption is almost the same. Only if you turn off climate the battery heater turns off as well. Sometimes ;)
@pieterk4960
@pieterk4960 3 жыл бұрын
Nice info. Currently looking at a lease car for my new job. I think we’re still not up to speed with alternative sources (cobalt use for example). I will need to let go of our good old (2007) V50 5cilinder which is pretty much indestructable with a wonderful engine sound (I am sort of a petrol head🤣). Anyhow the ID3 is on the list for me. The Tesla is too expensive in lease. I don’t like the looks of nearly all electric cars. But I want to compare everything .... so following this channel gives good in depth info. Thanks! PS My main car is a 10 year old (much appreciated) Saab of which the interior heats up (with minus 5 outside temp) in 5 minutes after cold outside start. So your loaner (Fabia) sounds indeed like a bad “cold climate” car 🤣. The butt fryer (heated seat) warms up in 3-5 minutes.
@alexb2082
@alexb2082 3 жыл бұрын
280 Wh/km is the same as 2.22 miles/kWh, which is how my Chevrolet Bolt EV measures it. Just so happens that I'm getting around 2.3 mi/kWh with these -19C or -3F temps in Wisconsin, USA right now. We're in a relatively flat part of the state. Still, the local college has a free solar charger.
@alexb2082
@alexb2082 3 жыл бұрын
With our "petrol" at $2.49 per gallon here and rising, It's going to continue to be cheaper to run my car even with these cold temps. Compared to my ICE Honda Fit (Jazz) getting 36 mpg, the Bolt EV is like paying around $1.60 USD per gal, or you could look at it like 54 miles per gallon
@chemobejk
@chemobejk 3 жыл бұрын
10kW for pre-heating the cabin and the battery? Sounds like the @nextmove heat pump / PTC comparison test was correct. My ID.3 1st Plus (finnish standard package includes heat pump) used about 10kW when it was -14°C outside and I started with a cold car (thanks to ID app failure when setting departure time). I stopped the car and switched off climate control and got ~5.5kW for battery heating. When the cabin is warm and climate control is on auto, the heat pump + fan need about 1.7-1.9kW to keep the cabin at 20-21°C.
@CraftyStorm
@CraftyStorm 3 жыл бұрын
As a Fabia owner I can acknowledge that the Fabia is very efficient ICE car. Also it is a B segment where the ID.3 is a C. Using an Octavia wil be a bit more expensive.
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 3 жыл бұрын
A Fabia will burn petrol/diesel though which is not good these days no matter how efficient it is.
@doniv7926
@doniv7926 3 жыл бұрын
And what about a CNG version of the Octavia??...it will consume 2 kg (for 57 km): 0.83€x2= 1.64€....but I am adding to this 0.5 kg to be sure in the consumption in winter so +0.42€ (0.83€÷2) And that's around 2€...for 57 km... Edit: prizes in Greece In Germany will be around 3,5€ I think
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 3 жыл бұрын
@@doniv7926 CNG is still a fossil fuel so that’s not any better than petrol. Can you make CNG or just get it out of a hole in the ground?
@DarrenWhittington
@DarrenWhittington 3 жыл бұрын
So does factoring in the purchase price, servicing, and any road taxes etc what is the actual value?
@mikaelandersson5630
@mikaelandersson5630 3 жыл бұрын
I drive ID3 as well and I will give you a tip When you drive set the fan to blast att your body directly you will feel the heat it’s way better than auto mode
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I have my wife and 2 dogs in the car. The whole car has to be warm, not just me.
@mikaelandersson5630
@mikaelandersson5630 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife try to blast the fan in the mode to your body it will go to the hole car I love your videos good work :)
@davidhughes9320
@davidhughes9320 2 жыл бұрын
How efficient is the ID.3 if you pre-heat the battery while connected to AC at home? People are saying not to pre-heat, but I am sure if you pre-heat while connected to AC then the car will be a lot more efficient when you start driving than just doing a complete cold start or pre-heating while not connected to the battery? I would have thought the most the power would be used on the initial heating of the cabin and battery, so makes more sense to do that while on AC than getting the battery to do it. I do agree that VW need to improve efficiency in the winter though.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 2 жыл бұрын
Preheating has nothing to do with efficiency. It just does the heating up before driving. Then only maintaining the temp is needed. If you do it plugged in or not just changes your SOC. Important though: right now the battery heater does not engage while plugged in. This will change with software 3.0
@anderspersson6134
@anderspersson6134 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting topic Chris! It has to be said, in most European cases the EV is cheaper than the ICE If charged at home. Ok so Chris has a consumption of 41 kWh per 100 km.. That's insane. Commute more than 100 km in Swedish winter and have roughly 21 kWh/100 km. Speed? Heat pump? Who knows. Electricity in Germany and Denmark are the highest in Europe. So Chris's trip w a Swedish driver:) and Swedish power is roughly 25-30% of Battery Life's cost. Dont let thes numbers put you off EVs!!!!
@tymanot
@tymanot 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Video. Although we have solar on the roof it obviously does not help too much during these cold not very sunny times. Electricity or rather all the taxes on it are too expensive in Germany. And fuel still too cheap.
@karl-heinzoehling483
@karl-heinzoehling483 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, I totally agree that the battery heater causes an insane amount of power consumption. My typical driving cycle from the underground car park with approx. 5°C, subsequent battery heating with 5-7kW for approx. 7min on a driving distance of approx. 5km results in a power consumption of 30-35kWh/100km. Without battery heating, the power consumption for the same distance back is approx. 18kWh/100km. Can you forward your questions to VW through your VW contacts? Nobody from the VW experts reacts via the First Mover Club.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
They are working on it.
@karl-heinzoehling483
@karl-heinzoehling483 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife Will there be a solution for this with ME2.1?
@manuelg8050
@manuelg8050 3 жыл бұрын
Is Walther parked outside? My car parks in an underground garage, so even in winter it has 5-6°C when I start it.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Garage at home, outside at work.
@manuelg8050
@manuelg8050 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife So it does not need to warm up so much :) I for my part can't have the seatheating on in my Polo GTI for longer then 2 minutes, then my bottom feels "well done". But the heating is really good, after about 200m driving (+ leaving the underground garage), the air, that is blown out of the vents allready gets warm, So I don't really freeze in my ICE car. :)
@itekani
@itekani 3 жыл бұрын
I see no big need to pre-heating if there is no ice on the windows. The heat comes on so fast in an EV that it's not an issue for me. But heated steering wheel is a killer feature for sure, I wish I had that. You should get a bit better milage when pre-heating the battery though. More losses when driving off with cold battery, I mean.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Without preheating. The battery geater kicks in while driving.
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t preheat if only going to the shops but I do if going further as it’s better for the battery and regen.
@kevinkeelan354
@kevinkeelan354 3 жыл бұрын
In the U.K., doing short journeys in winter. It would be cheaper to run a Dodge Ram with flat tyres. People are reporting 50 miles on a full charge.
@jdnrotterdam2150
@jdnrotterdam2150 3 жыл бұрын
I drive one of the most hated cars on the planet. The 2012 Toyota Prius the reason most people hated it is because it looks different than other cars. Today i came home from work. And for the first time i saw a VW ID3 parked in my street. I was like oh wauw! An ID3! So I parked my prius next to it. And checked the ID3 and was thinking i would love to own this car. ( i also want to go to 100% electric) so i walked a way and turned around to compare my prius and the the id3. And in my eyes the id3 looks even weirder than my prius! My prius looks like a normal car next to the id3! But nobody would ever hate on the id3 like they did with the prius. Still i would love to have a id3 because i love weird
@jdnrotterdam2150
@jdnrotterdam2150 3 жыл бұрын
About about costs i had the same with a 2016 leaf 30kwh. And my 2012 toyota prius hybrid. Because i onlt can charge public and not at home the leaf had a higher cost of charging than the prius with buying gasoline!
@NicoSteinacker
@NicoSteinacker 3 жыл бұрын
Prius is a great car. If I didn’t want to go full electric I’d still drive the Prius. The Ioniq is a 1:1 copy of the Prius without the gasoline part.
@jdnrotterdam2150
@jdnrotterdam2150 3 жыл бұрын
Yes the ionic electric is also a dream car. The prius doing great i already drove 190.000 km with it. Never had any high costs or problems. Just the normal yearly maintain. But for me it’s time to make the next step. The EV world and the technology is so interesting. I wish that the car brands already stop making fossil engines and starting with only electro motors. And not wait for 2030.
@timmurphy5541
@timmurphy5541 3 жыл бұрын
I generally feel that the economics of solar panels are very poor in the UK - but for you they might work a bit better except that your car is at work all day. I wonder if there is any way to make your garage slightly warmer so that the preheat is a little less draining?
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I rent, not possible.
@mvteh
@mvteh 3 жыл бұрын
If you set the charging timer to 5:30, would that warm up the battery enough to reduce energy consumption for pre-heating at 6:30?
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
No. 11kW does not warm up the battery enough. And right now the battery heater only works with DC charging.
@mvteh
@mvteh 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife Too bad. I guess VW should (a) provide the option to pre-heat the cabin only and (b) limit battery heating when you navigate to a destination within for example 50km. Before the pandemic, most people used their SatNav even on regular commutes to avoid traffic jams, etc. Coupling the battery pre-heating level to destination would be easy to include in software updates.
@humtidumty1
@humtidumty1 3 жыл бұрын
How would the case be when you woud not preheat the vw? Or, how would the fabia do when preheat it?
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
The cabin is cold, battery will still be heated while driving.
@richardthegreat
@richardthegreat 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Electricity is expensive in Germany! Also, are you considering charging losses? If I use 20kWh of battery I may use 23kWh when charging back to full. In Ireland with my Leaf 40kWh at the moment I’m using about 29kWh/100km (charge amount not battery drain) I do the worst kind of driving though, short trips ~20km, heavy load (family) and pre-heating. If I charge during the day it costs about €4.50/100km (€0.1531/kWh) and at night €2.21/100km (€0.0758). My previous ICE was about €7.80/100km. We’re obviously luckier with electricity prices here (don’t worry they screw us over in many other ways 😂) but as you said it’s still much better driving an EV than an ICE and even if costs went up we still save elsewhere and have amazing acceleration 😁
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
True, then it is even more expensive.
@peterdelage6759
@peterdelage6759 3 жыл бұрын
To my knowlage, Tesla is also heating the battery when preheating the car and if you dont preheat the car it will be heated while driving and consumption will be high on short distance
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
But not that high, right?
@Wipex4all
@Wipex4all 3 жыл бұрын
The current EV's are excellent for using around town and for commuting 20-30 km,In rest are irrelevant,you need to constantly to drive carrefuly to keeping it in ideal conditions and plug-in every 2-3 days.I drove the ID3 for a couple of days and if i droved it like an ICE car(speed 130 km/h, full heating,overtaking,heavy accelerating/braking) the range was 150 km,started with 300 km and drove 60 km,if droved like an EV(speed 80-90 km/h,heating from time to time,light on the acceleration/braking the range was 260 km in same condition.
@bilgyno1
@bilgyno1 3 жыл бұрын
57 km with a petrol car in winter will use at least 3.5 litres (6 litres per 100 km) x 1,75 per litre = > €6,12. But that's with the petrol prices in Holland... Germany should also just increase the tax on petrol and your problem will be solved 😁😁😁 (and electricity is also a bit cheaper here).
@manuelg8050
@manuelg8050 3 жыл бұрын
The taxes on petrol are high in germany. But also on electricity :D
@electricwhirl5175
@electricwhirl5175 3 жыл бұрын
Does it really is only 0.25€/kWh? In all EU there are now distribution costs, service costs etc. So if I divide total sum of bill by kWh used,the price is around 0.35. The second thing is for trips, when you charge on highway at 0.79€/kWh for my Mii it costs more than 10€/100km, wiyh Ibiza I can get around 7-8€. EV is cheap when homecharging with offpeak tariffs.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly we don't have offpeak rates.
@fredrikdahlinwinscher8881
@fredrikdahlinwinscher8881 3 жыл бұрын
You really need to understand how the clima works. if you do as you do like set temp to 23-24 and turn off the "auto" and set the fan fixed and fix the air direction, it cant regulate the temperature to your setting. It sets the outgoing air temp from the system to your setting (23-24)but it cant regulate neither the fan or the air flow direction. Then the temp sensors in the cabin wont get a regulated air flow thats accurate for the complete cabin because you fixed the air flow and the fan. So depending on what air that eventually hits the temp sensor, it tries to regulate the outgoing air temp from the systems so that its according to you setting (23-24) and its going to be wery rough if cold air hits the sensor it might turn it to 27 to compensate, and if then the 27 air hits the sensor it might turn it to 19. Leave it in auto!! Then it will turn up the heat and the fan high, then it will direct the air flow all around so the temp will be even in cabin. Then when the sensor notice that its close to (23-24, what ever) it lowers the temp and the fan untill it reaches the setting. then if the sun comes out it lower the temp, or if you run in the shade or in a place where its colder outside it rice the temp and increse the fan. you cant beat the auto setting by setting it manually. of course you will feel cold at times and feel the cold wind. you disabeld the regulation functions by swith of the auto. and use the ac you breath is full of humidity and it will help removing the inside moist.
@andreidavid2185
@andreidavid2185 3 жыл бұрын
Although I agree ID 3 could be more efficient in winter, I think the elephant in the room is the cheap fossil fuel. If you would pay for the environmental impact of gasoline (say via a CO2 tax), then your EV will clearly be cheap to operate.
@ewanoneill1011
@ewanoneill1011 3 жыл бұрын
When you feel the cold air once the thermostat activates, is your setting on fresh air or recirculate? I suspect the former. You may be pulling in unheated air from outside. Recirculate setting may solve this problem. I really enjoy your reviews and laid back style. I live in Cairns, Australia, so I don't need a heater or heated steering wheel.😉
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 3 жыл бұрын
Recirculate will cause the car to steam up. Fresh air is better but will need more energy to heat up the cold air.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I want fresh air in the car.
@Gresteh
@Gresteh 3 жыл бұрын
Recirculation will save a little energy, but the main culprit of this high consumption is not the heating of the cabin, it's heating the batteries, certainly, heating the cabin will use a lot of energy, but even with heating off the car will use a lot of energy to heat up the battery. As i've mentioned in another comment, i've experienced it, if the car is parked outside and the temperature is under 8ºC or so the car will use way more energy during my commute than usual even with heating off, for a "short" trip of a couple of km the consumption can be huge, but the longer the trip the better as the battery will stop heating once it reaches a certain temperature.... In my experience the first minutes will have very high consumptions and that consumption will drop after a while to "normal" levels. In the last few days here in spain we have had fairly benign temperatures, 9-13ºC, so my consumption in my average commute has dropped, but a few days ago the temperature was a little lower 7ºC or so, and that day my consumption was at least 15%-20% higher than a couple of days later when the temperature was 12ºC...in both cases i drove at the speed limit and with without heating... with 13ºC i used about 15kwh/100km, at 7ºC i used 17-18kwh/100km for the same trip.
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife Me too. Recirculation is for tunnels so I can avoid the emissions of ICE vehicles.
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gresteh I think a lot of early Leaf and Zoe drivers would disagree. Their car’s range would drop a lot in winter due to the cabin heater.
@diapason87
@diapason87 3 жыл бұрын
Are you sure you calculated correctly your price per kWh? In Italy it can be easily mistaken, since we pay a fixed amount every month, not depending on the consumption, and then a variable amount which is priced per kWh. In this way, if you calculate the average price per kWh of a typical household it is around 0.20€/kWh, but the marginal cost of a kWh is only around 0.10€/kWh. To calculate the cost of charging your car you then need to use the marginal cost, not the total one which includes the fixed component. Not sure how it is in Germany though... ;)
@acetobalsamico1589
@acetobalsamico1589 3 жыл бұрын
25 Cent/kWh is a even cheaper price for renewable energy in Germany. And it is the variable part for consumption only. I have to pay 27 at day, 24 at night and on sunday. 🙈 Now solar roof is producing energy - today i charged 10kWh for „free“.
@diapason87
@diapason87 3 жыл бұрын
@@acetobalsamico1589 This is nuts! In Italy I have certified renewable energy for around 0.10€/kWh...
@pauldarlington9157
@pauldarlington9157 3 жыл бұрын
This mirrors our experience and I love the heating steering wheel. On another issue our ID3 alarm keeps going of and the charging lead will not always release. It with VW at the moment and they rang me tonight to say it is related to the latest software but that it the only fix is to wait till the final software is available. They can’t tell me when this will be! Very poor and no sign of any compensation from VW. Can’t help thinking should have bought a Model 3!
@Suar32
@Suar32 3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't the ID.3 have an option to enable auxiliary heater? I thought that was for preconditioning the battery. Renewable energy is cheaper to produce and also should be cheaper to customers, in a way you're subsidizing the fossil fuel based energy by making it cheaper and incentivizing people to choose the later option since it will save them money
@tenzenzoma
@tenzenzoma 3 жыл бұрын
Wie viel Tage kannst/könntest du fahren ohne nach zu laden?
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
2,5 bis 3
@tenzenzoma
@tenzenzoma 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife OK danke, das ist ein wenig entäuschend. Ich hoffe mit der finalen Software wird es besser.
@isoProxanol
@isoProxanol 3 жыл бұрын
Die Software wird da leider eher wenig rausreissen, ich fahre täglich 100km (90 davon auf der Autobahn) und muss im Winter so gut wie jeden Tag laden wenn ich zwischen den empfohlenen 40-80 Prozent bleiben will, egal bei welcher Geschwindigkeit
@tomquimby8669
@tomquimby8669 3 жыл бұрын
my ID3 is great, I was one of the first people to put an order in so I could do an ID3 videos before Bjorn did. Being a beta version of the car, the software needs constant rebooting to work vaguely well. the 12 volt battery does not charge properly and leaves you stuck without a functioning car, and I have to keep taking it back to the dealer for him to fix yet another problem VW could not fix before release. In fact it is so unreliable I am forced now to do comparisons with ICE cars as they are the only ones reliable enough for my dealer to loan me. Oh and as a beta tester VW don't pay me.
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 3 жыл бұрын
Ouch. And people say that Tesla are bad. (Obviously not true but a few peoples ‘issues’ seems to cast doubt.)
@digitalmindful
@digitalmindful 3 жыл бұрын
The answer is just like the covid vaccin, next month “Over the air software bugfix updates” are planned for February 2021, right? 🐞
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 3 жыл бұрын
@@digitalmindful The vaccines are here and being used.
@digitalmindful
@digitalmindful 3 жыл бұрын
@@SirHackaL0t. the Netherlands are late 😆
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 3 жыл бұрын
@@digitalmindful lol
@Dralonet
@Dralonet 3 жыл бұрын
Can you preheat when the car isnt plugged in? Doesnt work for me.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I can. You have a one zone climate? This will be possible for you with Me2.1
@Dralonet
@Dralonet 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife yes one zone
@danielkennett7771
@danielkennett7771 3 жыл бұрын
Chris, 23 degree pre-heat and your complaining that the heated seats are not warm enough, seems like its not the car but where you live thats the problem
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
The seatheater in the Skoda felt better. On the Id.3 I have them on full very long. In the Skoda I had turn them down. 23 degree preheating, heats up the air to that temp. The seats and the rest heat up too , bit not to 23 degrees. Still cold.
@danielkennett7771
@danielkennett7771 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife Your obviously cold blooded like a lizard, you need to move south, but what you loose out in heating you will loose out in AC, even the cold, rain and winter tyres probably impact efficiency in ICE cars
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Good idea. Ac is way less power hungry than heat.
@dominikguz6704
@dominikguz6704 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting test, altho even with your consumption and electricity cost, it looks like very similar cost to 6-7L/100km ->(7x1.2EUR*0.56 = 4.7 which is indeed 20% less) , driving 110km/h for most of the trip, I don't know many ICE that can have this low consumption. But it is true that more cost even with home charging, not to mention fast chargers does not play well for making EVs more popular, petrol tax would need to go up and electricity made cheaper.
@remco6816
@remco6816 3 жыл бұрын
Its weird that gasoline is so cheap while its need so much transport, refining and its extremely ineficient. But home charging for me is extremely cheap to in my opinion i pay les than 10cents a kwh and free at work.
@NicoSteinacker
@NicoSteinacker 3 жыл бұрын
@@remco6816 which country?
@remco6816
@remco6816 3 жыл бұрын
@@NicoSteinacker Sweden plus the price dropped because of the installation of solar on our apartment complex.
@NicoSteinacker
@NicoSteinacker 3 жыл бұрын
@@remco6816 ah, thanks. With Solar it absolutely makes sense!
@digitalmindful
@digitalmindful 3 жыл бұрын
Go solar and/or buy electricity from sun and wind sources, best of both worlds! 24 degrees settings is like a fireplace temperature right? 🥵
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I do have renewable power at home. I rent, cannot have solar. 24 in the morning is just fine. I do not want to be cold.
@digitalmindful
@digitalmindful 3 жыл бұрын
@timemachine_194 wind for sure, solar kWh in winter just enough for standard consumption at home. In summer 3.5 times more kWh than standard consumption.
@dukeoflakeshore5805
@dukeoflakeshore5805 3 жыл бұрын
The price is the one - but what really shocks me, that you practically say the reach of the car is about 100 km!!!!
@superbecx
@superbecx 3 жыл бұрын
It is 100km if you drive short trips and the car gets cold between trips and charge to 80%, If you plan a longer trip and charge to 100% range is between 250 and 300km depending on many factors , elevation and driving stile are most important, but yes for my 4-5 short trips per day , I have to charge every week and the actual ridden km are 100-120 but I do preheat and accelerate hard
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@jean-yvesarbaut9932
@jean-yvesarbaut9932 3 жыл бұрын
It would be nice to have the same test with the heat pump. Hello to Walter ! :)
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I need the new software with that. Heatpump in the Id.3 is,not,working too well right now.
@jean-yvesarbaut9932
@jean-yvesarbaut9932 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife Ok, looking forward... ;)
@Adam-lx4et
@Adam-lx4et 3 жыл бұрын
@timemachine_194 this would be ideal egolf is much more efficient in winter
@Adam-lx4et
@Adam-lx4et 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife can confirm the heat pump seems to be power hungry in the id3, although the temperature seems a lot warmer than it should be.. and heats up extremely quick (compared to egolf)
@gifted773
@gifted773 3 жыл бұрын
@@Adam-lx4et Our e-Golf is the same, it uses much less energy at the moment. We prefer to use the Golf at the moment for short trips as it is much more efficient. If you preheat the Golf the time for the car to warm up isn't an issue, that's what we are doing.
@twincam96Deluxe
@twincam96Deluxe 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry but something is wrong here: you say that you use 40kwh for 100km (inclusive preheating). Please do the Test without preheating to see how much the car needs and how much the heater.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
No, I said I used 40% in very cold weather. And I pay the same if I preheat plugged in or not.
@stefannedomlel4502
@stefannedomlel4502 3 жыл бұрын
Here in Austria i can change my electricity supplier ever year. This leads to a price of 11-13ct/kWh which would mean that in your calculation the ID.3 is cheaper than the ICE car. You are wrong when you say that there is no off-peak-pricing available in germany. Awattar.de offers hourly prices directly from the epex spot market with an 24 hour forecast via web API.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I can change my provider every month. If off peak excists and it is cheaper, that is awesome!
@brucekennedy5274
@brucekennedy5274 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. High electricity price + current low petrol price + high wither demands on the car... all adds up to the worst case scenario for you atm. Summer will be different of course. All that said, never thought any EV could manage to cost more per mile in fuel that an ICE, that’s surprising. All the battery pre-conditioning is prolonging it’s life, so switching that off could be a short term saving, but potentially costly in the long run.
@Gresteh
@Gresteh 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, it's a balancing act, i'm guessing VW is on the conservative side here and they can decrease the target temperature a little bit, but that's something that they will have to find out by analyzing data. The good thing is that VW can change those parameters if they find out that heating as much is not required as the car will have OTA updates in the future that will be able to change that kind of parameters.
@brucekennedy5274
@brucekennedy5274 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gresteh Great point. Yes I think they probably are being over-cautious. EV future is everything to VW (apparently) so they are probably treading extra carefully. Yes, they may even be able to opting and tailor settings with OTAU's to suit different areas and climates.
@anderspersson6134
@anderspersson6134 3 жыл бұрын
Question to Battery Life concerning Preconditioning. My leased bare bones Life id3 has no way of scheduling preconditioning. Is this in an update? U can use or rather try to use the app though. Sometimes it works Sometimes it does not. Its 100% unpredictable. Comment: for. the range not to be negatively affected by Preconditioning you need a wallbox. Otherwise the car will have to use the battery to make it work get sufficient power. I guess? Chris, will stop moaning about generous German subsidies at least our juice is cheaper up here in the wilderness.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Every Id should have scheduled preconditioning. Comment: That does not change the cost. I have enough range.
@anderspersson6134
@anderspersson6134 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife Ok Chris thanks. Will raise it w the dealership. One smart thing I seldom do but probably should do is charge the battery so its charged just in time for departure. Did this once and w a battery warmed by charging consumption dropped quite a lot. Its cool that you live in the fast lane and like it caliente in your id. Apologies If it came across critical. Got a gift from VW yesterday out of the Blue. Cutlery, sheets, bath robe etc or cereal bowls. What the heck is this? Is this normal for VW???
@anderspersson6134
@anderspersson6134 3 жыл бұрын
@@AlanTov Hi Jimmy are u sure? It kind of keeps charging after having heated the car and charging you know tends to at least slightly heat the batteries. Charging at 11 kW for a longer period does seem to heat the battery???
@anderspersson6134
@anderspersson6134 3 жыл бұрын
@@AlanTov actually according to VW preconditioning does heat the cabin and the battery. The idea being to get more range and comfort.
@doudoune1067
@doudoune1067 3 жыл бұрын
It's a VW problem this waste of energy for small drives. On the other hand the car doesn't coldgate like Kia/Hyundai. In both situations it's a problem that could be solved with a stupid button...
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly the 13 degrees of the battery are not warm enough for fast charging. Still coldgating.
@chrischild3667
@chrischild3667 3 жыл бұрын
Same issue in e-tron. Lots of UK owners complaining about this due to COVID lockdown resulting in short journeys, in the winter cold. (Suspect its common to all EVs as far as I can tell). Small journeys are less efficient for EVs (same applies to ICE too) as things get up to optimum temperatures: tyres, battery, motors, cabin. Once at optimum temperatures the kWh/100km improves. The BMS diverts power to heating to warm up the battery for protection. ICE suffer the same thing. Running cold engines is bad for longevity. Short journeys are bad for diesels especially. As others have said, it'd be good to have a button to warm the battery on demand.
@doudoune1067
@doudoune1067 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrischild3667 Kia/Hyundai almost don't warm the battery (they do but only up to 0C). The problem then arises when you want to DC charge and your battery is at low temp. It takes forever.
@chrischild3667
@chrischild3667 3 жыл бұрын
@@doudoune1067 ah yes. Coldgating. I've not really experienced it in the etron. Those kias are efficient though, I guess thats the trade-off they designed in. Teslas have the pre-condition on demand option don't they, at the expense of consumption when activated mid journey.
@thibs8801
@thibs8801 3 жыл бұрын
40% for 50kms 😱 This car is not efficient. I love my ioniq 38kWh When i see this. In your condition I'm at 15kWh at 115km/h by 8 degrees
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
It is because of the battery heater that heats up the battery twice a day with 6kW until it has 13 degrees.
@CraftyStorm
@CraftyStorm 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe a powerlimit at low temp might be better than this crazy high consumption.
@Gresteh
@Gresteh 3 жыл бұрын
At really low temperatures the car is not exactly efficient for short trips, for longer trips it will be way better, once the car has heated the battery its consumption drops by a lot and becomes way more efficient (but certainly not as efficient as the Ioniq, that car is really efficient due to its low weight and low profile). Chris' consumption is a little on the high side but not unheard of, i've experienced it myself on a couple of occasions... preheating the car uses a lot of energy.... and even if you don't preheat it, as soon as you start driving the car will heat up the battery and that will use a lot of energy, even if you are going to drive a short distance. A heat pump will be more efficient as it will reduce the ammount of energy required to heat the car, but still it will use a lot of energy. VW has to improve in that regard, and i'm certain that they will.
@thibs8801
@thibs8801 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife it's like the ampera of my wife, the battery heater is very eater 😁.
@Dralonet
@Dralonet 3 жыл бұрын
You should get solar! In Sweden you pay less than half for ”green” energy.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I am renting, can't do it.
@marcusevjourney566
@marcusevjourney566 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife Solar only really works if you work from home where you can charge the car in the day.
@justus6564
@justus6564 3 жыл бұрын
I don´t know why people preheat their BEV. ICE need al long time until the car gets warm, but the BEV needs only 5 minutes. But preheating is startet 30 minutes before starting time. SO you preheat 25 minutes too long and just waste energy. It is forbitten to start an ICE an let it run without driving until it is warm. You are allowed to install an seperate heater, but this needs additional fuel.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Preheating with the charger takes only 0,7 kW. Car is warm when I get in.
@vladpalas
@vladpalas 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that you can produce your own fuel (electricity) for an electric car is from my point of view a big advantage over the ICE cars. So in some circumstances, if you have what it needs at home, you could run any electric car for free. Strange that you somehow said you pay more per kwh because the electricity is from renewables :-? My humble mind would think that it should be the opposite, burning coal or running a nuclear plant is more expensive than catching the wind and sun energy :D
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
In Germany renewable energy is more expensive.
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the thought of having an oil derrick in the garden and a fractional distillation setup to make our own fuel is nuts. :) Solar and wind can be had at home which might shift the power away (pun intented) from the big companies.
@don8029
@don8029 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. 10 kWh to preheat!? Worst I've ever seen my Ioniq do was 1.65 kWh. 25 cent rate. Omg?! No dual rates either? What are they playing at? I get 6 cent overnight I think, in Ireland.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
kW ;) both of you.
@don8029
@don8029 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife actually no... kW is a measure of power, kWh is a measure of the volume of power consumed over an hour?
@don8029
@don8029 3 жыл бұрын
To prove my point see my ev charger power 'use' for pre heating today
@oliverunbekannt1595
@oliverunbekannt1595 3 жыл бұрын
much too expensive everywhere! i will never by such a car...
@cernak0905841320
@cernak0905841320 3 жыл бұрын
I buy id3 now after Nissan leaf 40kwh and i hope that i will get a more Clever car.but this stupid preheating battery take so much energy that i Can only hardly make the same km with id3(58kwh battery) than with the leaf....plus screen IS freezing, light assist IS not that good, lane assist always on, seats are not so comfortable.i whant me leaf back
@Adam-lx4et
@Adam-lx4et 3 жыл бұрын
We have both an egolf and id3 and in winter the egolf range is not too far off the id3 despite the id3 having a much larger battery. The egolf doesn't have a battery heater so it looks like warming isnt gaining anything (other than increase charging speed)
@TL-xw6fh
@TL-xw6fh 3 жыл бұрын
A heat pump should have been standard for all northern European countries. This is very typical of the VW Group, to maintain a low 'sticker price' for the car. Unfortunately, such a strategy gives EV cars a bad name for winter driving.
@adrianguggisberg3656
@adrianguggisberg3656 3 жыл бұрын
A heat pump wouldn't have much impact on this particular problem. Plus the ID3 heat pump with its current software doesn't save any energy at all, as tests have revealed.
@digitalmindful
@digitalmindful 3 жыл бұрын
Charging my ID3 from home is 52% cheaper compared to diesel fuel driving a Škoda Superb before.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@pouleichel426
@pouleichel426 3 жыл бұрын
for comparison, my Kona with heat pump and preheating is only 190wh/Km
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Lucky you. Because the Kona only preheats the battery in extreme cold.
@bisitis
@bisitis 3 жыл бұрын
I can only agree about charging & electricity prices in Germany. As in Berlin and living in apartment building - only choice for me right now is public charging. It ranges from 44-50ct/kwh AC (at least my eNiro takes 11kw). With that said - I am having in current weather (lets say average temperature is around 0, when I was driving), consumption is ~ 18kwh/100km (with preheating, comfortable temparature, driving "fun" way, combined city & autobahn). Range I get with 80%down to 20% charge is ~220km. Costs to charge from 20% - 80% is ~ 18Eur. Thus my "fuel" price per 100km is ~8.50EUR. With this said - it is extremely close to price of ICE (smaller one though). It really really sucks how expensive electricity is here in Germany - and it doesn't make sense, when you read all the surcharges it includes - as at the end one kw costs maybe 5 cents on peak hours and sometimes even negative off-the-peak. At the end - I hope to save some bucks on maintenance e.t.c. In general - EV is definitely best and fun-to-drive car I had and do own for daily use.
@remco6816
@remco6816 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a 33cent ionity rate would be good for you. Im also living in an apartment but we have engine heaters which i can use to charge the car. This year they might install 11kw charging, they have to anyway some time.
@bisitis
@bisitis 3 жыл бұрын
@@remco6816 Where can you get the 33cent ionity rate? As well, sadly in and around Berlin there is only one Ionity charging spot.
@remco6816
@remco6816 3 жыл бұрын
@@bisitis if you pay 120 euro on yearly basis we charge will give id.car owners a 0.33cent rate. Check out "we charge".
@bisitis
@bisitis 3 жыл бұрын
@@remco6816 that's the thing. If you read my comment, I don't have a ID.* car. ;)
@DarcersTech
@DarcersTech 3 жыл бұрын
This would be one of the reasons to go for the refreshed Model 3. The way Tesla has implemented the heat pump is absolutely amazing.
@godsenseUK
@godsenseUK 3 жыл бұрын
True, however it doesn't get away from the higher power draw at low temperatures. Sometimes you just don't need to preheat the battery for shorter journeys, it's just wasteful.
@DarcersTech
@DarcersTech 3 жыл бұрын
@@godsenseUK Of course it can’t beat physics, but the difference between summer and winter consumption is quite a bit smaller than the ID3. I really hope VW updates the software for better HVAC management, because even the ID3s with heat pumps consume way too much in the cold.
@alexklemme
@alexklemme 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris! Bin ich zu 100% bei Dir. Das preheating ist oft nicht nötig und verballert zu viel Energie. Stört mich auch und muss nicht sein. Gibt es denn in der 1st. Mover-Gruppe seitens VW schon eine Stellungnahme dazu? VG
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
Sie arbeiten dran
@alexklemme
@alexklemme 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife Ok. Schönen Sonntag. 👍
@KJSvitko
@KJSvitko 3 жыл бұрын
Every home and business should have solar panels or access to community solar.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I rent. Therefore I cannot put solar on the roof.
@KJSvitko
@KJSvitko 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife That is why I mentioned community solar. Anyone in the community can buy their electricity from the community solar program. Might not be available where you are but the concept is becoming more common in areas with apartments and condos. This is a great idea that needs to become more common and gives more people the opportunity to go solar.
@jonathan6665
@jonathan6665 3 жыл бұрын
Evs are also expensive in Denmark, as electricity is really expensive. Evs are not great in winter.
@jdnrotterdam2150
@jdnrotterdam2150 3 жыл бұрын
Here you pay public charging €5,50 per 100km in town. And €9,75 per 100 km fast charging highway. So no not cheaper than gasoline for like a hybride car or something
@Mooshimoca
@Mooshimoca 3 жыл бұрын
why is electricity expensive in denmark?
@jonathan6665
@jonathan6665 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mooshimoca100% tax on every kwh. One kWh is around 2.50 DKK at home.
@fjalics
@fjalics 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathan6665 They need to tax EV fuel less than dino juice. And frankly, they should encourage the use of heat pumps by getting north sea windpower into homes cheap.
@jonathan6665
@jonathan6665 3 жыл бұрын
@@fjalics yes!
@pauladams5673
@pauladams5673 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are very informative and I enjoy watching them but please, please stop mixing up Energy and Power!
@huss1205
@huss1205 3 жыл бұрын
That is what holding me from buying an EV, they are expensive to buy, and expensive and not practical to operate. I use a Hyundai i30 with a diesel engine for my 230km daily commute, done paying for the car 3 years ago, I do the oil change myself as well as changing few filters, cheap and easy to do, and costs me about 300 Euros for diesel every month and tax is about 10 Euros per month, and full insurance for about 60 Euros, nothing to hate about that actually and I can not do it cheaper. Long live ICE cars, and long live our two diesel powered household cars..
@VirtuellJo
@VirtuellJo 3 жыл бұрын
Would cost me less than €1,7 to use the ID.3 here in Norway like in your example.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
You are lucky.
@casperhansen826
@casperhansen826 3 жыл бұрын
Let's all move to Norway
@onlineo2263
@onlineo2263 3 жыл бұрын
@@casperhansen826 hahaha. Don't move to Norway for low prices. Sure the electricity may be good value but everything else is rather expensive.
@teslapower18
@teslapower18 3 жыл бұрын
-3C...really. It does not sound winter at all. Very funny video, but maybe someone can get the point here.
@MarioDallaRiva
@MarioDallaRiva 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm, if you could only find some free charging....hmm....
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
;) already did.
@MarioDallaRiva
@MarioDallaRiva 3 жыл бұрын
👌🏼😎👍🏻
@StevePotter-G6HOQ
@StevePotter-G6HOQ 3 жыл бұрын
So I take it you can fully fuel your Petrol or Diesel Golf each night for about $5AU? no? I thought not. well you can fully fuel your ID3 for that, and a lot less seeing as you probably have solar, if not why????? its bloody sunny there. But I suppose you have to click bait your titles to get traffic.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I rent. Cannot get solar. This video is to show that the battery heater takes a lot of energy and gets expensive on short trips.
@dublindave78
@dublindave78 3 жыл бұрын
Have you considered wearing a jacket?
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I do. Winter jacket.
@larslrs7234
@larslrs7234 3 жыл бұрын
What is the point of comparing a car with preheating against a car without preheating and then complaining that the car without it is colder ?
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I am comparing a normal EV to a normal Ice car in the winter. That is one of the points!
@larslrs7234
@larslrs7234 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife It's not about EV vs. ICE. If you want to have preheating in your car then you take a car with preheating. It is not that expensive. Still, most of the people prefer to save the money rather than having preheating, which is an option that you don't even have with many EVs. Your preheating comparison is almost like complaining that EVs don't have a loud exhaust system that some people unfortunately want to have. BTW, I also don't like it when cars are not getting warm quickly, but I have no such problem with my ICE w/o preheating. Take care that your dealer provides you with an appropriate replacement next time.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
99,99% of ice cars do NOT have preheating!!!!!!!
@larslrs7234
@larslrs7234 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife Not sure about the number but lets assume is true: And 99,99% of EV don't have a loud exhaust system installed (which would make the car more expensive) even though some people want loud exhaust. So shame on both, I guess? The EV has a preheating because it needs it. There is no way to spend 1k less and have no preheating. Many ICE have a nice/loud sounding exhaust system installed. But there is no way to spend 1k less and have no nice sounding exhaust installed. Having no preheating in ICE is an intentionally made choice. One could decide to add one, but most think that they don't need it. Having no loud "sound maker" on an EV is an intentionally made choice. One could decide to add one, but most think that they don't need it. It´s about logic! It also wouldn't make sense to argue that turning on the header on an ICE doesn't fuel consumption and that this is an advantage over the EV. BTW, some ICE really don't need a preheater because they get warm within 5 minutes. As I mentioned before, ask your dealer next time for a car that gets warmer faster. Idk, if VW can provide. If they can't, that is a VW problem, not a ICE problem.
@TschingisTube
@TschingisTube 3 жыл бұрын
I like that you trash ice cars at the stop light. People need to known electric cars are quick :), not youtube quick, but real quick.
@MW-fc8id
@MW-fc8id 3 жыл бұрын
Noooo, please dont make a button “ dont pre heat automatically", make a button "pre heat". This would be very easy. Just remove the automatic pre heating system and use a manual one. Let the mature user choose.
@tobiasolsen8547
@tobiasolsen8547 3 жыл бұрын
Get to the point!
@kresimirsimunovic5333
@kresimirsimunovic5333 3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that Volkswagen ID 3 awful built quality, dodgy infotaiment. ICE Volkswagen are still better built in terms in build quality.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Mine has great built quality. Software is imoroving all the time.
@kresimirsimunovic5333
@kresimirsimunovic5333 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife,good for you,but Auto Motor Und Sport magazine (of Germany) critisized not only software glitches but a build quality as well. insideevs.com/news/443245/german-magazine-bashes-vw-id3/
@Reendonegan
@Reendonegan 3 жыл бұрын
He lives in Germany. He likes his car warm before he sets off. This consumes battery charge or grid electricity. Electricity is 25c/KwH in Germany and therefore deemed expensive. He has no idea whether an ICE is more expensive than his ID3 because he doesn't know the price of fuel or how much fuel he used. But he does like his car pre-heated. Accordingly, it is more expensive to run in contrast to the Skoda ICE that was cold and less comfortable and therefore cheaper - he believes. There, I've just saved you 12 minutes and 22 seconds of your life that you can use to listen to something that is evidence-based rather than this click-bait. Sorry, Battery Life, but we need better quality videos than this.
@BatteryLife
@BatteryLife 3 жыл бұрын
I know what had to pay for fuel for the skoda and I know what I pay every day for Walter. Id.3 is more expensive in the winter to drive to work!
@Reendonegan
@Reendonegan 3 жыл бұрын
@@BatteryLife Was the ICE full of fuel when you started your journey? I suspect that you don't know! "€1.35 or something" per litre is hardly cutting edge science. Comparing a warmed ID3 with a cold Skoda ICE hardly validates your argument. We need the cost per km or cost per 100km - not some woolly opinion which is completely counter to the facts. You have done some good videos but this one is sloppy and is not one of them
@adnanjusic4890
@adnanjusic4890 3 жыл бұрын
its to expensive for an EV!! tesla is way more power eficiant. and whoever make solid-state batteries in to cars.. it will be most eficiant ev cars on market.
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