Exactly what i was thinking

what does that mean? sorry, just subbed to Skallagrim.

Alright, you won the internet today.

It would allow you to End Him Rightly. Find that video in Skall's stuff. It's...like...the best joke.

stop taking the meme so seriously .-.

Doge Commissar it's very effective when you underestimate your enemies power.

Doge Commissar in fencing, not really, light sabers, meh, gladatorial, I guess, and 1v1 scrub, very

I fucking hate star trek

Depends? If you're fighting someone on, say, a slope or a staircase, whoever's lower has to worry about their head more, and whoever's higher has to worry about their legs/being grappled. Plus if there's anything to fall off of or get slammed into (like a banister) then that's a consideration.

yes very every tried running up a hill tiring and difficult running down is easier don't know much about sword but with guns your arms would get tired aiming up but aiming down is easy not to mention any cover is meaningless when they can see over it

Lol!

Yeah same tought. You know when you dream to be born in medievil and kill everything with your trusty sowrd but you realize you'll die after two fights xD

When you think about it, most soldiers died because of infection instead of fatal wounds

Irl it was nothing like this. Soldiers just half-sworded with gauntlets and it was more grappling than anything else. These "cuts" wouldn't come close to penetrating the armor.

@@samuelbrice3699 forgot to mention that swords where not the primary weapon on the battle field

@@helgraf6976 Oh really? What was used primarily?

same

yeah that way then I fall they end up in my gut and not on the floor

sAy wHAAt? Blood can be mopped up unlike scratches, so you save yourself some trouble. Just gotta be careful where those stomach acids go and avoid carpets.

you guys are all doing it wrong, just throw the scissors where you want them to be, and then catch up with them later

Good video. I always like your analytical approach. BTW, you left the 'b' out of 'biomechanically' at the end of the video.

n00b, the standard grip is far superior because it allows you to unscrew the pommel while obscuring the movement with your blade. With the reverse grip the opponent can see immediately that they're about to be ended.

Yeah you n00b

But if they already realise, that their extermination is imminent you can let them linger in fear.

unless you do the mind tricks, like move your sword with your off hand close to the pommel pretending that you are using some short of sophisticated technique when in fact you are unscrewing your pommel while you are moving your sword. So I would call the words of sir Toth, words of a Genius! That aside I think that you should try cutting from the opposite direction from the one you are defending as it seems to me as the only mechanically viable way to attack from that grip. Still though, it remains as an "end em rightly grip"

0NBalfa0 This....this weapon can never make it into government hands. Quick, delete comments, we've gone too far.

Any success since then? 😀 5:36 PM 2/22/2020

Pls do a video about your sword style

yasss

Hope things have improved buddy.

The best advice I could give is that reverse grip tends to work best for smaller blades like daggers. Perhaps dual-wielding reverse-grip daggers would work for you?

Or go dual wielding with the secondary with a short blade and reverse-grip

fren6363 Ahsoka reference?

@@allenp_07 I've never watched those series, I know shes the padiwon of anakin but I didnt know she was dual wielding let alone one reverse grip and length size difference

It’s best used alternating between the grips, but of course to practically implement that you would have to practice swinging then alternating to reverse quickly.

@@fren6363 go watch the show dude. It's the best star wars that you'll ever see.

You just made my day. Thanks!

and mine, haha, xaxa, 5555,

😂😂 nice one

😂😂😂oh god my sides....

+King Ragnar what language is that I Wonder ?

Apothecary Terry ESPECIALLY for French swordsmen

Amazing comment

Are you Lindybeige in disguise?

Lmao

thank you for the laugh

It's great XD.

It reminds me the sword fight of the movie "Equilibrium". Total badass.

Star Wars Force Unleashed II is all I am saying. ;)

That was a tonfa.

Gangstas do hold pistols sideways. So i guess a medieval gangsta would use icepick grip lol

+O'Dubhagain the force unleashed lightsaber wasnt, unless youre referring to what the first reply was, im sure that person is a kiiiiiiller, kiiiiiller

With short swords it could be a good way to hide it in ambush situation. Hold it behind and attack with one sword normally, see how it goes. Then you have options of either blocking as you say, reversing the grip back to normal for dual wielding, or attacking with reversed blade in close distance for element of surprise. Still, kinda far-fetched.

That's probably the best way to duel wield two swords, just turn one into a shitty shield.

According to Skal, dual wielding was used mostly with short swords, I'm sure it's easier to use this grip with shorter blade. :))

Andy Westfall Yeah that was basically my thoughts, but it would be a shitty shield that could slash at an exposed neck or something if you parried

GmTy Yeah basically it was, there was a type of gladiator, who dual wielded two gladiuses (gladii?) the dimarchaerus, and even then it was super rare and only used in certain matchups. I still don't think it would work that well, daggers yes, maybe short swords like you say... but the poor parrying and counter attacks make it not very viable

Conrado Javier I thought of Ventus from Kingdom Hearts BBS cause lightsabers slice most crap anyway so as long as you touch them at all your fine :P

Starkiller too

Weeb trash.

Tisamon since when is Star Wars considered anime?

Indiana Jones It is not like there is an exact definition of anime, the clone wars is often considered anime.

Good point.

No, silly, the point is on the side.

Actually this made think... you could just straight punch someone while blocking with the sword. XD

***** open hand let's you do more than punch though, you can grapple, throw things(pommel), or even parry if you got a gauntlet or are crazy.

looked to the comments for this, was not disappointed :)

OMG XDDDD

Good catch haha

^what the fuck?

Lol

Hans, grab flammenwerfer.

Gotta go out in style if you want to live longer.

But I think standard grip is cooler though... unless it’s a dagger of course then it’s super badass

I like when they use both mixed in, it just looks really good at least.

Nothing

Two years later, still hella funny..

I would imagine it's a bit of both.

I found that using reverse grip is more defensive then offensive and even using it well you would still switch grip several times during the melee I've never seen anybody viably use reverse grip through an entire sword fight

I wouldn't say it's defensive, as in "is advantageous for the defender", but it has fewer disadvantages while defending, so you naturally tend to do just that.

i can see this being somewhat useful in armoured fighting, 'causee then you have more incentive to get in close.

+World's Biggest Booty Hoes pretty sure they show it with daggers tho

Giovanny Linares um find videos of people who are well practiced with it. You won’t balk at it then. It’s potential is tornado of cuts. Not to mention it gets you very close to them. Your judging this as if your expecting it to work at normal fencing distance. The limit is left at skill and practice. I shouldn’t have watched this debacle of an explanation. Also the blades balance plays a major role. I get the feeling you didn’t really research this well. Plus it’s more commonly used with a shorter sword in the other hand. Ahhhh.... it’s like your forcing content for your channel. Seek demonstrators who are trained also. Looks like neither of you have picked up a sword hardly at all.

@@1014p holy shit man. you are upset as hell.

It seems defensive in its design.

It's not really a combat stance so much as a transitional stance. You don't rush into combat with an inverted blade and a naruto stance. XD If however in a fight you are able to transition to it, it can be viable in the right situation. You need good finger dexterity though to be able to flip the blade.

It isn't when you put any muscle into it it takes way more strength. He doesn't cover that part. Anyone saying otherwise need to stop watching KZfaq videos and playing video games and try doing it in real life. I'd challenge any of them is really love to see it.

CQB, precisely. Think Zatoichi-

Funnily i never used a sword so when me and my friend used wood log stick things in class as swords, i held it in a reverss grip bc it felt natural to me more so than standard, and he had experience with fencing and i kept up with him and we were fighting like normal (it hurt sure but it was fun) and i was able to beat him a decent amount bc i dont fight like you would normally bc i would grab the blade when necessary bc in my eyes a small or even deep cut to the hand isnt much if it means you win and he was like the "the fuck why are you grabbing it? That means ur hand would be cut" and i said "its still attached no? So that means its fair game, and a normal tactic some people used as either support or to advance an attack" im not wrong if i were like inches from a knife going into my stomach i would grab my blade and push it the other sword back or as mine collided with his, id grab the blade to hold him in place a few seconds to give me the edge ik it wouldn't work in alot of cases but it wouldnt hurt to try

Zatoichi movies are some of my favorites and my most favorite swords are also Zatoichi Shirasaya swords than regular katanas. They are sleek, natural looking like a cane and very concealed. I also like the reverse grip with fast counter style of Zatoichi. I am getting a good custom made Zatoichi sword with my own measurements which is a bit shorter than a regular katana. I will practice this style with a wooden one. BTW your post is really on point about this style and its usage.

lmao

Fundamentally longswords and katanas are the same in technique when when used in sparring or real combat. Outside of knives or off handed short blades; reverse grip is a completely ineffective style.

A skilled opponent can always create distance. Even if someone rushes in aggressively, lateral movement can really mess with that.

the limited range is a problem, if you added grapples, punches and kicks and kept the opponent off balance it would work. but it still sacrifices range and a lot of defence. id love to show the guys at blood and iron alternate techniques.

Actually, that comment about the boxing style with two ice-pick grip knives is pretty similar to something Skal said on an older video of his, about the fantasy knives used by Riddick... essentially, if you practiced a particular kind of martial art that focused on these sorts of knife techniques and grappling / striking, it could actually be very effective... but you'd have to invest the time into the training

id actually like to see someone thats good with the style, or they could dual wield and do both grips

+Das Carlin (Legacy of Wasted Time) ive had some practice with this style of fighting. Cant say how good i am seeing as i have no one to spar with.

that'd be even worse lol

Lenny Is A Tomato Perhaps so, but I generally see the reverse-grip used with dual wielding

Yeah that's the only occasion I've seen the reverse grip being used. Which makes some sense I think. Because most people wouldn't be skillful enough to do a full dual wield. But using it as an improvised main gauche would require less skill and _might_ give you some more defense.

Still, its not much effective. As he said, it really limit your reach, so if your ennemie have a rapier. You will be fucked so hard.

john doe I do also see one reverse grip, and one standard grip a lot. Generally with Japanese weapons

Still lying about me.

teknomogul Bud, the time to shut the fuck up is now. Do not make the powers that be make your work

@teknomogul I smell cap

Luke Simms me too.

@@lukesimms2392 same

@TEKNOMOGUL Lol. Butthurt weeb getting mad trying to defend anime fighting styles. There's a reason why swords are held the way they are: Looking cool isn't going to win the fight and keep you alive.

Your* sake. stupid phone lol

Thank you. :) Don't worry, this is how I've always done things and it's not going to change.

***** Well I hope not. Ive seen many a YTer get to caught up in the seriousness of being a YTer. They get less fun, some of em get straight up depressing. But this...this is the fun Oasis in the creeping desert of YT. Thanks for the reply Skall! I hope your not still in pain or anything. Ik its been awhile since the injury, but ik from experience that time doesnt equal a 100% recovery.

Dual wielding, in general, is usually inferior to simply two-handing a single sword. It's not easy to control both limbs in that manner, and the amount of force that two hands can deliver overpowers what a person can do with one. The reverse grip only makes that worse. If a person slashes down at you with a two-handed grip and you try to defend with a dagger in a reverse grip, you will likely get a huge gash in that hand, because the small dagger will not be enough to cover the rotational energy of the one blade swinging at you. So that means you have to dodge, or use your main hand. If you dodge successfully, great. But you'll only likely get one attack in, which would also be more effective if using a two-handed grip. If you use your main hand, you have a chance of getting pushed back and staggering. Now, imagine if, instead of that reverse grip dagger, you had a shield. The sword comes at you, with one hand you block, you can push them back, and then go in for an attack. You can still dodge, you still have two "weapons", and if you need to parry with your main hand, you can back it up easier with the shield. Like Skal said, it's possible, but all the time investment in getting that good where you can use a reverse grip weapon effectively is probably wasted. You could have been spending it using more conventional weapons, and improving your edge alignment, endurance, raw strength, or tactics.

@@jeremiahbell6129 I don't think you understand what parrying Daggers are for

Kinda late for the comment, but could the reverse grip be perfect for curved blades like scimitars? Just curious

@@scottmcconnell9211 I think it would actually be worse. The curve further limits range and makes it more likely you would stab yourself. Just use a shield in your off hand. Better yet, a shield with a spike.

@@scottmcconnell9211 only good for parrying daggers on offhand, and best with a rapier on the main hand

Yes, reverse grip is for aggressive, close in, grappling/hooking/slashing. It's a high stakes tactic used it to throw off the balance/cadence of your opponent to finish a fight quickly through unconventional maneuvering.

very stupid Katana is a 2 handed sword unless your reference is from movies or anime

Araria K Do you know what a joke is?

+Araria K the katana was a one handed weapon used with a shield. in Japan, after 200 years of peace, warriors just used it as a 2H weapon because they never carried shields anymore. the fact that samurai used maces, despite the fact that NO-ONE used katanas in the battlefield reinforces this.

Samurais started off as horse archers originally so there basically was no shield required from the beginning. Their sword is also made to be used two-handedly for the greatest effect. I suppose that in the japanese style of fighting, a shield would only be a hinderance. even tho its two handed......its actually used both ways......single and double.....but the usually style is two handed.....but each samurai has his own style..... When the katana was used single handedly, the off hand usually held a shorter sword for additional firepower and defence. But never a shield WITH REVERSE GRIP you will kill your wrist first before get some scratch on enemy

+Araria K +Araria K chivalry archers were Mongolian. SOME samurai used horses, but the standar battle formation was a dense infantry group. they were really good archers, that's true. they can be compared to English bowman in that aspect. and did you just said "extra sword for more firepower"? that's just silly. by the way, samurai never used reversed grip in the recorded history.

Lmao, levi reference

And maybe occasionally some military police

Exactly 😂

It is fantasy and all, but the idea of spinning with one sword being held with a reverse grip seems weird, on one hand(pun wasn't intended), it's comfortable for swinging to one direction with two swords, but on the other hand(again), I don't think you could put much power into the swing

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saun lee coetzee I wanna hear the story for this one.

I can believe that. Shorter blades lens themselves to icepick grip better than longer swords.

yea i also thought it was meant for defensive action, like how a police holds a nightstick

Yeah the ice pick grip is mainly used for super close quarters and requires a massive amount of training. Depending on the situation some will switch back to a conventional hold but doing so also requires quite a bit of training to get a smooth and efficient transition between holds.

If I see ice-pick I move in the opposite way of his weapon and rush in, staying at maximum range.

⦅orpseてhief derSadist well police nightsticks aren’t really ice pick method since their not blades and also they are more closely related to tonfa which is more of a gauntlet like weapon

How do you know what killing is like because I’ve been watching a bunch of HEMA videos and people are talking about fighting to the death and stuff I really wanna get into this sport but I’m a little scared

he said it had some effective strikes but far less

Henbot I got that, it just looks really awkward to use.

He hasn't practiced with that grip at all I suspect, which is making it far more awkward. If he was well-practiced with that grip it would be more elegant. EDIT 1: Silly me hitting s instead of shift.

Venser's Prodigy agreed

well, think of it like, if you're right handed, and you use a sword in your left.... you'd look awkward too.this is actually a very effective wielding technique.... but it lends it's self more to defense. deflection, close quarters, and trapping than attacks..... but if you KNOW HOW to use it, it's actually pretty effective, not to mention, if using a shorter blade weapon, maybe even something not quite a full sword, but not a dagger, against a person with a long sword, in close proximity. the advantage is on you. being more nimble with a blade. and able to move a bit quicker

Problem is that a figure 8 swing doesn't really pack much of a punch.

You have almost no strength with almost any slash using a reverse grip. Yes, you have access to a powerful downward thrust, but the trouble is getting to a point where you can put it into play. You wanna do "quick jabs"? Do it in standard grip. It's called a thrust and it's incredibly effective.

Exactly

If you cab spin at the speed of d sound sure it's useful

you could do the same things with a standard grip most of the time

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See why I said it's limited? People keep saying "it's for use in this and that very specific situation" (for which the standard grip works just as well) but it has severe weaknesses otherwise.

+Skallagrim the montante has clear disadvantages, yet in the right condition is a great weapon. everything has a disadvantage skall. It's not a really effective thing to do, but it might prove useful in that exact set of condition.

The difference between this and the Montante, is that there are pros to using the Montante (reach and momentum most notably). The reverse grip, by comparison offers virtually no advantages. You are correct that every weapon has its pros and cons, but the reverse grip in particular (at least with regards to sword fighting) is pretty much a straight downgrade from the orthodox grip in every way, and offers no compensating advantages, just a (very) small handful of things it does as well.

+Stewart Keenan I totally agree, I can't use it, but that's just me biased by my knowledge. maybe there is a swordsman out there that is versed and can actually show us a couple of techniques actually worth it. again, most people couldn't use it, and I don't think there is anybody that can right now, but it might work in the right context.

It sounds at first like it might be good for closed spaces. where you haven't got room to swing a sword, however you could always move a hand onto the blade itself in a conventional grip.

Best dual wielding is sword on the right hand and gun on the other

In my experience, only useful for really fast surprise attack if you do double slashes. The first is an undercut, the second is sideways.. And you need to do the fast. And I think you can perform it pretty fast. But then switch a grip of course, that why I use this grip in my “weaker” arm tho I’m better with the reverse grip on this one. So I do hand switch? This is a question because I’m not sure if it would give advantages for the opponent. What do you think

I mean if you were to perfect this it would be effective if you used your hands and a variety of knees and kicks while closing the distance while switching when needed

Drake ICN with enough practice and skill you can win a competition like that with a dagger, but at that level there is no reason to other than showing off.

Drake ICN yeah ill have to pass up on that 👀

Doktor Dovakiin dual wielding swords lol

Doktor Dovakiin Sword and Dagger maybe, but never two swords.

Skallagrim himself has done a video on dual wielding swords. It has been done historically, albeit very rarely. Usually with a shorter sword in the off-hand.

Doktor Dovakiin I thought about that too.

Dual welding is incredibly effective. I often combine grips like this and spar with 2 different styles. I'm ambidextrous so it's definetely my best option. Even a novice can become much better at defending and countering with dual swords. And if that's not enough for you, their offensive capabilities are still really intimidating.

One of the classic blunders

I think it is good for very close range combat or confine space while standard grip can't easily maneuver. I remember reading a Wikipedia page talks about reverse grip for sword only appears in Japan Meiji restoration period because standard Katana was outlawed to carry around and sword become shorter and conceal in a cane. (Before that, the reverse grip is consider dishonor) I assume The reverse grip on European side is solely for dagger.

The hilt would have to move quite a distance from there to the face, which gives the opponent plenty of time to react. And a false edge cut from that position would be a weak slicing action only, not a full powered cut.

***** In short: The reverse grip is rather shitty with swords. The only use I can see for it would be with grappling.

I would actually be a little skeptical from a grappling perspective unless you're talking about using the sword as a crowbar. My experience is with FMA though, so I'm a little bias towards using the hilt as a small hook

I have to agree with you. For example, if I blocked like he does at 2:10, my next instinct is to grab my opponent's hand and then bring my sword up to cut across his neck. However, reverse grip would not be my primary way of fighting. The only time I'd feel compelled to primarily use a reverse grip is if my opponent is laying prone on the ground and I'm going for an "execution stab" (plunging my blade straight down through him to finish him off).

Kill! Kill!

so, ive been practicing reverse grip, and ive gotta say, its not a fencing technique; reverse grip is mostly cutting and slashing. that being said, two handed sword grips are often used for cutting technques, and when i tried this myself, i found that you get more power over the limited motions produced by reverse grip (it takes a certain bit of flourish to get good momentum in this style, something you need to practice with the same dedication as standard grip). while i found the two handed grip to be effective for producing momentum in cramped circuimstances, its very limiting of range and angle.

Exactly. Skall even mentions that icepick grip is pretty useful with knives. It's just that it becomes a hindrance with longer blades.

Iirc the Florentine Style includes a dagger in the offhand utilizing a reverse grip for parrying.

For dual swords you use your offhand as a parry and your main to attack, usually reverse grip because of movement. If you use reverse grip to parry, you open your chest most of the times if the hit's going from the opposite side of your offhand. You use the fact that your off is in a normal stance to parry because of that you have more movility and usually more options, and the reverse is just for slices and follow-ups

Imo the best dual wielding is one short sword with a forward grip and a gun in the other one

I think you have the right of it. It has some limited, very situational uses that should not be ignored, but it is severely limiting for most combat purposes.

Yes it's called boku no pico

@@snek8930 Goku no Picollo

+style

+ power only for strikes from specific arcs - power for all other arcs

+power in tight quarters +strong guard -passing guard

No, definitely a - to power. And a - to defense, as well.

I studied kuk sool for 20 years. the reverse grip form they teach is mostly garbage. the only thing it really does is build some arm muscle. yes, it's a close quarters technique for when you find yourself in a hallway or a building with no room to swing a sword in the normal manner, but that's about it. best thing you can do with a reverse grip and a sword is throw it like a spear...and then hope you have a second weapon. p.s. throwing swords is also kinda stupid.

Try holding it like a sai with your thumb around the guard on the top side of the blade (if you're using a 1 edged sword) and switching back and forth by twirling around the diagonal axis between the blade and the guard like you would a sai. that might be much more viable.

those are daggers

Sai are not really daggers. They have relatively blunt tips, and they're designed kind of specifically to be useful in reverse grip as well. It's not even really a traditional reverse grip. The pommel is hardened, and basically functions like an extension to your punching techniques, while the "blade" of the sai is used to guard and catch weapons.

As Death said, it really is its own thing. Sure, many knife techniques can be used with a sai, a sai is closer to a punch dagger, but with some of the best defensive capabilities of any weapon, bar a shield. Yes I consider shields weapons.

My favorite Saber form ;)

Galen Marek!

Even form V practitioners rarely used a reverse grip.Especially Shien style since it mostly revolved around blaster fire reflection.

Kenan Šabić which is why I stated the shien variation specifically because that's what style uses a reverse grip.

Nah, form III all the way.

You're thinking in RPG terms i feel.

Then why not use a dagger?

So you think that harder and longer are better ?

The ice pick grip is pretty damn effective with a shorter blade like a knife or dagger, but no. Swords are simply not intended to be used that way. With a knife you maintain your effective speed and it's smaller so it doesn't get tangled up with your opponents blade, or worse your own arm.

Still the normal grip is better. In knife fightning normal grip is better in every aspect than reversed.

That would be the most effective way to implement it, yes.

i mean you mentioned it before that dual wielding is very difficult with the exact same sword

This is exactly what I'm trying to research right now. I have kinda semi- taught myself how to do this, and it works pretty well for me with no training