Know your swingweight?

I just ordered the same setup. How did you take out 5g? Also what are your ss and spin numbers with it? Thanks!

I will revisit this with GC4 soon. Once I have my studio complete.

Yeah, a little suspect there's no talk of dispersion and strike location. They don't even show the shots falling down range.

I got a 45 gram Prolaunch R and added a Callaway Green Tour Sleeve so I could quickly switch out my 65 gram HZRDUS Smoke S. Never looked back.

I just bought the same Garaffalloy PL Blue 45g in A flex and am absolutely falling in love with the results. I've been playing the Fuji Motore X F1 6X for the past 2 years with great success. I think the trick with a shaft like this is to turn down the loft about as low as you can. The launch is much higher than a shaft like the Ventus Black so turning down the loft should still give great launch results and reduce the spin. I've got mine plugged into a PXG Gen5 9° turned down to 7.5°. with no effort, my static launch is 12-14°, SS up from 110 to 112 without any extra speed training, and spin between 1800-2200. My hard pull miss into the next fairway over has turned into a 300 yd push into the right rough. At $60 from GG or Golfworks, it's a bonkers combo!

I like that shaft but 50 gram for me and regular flex (for now).

Can I ask what your club head speed is? Thx. I just bought a used Cal. ST Max LS head that I'm going to fit a 40 gram shaft. I have a slow swing speed. 85 mph, so I'm torn between a Senior Flex or Ladies Flex. What do you think? Thx.

@@Kazyman my driver swing speed is about 90-92. Driver distance is about 230-250 average

any feedback?

That PX really should match up well against the 505xx. It was just a bit stiff when compared against the 505 we were using.

@@EFGMC I found a 4.0 flex like you had mentioned, to better match my pedestrian SS🤣

I prefer motore r7 its easier to control than the motore on r9. *ps. I have both

The dispersion was comparable in the Motore vs Autoflex. I have not done a followup with fairways etc. Also was thinking about an iron video.

Tired of all those 500 yard drives.

@@johnkurtz7705 you know it bro! I am sick long! Well actually I am pretty long. I just would never buy a $500 shaft. I guess that is how I ended up retiring at 51. Being one cheap ass bastard!

Autoflex is actually $800

@@johnsnider2094 I love it when someone proves my point even further. Is that US dollars? I was using pounds.

Blows my mind that people would actually buy that shaft. I have the same motore x setup they are using in my cobra ltdx LS for under half what the autoflex cost. Yep $800 us dollar

Which Autoflex do you use and which PX weight/flex did you try. Just trying to get context. The Riptide we used in the video was for sure a good bit stiffer than the Autoflex we used.

@@EFGMC 505xx Stealth plus at 45.5”, D1. I have the PX Riptide SB in the 40g 5.0 in the same length and SW but with a Callaway tip. Thanks for the reply!

Yes. You are right on. Doesn't have to be this shaft. I've said it before you can drop 2 weight classes and 2 flexes and take advantage of the same idea. I just think this is a good shaft for the money and have actually tested it to show it works.

@@EFGMC I may have asked on a previous video, but is there a torque range to stay within for a roughly 110 ss?

@@biggregg5 Torque values on shafts I pay very little attention to. I have always said, if you get the right weight, flex, and launch specs, then the manufacturer's torque on that particular shaft will be fine. It is going to be a little different when talking about this Autoflex matching stuff, the numbers will be a good bit higher. However I don't think the torque is ever the reason if a shaft doesn't work for you. The Autoflex doesn't work for everyone, more aggressive swings will have issues, but again that is the whole shaft not just the torque.

@@EFGMC Thanks!

These were all 45.5 inch playing length. A shorter shaft in this make up will be no different than a shorter shaft in any version. The shaft will play stiffer until you add weight back to the head to get the feel back. Then the flex will come back. It's totally golfer dependent as to what length gives you the best chance to make consistent contact with the club face.

@@EFGMC Thanks for the information and confirming my suspicion. When I went to the 44.25 length driver I changed the sole weights to give it the same swing weight as the stock (45.5 inch) diver.

@@EFGMC I take it a 45.5 playing means including the club head.

@@justmythought1586 Correct.

@@EFGMC One more question: if I currently play a R-flex shaft what flex would I try in the Moretore, A or Ladies?

If you can find a Mitsubishi Grand Bassera (spelling?) in the 40g version, light flex. It's discontinued but I think you can still locate them on eBay.

The data showed the Motore X was slightly wider in dispersion in this particular test than the Autoflex or the original Motore. However it was also the longest of the 3 so a miss would naturally be slightly greater. That said, he hit all 3 shafts similarly.

I am still waiting for him to send those wedges too. Never said in the video that YOU have to pay shipping. Gonna report him on Friday to YT...this is a scam!!!

Yes that was a scam. I haven't selected the wedge giveaway winners yet.

@@EFGMC It matters to me. I am turning all my correspondence over to YT and let them handle it...text messages and all.

Yes, I believe it's the same. Length would not change anything when comparing to an Autoflex at the same length.

@@EFGMC Thank You for the input, also congrats on the new place/business. Where are you/your business located?

@@joshanderson5075 Thanks. Atlanta, GA

Exactly. Plenty of fitters don't want you to know this. Most pros keep the same shaft (both woods and irons) for years and years. They will switch heads but the shafts stay the same.

Probably L flex right at 50g if you want to match the 405 Autoflex. But if you are close to 100 still, you could do a low 50g A flex shaft.

@@EFGMC thank you. Currently using a Riptide r flex and swing just around 100. Will try the a flex and tip the shaft one inch.

@@thegolfingmusician6345 Just remember the 1 inch tipping will split the difference between the A and R flex so the change from the R will be pretty minimal.

@@EFGMC thank you for sharing your knowledge. Very appreciated.

Yes, pretty close other than one step stiffer in R.

Would it be similar to the Riptide blue shaft Mr Shortgame hit that he said was stiffer? Thanks again!

@@JOHN-hk7hg Probably in the same ballpark.

Been playing around with the Vista Pro model as well because it gives me some lighter weight options for people who may already be starting out in sub 60g shafts.

I think 2100 spin gets dangerous. I like 2500 much more unless you are on the long drive circuit. If you aren't on the screws at 2100, the ball can get hard to control. Not sure about Bryson comment. I don't think his swing is built for this sort of flexible shaft. From what I have seen, it works better for more deliberate tempo golfers.

Can't say for sure if it will or won't. But it is as likely to work as the Autoflex. Not every golfer will benefit from super light and flexible.

I personally thought this Motore played a little stiff vs the 505 we were comping it to. I would probably try this same shaft Motor F3 5 R2, but tipped 1 inch. I think that would give you a close feel to the xx version.

Thx a lot for your (really fast) ansmer.

Dumb.

I do build and ship clubs. Email me with what you were interested in. adam@elitefitgolf.com

I would like to know this as well

Correct. L flex and high 40s gram weight would be closest.

The X was not tipped in order to match up with the 505. If I was trying to match the 505X, I would tip it. Someone told me the white version was used in Cobra drivers from that time.

You can get most any new irons with heavier swing weights (ie heavier heads) when you order them or have them built. My first recommendation would be to buy a roll of lead tape and go to the range. Start adding strips of tape (2 inch strips) to the back of the cavity and hit some balls. Keep adding weight until you find the right combo of feel and consistency for your swing. Then you can use one of the online swing weight calculators or take the club to a shop to weigh it so you know what SW you prefer.

@@EFGMC thanks.

Depending on speed, you would probably need to move into a different shaft to get the correct flex feel at slower swing speeds.

The real “trick” is dropping 10g and 2 flexes from what you currently use. Might need to move into a 40 class shaft if currently using 50g weight class for example.

@@EFGMC ok that makes sense. Thanks

Also if you have a video that shows how to reduce the swing weight on this potential club given that I am adding a lighter shaft I would assume that the swing weight will be heavier. Will I need to add a counterbalance at the butt end to achieve my goals or look for a heavier grip to lighten the swing weight. Thanks again.

The Oban raw weight is 67g and the Motore is 57 so it's a bit of a drop. You could find another shaft that is in the upper 40g weight and light flex if you want to try and capture more speed.

@@tlavery59 Lighter shafts will actually decrease the SW assuming the balance point is similar and the length stays the same.

@@EFGMC Thanks for the reply, I swing at a D2 swing weight so if I go to a 50g or lower should it be a senior stiffness? And if I go with the Motore X F3 should it be the R2 or just the R? Thanks

I like the Smoke Blue RDX more than the smoke Black but you can get those Smoke Black shafts dirt cheap at this point so hard to pass that up if you already know you like it.

He responded to my exact question above check it out.

All these shafts measured out to 45.5 inches. Dispersion was pretty close on all three. He was slightly more accurate according to Trackman with the Autoflex and the original Motore, than the Motore X however they were all very close.

@@EFGMC thanks for the reply, very helpful.

Not at all. Similar shafts will yield similar results assuming they are of similar quality. There may be small differences but those will often be less noticeable the longer you use the shaft.

Sure. Again the most important thing is matching the specs. Low 50g weight, Light flex or similar, mid launch. You could find some discontinued quality shafts that would fit in that price point.

Thx. Is it hard to keep the club face square with a high swing speed being flex is much lower

@@glenbarker3310 That will totally depend on the golfer. Realize you don't see any PGA guys using the Autoflex at this point so it clearly didn't work for them. A super light, flexible shaft will help some people but not others. Won't know until you try.

Hey @glen Barker I recently picked up a Garafalloy ProLaunch Blue 45g A flex from Golf Galaxy for $60 new. My stock SS is 110 to give you some reference. There is a list of different options you could look at in the $60 range from either Golf Galaxy or Golfworks. Other options are the UST V2 HL F2-A, or V2 F2-A, Aldila NXT Gen NVS Orange 54g A flex. I will throw out the disclaimer that the feeling is something to get used to. It will take a range session or 2 before you have your timing figured out.. but when you do, you adapt and completely forget about the XS label because the club just becomes a thrill to hit.

@@AZstu324 thanks for the info. I will definitely look into it. I’m always will to tinker lol

Actually thinking about it also the Air Speeder 40 in R2 might also work. Both of these are high quality shafts. Any thoughts or comments are appreciated and data is always helpful... 🙂

@@jimdurnin9554 I have both those shafts in my studio. I need to try them and see how they feel. No reason they shouldn't work.

No you're not. I have had other people tell me they used the same idea with 3 and 5 woods.

Part of what makes the Autoflex idea work is that you are in many cases dropping head weight, and big surprise, that makes you swing it faster. Of course the exact same result would happen with any driver. It's really something you need to experiment with and see if the reduced weight gives you better speed without compromising accuracy.

@@EFGMC Thats not entirely true, a shaft like auto flex is designed to use a lighter head weight to make the shaft flex correctly and load up to maximize power and stability. You throw a light weight head on a regular stiff shaft and yes you will swing it faster but now you just made the shaft much stiffer and have poor results.

I never got that info from the TM data, but being there watching they were both very similar and probably around 13 to 14 launch angle.

Butt trim usually.

It's going to feel stiffer and be about 8g heavier. Won't be Autoflex like at those specs though you still might hit it great. Again my rule for this method is 10g and 2 flexes softer to get a Autoflex feel.

@@EFGMC Ah, ok, if wanting the autoflex feel. Got it. So the dude hitting the drivers in the video would normally play a stiff shaft in his own gamer or reg? Assuming he wasn't after the autoflex feel that is. His swing speed is in the 100 mph range? Think I will grab the Motore FX 3 5R2 (if I can find one) anyways and test 'er out.

@@cryptoking8060 Depending on who you were referring to in the videos. Mr. Shortgame has SS around 106 I think. Keenan is around 112. The starting point to use is whatever shaft flex and weight you typically use in a driver and then drop weight and flex from there.

I didn't tip the R2, I tipped the original white version. 1 inch tipping adds a half flex to a shaft.

No he is hitting what Fuji terms R2, but that is really the Senior or Light flex shaft.

@@EFGMC okay, you didn’t address the question, didn’t explain anything. Assuming a 104 mph like him, what makes him able to swing a softer shaft like that effectively? Is it just rhythm, kick point,. Is there that little difference in shaft flex with some manufacturers?

@@buddymaxwell6881 The important thing is not the particular flex. Some golfers will be able to hit softer flexes, some won't or at least won't feel confident with it to play it on the course. It's going to be personal preference. I can't tell someone for sure that a light flex will be better than a R or S. Will depend on the golfer, the swing, the tempo, the transition speed.

No I would probably go 10g lighter and a flex softer like in the Fujikura Vista Pro 40 R3

Specs just added to description

Actually he is in Blue Ventus now. This setup isn't for everyone. There is a reason why no one to my knowledge is using Autoflex on the PGA Tour at this moment. Whole point is you don't need Autoflex to get same results. Whether those results are better for you is a different question.

@@EFGMC , I know. That’s why I watch your videos. You give some good advice on how we can save some money and get the same results. It’s not the arrow, it’s the Indian.

I might look at the Vista Pro line in the 45g weight and the lightest flex option. The shaft in the video would still work but you might get more out of the even softer/lighter shaft.

Yes, if the CB works for you then the non would also.

I think the Ventus is the best shaft out there for the money by far. But again, if you match the specs of a particular shaft in weight, flex, and launch the results will be pretty similar over time.

The exact match for autoflex 405 ?

45.5

The Axiom? Comes in different weights.