My Thoughts on Holosun's EPS-CARRY

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The EPS-Carry offers a whole lot to the discerning concealed carrier - low deck hight, clear glass, and an enclosed emitter that is 1000% guaranteed to prevent your Cheeto dust from falling into your optic and getting you kilt in da streetz! I've really liked mine for the last 500 rounds. What do you think?
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0:00 Intro
0:15 Which one I have
0:31 Features
1:30 Enclosed emitter for CC
2:15 Downside?
2:38 Big Tex Ordinance
3:10 Cost - EPS Variants
3:49 My thoughts
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@michaels5210 Жыл бұрын

I didn’t realize how nice a closed emitter was for concealed carry until I finally got one and it’s such a quality of life improvement. It’s not a factor to be overlooked

@JohnnyQ Жыл бұрын

Great review!

@normwilson117 Жыл бұрын

always well done..concise, thoughtful delivery; grateful

@NightwoodGuns Жыл бұрын

Great video! Definitely the best "micro-dot" on the market right now for concealed carry.

@v.german11b Жыл бұрын

Excellent review! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@jamesablanco Жыл бұрын

Thank you, was looking for a review of the HoloSun EPS-Carry and I got one for my new Sig 365x macro :) also used your code, Thanks!

@zx9rmadman400 5 ай бұрын

ur videos are so awesome! very helpful and informative!

@Scarywoody Жыл бұрын

Great video. I didn't appreciate the EPS concept until this. I have a Holosun 407 and it has been great. Bix Tex is a great company. Tell them a joke on your order and they send candy.

@kevint1911 Жыл бұрын

I have a 507 K because I wanted the smaller dot size. I prefer the simple dot w/o the circle. I carry my pistol almost every day and I’m here to say the brightness setting will affect battery life. My battery lasts me about 9-10 months. I suggest keeping one or 2 spares on hand because until you learn how long yours will last you don’t want to get caught with a dead sight when you need it. Change the battery before you expect to need to so you’re covered. Another reason to pick the smaller dot is because the dot can appear a bit larger as you increase the brightness, but the larger 6 MOA dot can’t appear smaller. I’m a fan of the closed emitter option but haven’t committed the funds yet. I have yet to have something obscure my emitter but I recognize it is a possibility.

@JG-di5gu Жыл бұрын

Great video review!! I am running the EPS 6moa on my Walther PDP compact. I like the enclosed emitter vs my SRO on my full size.

@ifly64s Жыл бұрын

Great review! I have the 507k MRS and now the EPS Carry 6 MOA dot. I prefer the 6 MOA dot and I love being able to just wipe off the lens of the EPS Carry.

@thesig301 Жыл бұрын

If the window is fogging up inside the ENCLOSED window then return it… it’s supposed to be water proof and nothing should get inside

@nmdesignco Жыл бұрын

I think it might be a potentiality of fogging on the *outside* due to sudden temperature change. I wonder if it's a vacuum seal...

@QtheLaserDude 6 ай бұрын

The site claims water resistance, not water proof. Yes, fog is bad and unintended, but I see people dunking the thing for minutes, then complaining about it not performing as advertised. IPX6 water resistance rating. IPX7 can dunk up to a meter for 30 minutes, this is IPX 6, not rated for submersion.

@brianc0019 7 ай бұрын

To the point - excellent vid 👍🏾

@chrismcneil2569 Жыл бұрын

My 365X came with a Romeo0 which is like the stock Glock sights of the red dot world. I swapped it to a 407K after looking at the Trijicon RMR-CC. The EPS carry was not available yet when I swapped but I am interested. 407 k has worked very well but the build up of chips and queso/lint etc gets old quickly.

@MrKThomas1976 Жыл бұрын

Great video as always, I actually just picked up my own Holosun eps carry mrs I got mine in green love the color choice, I have yet to get to the range to site it in, I’ve been waiting to get hold of one since his release last summer and has taken me this long to get one as soon as it’s in stock it’s sold out, so I’m excited to use it on my P 365X macron (my EDC)🤗

@lawlinyourface 10 ай бұрын

I just got one at academy after waiting a year! Just wish it was green but it’ll do. A great addition to my daily carry.

@charlesl5226 Жыл бұрын

Love the hockey tape on the grip. Been doing that for some time and I thinks it’s better then getting a stipple job.

@uglydogg4995 Жыл бұрын

Great video!

@BrandensOutdoorChannel Жыл бұрын

I've had the EPS Carry since November 2022. It's on my EDC M&P Shield Plus Performance Center. Great optic with solar backup and the Green reticle works better for my astigmatism. 50K hours is like 2 years. I leave it on auto-adjust and if the battery dies, it will still run in ambient or sunlight. I got it for $370 shipped.

@tatedoh Жыл бұрын

Is the eps carry better for astigmatism vs the 407/507?

@BrandensOutdoorChannel Жыл бұрын

@@tatedoh same but green usually is better.

@Vanessadelanoy Жыл бұрын

Found this vid at the perfect time! Looking into grabbing a red dot but was unsure which way to go for my Sig P365 Rose

@762x69 Жыл бұрын

Who came up with that description of cheeto dust and getting killd in da streetz 😂😂

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

Hahaha I was interested do see if anyone was actually reading the description! 😂😂

@earthwormandruw Жыл бұрын

My question is how ate these ppl eating Cheetos that they get dust on their reddots?

@kevint1911 Жыл бұрын

@@earthwormandruw if you know….you know. You know?

@earthwormandruw Жыл бұрын

The only comparison I can think of is going to the beach and finding sand in places you had forgotten even existed when you get home.

@chuckmassey5597 Жыл бұрын

Great video I will have to check one out.

@zyzzuschrist3410 Жыл бұрын

A video not uploaded on a Friday but a Sunday? I’m here for it

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

Trying something new! Thanks for the feedback 😊

@Airbnb-with-me Жыл бұрын

Thanks your awesome -I love my 407 and 507k And also my 507xc

@danielhady3021 Жыл бұрын

I got an EPS Carry in the 6moa green dot. I like it. I've had the Romeo zero the last 2 years, and the EPS Carry is a nice improvement. The dot is very crisp and clear, the more durable enclosure and lenses is also a plus. I'm very pleased so far, only got it a few days ago lol.

@luciengutierrez431 Жыл бұрын

You wouldn’t go back and get the 2 MOA if you could start over? Is the 6 really big?

@danielhady3021 Жыл бұрын

@@luciengutierrez431 no I like the 6moa. Tbh it's not that much larger over a smaller dot. Like many things with pistols, it's very nuanced. I got the 6moa dot because I wanted something easy to pick up and I'm not a precision shooter so I'm not worried about accuracy. At the distances you'll shoot in a defensive scenario, it's a tack driver. I've made several changes to my gun. Use a WC XL grip, weight kit, aluminum base pads, magguts +2 kit, extended mag release. I'll eventually add an extended slide stop, I shoot lefty so a little more ledge would be nice. I also just ordered a threaded barrel and comp to try out. I've noticed reduced recoil with the extra weight of my components, and I'm sure the tlr7 sub has helped with that some as well.

@gearscouter Жыл бұрын

First video I‘ve seen from you. Nice voice and calm video. Good to see some woman get into gun yt 👌

@phenom7181 Жыл бұрын

Best carry optic PERIOD!

@jsirius94 Жыл бұрын

I got one of the 6moa non solar ones from the first run that was available, I love it on my P365X. I did get the 507k for my wife as the ACSS Vulcan is available for that model, it is going to be mounted on her new P365XL Rose

@dohyunlee193 6 ай бұрын

Nice, just got mine today at psa for my p365x. Basic 2 moa green version. Did you direct mount it to your 365 (without included plate), and if so, did you use the screws it came with?

@josueneris1861 Жыл бұрын

🔥🔥🔥

@ja0298 Жыл бұрын

I’ve had my EPS carry for about 4 months now. Mine is a red 2 moa dot. It replaced a 507k. I had a problem with the distortion on the 507k plus dust and sweat getting into it at work. Eventually I’ll replace the 407c on my 19 with the standard EPS. I regulated the romeo zero to a 322. My EPS carry is mounted on a 365x with a WC grip, PMM comp, and TLR7 sub.

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

That sounds like an awesome set up!

@ja0298 Жыл бұрын

@@tessahbooth it’s pretty much replaced my g19. Carries very well in a Henry holsters ember.

@d3ltaohniner261 Жыл бұрын

@ja0298 the Ember is what I'm looking at getting for mine, just got the TLR7 Sub in today.

@ja0298 Жыл бұрын

@@d3ltaohniner261 very cool. At some point I’m going to get a second one intended for the macro/tlr7 sub. I plan on doing a grip chop to the macro frame to take it to a XL length (flush with the 12 round mags).

@carllove3705 Жыл бұрын

I'm really looking forward to that comparison video of the three Holosun optics. Please get it to us.

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

It’ll be up tomorrow at 12pm MST! If you hit the notification bell next to the subscribe button it’ll notify you when it’s up 😊👍🏻

@GBCNBSN Жыл бұрын

just here to say nice edits and informatics displays.

@bradaen Жыл бұрын

Cool setup. Does the phlsr setup allow for the thumb safety well?

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

It does!

@AFGixxeR88 Жыл бұрын

Been wanting one just not sure which model to get. People say 6 moa is better for carry others say the 2moa is better. Use to carrying a 3.25 dot

@crypto1300 Жыл бұрын

Aloha from Hawaii's 2A community 🤙🏾

@jaydee5156 Жыл бұрын

I have Romeo Zeroes on my Sigs. Neither are carried, so durability isn't really a concern. Both have performed very well for me. I have Holosuns on some of my other handguns, with good results there too. Should one of the Romeos fail, both will likely be replaced by an EPS, but I just want a dot, so I'll go with the less expensive variant.

@CMH_1975 Жыл бұрын

I had a 507k on my 365XL and didn't have a dot on my 365X. I made my XL a Macro several months ago so I put a EPS Carry on it. I never used anything other than the dot on my 507k so I chose the green 6moa model. I sold the 507k and bought a green 407k and put it on my 365X to have the same dot. Loving both of them.

@jaydee5156 Жыл бұрын

@@CMH_1975 l have couple of 407k's, one green and one red on some other handguns. Very happy with both.

@billbog25 Жыл бұрын

3:56 nice holster

@stantonkramer2986 Жыл бұрын

EPS carry is nice. But if you want the MRS dot option That is standard on the 507k x2 the price goes thru the roof and costs almost as much as the gun. A red dot newbie can get very confused if you don’t know which MOA you will like.

@davva360 Жыл бұрын

I have the Holosun 507K and Holosun 407K and love both of them. Don’t see a reason to upgrade right now but maybe the comparison will convince me otherwise. I only have the two guns that are optics ready though so I really don’t need a third. Will take some convincing LOL

@jasonlong8625 11 ай бұрын

How well does the auto mode make adjustments? Does it work better than manual mode?

@q2xlkevin Жыл бұрын

Very Good Review, I'm looking to buy one for my Glock 48.

@danielmoy6633 Жыл бұрын

How much is the overhang on a g48 with this?

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

@@danielmoy6633 I’ll be sure to show some close up on that in the next video!

@jaycoleman1862 Жыл бұрын

It was hard for me to tell in the video. How does the size compare to the 507k?

@davidlatting3789 Жыл бұрын

You can get them for much cheaper than those prices. I got my eps carry mrs (red) for $399.99 total price shipped.

@tomjackson3328 Жыл бұрын

I recently bought an EPS carry for my Hellcat Pro (works well with C&H precision plate) and I love it. How did you mount your EPS carry for the P365? I have a P365xl Spectre Comp and the EPS carry didn't fit in there by itself. Might buy another one to upgrade that setup as well if you can tell me how you mounted yours.

@ccep9 Жыл бұрын

I have a sc comp as well, ordered the qvo tactical screws dropped right in directly without the plate. Still have to bring it to the range for zero in since I just got it a few days ago.

@tomjackson3328 Жыл бұрын

@@ccep9 Thank you. Just ordered them to try it out.

@adam45011 Жыл бұрын

I have the EPS full size and it hangs over the sides of my pistol some, but I can’t tell at all while it’s holstered. Been carrying it for 3 months with zero issues.

@LastGateFitness Жыл бұрын

What pistol do you have it mounted to?

@adam45011 Жыл бұрын

@@LastGateFitness Hellcat, original size. I carry appendix and I CANNOT feel a difference between the EPS full-size and my previous Holosun 507k x2.

@thebarefootadventurer8467 Жыл бұрын

I'd be curious about your thoughts on the Sig XMacro

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

Haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet!

@rangersmith4652 Жыл бұрын

Based on your reviews and others', I've ordered an EPS Carry Green 6 for my P365. I'm not a fan of appendix carry, so I'm trying out a Crossbreed Supertuck (a bit old school, I know) that I wear at 7:30 (yes, I'm a lefty) or at 11:30 if I decide to give appendix another go.

@pondacres 5 ай бұрын

I'm a lefty too, I found appendix great, as in cross draw. Try it to the right of your zipper, the butt prints that way less too.

@rangersmith4652 5 ай бұрын

@@pondacres I'll give that a try. Thanks.

@offshoresavage6608 Жыл бұрын

That sas in this video. 😂I’m here for it. 💁🏻‍♂️

@salkopenava5899 8 ай бұрын

Did you use the plate or use direct mount?

@foxman907 10 ай бұрын

I got the same red dot you have. 😊

@mcmehlen Жыл бұрын

Anyone else have distortion when the circle dot is towards the edge of the glass?

@BigAl1344 Жыл бұрын

Anyone know if I need to use the mounting plate on my 365xl?

@wheeler71 Жыл бұрын

Thx for the info 👍 🎯 ; still looking at RDS so opinion is appreciated; stay safe carry on 🔫🇺🇲

@Blankford777 9 ай бұрын

Wow it looks great after having 500 rounds put through it ;)

@ezyrhino Жыл бұрын

How is it for concealment? It looks a tad bit blockier than the 507K, did you run into printing problems?

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

I really didn’t notice a huge difference in concealment, but it is ever so slightly wider. I’ll definitely touch on that in the 507/407k vs. EPS-Carry video 😊

@josephcarr2742 10 ай бұрын

What size dot would be good for 25 to 50 yrs. ?

@Oblivionsurveyor 7 ай бұрын

I think they should make it more clear the EPS carry comes with everything you need to mount it to your gun. The 507k 407k DO NOT and this is the main reason i went with the enclosed emitter design is i don't have to go out and buy extra stuff to mount it AND its a enclosed emitter which makes it superior to the open emitter's mentioned earlier.

@skydivekrazy76 5 ай бұрын

Fog matters in cold environments. ESPECIALLY because body carry amplifies the issue. Going quickly from a warm next to body womb into the cold is bound to cause issues.

@dankozak1227 29 күн бұрын

Do you use goon tape on your handle or is that just regular hockey tape?

@lawlinyourface 10 ай бұрын

Why did you not get a green? I didn’t because I stumbled upon mine bought it sighted it and luckily it was everything I wanted but the green. In theory I’ll never find out why I should have bought green as it’s for shooting in daylight indoors so the red on max does the trick when the light overpowers (barely)

@marcdelong2654 5 ай бұрын

Does this bolt right up to your 365 with no plate?

@mrfrm1975 11 ай бұрын

chips and queso for the win.

@rabbivj Жыл бұрын

Didn’t you run it with Murph’s class? I run the regular eps on my f-series. I like it!

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

I did!

@rabbivj Жыл бұрын

@@tessahbooth yeah I remember you were messing with it in class. Glad you like it on the 365! I need to mess with my macro setup. I changed mine up based on what John runs. Macro lower and xl upper, my macro upper is sitting on my mischief machine omega lower

@jasonparent7967 6 ай бұрын

Love the EPS carry. Hate the solar gimmick. Just one more thing to go wrong, it is basically useless and just adds cost . As you noted i prefer the 6moa dot as well for CCW and snagged one for under $300 during Black Friday. My favourite carry optic hands down.

3 ай бұрын

I think I'd break the solar panel I smack my carry on stuff all the time and that solar would have to be super durable lolz

@jeffshermer9361 Жыл бұрын

People say that if a light is behind you then the light's reflection can drown out your red dot. Is that true?

@jafo1701 Жыл бұрын

Does this have same footprint as the 407k/507k? So can I just direct mount this to my Specte Comp or do I need some sort of adaptor.

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

Same footprint!

@jafo1701 Жыл бұрын

@@tessahbooth thanks...I prefer a enclosed emitter so I'll look into this one.

@motorcitymadman146 5 ай бұрын

Question in your holstering apendix , you have no belt on, what holds the holster in place.

@tessahbooth 5 ай бұрын

I’m wearing the PHLster Enigma 👍

@motorcitymadman146 5 ай бұрын

@@tessahbooth Cool! Thank you.

@jchack88 Жыл бұрын

Interesting note your Sig Romeo experience seems less than optimal, yet my Holosun vs Romeo experience is the opposite. My Sig battery yet to fail six months in, the Holosun however has eaten two batteries already in the same time period.

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

What batteries are you using?

@AARonGoneWrong 8 ай бұрын

Cheetoh dust defeater.

@theandybee3050 Жыл бұрын

What features does the 6 moa not have?

@Two_Names Жыл бұрын

Apparently other reticle options and solar panel.

@LucidStrike Жыл бұрын

I was even tempted to swap from my 509t, despite needing to mill a different footprint, until I remembered I can just get taller backup irons. 😅

@karsenfochtman7820 Жыл бұрын

How do you like the 509T?

@frankcosta4662 Жыл бұрын

Got my eps carry/mrs green dot for $390👍🏻

@rhodycars6058 Ай бұрын

Why would you ever spend money on the MRS reticle if you don’t use it and only use the 2moa dot?

@Prahatech Ай бұрын

Your linktree URL to Big Texrdinance doesnt work

@tessahbooth Ай бұрын

What specifically isn't working? Is the link broken or is the code not working on a particular item?

@MrMrbrianbechtel Жыл бұрын

Why is the Romeo Zero bad?

@blegi1245 Жыл бұрын

It broke while she was taking a class.

@foxman907 10 ай бұрын

I got mine from Amazon for 399.99.

@scogator Жыл бұрын

1:59 dangerous curves a head. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@uneCENT 4 ай бұрын

I moved to the RMRcc because of the lack of reliability the holosun provides. Its cost is definitely the most attractive thing and on paper it looks good but in practice, just too many issues to trust my life with it on an edc.

@albertouba 9 ай бұрын

“Sorry, this coupon is not applicable to selected products.” I received this message when a use your coupon ☹️

@tessahbooth 9 ай бұрын

It doesn't apply to everything on the website, so it's possible that you have something in your cart that doesn't apply, but it does apply to this optic.

@tessahbooth 9 ай бұрын

Oh! I just checked, and it looks like it's excluded from codes now because it's already on sale! Sometimes you can stack sales/coupons, but this must be excluded while it's on sale.

@0Snare0Affair0 Жыл бұрын

Cool review. PS: Sidecars are still relevant and work for a lot people, so stop not recommending them. K thank

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

I’ve offered very detailed reasons as to why I don’t recommend them 😅

@0Snare0Affair0 Жыл бұрын

@@tessahbooth I’ve seen. Coming from an influencer standpoint: ‘what works for some might not work for all’ is the attitude you should have, considering you are trying to put the best info out there. Neglecting a viable option of carrying with a spare mag(if wanted) or even with a TQ in the mag carrier is no bueno. Crazy you went on to even go back to previous videos on IG to just state the fact that you are against them. Options are there, it’s another good option that doesn’t work for YOU.

@0Snare0Affair0 Жыл бұрын

To aid my point: uncle mikes soft holsters, serpa style holsters, sticky holsters, etc. are amongst the things you should ‘not recommend’. Sidecar style holsters are an option that works for some, doesn’t for others, so to ‘not recommend’ they even try themselves is not ok.

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

@@0Snare0Affair0 I don't think you are completely grasping why I don't recommend them. It's not because I simply don't like them, or because "they didn't work for me" it's because I think the design is inherently suboptimal. By not recommending them, and having a detailed video as to why, hopefully I can cut out a season of concealment struggles and potential holster cracking issues. Viewers are welcome to watch the video and make their own personal choices, but based off of my experience helping several dozen people with their sidecar holsters, and having carried one for a year myself, I don't recommend them over the many other awesome options out there.

@0Snare0Affair0 Жыл бұрын

@@tessahbooth fair enough. A ton of people’s experiences differ, more than I think you realize. Again, it’s just no bueno to shut something out that works for a lot of people out there, that also probably watch your videos, who have carried sidecar style holsters way longer than a year. By ‘not recommending’ them, I get you think you may be saving people money, but it also works both ways. Say someone ends up liking a sidecar style holster over a regular holster and mag caddy, and they do so after already trying out what you recommended. It’s something you tell someone getting into concealed carrying: options. It’s another option that works for people, to which I’m sorry didn’t work for you, and the design(even though there are a ton of different designs of sidecars out there) is ‘suboptimal’ in your opinion.

@DocHolliday415 Жыл бұрын

EPS Carry needs an ACSS reticle.

@d3ltaohniner261 Жыл бұрын

No, it doesn't.

@dads2006gt Жыл бұрын

EPS carry MRS at Optics planet for 399

@666RitaRita 10 ай бұрын

cough , Romeo Zero

@cwolf8841 7 ай бұрын

I bought these sights based on reviews. I have now donated most of them to Ukraine. Lot of money for added bulk and not particularly useful. The best, clearest, fastest sights are Speed Sights. Save your money for ammo.

@philjohnson564 Жыл бұрын

Nice Video. More shots or your belly please.

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

Huh?

@DustinS. Жыл бұрын

Why the hate on the Romeo-Zero?! 🤣 I love Sig, but the romeo-zero is aptly named. Zero points. Flimsy body, bottom load battery, and poor button placement.

@litspeed7940 3 ай бұрын

Romeo zero could possibly be the worst optic I’ve ever seen!

@otterconnor942 19 күн бұрын

There's definitely worse

@jimmycapps7263 11 ай бұрын

If the battery has 50,000 hour life. Why change the battery every year? All channels say the same the , change the battery every year. I will go for at least 3 years and still two years under. If these optics really have that long then why not put it to the test? That would be a good video!

@tessahbooth 11 ай бұрын

The advertised battery life isn't necessarily the mileage the typical user will get out of it. Changing it once a year is cheap insurance for a carry gun :)

@jcbra4771 11 ай бұрын

achhaaaaaaa nice abs

@luciengutierrez431 Жыл бұрын

These optics cost as much as my new canik!

@The_Rob_D Жыл бұрын

$400+? Fuck that. Can get a 407k for half that

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

I have a hunch that you will enjoy next weeks video haha

@davidhall5078 10 ай бұрын

Your code doesn’t work for Big Tex on Holosun EPS!!

@tessahbooth 10 ай бұрын

Are you getting an error code when you put it in?

@peterreily1490 Жыл бұрын

If you change your batteries every year (4th of July for me and my safe), why bother with the solar gimmick. Let me elaborate. Take your batteries out and go try to use your Holosun outdoors in daylight. I’ll wait while you go “dammit you’re right it’s a gimmick”. That being said I have an astigmatism so these fancy pants reticles mean nothing to me. A simple dot, no solar “gimme more money” gimmick from Holosun China… keep it simple. Save some cash. Don’t be stupid. Give communists less American cash. I’m on board with EPS and EPS carry. To me the extra reticles are worthless. The solar gimmick is worthless to anyone. Change your batteries on everything once a year. Done. I’d say “keep it simple stupid” but then I’d be worried another marine would sta…. STOP eating my crayons! Ugh, I live near quantico. I have to put my crayons in the safe too.

@artifacthunter1472 Жыл бұрын

How about you stop supporting that Chinese company!!

@tessahbooth Жыл бұрын

I genuinely don’t understand why purchasing items not made in the US is such a big issue for some people, when those same people are buying their food, shirts, pants, shoes, socks, underwear, vehicles, and furniture from other than US based company’s.

@litspeed7940 3 ай бұрын

EPS carry at freedom gorilla is $429. $460-$470 is the highest I’ve heard

@tessahbooth 3 ай бұрын

Anytime I create videos like this I go strictly off of MSRP in order to be the most consistent. Rarely are items actually priced that high at retailers, but it provides me with the most fair comparison.