Not always true. An ECU is not a static algorithm as the inputs of oxygen and fuel can vary. It reads input and adjusts *to an extent*.

@@armandocardona6975 Thats assuming it's using AFR to handle it's tune and not VE and torque targeting

@@armandocardona6975 most cars are on a closed loop tune.

@@pawg206 That makes sense, I would assume it was targeting fuel consumption levels to improve mpg. Thank you for your knowledge I had no clue

It’s gonna take more than a cat back and headers to really throw off the stock tune I wouldn’t trust a gps timer but that’s me

That’s not right… the problem with the header is they’re smaller than the oem primary tubes… and headers NEVER kill torque unless they’re short which is usually the case with UEL… if you want to go fast UEL shouldn’t be in your list 🤣

@@Texas_Road_Warrior UEL definitely shouldn't be in your first list, if you want to go faster.. does sound nice though.

If the primaries are smaller then stock then thats a good header. Thats how its suppose to be. Most headers are too big and destroy low end throttle responce even with tune

@@mrporsche4236 Smaller than stock is never better. You may gain a little low end but sacrifice top end power. Considering a BRZ is slow and needs all the high end power it can get, you would be a fool to reduce your max flow potential especially if you plan to add more mods and boost.

That’s a good suggestion! I definitely need some practice!

Yeah I would have loved to do a rolling start it would have been so much faster but I feel like people would have complained that it wasn’t a real 0-60 or something😂

@@BenLovrien .. they would have, because it’s not.

They're actually quite capable cars on the track. Many use power as a patch to cover their lack of overall driving skill. If you can maximize this car, you'll jump into other people's cars and show them up.

@@slimjim77M not stock apparently, I bent the shit out of my front control arm doing donuts yesterday, can’t wait to get beefier parts on this car

@@Xdmfan02 First time? You'll realize how much of a money pit you're about to have if you keep abusing it. I mean destroying it. When I got my Camaro I believed the hype of damn an LS3 it must be built to run. NO, it has more horsepower than the drivetrain can handle. I got it at 50k miles, replaced the bushings to prevent wheel hop. Destroyed 2 axles and the 2-piece factory driveshaft within 4 months, took it to shop for the first axle, and it broke 2 months later, replaced the 2nd one my self and it held up for 2 months and then the driveshafts center carrier bearing exploded. I ran it like it was a Nascar every moment I stepped inside it "ONLY ON THE WEEKENDS* and I still destroyed the parts over and over. When I see those *stock* supercharge videos and they're dogging it, I know by experience that they're replacing parts left and right all the time, mainly Axles and possibly a diff sooner or later. I had the Camaro for 6 months and dumped 3k into it to keep it on the road. By the 7th month, keep in mind 50k miles and mint when I got it. 7th month the trans started leaking, I was done with chevy and done with the high horsepower scene. I did not want to spend 10k+ a year just to drive it how I wanted, but if you do you'll be paying big bucks. I have a few buddies that have an 800whp drag car and every weekend they run it, they have to do a full transmission rebuild the weekend after. It's MONEY to play. You get into replacing tires all the time, replacing parts, paying $250-$300 for a track day and before you know it, it's consumed you and is all you do. That's why every single old person you hear say (you keep doing that and it isn't going to last long) it's damn true, very, very true. These youtubers who are big names, they are replacing axles like clockwork every 2-3 months and don't talk about it, doing transmission rebuilds once a year, replacing diffs once a year and the whole 9 just to make sure it's ready to go. Getting into the scene, car dudes are pissing money away nonstop for nothing. You want adrenaline for cheap? Get a Hayabusa and call it a day until it claims the ultimate price of your life. Porsche guys run into these issues, just as much as we do. It's a well known thing of needing deep pockets, those Italian and Germans just cost more to play. You blow a Lamborghini engine? Bingo 45k sir, thanks have a good day. LOL and it happens, I've seen it.

@@Xdmfan02 Trust me when I say, The little burnouts and the little adrenaline runs are definitely not worth the money it's about to cost you. You want adrenaline? Go skydive and you'll be good for 3-6 months until you want to do it again, and it costs $100 a head. Wait until they clock you going 95 in the 60 and hand you that $500 ticket, boy is that fun. Wait until you mess up and overcorrect or under correct and you total a $30,000 car. That is so damn fun. To be good, and to get good. You have to learn a cars limits and that's the truth if you want to really be good, and to learn those limits is to push it past what it can do and get bit once. You think Ken block or any of the big names haven't destroyed cars to get where they are? Vaughn Jr did all the time, You see Nascar? when they wreck like that it's $200,000 burned. These videos are all fun and games until the stuff you don't see happens. The tickets, The trips to jail, the license points and the totaled cars. That's why when people started rallying they'd use beat up cars from craigslist haha, they knew they were about to destroy it just to get their name out there and prayed to get a sponsor to help with the repairs of the cheap parts. I mean status aside, it's cheaper to get a theme park yearly pass and have a near heart attack whenever you feel like it.

@@floored3078 hey, shut the fuck up, it’s my car.

It’s got so much torque, the chassis twisted coming off the line. Scares the hell out of me.

im turbo charging my 22 brz. it will be done by 8th of january. soooooooo excited. bought the car for 38k AUD, spent 19k aud on the turbo kit and supporting mods. not cheap......

@@Zapre Yeah it all adds up fast for sure lol. IMO, for the BRZ, it is money well spent though. The driver experience in those cars are right up there with any other car you can name at any value.

100% man, numbers aren’t everything. Definitely why I love this car!

My headers were built specifically for my car. JDL has 2nd Gen specific headers

@@BenLovrien can you share a link to the headers? I've been looking i haven't seen anything for gen 2 yet.

Haha I am new😂 but yeah I did one pull there and dipped, I had the same thought about all the houses there lol

No tuning out for these yet, will do it asap! :)

No tunes out yet for the car, but I will eventually

Utah

I’m from AZ!

What would you like to see more of? Always down to learn where I can!

@@BenLovrien anything man and by higher quality I meant resolution. Forgive me if I didn't explain that well. Overall I love the videos and how chill they are and you do great editing!! I can't wait to see more install and cruise or vlogs. Everyday life or anything. Overall you doing great don't forget that ❤️🙏🏽

I think this video might be a bit grainy bc of the low light with the GoPro. But all my other videos are filmed in 4K with my Sony A7C. And don’t worry about it man I’m always down for some constructive criticism!😂 thank you for all that!

@@BenLovrien 😂made my night thank you Ben 😂

Maybe a tuned ST yes, but I think my terrible driving didn’t show what this car can really do😂 I’ll have to bring it to the drag strip someday

Honestly that would be sweet to have a valved exhaust lol

Hope this helps

Thank you!

Never noticed that when doing 0-60 in my car if its just a small little creep. I think thats what the 1ft roll out time is for.

That's not launching, that's driving away full throttle

Wait hold on what’s launching then?😂

I think that’s for the automatic though which somehow is over a second slower than the manual

You are right, but I know for sure that it’s almost less than 1mph difference that it’ll read on the speedo and the draggy reads times based on GPS I’m pretty sure. That’s a good thought though! But I remember the first time I could still only hit about 58, possibly 59 in second with stock wheels and tires.

@@BenLovrien yeah, I looked at other videos after typing this comment and yeah seems like it didn't hit 60 in 2nd in stock form... Bummer. Let's hope tunes come out soon to increase the redline, that would decrease 0-60 nicely

@@Fideon it does hit 60 in 2nd, cars n drivers have done 5.8 sec... and 13.8 quarter... not sure how these new owners are wrecking the factory tune.

The tune isn’t gonna change the ability to hit 60 in second gear. It’s the gear ratio, like, it’s a physical part on the car and nothing can change it unless you swap for a longer gear ratio. Idk how some people can and some can’t but I’ll bang rev limiter just to make sure in 2nd and it only hits 57, maybe 58 for a second. Like, the auto brz has a different gear ratio which is why it’s so much slower to 60 but it’ll hit 68 or so in second. Idk maybe I’m doing it wrong but they were all made the same idk what to do😂

@@BenLovrien maybe later down the road we'll get tunes that increase the redline, thus giving the ability to hit 60 in 2nd. My ND is tuned and the redline was raised from 6500 to 7400 so I know that's a possibility

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That makes a ton of sense actually and I didn’t know that before! Really glad you left that comment actually thanks for the new understanding!

If it’s auto then that makes sense but if it’s manual, maybe the gearing is different? These gears are pretty short which is why it does a decent 0-60 stock. At least by someone who can actually drive the car well unlike myself😂

Yep…they sound cool but they are not a good setup for optimal scavenging…and that will compromise power.

I think you’re 100% right. Might switch to an EL setup when it gets boosted someday.

Would if I could😭

Roll race they are super quick! I just think I need launching lessons😂 so far I’ve only bagged two cars but I’ve also only raced two cars😂 boosted civic Si and a newer Mazdaspeed3

Unfortunately, all of them are until someone learns how these new ECU’s work😅😂

Literally put that in there😂

Yeah man that was before I watched the whole video lol great video and I wasn’t trying to hate on you I was just messing around brother before I get attacked.

I don’t think anyone would attack you😂 hoping to actually be getting into some track driving next year!

Hopefully I’ll have my 86 by then. Damn thing has been on order for too long now!!

I think we’re just basic bitches that have good taste in cars

No such thing as a 4 ft rollout. They use 1 ft

Thank you for this!

I actually went from a 17” tire stock to an 18”. But yeah it was suuuuper hot and my exhaust flows too much to hit the lower 0-60 times.

@Ben Lovrien does your timer use the cars reported speed or a GPS speed? Also I believe the small elevation will hurt your power as well. I mean 1k feet isn't much but added to 102F and no tune I can see you not making stock numbers. I'd comment on the driver mod, but it didn't look bad and I doubt I'm any better. I owned a previous gen and have a 22GR86 as well.

@@wayward03 it’s a draggy, I’m pretty sure it uses gps reported speed but it’s supposed to be one of the most accurate tools for getting your 0-60.

You’re 1000% right. Hoping tuning comes out soon. Then we’ll jump into the world of boost😁

Someone make me my own gas station in arizona that has 93 then😂

@@BenLovrien wtf bro u cant get 93 octane why did u buy a brz .. 93 minimum u going to kill the engine earlier... factory warranty out the window .... read your manual... well now we no why your brz is so slow eh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 second slower on 91 octane.. wow .. get some racing gas.. Ben when you moving out of state... ?

Manual says: “The engine is designed to operate using unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 91 or higher. However, fuel with an octane rating of 87 or higher can be used in either model with no detriment to engine durability.”

@@BenLovrien get to a race track and buy some racing gas 101 octane turn your car on !!! like your car getting some Viagra.. must be losing 20 hp on 91 octane or more..

Could be! Track stuff with another car coming next year!

Same reason you left the comment. I do what I want👍🏻

They are? I didn’t know that. But yeah I need to work on my launches

Idk why either I bang rev limiter at 57. We’re they autos? Because the auto can hit I think 68 in second.

Elantra can't drift

@@nn99nn99 yes, because people are gonna be able to drift a BRZ with how slow it is 🤡

It cut at 57mph and I was pedal to the floor🫤 The autos can do like 68 thought because they don’t have short gears like the manual does.

@@BenLovrien idk why that is for you. I have the brz MT trans and I hit 60 at top of 2nd for sure.

Car is full bolt on at the moment. It has all available power mods that are on the market. So it’s full bolt on at the moment. No intakes, no tunes, no boost, but when all that comes out then it won’t be.

Sorry but I beg to differ if you ever plan on boosting this car in the first place your going to need a stand alone ecu since no Cobb option for boosting. You could buy a stand alone eco tomorrow and get a hks turbo kit and have, probably one of the first boosted gr86/brz in the states and ur channel would blow up... it sounded like I was hating but it comes from love bro . THAT would be full bolt on, and you would actually be able to tune your car. Just saying

That’s true, that’s true. But a stand alone ECU setup is insanely expensive and not worth it given the connections I have to boost the car later on. I have contact with a company already who can help me boost it as soon as the tuning is out. We plan to be the first regardless but yeah you’re right, I could go do all that now if I had the cash but I don’t wanna spend it on that. On track cash wise to buy a turbo kit once tuning comes out possibly at the end of this year. Right in time for boost weather in the desert haha.

@@BenLovrien That is a fair point. I'm currently saving for a decent down payment so I can afford monthly payments, hopefully I can get the GR by the end of the year so I definitely feel you on dealing with the expenses. I just see the huge potential of a stand alone ecu and not being limited on what all you can really do with your car. Definitely an investment tho. I genuinely hope the best for you and your channel.

happy late birthday my man. Hope it was a great day!

@@its_fprime thank youu!

Elantra can't drift

@@nn99nn99 what does a slow civilian car need to drift for? Its a grocery getter, a to b car. And gets better mileage than the BRZ, while being faster. It’s a better machine all around

Elantra N line has a slower 0-60 even with a DCT transmission and my terrible driving skills in my brz haha. It also weighs more by a lot and has less horsepower. I don’t think it’s faster. Plus I average 31mpg in the brz even with all these mods so I don’t think it gets better mileage either but maybe it does I’ve never driven one for longer than just doing a few pulls in one when I worked for SXTH.

@@BenLovrien those journalists just mash their foot to the floor, with proper throttle management and finesse of knowing when the gear shifts you can get a way harder launch and 0-60 times. I get over 40mpg and i drive it like i stole it. I also regularly pull on cars much faster than BRZ, if i was in america id definitely have a run with you.

@@BenLovrien as a car guy you should understand, yes you have 20 or so hp on the n line, but the n line has 20 or so torque on you. From 1500 rpm till 4500. On the street that’s dream power band.