My Problem With Arch Linux Packaging

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6 ай бұрын

I love Arch Linux but recently, more like for the past couple of months the Hyprland package has been incredibly out of date with no resolution in site but this was never a problem back when the dev made the package in the AUR so maybe there's a better way to handle out of date packages.
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Hyprland Package: archlinux.org/packages/extra/...
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AUR Hyprland: aur.archlinux.org/packages/hy...
Hyprland Installation: wiki.hyprland.org/Getting-Sta...
AUR Submission Guidelines: wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_...
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@vaxryy

Hm, maybe I should distribute Hyprland solely as an Official™ Snap™

@Linuxdirk

This unfortunately is not Hyprland-specific. The Arch packages repository currently has 971 packages flagged out of date. Some of them last updated 2+ years ago!

@SeresHotes25

The core problem is that we have so many package managers, so many packages, so many repos, but so little maintainers

@MiukuMac

Luckily we have 5000 distributions and 10 different packaging methods. What we really need is even more.

@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115

laughs in Debian

@bjbboy71697

i like the way Gentoo does it. You can add "overlay" repos from external sources (guru being the officially sanctioned aur equivalent essentially), but they are masked by default. So, a overlay package will not override an official one unless you specifically unmask the package. Keeps everything clean, but you can explicitly do whatever the heck you want if that's what you want.

@SkylerLinux

Arch Forum jerks love to say "Now that you know how to do it yourself don't use AUR Helpers" Yet I'm like yeah but YAY tells when when packages are flagged out of date

@paulgupta2454

Archive is a horrible word for it. Stale is better. Archive means that it's not going to get more updates. At least in terms of GitHub, which is a big definer for software lingo

@satnififu

This is why I eventually ditched Arch for Tumbleweed. Corporate distros may not be at their popularity peak as of late, but having people whose JOB is to maintain your distro's packages definitely does something for update consistency

@1qwerasdzxcvfrtgb

Hyprland is great! Until I have to start looking through the wiki...

@acuteaura

given the level of maturity of the hyprland developers (plus bonus the transphobia), maybe you should be 2-3 weeks behind upstream. just in case.

@leopard3131

This sort of thing happens in every distro when there are insufficient package maintainers official or user repo. Arch is not as bad as the ppa or copr. Generally I go to upstream in these cases but for large or complex projects it is not always so easy either. Moving repos is painful now you have to add and maintain a whole new repo and migrating packages between reps is a pain for the reasons you stated.

@GaryGreene1977

As someone that has in the past worked on the RPM5 project, I'd recommend moving this to a metadata flag set. All package information is stored server side, so when the metadata is regenerated server side, it could include an "upstream version" tag in the data set. Yes, this does require changes to pacman, and would require some mechanism put in place to probe for new releases from upstream (using a feed from freecode, mayby???), but I think this is more doable, and far less disruptive than moving things between repos

@Spencer-wc6ew

I always saw the core idea to FOSS was that just anyone can be like "I'll fix this myself".

@LeonWhite

I have been packaging for Alpine lately and it is really easy to get new packages added to `testing`. But the fact is that actually maintaining the packages and keeping them building as new versions come out is incredibly hard, time consuming work (particularly with musl libc). There needs to be better funding for professional maintainers.

@darkmtbg

The biggest flaw i had with arch was FFMPG not being updated on the official packages, to the lastest version while the AUR version of a package was expecting the newest version was there.that opened up the door for flatpak on my system to get that packages to ensure stability for that program.

@IceAce1

There is an extra-testing repo.

@TheB3n0

I love how you described DWL. I tried it and came to realization that I don't hate myself enough to use it

@Beryesa.

This makes me think of the new-ish flatpak warning for out of date apps. Maybe a big number of alerts pinging other maintainers would be a demand mechanism and someone can claim it temporarily (like the how translations work) and reviewing MRs for popular packages would be much faster?